Shopping for a Wide band

What should I look for?
Just need it for my drag car and would like to record a pass and replay it.....

What are my options? LM-1?

I will be following this post... within the next few days it sounds like I will be using the delete knock sensor mod... finally.

I like the dynojet wideband commander. Comes with a gauge you mount in the car and not as complex as a LM-1.

I as well have a DynoJet WB. It has also has a USB connection, and, can data log based on trigger point set_up. I do like the analog gage feature. It is great for low speed cruzing since you cannot always run data logs and spend more time disecting the data for solutions. I understand it is more expensive, but, the analog gage helps. I also have an autometer afr gage next to it on the "A" pillar. Also, the autometer gage is wired to DTDP toggle switch for easy selection of Rt/ Left O2 sensor input while driving (an idea from LJ). The WB afr gage works well with the idiot light colors of the autometer afr gage, so, you can get an idea of where each bank is running. B.

Dual sensors, data logging (no extra "rpm" module needed), with "alarm" and ability to interlock to a relay (e.g. - shut down nitrous on lean A/F ratio). It's on my wish list.... but still a bit on the expensive side at $720:

http://www.altronicsinc.com/pages/o2alert.html

http://www.altronicsinc.com/artwork/O2_ALERT_unit.jpg

i had a AEM UEGO in my last car, i liked it alot, anolog and digital out for logging and i nice gauge with a electronic led anolog sweep and led numerical output

edit : http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67

I have a Dynojet Wideband Commander. I had the silver bezel changed out for a black one by autometer and it looks like it was a factory install. Analog guages are definitely best for a wideband. It smooths out the needle and gives you useful info as you drive. It logs rpm, throttle position, afr, and map(all the keys for tuning). It also has a programmable light on the guage that I use for a shift light. Only downfall is I had to buy an MSD tach adapter to get the rpm logging to work. :)

Dual sensors, data logging (no extra "rpm" module needed), with "alarm" and ability to interlock to a relay (e.g. - shut down nitrous on lean A/F ratio). It's on my wish list.... but still a bit on the expensive side at $720:

http://www.altronicsinc.com/pages/o2alert.html

http://www.altronicsinc.com/artwork/O2_ALERT_unit.jpg

Thats a really nice unit, but expensive for what I want to do.

I just need something for N/A drag car.......I want the simplest cheapest thing I can get before this weekend :D

deff get the AEM UEGO! its easy to use and is very high quality, the innovative wideband is a pile of crap! ive had nothing but problems with mine. i have the AEM in my SS and the innovative in my Z28, i want to smash the one in my Z28 with a hammer as i dont think it has ever given me a reading.

deff get the AEM UEGO! its easy to use and is very high quality, the innovative wideband is a pile of crap! ive had nothing but problems with mine. i have the AEM in my SS and the innovative in my Z28, i want to smash the one in my Z28 with a hammer as i dont think it has ever given me a reading.

Can I log data with that?

I don't give a crap about a gauge, its in a race car so I need to log the data and come back to look at it.

Can I log data with that?


i had a AEM UEGO in my last car, i liked it alot, anolog and digital out for logging and i nice gauge with a electronic led anolog sweep and led numerical output

edit : http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67

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Looks like just a gauge and sensor......How does it hook up/log etc. Tell me everything. I'm ready to spend my money. The local dealer can get it withing 2 days....so hurry up. I'm trying to run this weekend

when i logged with it it was through maft-pro and there software tunerrt-pro on a turbo talon, not sure about a lt1, how does everyone else log with a wideband, i am sure it is the same. is there a aux imput for your logging software

you should just pm injuneer and ask him, i am sure he knows and would love to help you mike

edit: the gauge is actually the controller in that unit, there is two outputs from the gauge meant to be used for logging, it also comes with the sensor and the harness

it has a little port, you can log with it. i believe it comes with the cable to log too!

yeah thats it, good price on it too. you will be happy with it

I can use this with leaded fuel right? I should have asked that first......

