If the Coupe 60 goes into production, should it come here as.....

A GTO? A G8? Or a Buick?

Pontiac all the way. If the were to make it a buick they'd have to change the interior pretty appreciably to differentiate it from the G8, and i'm scared to death of what what happens when GMNA has to make an interior design for a stylish car.

G8 vs. GTO, doesn't matter much to me. If they wanted to make some volume why not have a G8 V6 model and an LS3 GTO model. After all, that's what the GTO originally was anyway, an option package on a regular production coupe.

The GXP badge is as big a joke as the SS badge was when it was on the malibu right now so i'd prefer the top coupe to not be G8 GXP. Realistically id buy it if it was called the pontiac lemon-crash-cart though, as long as it retained the holden/G8 interior.

G8 GT Coupe

I'd say G8 as well and have a V6 version. And call the range topper GTO instead of GXP.

Of course, that would put in into DIRECT competition with Camaro.

I see problems with each.

GTO: Unless it has a specificly more unique (and more aggressive perhaps) body than a G8, I could see this one getting ragged on just like the 2004-2006 model for appearance if it's just a G8 coupe named GTO.

G8: Logical and probably the easiest to justify from an investment perspective with the G8 sedan and ST already in place. But will a coupe version of an existing sedan make a big enough splash in the market to warrant it? And would it sell enough to justify?

Buick: This is a tough one to justify with a limited up-scale coupe market and typically older Buick audience. I'd love to see one, but I don't know who would be attracted to it besides a few hard core Buick lovers like myself, at this time. Buick buyers don't typically change their mind from a useable sedan to an emotional choice like a coupe.

Not to say that it can't happen, but I think the new full and mid-size sedans should appear first with their Riviera concept inspired styling to get people prepared for a sporty Buick coupe. Otherwise, I'd be afraid it would fall on deaf ears with people having visions of the current Buick lineup in their head. Once the new sedans are launched as a follow-up to the Enclave, I could see more younger, affulent people taking a closer look at the newly hip and stylish Buick division and their sporty coupe.

I say call it a GTO. And this time, include the hood scoops from the beginning.

GTO: Unless it has a specificly more unique (and more aggressive perhaps) body than a G8, I could see this one getting ragged on just like the 2004-2006 model for appearance if it's just a G8 coupe named GTO.



And I don't really see GMNA having any sort of a love fest with a new GTO either. In fact, most see the last one as a failure they'd want to distance themselves from.

Pontiac all the way. If the were to make it a buick they'd have to change the interior pretty appreciably to differentiate it from the G8, and i'm scared to death of what what happens when GMNA has to make an interior design for a stylish car.

G8 vs. GTO, doesn't matter much to me. If they wanted to make some volume why not have a G8 V6 model and an LS3 GTO model. After all, that's what the GTO originally was anyway, an option package on a regular production coupe.

The GXP badge is as big a joke as the SS badge was when it was on the malibu right now so i'd prefer the top coupe to not be G8 GXP. Realistically id buy it if it was called the pontiac lemon-crash-cart though, as long as it retained the holden/G8 interior.
Agreed. I wish there was another option in the poll above (I voted "G8") to accommodate the idea of having the "regular" coupes be called "G8 Coupe" and the high-end ones be GTO's. It would be a way to still pay proper homage to the GTO name, but to also adhere to Pontiacs goofy G* naming dogma.

I also agree to some extent at least, about the "GXP" label. Pontiac has been careless with the label - witness the utter joke of seeing it on the virtually non-upgraded G6 GXP. Whoever dreamed up and released the G6 GXP, frankly, should be fired from GM. It offers no performance upgrade in a real sense, and the styling is hideously worse than a G6 GTP to boot.

In contrast - the Solstice GXP and upcoming G8 GXP will help preserve some meaning for the GXP label. Plus, the GP GXP did offer real and useful performance upgrades over its predecessor the GTP CompG.

Pontiac, if they want to survive and flourish, simply must be more careful and deliberate with their models, names and option packages.

Monte Carlo.

Since Camaro wasn't an option ... ;)

I'd say GTO, since that's what says '2 door Pontiac with a big motor' to me. But of course that would be V8 only.

I still don't like the G5, G6, G8 nomenclature so I'd rather not propagate it by calling it G8 Coupe or whatever. Personally I wish all the GTO "purists" (i.e. those who think time ceased to move forward after 1964) would just realize that times have changed and modern cars don't have to copy every damn styling cue from the original. Using their logic, the C6 should have come out with chrome bumpers. The Coupe 60 would make a great modern interpretation of the GTO, just like the last one did.

I say call it G8 and sidestep all the GTO crap that came along the last time around. for all intents and purposes it is Commodore/G8 so stick with it.

Maybe reserving the GTO moniker for the high end model, I dunno. I don't think that they'll ever satisfy the GTO "purist" crowd that derided the last car, even though it was pretty true to what the GTO was originally in relation to the rest of the lineup. People seemed to forget that there was more to the GTO than the Judge over the top graphics and spoilers....

Better yet call it Grand Prix.

