Camaro Pricing General Idea

Alright men, I did research today and here are my findings!!!!

I dropped my TA off to see if GM shop will replace cat conv. today. I walked home stopping in at the Pontiac dealer to see if the G8 had arrived.

They were freight to San Fran from Australia this month and 2 of the G8 GT 888 badge edition came in yesterday! I was the first to test drive it luckily! Holy ****.... it is damn nice for 30k.

It accelerated like a bullet!!!! Is it quicker than a LS1 TA? Yes it is man no matter what anyone saids!!! I have a 2001 WS6 with a near new 11,000 miles that I'm comparing to.

All the way! It will not disappoint. Rear will comfortably seat 3 adults with plenty of leg room!!!!! Along with keyless start ignition!!!! Traction control is super on this vehicle!!!!! I guarantee you will brake on a dime if you wanted to stop. The cockpit sits very comfortably and unlike the controls being on the door like the 4th Gen Fbodies, it is center set!!!


Hell, I wanted to trade my 2000 TA in for a 2010 Camaro, but may do it for this vehicle given that Chevy may do a killing on price when it comes out.

I also stopped by Dodge to ask about the Challenger which is coming out at this time as well. There is a long waiting list according to them... and guess what? They are tagging on $15,000 to the MSRP. They are idiots, especially when the vehicle is set to sell at $40k.

You want acceleration stock jet power and luxury, the G8 is it!

For those who want to complain that dealers will do MSRP out the door for the Camaro V8, you better think long and hard on this. You may get the V6 for MSRP but you won't get the V8 at sticker.

All in all men, Pontiac is not raping customers on their 361 horsepower sedan whatsoever. That's somewhat comforting to know! So if you can't go for that Camaro then, shoot for the G8 and you will be smiling to the bank!!!!!!! ;)

Mattttttttttttttttttttt

It accelerated like a bullet!!!! Is it quicker than a LS1 TA? Yes it is man no matter what anyone saids!!! I have a 2001 WS6 with a near new 11,000 miles that I'm comparing to.
You sure you're not just feeling the greater torque and fairly aggressive gearing combo? I don't see how it could really possibly be quicker than a well running LS1 Fbody. Even if the G8 is underrated and was producing a best-case 400hp, it weighs over 4000 lbs...

Who knows, the faster the better I guess.

Great news! What does the 888 badging look like?

That Camaro is "long awaited." The G8 is a "pleasant surprise."

You sure you're not just feeling the greater torque and fairly aggressive gearing combo? I don't see how it could really possibly be quicker than a well running LS1 Fbody. Even if the G8 is underrated and was producing a best-case 400hp, it weighs over 4000 lbs....

Doesn't the G8 only have 2.91 rear gears? hardly aggressive...unless the trans is more aggressive.

That's for the report Matt...that's good news, glad you liked it.

Yes I did feel the weight stability. The vehicle was an Automatic that had Elec Shift. I didn't try that Elect Shift. The G8 will come out with a manual transmission soon as I know. You probably can get more out of it then.

It's just my word, but you have to give this vehicle a roll when it hits your showroom and you will see and feel what I felt from the drive. The increase horse made up for the weight difference I believe.

The exaust was very contained.... with a better peformance setup, I believe you will even gain more torque from this beast of a drive. I like it best for the Active Fuel Management system.

Matt

You sure you're not just feeling the greater torque and fairly aggressive gearing combo? I don't see how it could really possibly be quicker than a well running LS1 Fbody. Even if the G8 is underrated and was producing a best-case 400hp, it weighs over 4000 lbs...

Who knows, the faster the better I guess.

Powerfreak, try the drive when it hits your dealership and you will feel the Torque power of this vehicle and see what I mean.

If Chevy tacks on anything close to 10,000 on the Camaro, I will definitely go with the G8

Matt

Doesn't the G8 only have 2.91 rear gears? hardly agressive...unless the trans is more aggressive.

That's for the report Matt...that's good news, glad you liked it.

Great news! What does the 888 badging look like?

That vehicle represents performance and Luxury.. thus, they kept the Badging really clean. It's in Italicize Gun Metal lettering with 888, right side passenger dash.

The vehicle is also equipped with 8 Airbags that I didn't mention.

Test drive man when it's at your dealership. One last note, I don't believe the the new Camaro interior will look as appealing as the G8s.

Matt

Got it.. here is the badging someone took.... not too sharp though:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2958.jpg

Powerfreak, try the drive when it hits your dealership and you will feel the Torque power of this vehicle and see what I mean.
Matt

I'm happy that it's faster than a WS6 and wasn't question you. I was commenting on a previous post regarding the G8's "more aggressive" gearing. I'm looking forward to taking one for a spin.

Any word on it there will be a G8 w/ LS3?

