Cobalt SS Turbocharged info now on chevrolet.com

Looks like a really nice package... Anyone want to guess the price?


http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/ssturbocharged/

Turbocharged, direct-injected, dual overhead cam, ECOTEC 260–hp 2.0L I–4 engine with Variable Valve Timing (VVT) is the most powerful in its class(1)
High–flow performance induction and exhaust
Five–speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
"Zero–Lift" shifting
Available limited slip differential

Uses the same steering wheel as the Sky. Interesting that it shows a pillar mounted boost gauge where as the boost gauge is on the DIC in the Sky & Solstice.

Boost game is in the same spot as it was on the Supercharged cobalt. Steering wheel has been there snice 07.

But um; Zero lift shifting?

Wonder what kind of fuel economy it'll get.

I also wonder if it might possibly be a flex fuel vehicle that could take E85? That would be awesome.

But um; Zero lift shifting?

I'm wondering what exactly that is, too. I'm sure it's some sort of consolation for the fact that you lose all your boost pressure when you lift to shift into the next gear.

Quick search of cobaltss.net revials that you dont have to lift the gas while shifting.

Zero lift shifting means that you keep it floored between shifts as when you push the clutch out the ECU drops the rev limiter/timing slightly in an attempt to keep the revs from going out of control and bouncing off the real rev limiter.

You can use it to help as a "launch control" as well. Kinda cool stuff.

FWIW the HHR SS is rated 29mpg highway - though Chevy's site still doesnt have information on the optional Posi or the rumored Brembo brake package... I assume the Cobalt SS with the DI turbo will get better mpg than the supercharged by a good margin.

Quick search of cobaltss.net revials that you dont have to lift the gas while shifting.

Probably drive-by-wire so it lifts for you.

I'm wondering what exactly that is, too. I'm sure it's some sort of consolation for the fact that you lose all your boost pressure when you lift to shift into the next gear.

There was a fair amount of discussion about zero lift shift when it was announced for the HHR SS.

It will be a sellectable function as part of the traction/stability controll. The system will allow the driver to keep WOT and the computer will regulate the throttle and fuel durring shifts to put the engine rpm at the best level for the next gear to keep boost from falling.

Does anyone else notice the page title is "Cobalt SS turbocharged: SPORT/CONVERTIBLE: Chevrolet" ????

:alert: Someone should fix that :alert:

2008 Cobalt
Engine EPA Estimated MPG city/hwy.
2.2L DOHC ECOTEC
5-speed manual transmission 24 city/33 highway
4-speed automatic transmission 22 city/31 highway
2.4L High-Output DOHC ECOTEC
5-speed manual transmission 22 city/32 highway
4-speed automatic transmission 22 city/31 highway

2008 HHR
ENGINE EPA Estimated MPG city/hwy.
ECOTEC 2.2L DOHC
HHR with five-speed manual transmission 21/30
HHR with four-speed automatic transmission 22/30
ECOTEC 2.4L DOHC
HHR with five-speed manual transmission 20/28
HHR with four-speed automatic transmission 22/28
ECOTEC Turbocharged, Direct-Injected 2.0L DOHC with Variable Valve Timing
HHR SS Turbocharged with five-speed manual transmission 21/29
HHR SS Turbocharged with four-speed automatic transmission 19/28


So maybe 23/31?

The "build your pontiac" G8 is also up.

Cobalt SS will start at under 23k.

The base price is $22,335+660 destinaton. Estimated fuel economy is 22/30.

The base price is $22,335+660 destinaton. Estimated fuel economy is 22/30.

I'm a little dissappointed if that is the case... That's as much as the HHR SS... Unless there's a lot more content in the Cobalt SS, I don't see why it shouldn't be at least a couple thousand less than the HHR SS...

The system will allow the driver to keep WOT and the computer will regulate the throttle and fuel durring shifts to put the engine rpm at the best level for the next gear to keep boost from falling.

On a lot of new cars, the revs tend to 'hang' inbetween shifts on a manual transmission (due to emissions) ... maybe this is a way of repackaging a drawback into a feature :D

I'm interested to see what one of these can do with a bigger turbo and some tuning. I got a look at a Sky Redline yesterday, and the turbo is TINY.

I'm interested to see what one of these can do with a bigger turbo and some tuning. I got a look at a Sky Redline yesterday, and the turbo is TINY.

The Ecotec block is reportedly good to 800+hp... not sure about the rest of the parts....

Small turbos spool quickly. :)

Cobaltss.net has a nice read on it. I might have to see about trading in my SS/SC for one.

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100035

I wouldn't mind getting one eventually if there was going to be a sedan version.

Pretty sad that Gm still offers a 4 speed auto while others offer 5, 6, or 7 speed autos.

I wouldn't mind getting one eventually if there was going to be a sedan version.

"The 2008 Cobalt SS coupe will start at $22,995. The Turbo Cobalt SS Sedan will be available as a 2009 year model."

From the link I posted.

"The 2008 Cobalt SS coupe will start at $22,995. The Turbo Cobalt SS Sedan will be available as a 2009 year model."