As for calling it a Buick, with practically the same interior and exterior as the Pontiac across the showroom floor, it wouldn't work. Bringing a Buick variant in would require investment that would be over and above monies already spnt to Pontiac-ize the Commodore. It's already done, keep it Pontiac.

How about

LE MANS

It can't be grand prix. The last GPs didn't even offer a coupe. Talk about confusion. G8 should have been GP if they wanted to bring that badge back, but GP has too many bad memories of horrific interiors and cheap POS rental versions for most of the population

I'm also disgusted by the Pontiac nomenclature, I would prefer to have something like a "LeMans" line, where there was a Lemans sport truck, sport coupe, sport wagon.

But if we have to deal with it, as long as thier are great cars attached to these nondescript and totally unoriginal "designations", I think it could ultimately be made to work.

So I vote G8 coupe, or whatever derivation of that theme you wanna go with. As long as the G8 is advertised as a line of cars, and each model is marketed separately.

How about

LE MANS

It can't be grand prix. The last GPs didn't even offer a coupe. Talk about confusion. G8 should have been GP if they wanted to bring that badge back, but GP has too many bad memories of horrific interiors and cheap POS rental versions for most of the population

For a long time the GP was just a coupe (no sedan) that changed in 88 with the GM10 GP, the coupe was dropped in 02 (I think). So historically, the GP name would be just as applicable as GTO.

Confusion??? Ummm, the last LeMans was a reworked Daewoo econobox with questionable quality to boot, if I recall. Let's call it a draw and go with G8... :D

Personally, I feel it should come here in V6 and V8 form just like the G8.

The V6 Coupe should be equpted like the G8, right down to standard performance suspension and manumatic. It would make a fantastic counterpart to an Infinity G37 (don't laugh, the G37 is just a few ticks below 3700 pounds now, a V6 coupe wouldn't be too much more).

The V8 should be the G8 GT coupe. Same as the sedan.

An LS3 powered version should be the GTO, and be a counterpart to the sedan's upcoming GXP.

In retrospect, there was nothing wrong with the last GTO in and of itself. GTOs historically have been sleepers (save the garish, overpriced, and sales flopping Judge). The Monaro based GTOs were the quickest and fastest GTOs ever made (even the original LS1 version). People who buy cars like this aren't usually intrested in massive trunk space (see: Mustang Mach 1 and Cobra). But that Pontiac front end was weak, dealers not only blew it... they nuked the thing out of the water, GM was slow to react to what dealers were doing, supply allocation was botched (allocation was based on sales instead of location, so early on most all ended up in the northeast in the winter instead of the west coast and the south), and finally, (according to GTO fiunding father, Jim Wagners) GM didn't train their dealers on how to sell the thing.

My own personal experience ranged from a $15,000 markup (the thing was going for $49,000 and change) to needing to leave a deposit simply to test drive one! Branden later sent me the address of a dealer in San Fran that was charging only sticker, but by then the damage was done. I was turned off of Pontiac dealers, and started spending the cash refurbishing my Thunderbird SC.

I think the new G8s are excellent. A coupe addition would plug a gapping hole in Pontiac, and I'll raise the probability of it being made from 51% to about 60%. But if Pontiac dealers haven't learned their lessons, then it won't matter.

After seeing what's being charged for a Solstice GXP and one of the last Grand Prix GXPs in the area (was going for over $40K, and just last week was cut down to sticker) I doubt they have. :(

For a long time the GP was just a coupe (no sedan) that changed in 88 with the GM10 GP, the coupe was dropped in 02 (I think). So historically, the GP name would be just as applicable as GTO.

Confusion??? Ummm, the last LeMans was a reworked Daewoo econobox with questionable quality to boot, if I recall. Let's call it a draw and go with G8... :D

I was joking about le mans. And i know GP was coupe only for many years, but by the end it was a lame rental sedan with a tacky interior.

Tempest would be a neat name to rekindle though.

I need to throw this back in here.

http://www.buickforums.com/images/2007-buick-regal-grand-national-gnx.jpg

I would rather see a low volume GN that only came with a V6 turbo than a G8 Coupe with engine choices and different packages and that dreaded GXP :yuck:, but again, the interior would need differentiation which is something I also dont want GMNA to do to that nice holden interior. So we might as well get the G8 Coupe.

Someone shopped the GTO to get that image. Someone should shop the new Holden to try again. I bet it would look insane. :metal:

I'd say G8 as well and have a V6 version. And call the range topper GTO instead of GXP.

Of course, that would put in into DIRECT competition with Camaro.

EXACTLY :) Save the GTO for the top of the line car . V6 car = GTC , V8 car= GTO .

I dont agree with having a Commodore here as anything but a Pontiac . It works overseas because a Chevy Lumina and Holden or Vauxhall Commodore are not sold together in the same regions . If it were in the US as a Buick while the G8 existed , all the exterior body panels and interior had better be different than a G8's .

3.6L - G8 coupe
6.0L - G8 GT coupe
LS3 - GTO

G8 coupe. both V6 and V8 models

Personally, I feel it should come here in V6 and V8 form just like the G8.