I understood you. Whatever the case, technology does improve and change, thus engine efficiency doe get better than that of 10 or 8 years ago. In saying so, I believe there are grounds for the LS2 or 3s to be much more better than that of the LS1s.

The salesman were taken out to the proving grounds months ago. There were told not to turn off Traction Control. The salesman stated to me no matter how hard they drove it..... Traction control held up to the hardest driving conditions through and through.

I question the engine to get a better understanding and he stated it had an LS2 in it. HMMMMMMMM I thought. That's odd for I don't know if he knew what he was speaking about.

I believe in a year or so, these sedan will go LS3 to correspond with the manufacturing of the Camaros and Vette engines.

Matt

I'm happy that it's faster than a WS6 and wasn't question you. I was commenting on a previous post regarding the G8's "more aggressive" gearing. I'm looking forward to taking one for a spin.

Any word on it there will be a G8 w/ LS3?

Ok the LS1 F-body never feels as fast as it is. I was sure my '97 Z with a few mods would take down a stock LS1 car as it felt much faster.... 3 months later I was driving a '99 SS. Unless you test drove a LS3 G8 GXP then I'd doubt the L76 G8 would take your '01 T/A, even if the SOTP meter says so. That’s good for you!

Pricing will be what it is. The Challenger is a more limited production vehicle than the Camaro. The 2010 Camaro will be more like the 2005 Mustang in terms of mark ups and supply/demand. I’m sure there will be many dealers charging mark-ups on the first Camaro’s they get. I’m sure the “I must have it first” crew will take it where the sun don’t shine and prop it up on eBay after they have had their 5k miles of fun and are on the next hot item. But for us the prices will fall as the supply catches up. GM plans to sell as many Camaro’s as people will buy so if you go in and order your 2010 V8 Camaro and it arrives several months after they are introduced or just wait a bit there is no doubt the price will be in line with the MSRP.

You are in Southern California and probably know what the deal is here.
I state the situation so other's will know where they stand when the Camaros come out.

"Heresay" sucks for it's not reality of the circumstances. G8s are limited and do have enthusiast, but don't have markups.

For second let us Heresay and play it out that GM ends up not wanting to Manfacture the vehicle after the 1st or second year..... what happens then?

Many of us who waited for the price drop for supply to catch up, does not happen, we would then be out. "The Have First" is not good but "The Have None" is not that great either.

The G8 is not a Pontiac guarantee production run either. They will be out if they don't sell.

Hell, I wanted to trade my 2000 TA in for a 2010 Camaro, but may do it for this vehicle given that Chevy may do a killing on price when it comes out.


If Chevy tacks on anything close to 10,000 on the Camaro, I will definitely go with the G8

Matt

Chevy won't be marking up the camaro, the manufacturer never does.. a few dealers will almost certainly have mark ups on it, but there will be plenty of dealers who will sell it for MSRP.. when the time comes i wouldnt be too worried about finding a camaro without markups

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2958.jpg

why the hell is "AIRBAG" still a styling cue? WTF? this rates up there with "ABS" on the center caps of pontiac wheels.

gee thanks for reminding me you included a FEDERALLY MANDATED safety feature why not include "SEATBELTS" on the dash as well?

Yah that kind of looks stupid... but I guess you can take it as a warning that there is something there which may pop you in the head. The G8 has 8 Airbags. You better watch out where it goes off!!!

I didn't notice if the positions are marked within the vehicle.

Remember, the Camaro Zeta platform was suppose to be built off of this G8. Since GM is cutting the G8 productin in Oshawa, where do you think the fate of the G8 or the Camaro will be? Questioning the fate of the G8 is good for that of the Camaro.

The G8s are coming from Australia....... Camaro test vehicles are coming from there as well. Does this tell you something? If I were to be GM, I would not even begin Oshawa plant and just have the Camaros shipped in from Sydney just like the G8s.




why the hell is "AIRBAG" still a styling cue? WTF? this rates up there with "ABS" on the center caps of pontiac wheels.

gee thanks for reminding me you included a FEDERALLY MANDATED safety feature why not include "SEATBELTS" on the dash as well?

For those who want to complain that dealers will do MSRP out the door for the Camaro V8, you better think long and hard on this. You may get the V6 for MSRP but you won't get the V8 at sticker.


that is not true i have a deposit at my dealer and im getting the v8 camaro for msrp

I'm not basing this on opinion. What do you think the Challenger Waiting list people thought of when they placed the deposits and signed up? Especially when the vehicle was suppose to MSRP at 40,000 and is now $55,000.

The Truth is, dealerships are there to make money and not throw it out the door.

Another Truth is that you don't know what is the going MSRP is for the V8. There are no set prices as of yet. If it's $42,000 will you still be purchasing it?

$55,000 for a Challenger? Hmm..... Common on.... only super freakers would pay for that.

Here is the G6 with the Hammerhead. It's quite attractive in person....