I guess it will work, just eat up sensors?

What about oxygenated fuel?

yeah the sensor should last for a while on a race car though. you will just have to change it every now and then. i remember reading about a sensor that is suposed to be better with lead but i am not sure if it is a wideband. again fred would be the person to ask about this.

that is a really good price though, i would be happy about that

I hope it works well with lead....or at least last me til I make a few good passes

The wide-band sensors work with leaded fuels, but they may not last very long. I've seen them crap out after 20 or 30 passes with C16.

The wide-band sensors work with leaded fuels, but they may not last very long. I've seen them crap out after 20 or 30 passes with C16.

well I coinsider 20 passes reasonable I guess......I think I should have it running good by then

They don't always fail that fast, but its a possibility.

I have a Dynojet Wideband Commander. I had the silver bezel changed out for a black one by autometer and it looks like it was a factory install. Hooking up my DJ WB commander as well this weekend. I assume you just ordered a black 2 1/16" bezel?

Only downfall is I had to buy an MSD tach adapter to get the rpm logging to work. :) why's that? I've tapped the tach line in the passenger side kick panel for my shift light and WBC... why the need for an adapter?

BTW, In addition to the output controlling a Nitrous hit, and the WBC doing internal data logging (for USB offloading later), I'm hooking up the 0-5v analog output to a switch for the AC Pressure input to the PCM for Autotap logging (figured I'd try a few projects at once).

Now if I can just find a way to feed my brake pressure sensor (via a hurst line loc solenoid port) and fuel pressure senders to the OEM PCM... (a 4 way switch on the AC Pressure line would work, but I'd like to log more than 1 at a time with AutoTap).

Well one of you wise guys tell me how you data logged with this AEM?

I ask myself why do I even listen to people sometimes......

I have a gauge and a GD sensor....I don't have a honda civic....I can't watch the gauge going down the track, WTF am I supposed to do with this POS?

Not designed for use with leaded fuels....:lol

great

I havn't looked at the AEM unit you mention, but if it has a 0-5v analog output you can feed it to the car's PCM input for AC Pressure and log it using AutoTap (or whatever scanning software you have that monitors that voltage).

Typically WB outputs for the guage is 0-5v analog, but some WB's have more than one output for this reason (to run a gauge AND logging... I doubt you can run them in series or parallel from the WB). the really trick WB's have internal memory for logging (like the DynoJet WB Commander) AND and output for USB dynoload after the fact, or streaming data DURING the run (nice to have options) with a few analog lines for say TPS, RPM, and MAP.

logging WB's typcially arn't the cheap ones.

I havn't looked at the AEM unit you mention, but if it has a 0-5v analog output you can feed it to the car's PCM input for AC Pressure and log it using AutoTap (or whatever scanning software you have that monitors that voltage).

Typically WB outputs for the guage is 0-5v analog, but some WB's have more than one output for this reason (to run a gauge AND logging... I doubt you can run them in series or parallel from the WB). the really trick WB's have internal memory for logging (like the DynoJet WB Commander) AND and output for USB dynoload after the fact, or streaming data DURING the run (nice to have options) with a few analog lines for say TPS, RPM, and MAP.

logging WB's typcially arn't the cheap ones.

I can log it with the DFI....I was just under the assumption this was a stand alone system... I guess I ASS uptted wrong....:lol:

No problem, pretty common on this board. :p

Glad to hear you had a logging system ready for it. :)

it has a little port, you can log with it. i believe it comes with the cable to log too!

