Bob talks about turbo 4 banger for 5th Gen and pricing

See here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3269

The sad thing is, it would still be faster than a V6 Mustang.

Good to hear Lutz confirm that the DI 3.6L will be the only V6 available.

:shrug:

i guess someone at gm missed the whole "it was too expensive the last time" cry.


i really am not intrested in an automatic ass warmer, or fancy trinket type interior, why the hell am i going to have someone try to force them on me?

sounds like gm is conceding a HUGE share of the market to ford for this car, and in doing so is going to drive up the per-unit price of a new camaro to where most of us cant afford it.

MESSAGE TO GM: HEY DUMBSAS! YOU CANT SELL IT TO ME IF I CANT AFFORD IT! YOU GOT HAMMERED BY A LESS EXPENSIVE CAR THE LAST TIME WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK IT WONT HAPPEN THIS TIME?

ugh...this is gonna get blown WAY out of proportion.

What's not to like about this? There'll be an turbo 4, a V6 and a V8! The bigger the engine range the bigger the demographic and more buyers there'll be.

Gas is never going to get cheaper so why be stubborn and not offer a 4 cylinder. It's not like the Camaro has never had a 4 cylinder engine in its range!

WAY TO GO GM :)

Now, the bit about the 'premium pricing' taht has me worried!!! :cry:

It's kind of a foriegn car policy...make your base car, decently equipped, and price it a little over the competition.
I just hope the "premium" isn't too premium, considering fuel prices and inflation today.
It'd be better to take less profit, starting out, and secure a foothold in the market again.
I think they'd sell a bunch of turbo-4 Camaro's right now!...TDi deisel and Gas.
I might consider a turbo-6 myself...;)

MESSAGE TO GM: HEY DUMBSAS! YOU CANT SELL IT TO ME IF I CANT AFFORD IT!

Which model were you planning to buy (V8 I'm guessing) and how much were you expecting to pay for it?

If you say "top available V8" and "less than $25,000" together in the same sentence you are dismissed. :)

I think 32k for the LS3 Camaro would be a fair price. I hope they offer somthing in the 450+HP range for 36k. If I buy a new Camaro which is what I have been planning it will be a pleasure only car and I want it to have big power. I had the opportunity to drive a 2008 Shelby GT 500 over the weekend and I will say power wise it felt real good. And I want that in my new Camaro. If I have to swap in a cam and header to reach that goal I guess so be it.

Why do I have a feeling you won't get anything good for less than 35k?

Premium priced???

in other words...more expensive than mustang? again?

I think 32k for the LS3 Camaro would be a fair price. I hope they offer somthing in the 450+HP range for 36k. If I buy a new Camaro which is what I have been planning it will be a pleasure only car and I want it to have big power. I had the opportunity to drive a 2008 Shelby GT 500 over the weekend and I will say power wise it felt real good. And I want that in my new Camaro. If I have to swap in a cam and header to reach that goal I guess so be it.

I really hope they give you a lot more than 450hp for your extra $4k, considering the LS3 puts out 430hp. But hey, if you pay me $4k I'll install a set of long tube headers for you.;)

Which model were you planning to buy (V8 I'm guessing) and how much were you expecting to pay for it?

If you say "top available V8" and "less than $25,000" together in the same sentence you are dismissed. :)

Current base MSRP for the top Mustang GT is $27,260. I'm sure that will go up some, but if that WAS the price, i'd expect base MSRP to be no more than $27,760-28,260 for the Camaro.

[QUOTE=jerminator96;5256765]I really hope they give you a lot more than 450hp for your extra $4k, considering the LS3 puts out 430hp. But hey, if you pay me $4k I'll install a set of long tube headers for you.;)[/QUOTE

Look at what the Charger R/T cost with 340hp 31k-36k and then the SRT 8 with 425hp I think they start around 36k and go north of 40k. I hope you are right that for Mid 30k we can get north of 450hp. But if not the guys on the Vette. forums are putting out close to 500rwhp with there LS3 cars with a few mods.

It's kind of a big car perceptually for a turbo 4. The last "4" the Camaro had was the 2.5L Iron Duke.

I think it would be a great idea--such that I'd be more likely to buy it moreso than a N/A V6.

Now if they'd just mention my favorite engine word, "diesel," somewhere in the lineup--I'd probably get a boner...

Current base MSRP for the top Mustang GT is $27,260. I'm sure that will go up some, but if that WAS the price, i'd expect base MSRP to be no more than $27,760-28,260 for the Camaro.

First off I agree with your concept.. its just the numbers are a bit off...

The top (deluxe)Mustang GT includes leather and options...

The base Mustang GT MSRP's for $26,825.00 according to ford.com

I expect the base Camaro V8 to be in the range of $26,825.00-$29,507.00 (up to 10% increase).

We knew it was gunna be more expensive, but but how much will it be.
This 4 cyl has me worried. Its not about having teh 4cyl but more of the overall image of the car. Just like having a Camaro thats 2 tons, just like having a Camaro that is FWD, it just hurts the car's overall attuitude.

Challenger is a big (and I have now walked around and sat in one) steel turd, and it comes with a base V6, no turbo 4 from the Caliber. Why can they do it, why can Ford do it with a V6/V8, and GM has to use a 4cyl as a base engine?