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2008/2008-Pontiac-G6-GXP-Rear-Angle-1280x960.jpg



that is not true i have a deposit at my dealer and im getting the v8 camaro for msrp

i have paper work from my dealer that says i am gaurenteed msrp so i am not paying a cent over it and my dealer said that my deposit is refundable or can be used on another car so if the msrp is close to the vette i will just buy a vette but the camaro will not cost close to the vette

I here you.... but just pointing out the facts of what's going on. I'm not here to burst your bubble. No one wants to be disappointed, including me. Let's play our cards right though!!!!

I'm sure you don't want to buy a Vette at a their current pricing either.. that's why we go for Camaros. That freakin cost is the factor of the wants and want of. If that was not the matter, we would be driving $10,000 Hyundais and be happy with it.

By the way, after driving the G8 last night, I was at the Chevy dealer as well. There lot was packed full of vehicles without a single customer... I didn't see a single on-lot salesman either!!!! They are hurt right now! Just once again proving they will try to make profit at every which way to make up for the revenue inefficiency.

i have paper work from my dealer that says i am gaurenteed msrp so i am not paying a cent over it and my dealer said that my deposit is refundable or can be used on another car so if the msrp is close to the vette i will just buy a vette but the camaro will not cost close to the vette

By the way, after driving the G8 last night, I was at the Chevy dealer as well. There lot was packed full of vehicles without a single customer... I didn't see a single on-lot salesman either!!!! They are hurt right now! Just once again proving they will try to make profit at every which way to make up for the revenue inefficiency.

:irk: Explain the Malibu, Silverado, etc...They're not 'hurt';) Maybe you wandered by during a lull?

That's great about the G8, though. We all heard it's an awesome car - and that's wonderful to hear that echoed!:thumb:

By the way, after driving the G8 last night, I was at the Chevy dealer as well. There lot was packed full of vehicles without a single customer... I didn't see a single on-lot salesman either!!!! They are hurt right now! Just once again proving they will try to make profit at every which way to make up for the revenue inefficiency.

Maybe they were closed :shrug:

I did checkout the Malibu yesterday and noticing how well it was packaged for $22,000 K.

Listen, I'm just giving you guys my finding summary and to not burst anyone's bubbles.

The Malibu and Silverado is not doing well here in California. Even if it was low tides when I came across the dealerships, they didn't have any Sales staff any where to be seen and it was a large dealership. I walked through a very large AutoSquare. Pontiac, Hummer, Volvo, Nissan, Chevy, Dodge, Acura, Mazda, Suzuki, Toyota, Saturn.

Mazda and Acura had the most Sales on hand... then Dodge. Pontiac was not very strong either.

Like what one of the guys on the pontiacg8.com said, we all heard good things about the G8 but it's good coming from a Consumer.

If GM replicateds the Camaro V8 pound for pound against the G8, we will have one fine Vehicle.

:irk: Explain the Malibu, Silverado, etc...They're not 'hurt';) Maybe you wandered by during a lull?

That's great about the G8, though. We all heard it's an awesome car - and that's wonderful to hear that echoed!:thumb:

:o:(:confused::cry: hahhahahaha.. that's some funny Statement :D It was only 6 pm man! hahahahahah!!!!!!!!

I think we will be spanked by the pricing!!!

If that's the case, get yourself a used 4th gen Fbody and throw an LS3 in it!

Maybe they were closed :shrug:

i no for a fact that dealers will rip off people n charge rediculous amounts over msrp
if you dont want to get ripped off and u have a deposit down you get it signed paper work saying you have msrp

as for the vettes you can get one thats on the lot cheap my aunt bought a vette that sticker was 50,000 n she got it for 38,000 bc we have been dealing with the dealer for 22 years and it was just sitting on the lot

By the way, after driving the G8 last night, I was at the Chevy dealer as well. There lot was packed full of vehicles without a single customer... I didn't see a single on-lot salesman either!!!! They are hurt right now! Just once again proving they will try to make profit at every which way to make up for the revenue inefficiency.

I think your logic is flawed. It has been my experience that when dealer's are hurting that it is a buyer's market, they will deeply discount the price just to move units. No different than any retail business, if sales are good, prices stay up, if sales are bad prices go down.
Clyde

If GM replicateds the Camaro V8 pound for pound against the G8, we will have one fine Vehicle.

Pound for pound?!?!?! Damn! ;) I don't think I want a 4000 lb Camaro!:lol:

anyways...it's cool that you're not setting yourself up for dissapointment as far as Camaro prices go...but seriously - I think you're bracing yourself for TOO much dissapointment.