Sorry but your wrong...It has a wire...a flying lead.......all it does is reads voltage. Will not log. Just gives a reading



I have descided to sell the AEM and get the New accel unit that is a simple plug and play to the DFI.......It logs, its does everything and very simple with everything I need included. It is a similar unit to the one injuneer posted. It cost quite a bit but I don't care.....

dude it has two wires, both made specifically for logging, one is anolog and one is digital. i have personally used it for logging on 3 different cars

read this page

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67

specifically this part

Ideal AFR monitoring tool for EFI and carbureted applications, and engine dynamometers
Does not oscillate AFR reading like narrow band sensors
No laptop required for monitoring!
Bosch sensor included
Accurate to 0.1 AFR
Reads in AFR or Lambda via a switch in back of gauge housing
24 Color-coded LED display lights provide immediate reference to engine’s air/fuel ratio (AFR) or Lambda ratio
Integrated three-digit display reveals AFR or Lambda in real time
User-programmable 0-5v analog output included for use with data loggers and virtually any engine management system
Serial data stream included for output of AFR (RS 232)

dude it has two wires, both made specifically for logging, one is anolog and one is digital. i have personally used it for logging on 3 different cars

read this page

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67

specifically this part

It does not come with any logging software or programs etc. I will have to log it though my DFI as a generic 0-5 volt sensor witch is not as accurate as the accel unit with the 7 wire sensors.

It does not come with a cable or DB9/ RS-232...it comes with a flying lead. You have to make the cable your self....and the only thing it outputs is a signal.....
White wire 0-5 volt output
Blue wire connects to pin #2 or a rs232 com port for hyper terminal data logging There is a switch on the back to select lambda or AFR

Not what I was looking for. The accel is the way to go for me...siply plug it in....select the desired AFR for map vs. rpm.....done...go run it. No gauge not extras...plug it in and go

ok. it always worked great for me, what is wrong with this though

I can log it with the DFI.

or what steve said, using the a/c input

ok. it always worked great for me, what is wrong with this though



or what steve said, using the a/c input

the DFI has a map...you put in the desired AFR and leave it alone......

If I did want to log it has the rpm etc in it...its just a real user friendly program. Plus I don't want a ricer gauge in my car

the DFI has a map...you put in the desired AFR and leave it alone......

If I did want to log it has the rpm etc in it...its just a real user friendly program. Plus I don't want a ricer gauge in my car

my maf-t-pro had a map as well, AFR tracking or something and i used this gauge with it and it worked great. sorry it was not what you wanted. if i had the money right now i would buy it off of you

They all say "not for leaded fuel"..... "leaded fuel will shorten life". AEM is using the sam Bosch sensor as everyone else. This is not an issue.

Is this the unit you bought:

Gauge-Type Wideband UEGO Controller FAQs...

A wideband UEGO sensor controller accurately monitors Air/Fuel ratios (AFR) during the tuning process to prevent a lean fuel mixture, which could lead to engine damage. AEM has combined its single-channel wideband UEGO controller and gauge display into one unit, uniting unsurpassed AFR accuracy and control with an easy-to-read interface. AEM’s Gauge-Type Wideband UEGO Controller features a digital LED display and sweeping LED “needle” that changes colors as AFR changes from rich to lean. The unit’s 52mm (2-1/16”) gauge housing fits in most gauge pods and can be remotely mounted virtually anywhere.

Ideal AFR monitoring tool for EFI and carbureted applications, and engine dynamometers
Does not oscillate AFR reading like narrow band sensors
No laptop required for monitoring!
Bosch sensor included
Accurate to 0.1 AFR
Reads in AFR or Lambda via a switch in back of gauge housing
24 Color-coded LED display lights provide immediate reference to engine’s air/fuel ratio (AFR) or Lambda ratio
Integrated three-digit display reveals AFR or Lambda in real time
User-programmable 0-5v analog output included for use with data loggers and virtually any engine management system
Serial data stream included for output of AFR (RS 232)

Sure look like a 0-5V signal you could send to your DFI. Every writeup I looked at indicates it produces a signal for data logging.

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Sure look like a 0-5V signal you could send to your DFI. Every writeup I looked at indicates it produces a signal for data logging.

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Thats the one fred......yes it does have the signal to datalog but I was looking for more of a stand along type deal. And I don't know how to hook it to the DFI without the converter box.

Hooking up my DJ WB commander as well this weekend. I assume you just ordered a black 2 1/16" bezel?

why's that? I've tapped the tach line in the passenger side kick panel for my shift light and WBC... why the need for an adapter?