From the link I posted.

Wow, don't know how I missed that. Seeing an auto in the car would be nice so my gf could drive the car, she doesn't like manuals. Thats why I'm making my mustang a manual.:D

Pretty sad that Gm still offers a 4 speed auto while others offer 5, 6, or 7 speed autos.Meh. I agree it's be nice to have more (and they will, as witnessed by the upcoming 6 speed auto Malibu 2.4).

But keep in mind that the entire Scion lineup comes with either a 5 speed manual or 4 speed auto.

There are others, as well.

:)

Too broad a torque curve for a trans like that really..

Too broad a torque curve for a trans like that really..

There is no such thing as too broad a torque curve! :cool:

For a trans like what?

5-6-7 spd. They work better for keeping an engine tight in its power band.

And the Scion brand's main performance getter right now is a 1.8L with a optional centrifugal supercharger.

It's weaksauce beyond compare.

5-6-7 spd. They work better for keeping an engine tight in its power band.

Technically, the actual number of ratios is irrelevant. It's the spacing of the ratios and their relationship to the final drive ratio that helps keep an engine in the power band. But that's just nitpicking. :)

I (and lots of other people around here) drive a car with lots of torque over a wide RPM range and six gear ratios, and I would never say that the engine and transmission are mismatched. A broad torque curve gives you options. Having lots of gear ratios to choose gives you options. I like having options. :)

I wonder if it's going to be like the HHR SS where the power drops by almost 30hp when you with the automatic vs the manual? .

No auto in the Cobalt . The owner of CobaltSS.net was invited to drive them with alot of GM people on site to answer questions ....they said NO auto at all is planned for the CObalt SS , not even the sedan will have a auto available .

wow, just, wow. then.

for GM to not offer an auto means they are really only trying to sell to enthusiasts and manual-only people. as well as possibly working on CAFE if you can see that angle.

Really, GM just doesnt have a fwd auto tranny that can handle the horsepower or torque. Its been the weak link in fwd performance from GM since 1990.

wow, just, wow. then.

for GM to not offer an auto means they are really only trying to sell to enthusiasts and manual-only people. as well as possibly working on CAFE if you can see that angle.

The engineers at the press ride and drive said performance was the sole mission of this car , and boy did they deliver the goods this time . Its looking like this car is more 260 to the wheels , not the crank :cool:

Really, GM just doesnt have a fwd auto tranny that can handle the horsepower or torque. Its been the weak link in fwd performance from GM since 1990.

What about the trans in the Bonneville GXP (275hp), or the Grand Prix GXP/Impala SS/Monte Carlo SS (303hp)? It's only a four-speed, but it can definitely handle the torque. :)

What about the trans in the Bonneville GXP (275hp), or the Grand Prix GXP/Impala SS/Monte Carlo SS (303hp)? It's only a four-speed, but it can definitely handle the torque. :)
I thought those cars were subject to torque manament which cut back the engine to save the transmission.

Pretty sad that Gm still offers a 4 speed auto while others offer 5, 6, or 7 speed autos.

What other main line automaker has anything beyond a 5 speed auto in this car's price range? VW maybe but I am not sure. Toyota and Honda are using 5 speeds IIRC (and Toyota just switched to a 5 speed w/ the new Corolla).

I have trouble believing that no auto will be in the SS---after all the HHR SS has an auto. I like manuls but not in my rush hour commute.

I have trouble believing that no auto will be in the SS---after all the HHR SS has an auto. I like manuls but not in my rush hour commute.

They were quotes from GM engineers at the press event ....no auto for the coupe and no auto for the sedan either .

I thought those cars were subject to torque manament which cut back the engine to save the transmission.

True, but the w-bodies are a good 700 lbs heavier. L67 with 4T65e-HD swaps last into the 11s, because weight is stress.

the 6 speed is good because the 5 speed transaxle used in the SS only has a .70:1 fifth gear. A 6 speed could get a .50:1 gear like the T56 did to boost highway mileage. I have a feeling that will happen more often as we get closer to the CAFE 35mpg requirement.

Will the 4T65E physically fit in this chassis? There's no doubt the 4T80E is way too big.

This link here is stating that the 4door will have an auto as an option:

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92517

Can I get the Cobalt SS with an automatic transmission? What is the drive ratio?
The standard transmission is the high-performance, short-throw 5-speed manual. The drive ratio is 3.82:1.
The Cobalt SS Sedan will be available with a 4speed automatic transmission

This link here is stating that the 4door will have an auto as an option:

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92517


yeah I guess we'll have to wait to find out for sure......I just don't get the fact the HHR SS gets it---makes sense to certify trans/engine for more then one car

but what are the volumes they'll be produced in? obviously they'll be more cobalts than HHRs, so it seems like a step backwards.

wait and see games suck.

This link here is stating that the 4door will have an auto as an option:

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92517

That is a dealer hunch ....the chevy people at the press event , that really were the people that worked on the car including John Heinrecy said no auto for the Cobalt SS like in the HHR and stated the SS Cobalts mission was solely performance , not to satisfy the masses .