The G8 is a Pontiac, which by nature, is generally a little more expensive than a Chevy counterpart. The Camaro is NOT gonna be limited production or whatnot...(not saying you said that, though). If a brand-spanking-new 1 of 888 G8 was NOT marked up...then I don't see an issue with the Camaro. :shrugh:

^And the Camaro will not be imported from Australia, that adds to the price tag too. I still think a base V-8 Camaro should be around 28-29K.

Dragoneye and Wildpaws,

I'm not referring to your typical vehicle, I'm referring to the Challengers and the Camaros. Granted the G8 is a very well packaged vehicle, it is not as hot as the Camaro and the Challenger.

On a vehicle that doesn't sell, dealership will lower the price to move, but on a hot one, they will markup to profit. Can we say a HOT vehicle is reference by a "Waiting List?"

I never in my wildlest dream think the Challenger would have a waiting list coming in at $40k plus.

Matt,
P.S. A 4000 lbs. Camaro you would even feel if it's 361 Horses driven. Weight is well displaced by acceleration power!

The Camaro is going to shadow the pricing of the Mustang very closely. Scott has pointed this out and stressed this for a long time. The Camaro may be a little higher but it will be a value packed with things like IRS and more HP than the Mustang offers.

The G8 also points out that GM is going to be aggressive on pricing. No one expected the G8 to come in as cheap as it has.

The Challanger from the start was expected to be an expensive car. If your suprised you have not been keeping up. It was clear from the start it was going to be expensive, very heavy and not as high a volume as the Camaro or Mustang. they will offer cheaper models but they will still be priced with the GT and SS Camaro. Why get a V6 Challanger when the entry level V8 Mustang or Camaro at about the same price?

Dealers will mark up the prices but they will last only for the first 6 months like the Mustang did as supply catches up with demand. At that point GM will help make the picing more competitive between dealers and they can't keep it high as others will under cut their price.

Keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader in all models. Even the new ZR-1 at $100,000 is a car that only car that cost $500,000 and up can compete with it. The Camaro will also be a value leader as this was a major factor the car was designed around. Things like B pillars and the lesser use of lighter metals all keep cost down to make this car a value and competitive with the Mustang.

Chevy also wants to keep the Volume up to help drive profits as Chevy also works to make profits on high volume car sales vs Cadillac who make more per unit but sells less cars.

Doesn't the G8 only have 2.91 rear gears? hardly aggressive...unless the trans is more aggressive.

The first gear in the A6 has some ridiculous ratio... 4.8:1 or something.

MatthewRox, please go back and edit the first post, removing ALL 35 EXCLAMATION POINTS, so that I can go back and read it without tearing my eyes out.

Jake Buddy! Come on now!!!!! You counted 35????!!! By the end of my work day, my eyes are torn out from viewing this screen all day! hahahahah Sorrry buddy!

2 more minutes until quitting time!!!!!!

Have a good weekend brother!!!

Vroooommmmm!!!!

Mattttttttttttttttttt
The first gear in the A6 has some ridiculous ratio... 4.8:1 or something.

MatthewRox, please go back and edit the first post, removing ALL 35 EXCLAMATION POINTS, so that I can go back and read it without tearing my eyes out.

The G8 was priced to sell and compete by the magazines prior to dealershipment. Why would you say it was priced too low?

Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?

Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.

Matthew

The Camaro is going to shadow the pricing of the Mustang very closely. Scott has pointed this out and stressed this for a long time. The Camaro may be a little higher but it will be a value packed with things like IRS and more HP than the Mustang offers.

The G8 also points out that GM is going to be aggressive on pricing. No one expected the G8 to come in as cheap as it has.

The Challanger from the start was expected to be an expensive car. If your suprised you have not been keeping up. It was clear from the start it was going to be expensive, very heavy and not as high a volume as the Camaro or Mustang. they will offer cheaper models but they will still be priced with the GT and SS Camaro. Why get a V6 Challanger when the entry level V8 Mustang or Camaro at about the same price?

Dealers will mark up the prices but they will last only for the first 6 months like the Mustang did as supply catches up with demand. At that point GM will help make the picing more competitive between dealers and they can't keep it high as others will under cut their price.

Keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader in all models. Even the new ZR-1 at $100,000 is a car that only car that cost $500,000 and up can compete with it. The Camaro will also be a value leader as this was a major factor the car was designed around. Things like B pillars and the lesser use of lighter metals all keep cost down to make this car a value and competitive with the Mustang.

Chevy also wants to keep the Volume up to help drive profits as Chevy also works to make profits on high volume car sales vs Cadillac who make more per unit but sells less cars.

i have paper work from my dealer that says i am gaurenteed msrp so i am not paying a cent over it and my dealer said that my deposit is refundable or can be used on another car so if the msrp is close to the vette i will just buy a vette but the camaro will not cost close to the vette

I was going to request the MSRP guarantee in writing as well and then I realized that its worthless. So you have it in writing that they won't charge you over MSRP, and you have a fully refundable deposit? If they decide they want to charge over MSRP they'll sell the car to someone else who will pay the markup and refund your money.