BTW, In addition to the output controlling a Nitrous hit, and the WBC doing internal data logging (for USB offloading later), I'm hooking up the 0-5v analog output to a switch for the AC Pressure input to the PCM for Autotap logging (figured I'd try a few projects at once).

Now if I can just find a way to feed my brake pressure sensor (via a hurst line loc solenoid port) and fuel pressure senders to the OEM PCM... (a 4 way switch on the AC Pressure line would work, but I'd like to log more than 1 at a time with AutoTap).

I sent the guage to Autometer and had them install the black bezel. I had to buy an MSD tach adapter because the tach signal on my car would not work after I got above about 4000 rpm. Could be the difference in year models. Mine is a 97 OBD 2.

I sent the guage to Autometer and had them install the black bezel. I had to buy an MSD tach adapter because the tach signal on my car would not work after I got above about 4000 rpm. Could be the difference in year models. Mine is a 97 OBD 2.

Nuts... I'm a 97 OBDII as well. :)

I tapped into the white tach line in the passenger kick panel (same place I tapped for my shift light as well... one clean crimp/solder/heatshrink joint :)).

I'm hoping that tapping the tach line going FROM the pcm to the gauges would avoid messing with the signal the PCM uses as an input... we'll see (I'm gonna do some logging tomorrow to check I hooked it up right :)).

Nuts... I'm a 97 OBDII as well. :)

I tapped into the white tach line in the passenger kick panel (same place I tapped for my shift light as well... one clean crimp/solder/heatshrink joint :)).

I'm hoping that tapping the tach line going FROM the pcm to the gauges would avoid messing with the signal the PCM uses as an input... we'll see (I'm gonna do some logging tomorrow to check I hooked it up right :)).

Yep that is the line I tapped into. I tried the tach output from my MSD BTM. I also tried tapping into one of the injector wires. Every source I tried still required the MSD tach adaptor to work above 4000rpm. Its about $50 dollars on summit. I love the programmable light on the guage. It can be used for lean condition and rpm and a mixture of the two. I put two bungs in the exhaust so I could easily move the sensor from one bank to the other. Now that I know both banks run within .2 AFR of each other I just leave it in the left bank of the exhaust. I can log AFR, RPM, MAP, and Throttle Position all on the same graph so it makes tuning a breeze. :)

Yep that is the line I tapped into. I tried the tach output from my MSD BTM.
Ahhh... I don't use an MSD... just the PCM, a AC Delco Opti (MSD Pro Billet wouldn't rev past 5000 rpms :/) and a MSD coil. I have a LTCC ready to install as well, but I want to get everything tuned up right before I add that to the mix. I think I recall someone saying something about their shiftlight having the same issue with an MSD box and the tach line, but they used the same fix.


I love the programmable light on the guage. It can be used for lean condition and rpm and a mixture of the two. Yeah, I've been playing with the software/demos and really like that feature... I even considered putting a relay inline to the bulb and using it to power a buzzer/dinger for an audible signal.

I was considering using it as a "lugging" alarm. I can scanning for MAP/RPM combos that cause knock and use those parameters to trigger the "downshift" light... maybe even put the "skip shift" light in the relay loop as well (it doesn't do anything else now). With a large cam in 6th gear, lugging at under 2000 rpms is bad for knock.. but I still may be able to get it out.

I put two bungs in the exhaust so I could easily move the sensor from one bank to the other. Now that I know both banks run within .2 AFR of each other I just leave it in the left bank of the exhaust. I can log AFR, RPM, MAP, and Throttle Position all on the same graph so it makes tuning a breeze. :)

Very cool idea. I welded the bung a few inches in front of the CAT, right after the y-pipe collector. I have an extra Bank 1 bung available (from relocating the O2 sensor bung from where AS&M put it... it barely fits with a Canton pan) but I could weld another bung into Bank 2 if I can't get the bank split worked out.