Doesnt make sense. Is Zeta built for a 4cyl? What will be the cost to certify this turbo engine? What will be the cost to reengineer the engine cradle to fit the smaller 4cyl, a car designed to handle wide V6's and V8's?

Now if they'd just mention my favorite engine word, "diesel," somewhere in the lineup--I'd probably get a boner...


I cracked up when i read this. I had to control my laughter at work. :lol::burnout:

How do you think that the price of this will compare to the sky? This version of the sky (red line) is 30,405. Would the Camaro 4 banger be cheaper and why?

Its gonna sell like **** after the initial run which will without a doubt be snatched up. As much as I love camaro, I can see this being a huge flop, ala GTO.

First off I agree with your concept.. its just the numbers are a bit off...

The top (deluxe)Mustang GT includes leather and options...

The base Mustang GT MSRP's for $26,825.00 according to ford.com

I expect the base Camaro V8 to be in the range of $26,825.00-$29,507.00 (up to 10% increase).

10% is too much. %5 would be a much more realistic number IMO and should be the price GM shoots for as a MAXMIUM, as even 5% is over a $1000 difference.

Turbo 4 isn't going to get any better gas mileage then a DI V6, sorry, whats the point?
Solstice=17/26mpg with turbo 4 and WAY less weight and 260HP
Camaro LS1=17/26mpg with more weight and ~325HP
5th gen=heavy+turbo 4=hp/mpg joke

Turbo 4 isn't going to get any better gas mileage then a DI V6, sorry, whats the point?
Solstice=17/26mpg with turbo 4 and WAY less weight and 260HP
Camaro LS1=17/26mpg with more weight and ~325HP
5th gen=heavy+turbo 4=hp/mpg joke

is that 17/26 on the camaro by todays EPA MPG standards, or is it the old standard?

Challenger is a big (and I have now walked around and sat in one) steel turd, and it comes with a base V6, no turbo 4 from the Caliber. Why can they do it, why can Ford do it with a V6/V8, and GM has to use a 4cyl as a base engine?



Well, Chrysler is in the ****ter anyways. Ford isn't really riding a wave of success. GM is by far the most financially stable company of the three, and this decision to me reflects why. Smart fiscal planning, appealing to a wider range of buyers, and really thinking hard about what will give the product the best chance of success. A turbo four, much as I personally detest the idea is smart thinking.

Only time will tell.Petroleum has a choke hold on the nation anyway, and I don't expect it to level out anytime soon, if ever. Don't be afraid of change too much folks. Its not the GM Probe.

is that 17/26 on the camaro by todays EPA MPG standards, or is it the old standard?

best I can tell those are both converted to the "new" standards.
It was off the site that shows the converted mpg.

Either way I compared it to an 06 solstice so they would both be on the same standard.

Turbo 4 isn't going to get any better gas mileage then a DI V6, sorry, whats the point?
Solstice=17/26mpg with turbo 4 and WAY less weight and 260HP
Camaro LS1=17/26mpg with more weight and ~325HP
5th gen=heavy+turbo 4=hp/mpg joke

Car and Driver says that the 08 Cobalt SS with the same turbo 2.0 (the LNF) and a different 5 speed gets 22/30. Maybe it’s the gearing or narrower tires, I don't imagine the Cobalt weighs much less than the Kappas (about 3000lbs).

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/sport_compacts/2008_chevrolet_cobalt_ss_first_drive_review

But I suspect that this comes from someone at GM proposing the Traverse's 260hp 3.6 v6 and someone else says, lets use the 260 hp LNF and to save some weight and improve the balance.

It would be amusing if their was a I4 Camaro that was faster than a V6 Mustang to go with the V6 Camaro that should be faster than the ‘08 Mustang GT (too bad about the mid '09 upgrade:(). I imagine that the V6 Challenger also be slower than an LNF powered Camaro.

If the Cobalt SS starts at near 23k with the same motor and is a much cheaper car, how much will the base I4 Camaro cost? I hope I am surprised by the pricing but it doesn't seem to be good. Having the Camaro premium priced next to the Mustang makes me nervous. It is going to place itself in niche-coupe territory if the price difference is to high. It seems to be more in 350Z territory, and that only sells 30-40k units per year. I am very nervous for the future of the Camaro.

Pricing is a big thing too. The turbo 4 is the top engine in 4 cars, two of which start around 30k, the other two at 23k.

If the Cobalt SS starts at near 23k with the same motor and is a much cheaper car, how much will the base I4 Camaro cost? I hope I am surprised by the pricing but it doesn't seem to be good. Having the Camaro premium priced next to the Mustang makes me nervous. It is going to place itself in niche-coupe territory if the price difference is to high. It seems to be more in 350Z territory, and that only sells 30-40k units per year. I am very nervous for the future of the Camaro.

I'm sure part of the is due to how ugly the 350Z is.

I don't think that an LNF powered Camaro is in the works, I just brought up the 08 Cobalt SS to point out that there could a mileage advantage.

From looking at the price difference between cars with the different optional engines and the other stuff that generally come bundled with them I can only conclude that there is not much difference in the manufacturers' cost. On on the G8 the optional engine (L76) looks like it might cost less than the base engine (LY7).