Dealers can do whatever they want

why the hell is "AIRBAG" still a styling cue? WTF? this rates up there with "ABS" on the center caps of pontiac wheels.

gee thanks for reminding me you included a FEDERALLY MANDATED safety feature why not include "SEATBELTS" on the dash as well?
Aim your bitter whining at the US Government, not GM. Embossing such warnings in the dash pad is meant to help prevent dimwit parents from placing an infant in front of an active airbag...

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/CPS/newtips/images/PDFs/CPSafetuTip6.pdf

"Look for warning labels on the visor and embossed letters on the dashboard"

I was going to request the MSRP guarantee in writing as well and then I realized that its worthless. So you have it in writing that they won't charge you over MSRP, and you have a fully refundable deposit? If they decide they want to charge over MSRP they'll sell the car to someone else who will pay the markup and refund your money.

Dealers can do whatever they want

but i no he wouldnt do something like that because my family has been dealing with him for 22 years

P.S. A 4000 lbs. Camaro you would even feel if it's 361 Horses driven. Weight is well displaced by acceleration power!

Can you explain this a bit, please?

Thanks.

Bob

PS....The seat of the pants is the world's biggest liar.

Ok ok I know I have been harping on CAD pricing...I just went to Pontiac dot com and saw the fully loaded GT goes for 32k MSRP...I think that is an amazing price for what you get...if the pricing is similar here in Toronto I will definitely get one for the wife! (Showed her the car on the site...she liked it!)

Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.

Dragoneye and Wildpaws,

I'm not referring to your typical vehicle, I'm referring to the Challengers and the Camaros. Granted the G8 is a very well packaged vehicle, it is not as hot as the Camaro and the Challenger.

On a vehicle that doesn't sell, dealership will lower the price to move, but on a hot one, they will markup to profit. Can we say a HOT vehicle is reference by a "Waiting List?"

I never in my wildlest dream think the Challenger would have a waiting list coming in at $40k plus.

Matt,
P.S. A 4000 lbs. Camaro you would even feel if it's 361 Horses driven. Weight is well displaced by acceleration power!

And I'm not saying you will find the new Camaro deeply discounted, what I'm saying is once you are beyond the intro period (3-6 months) that you should be able to find them below MSRP. If sales are poor in the car market as a whole, dealers tend to discount everything on the lot to some extent. Even the high demand cars like the Camaro will likely be. I've bought vehicles over the years that were in fairly high demand, but due to competition and stock situations at dealerships was able to get good to excellent pricing on several of them. I've seen Vettes go out at pretty discounted prices, when I bought my first Z/28 the dealer had several on hand and I got an extremely good deal as they wanted to move units rather than stubbornly try to maximize profit on each unit.
Clyde

Doesn't the G8 only have 2.91 rear gears? hardly aggressive...unless the trans is more aggressive.

That's for the report Matt...that's good news, glad you liked it.
As someone else stated the tranny is geared pretty good, 4.something first gear. In comparison the "performance" rear end you can get in the Vette w/ the same tranny is only 2.73s I believe. The 2.91 is supposedly pretty aggressive w/ that tranny.

I've found two differing sets of numbers for the G8. Edmunds has the following:

1st - 4.03
2nd - 2.36
3rd - 1.53
4th - 1.15
5th - 0.85
6th - 0.67

Rear - 2.92

And Autotropolis has this:

1st - 3.42
2nd - 2.21
3rd - 1.60
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.75
6th -

Rear - 2.92

It should be noted that the Edmunds Tranny Ratio numbers are identical to those listed for the A6 in the Corvette (though the Vette has a 2.56 rear gear).

Final drive ratios in each gear can be found by multiplying whatever gear you're in by the gear in the differential. For example, 1st gear using Edmund's numbers would be 2.56 * 4.03 = 10.32. However, in an automatic, that doesn't come close to telling the full story, as it does not at all account for the effects of the torque converter and how it is set up.

There's no doubt that the 361 HP moves ~4000 lbs pretty smartly, but unless it is significantly under-rated (possible, but doesn't seem too likely) I suspect its acceleration numbers will come in very similar to the LS1-equipped 2004 GTO, which had nearly the same power-to-weight ratio. A well-driven LS1 F-body should be more than a match for this car in pure acceleration (again, simple power-to-weight).

Hey buddy, we all understand that the G8 is a great car. There is a lot of enthusiasm all over right now about the car...so thanks for sharing your findings but there is no need to rag on the camaro or what "GM" is gonna do on pricing. We all like the new camaro, and no matter what you say about the G8, or how everyone is gonna get screwed on markups for the camaro, you most likely won't be able to persuade too many.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.

The G8 was priced to sell and compete by the magazines prior to dealershipment. Why would you say it was priced too low?

Despite the case, the shipment coming in is distributed among the dealer just like any other new model that is out, thus, many assume that a dealership will markup for ownership competition. I don't doubt this at all. You can't believe since a vehicle that is so anticipated, a dealership will just hand it out for the lowest MSRP price as possible. Would you? Would you if it was your dealership?

Remember, we are just bringing this to light to measure our future prospective of ownership and nothing more than that.

Matthew

I did not say it was too low.... Please read all the words!!!

I said it was a good value and priced less than most in the industry expected.

Second the dealers will do what they do as the MFG has no control over it. The MFG and only give a sticker price they suggest and that is it.

You the buyer control what the dealers ask in price as this is a free market controled by supply and demand.

I pointed out that the first 6 months while supplys are low the price will be high and in 6 months if they have a good start up at the factory the supply will catch up to increase supplies to the point the priced will become more competitive.

This it how it will be just as it was for the Mustang.

IF you want the first ones your going to have to pay for it.

As for the G8 prices it was the MFG price provided to the publications that prove to be exciting and is now backed up by the Pontiac web site.

Also your going to have to factor in the economy by next year also. How long demand stays up will depend on how many can afford a new car.

I suspect its acceleration numbers will come in very similar to the LS1-equipped 2004 GTO, which had nearly the same power-to-weight ratio. A well-driven LS1 F-body should be more than a match for this car in pure acceleration (again, simple power-to-weight).

No need to speculate. Some G8 times are already in: mid 13's at about 105, neck-and-neck with a Charger SRT8.

trapping 105..... by this logic it is quicker than an 04 gto, just off an 05-06,

I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph

I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.

No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k


No need to speculate. Some G8 times are already in: mid 13's at about 105, neck-and-neck with a Charger SRT8.

trapping 105..... by this logic it is quicker than an 04 gto, just off an 05-06,

I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph

I don't think this car will take off any, The GTO was a sales flop and this bird didn't get any marketing.

No I would be surprised if they sold 888 units.. j/k
But the GTO and the G8 have three VERY distinct differences.

1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)

I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!:cool: (< might even have to wear sunglasses! :D)

But the GTO and the G8 have three VERY distinct differences.

1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)

I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!:cool: (< might even have to wear sunglasses! :D)


A very accurate observation.

The real question is will 50k G8's be enough?

Too many just never really understood the GTO the GTO real sales problems were much more than just the styling. There were several factors in play.

The cheaper new Mustang and crazy markes up prices had more to do with it. Besides there were only around 15-18K imported a year. Sales were never expected to go over 20K from the start.

The GTO wss just a hole filler in a line up.

Can you get employee pricing or supplier discounts on the G8 right now?

trapping 105..... by this logic it is quicker than an 04 gto, just off an 05-06,

I just don't see it, I don't think these cars will be faster than 13.8 @ 99-100 mph

13.8 @ 99? That's a stock LT1 timeslip. Why would you expect a car with almost 100 more horsepower to trap that low?

It has more horsepower than an LS1 GTO, and less horsepower than an LS2 GTO. It's about 100 pounds heavier than a GTO, but with more advantageous gearing in 1st and 2nd. Why would you expect anything different?

I'm telling you, journalists have already raced these cars and come back with mid 13's @ 105. I'm betting that somebody somewhere will get a 13.0 @ 107 with a -2500 DA or something like that, and everyone will immediately jump to the conclusion that all G8 GTs should run like that under all conditions, or the driver sucks. :rolleyes:

I think you are right on the money with this speculation, and a find one at that too!!!! The G8 is a sibling of the Grand Prix GTP..... The Grand Prix GTP never had purchase incentives for it sold itself ( asked the salesman because I wanted one years ago).

I went to pickup my TA this past Saturday after GM replace the Cat and saw another person testing driving and hauling ass in a G8. I was a little jealous for it was not me hahahah!

Shall we say this vehicle is for the man who wants some acceleration power who has a family of 4 or 5?

Honestly man, how many times have you heard I sold my 4th Gen Fbody or 2 door sport to accomodate the growing family?

Matt

But the GTO and the G8 have three VERY distinct differences.

1) The G8 is a sedan, which will appeal to a broader consumer-base than the GTO did.
2) The G8 is VERY competitively priced AND equipped, unlike the GTO
3) GM won't make the allocating error they made with the GTO. (there weren't enough cars where the demand for them was high.)

I think the G8's sales future is going to be VERY bright!:cool: (< might even have to wear sunglasses! :D)

I don't have any doubts about that, but how long will it be a sellers market and how long will GM produce this vehicle? Worse case scenario is the seller markets on the vehicle until this discontinue the vehicle... say a Year just for the hell of it? This will justify seller marking up the price more if you want in...... knowing you better get it now or will lose out, you will have to pay the extra high markup for last of the breeds.

All of this is just a pricing scenario that could happen........


And I'm not saying you will find the new Camaro deeply discounted, what I'm saying is once you are beyond the intro period (3-6 months) that you should be able to find them below MSRP. If sales are poor in the car market as a whole, dealers tend to discount everything on the lot to some extent. Even the high demand cars like the Camaro will likely be. I've bought vehicles over the years that were in fairly high demand, but due to competition and stock situations at dealerships was able to get good to excellent pricing on several of them. I've seen Vettes go out at pretty discounted prices, when I bought my first Z/28 the dealer had several on hand and I got an extremely good deal as they wanted to move units rather than stubbornly try to maximize profit on each unit.
Clyde

No matter where it traps Jake, I don't think the majority of people purchasing this G8 is looking for a low time slip. They probably are looking for a nicer vehicle that has good get-up. The time specs just add to this vehicle's flavoring.

Your debate and my starting this thread reflects what could be instore for the Camaro engine.

Matt

13.8 @ 99? That's a stock LT1 timeslip. Why would you expect a car with almost 100 more horsepower to trap that low?
ne will immediately jump to the conclusion that all G8 GTs should run like that under all conditions, or the driver sucks. :rolleyes:

The images of the G8 looks alright but not as impressive until you see the vehicle in person and drive it. I wanted a brochure to take home to my wife, but they didn't even have a single one! Can you believe that? A vehicle is out before the brochure..... and you don't even have real images from their site except drawings.
I site the vehicle first before actually seeing it in person.

The cockpit is well laid with every...... here is the best part..... the seat is position perfectly so that you will see over the hood like it wasn't even there. Visual is very good on this vehicle. Your wife will appreciate the ease of view...... If I were to buy this vehicle, I would place an order on it and take the one off the lot.

Best Regards,
Matttttttt

Ok ok I know I have been harping on CAD pricing...I just went to Pontiac dot com and saw the fully loaded GT goes for 32k MSRP...I think that is an amazing price for what you get...if the pricing is similar here in Toronto I will definitely get one for the wife! (Showed her the car on the site...she liked it!)

Nice writeup...I wasn't even thinking about the G8...it looks darn good and 360 odd hp is nothing to sneeze at.

That would be nice... can you order :rolleyes: me one at that the dis price minus my trade in?

Can you get employee pricing or supplier discounts on the G8 right now?

I'm not a dealer.... I'm out to make the best selections of a new future vehicle purchase. That was unintelligent that you insinuate that. Even if I was a salesman, how would I make money wasting my time posting this ad? hahahah ;)

Like I said, no one would like to reference or hear bad news about the future Camaro, though no one in their right mind can state the outcome and the end product. If you were bright enough, you would be able to take my two cents to total up what may happen to the Camaro when it comes to pricing and engine based on the current manu vehicles.

I suggest you take 3 seconds and revisit the beginning of this thread and ponder. I will not bust your bubbles but will remind you a positive outcome is not due for every scenario in this world.

Suggest GM MSRP does not control dealer price.


Hey buddy, we all understand that the G8 is a great car. There is a lot of enthusiasm all over right now about the car...so thanks for sharing your findings but there is no need to rag on the camaro or what "GM" is gonna do on pricing. We all like the new camaro, and no matter what you say about the G8, or how everyone is gonna get screwed on markups for the camaro, you most likely won't be able to persuade too many.
Call me crazy, this may be a shot in the dark, but to me it really sounds like you may be a pontiac dealer and you really just want more people to push for this car. JMO. Either way, both cars are nice but no need to be negative towards either of them.

Here is a new owner from a different forum.. this is what he had to say so you can pretty understand what I'm saying:


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Re: Got mine
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 03:27:25 AM »

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Just picked up mine today one of the 888 looks and rides great Panther Black GT / Black interior with, Premium package. The pictures of these cars do not show how good they really look I was unsure when I put my deposit down on mine back in November so I could get one of the 888 lucky for me my dealer got a black one but when I saw it today I was set on getting it before I even drove it guess it was love at first sight .

I only have 30 miles on it so far but I love it I did what I never thought I would do I traded in my 04 GTO for it and I loved my GTO it has been a great car and I hope this one just as good more room and more power got to love it.

I'm happy that it's faster than a WS6 and wasn't question you. I was commenting on a previous post regarding the G8's "more aggressive" gearing. I'm looking forward to taking one for a spin.

Any word on it there will be a G8 w/ LS3?

No matter where it traps Jake, I don't think the majority of people purchasing this G8 is looking for a low time slip. They probably are looking for a nicer vehicle that has good get-up. The time specs just add to this vehicle's flavoring.
I was just responding to gr8fl red's unfounded expectations for this car's (lack of) performance.

Your debate and my starting this thread reflects what could be instore for the Camaro engine.
Oh? And what is that?

Here is a better review I like to share with you. The owner mentioned that the vehicle is not doing very well with MPG.....15? Ouch!!!! :(


Here's my own little review so far... some little quirks, but almost entirely good.

I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)

The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.

The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.

I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.

The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by knobs and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.

The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.

I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know

If the Camaro get's the same engine as the G8 is what I'm referring to.

The G8 is only hitting 15 mpg from one of the owner.....that's a little rough considering the 4th gen Fbodies obtain 18 or 19 I believe.I was just responding to gr8fl red's unfounded expectations for this car's (lack of) performance.


Oh? And what is that?

If the Camaro get's the same engine as the G8 is what I'm referring to.

The G8 is only hitting 15 mpg from one of the owner.....that's a little rough considering the 4th gen Fbodies obtain 18 or 19 I believe.
yeah, but that particular comment came from a guy driving a V6 model...which happens to come with a 5-speed, and...a V6. Not entirely the same deal, I'd think.

Also...if he's "breaking 95 and I didn't even realize it" often....I can see where the 15mpg comes from. :lol:

Here's my own little review so far... some little quirks, but almost entirely good.

I haven't found any negatives to the car yet. I also have panther black, I took it to get it washed today and it came out spotty, I got a little fussy about that so I had to go back and wipe it down by hand, it's all pretty again. (Not the car's fault, the lazy car washers.)

The only thing I was a little disappointed about was the fact that the stereo is this big LCD screen but there's no navigation. Not a big deal, just bugged me a little bit.

The gas milage isn't quite what I've been hoping for, it's been hovering a little above 15mpg. I'm thinking after I break it in a little it will improve.

I wasn't able to get a GT, the dealer had one but unfortunately it sold shortly before I came back the next day. I was iffy on the base model, thinking there wouldn't be enough power - was I wrong! This thing is quick! Coming down the highway to work I was breaking 95 and didn't even realize until I looked down at the red digital spedometer. Completely smooth, road scars and bumps are quickly absorbed by the suspension. My G8 came with Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance tires, and they do the job nicely.

The dual zone climate control is very nice, and works with the LCD for the stereo. The stereo can also be controlled by knobs and buttons on the steering wheel. You can change volume, stations, and input (FM, AM, CD, Aux.) There is an aux input for MP3 players. There's also a button on the steering wheel to change the display on the driver info center between the gauges. Readouts for the speedometer, gas milage, tire pressure, trip odometer and a few others. Above the stereo are two digital displays that show your battery status and oil temperature. The steering wheel has two other buttons that integrate with Onstar and allow handsfree dialing and phone calls.

The backseats are unusually roomy, there are two vents mounted on the rear of the center console to allow better airflow to those in the back. An arm rest folds down from between the two seats. Cupholders are in the door trays on each side. Driver and front passenger have two cup holders in the center console and one on each door tray.

I think I covered most of it, if you have any questions or I missed anything, please let me know

A significant portion of that review is not G8-specific. Most 2006+ GM cars do a lot of the stuff he said.

I'm skeptical of his performance impressions, after seeing that he's happy with the Goodyear RS-A tires.

I missed that V6 he was driving....... That V6 is currently very rare right now.. the majority shipped are V8 I believe. Guess Pontiac felt that can attracted more people to the big engine at this time.

But honestly, despite it be a V6, he should be getting better MPG than that of 15 miles..... imagine the V8 getting lower than that. We couldn't be pointing to Durango mileage now are we?

What Specs say compared to actuality is a big factor wouldn't you say?


yeah, but that particular comment came from a guy driving a V6 model...which happens to come with a 5-speed, and...a V6. Not entirely the same deal, I'd think.

Also...if he's "breaking 95 and I didn't even realize it" often....I can see where the 15mpg comes from. :lol:

But honestly, despite it be a V6, he should be getting better MPG than that of 15 miles..... imagine the V8 getting lower than that. We couldn't be pointing to Durango mileage now are we?

What Specs say compared to actuality is a big factor wouldn't you say?
True enough, I suppose.
but I'll still stand by this statement - it would explain the situation in full to me.

Also...if he's "breaking 95 and I didn't even realize it" often....I can see where the 15mpg comes from. :lol:

By the way, one of guy on that forum mentioned there was an aftermarket Procharger for this G8 already. I found that surprising for the first of these vehicles are out on the street just this week.

The best thing about this vehicle is that it looks better than a Beamer for that price range.

You know what, owning a used old vehicle is having a peace of mind where you park compared to owning a new one. Everyone wanting a $30,000 new Camaro will freak out where they parked and the dings they get from road rock chips.
A significant portion of that review is not G8-specific. Most 2006+ GM cars do a lot of the stuff he said.

I'm skeptical of his performance impressions, after seeing that he's happy with the Goodyear RS-A tires.