The V6 Coupe should be equpted like the G8, right down to standard performance suspension and manumatic. It would make a fantastic counterpart to an Infinity G37 (don't laugh, the G37 is just a few ticks below 3700 pounds now, a V6 coupe wouldn't be too much more).

The V8 should be the G8 GT coupe. Same as the sedan.

An LS3 powered version should be the GTO, and be a counterpart to the sedan's upcoming GXP.

I like this idea

Poll should have had a Firebird/Trans Am option :p

None of the above.

Badge it Chevy Lumina, just like it would be in the middle east.

MonaroSS over at GMI made some Buick & Pontiac chops :D

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9864/buickgscoupesmallbnf2.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1522/buickgsxcoupesmalluq3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4866/ghhghfghfghdfgshg9.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2206/pontiaccoupe60ub8.jpg

Give it the G8C nomenclature. The name should be new as it doesn't retain any links to cars of the past. That way people won't kick up a fuss about how this Aussie designed car isn't worthy of the GTO name.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2206/pontiaccoupe60ub8.jpg

Now THIS is an improvement over Pontiac's pretty dull current faux-BMW split grille!

Guy likes! :bow:

Now THIS is an improvement over Pontiac's pretty dull current faux-BMW split grille!

Guy likes! :bow:

Yeah I like it as well, as you said the current look is rather dull. :tired:

The white one is the least appealing of the chops ... looks like a mid-80s Laurentian or something. That first one in black, though, that's got the bad-ass GNX look perfected :bow:

Now THIS is an improvement over Pontiac's pretty dull current faux-BMW split grille!

Guy likes! :bow:IDK... it looks like an owl. WHOOO! WHOOO! :D

Notgetleft.... no worries man.... Tempest... hmmm. They floated that name here in Canada on a Pontiac-ized Chevy Corsica from 89 until whenever it died - 93-94-ish(?). Not a bad name, but I still think G8 should be it.

The Buick chops look good... the only problem with bringing the coupe in as a Buick is the strangely almost identical sedan and trucklet across the showroom floor sporting Pontiac livery. Talk about confused consumers. The coupe should be marketed as a Pontiac. Period.

The Pontiac grille on the white chop looks very Pontiac-appropriate for sure - an iteration not seen in some time. I dunno, it works on this car and looks better than the current twin nostril setup. Looks like the TA grilles from 77-78.... oh great, now we'll have people calling for the Firebird name to come back, again....

Now THIS is an improvement over Pontiac's pretty dull current faux-BMW split grille!

Guy likes! :bow:

This should become Pontiac's "look". I wouldn't mind if it was on all of their lineup (except maybe Vibe. :) ).

I love that white car.

Looks like I'm in the minority, but that white Pontiac chop looks terrible. It looks dated for some reason. I don't like the design of it.

Looks like I'm in the minority, but that white Pontiac chop looks terrible. It looks dated for some reason. I don't like the design of it.Yes it is like one of those futuristic concept cars from 1985.

The GMI chop is still the best by about 100,000.

Yes it is like one of those futuristic concept cars from 1985.

The GMI chop is still the best by about 100,000.

you guys aren't the only ones. the concept is a good idea, it's a nice theme that would look right if the execution were there. from the chop it looks like someone transplanted a grille setup from the '80's. A modern fascia would sport more fludity and and more pronounced edges. Kind of like what the Buick chop looks like in this same thread.

I'm not into that white concept either.

Oldsmobile 442

Sell it at Pontiac/GMC/Buick dealers.

send that car to Buick of China and let them go over it inside and out. But the rumored Turbo V6 would be awesome with that.

oh yeah, I like the Monte Carlo call.
But that would take away from Camaro.

The GTO really needs a lower model to start off of. This would work now with the G8 being today's Tempest or Lemans.

Death to Alphanumeric names.

it works for Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW, so GM thinks they should try it. Cadillac got it first taking away the Seville and Deville names that have been around forever. Then Pontiac got hit by this disease trying to go after BMW?

oh yeah, I like the Monte Carlo call.
But that would take away from Camaro.


Yeah, especially since they'd be such extremely similar products - in size, seating configuration, etc.

That would be about as silly as selling an Enclave and Acadia in the same showroom. Oh, wait............

That would be about as silly as selling an Enclave and Acadia in the same showroom. Oh, wait............
Oh, it gets better. How about TrailBlazer, Uplander, Equinox, and soon Traverse in the same showroom? Ah....yeah. :D

G8 GT coupe...just a coupe version of the G8.

Base V6 and V8 = G8
LS3 = GTO


Until the damn Alphanumerics go away. Then the base car should be the Grand Prix.

i say call it a G8 GTO

Oldsmobile 442

Sell it at Pontiac/GMC/Buick dealers.

They gonna put a 4-barrel on it? Don't want to upset the old-timers by not remaining faithful to every aspect of the original ;)

I'm amused by the people who think that everything that GM sells should be badged as a Chevy. I'm sure that they think that GM should offer a stripped down CTS as a Lumina & a stripped down STS as a Caprice! They obviously feel that none of the other divisions need a unique product & some apparently feel that GM doesn't even need other divisions at all! To get back on topic, the GP, Tempest, & LeMans names were all good ones at one time & could be again if handled right.

Turn it on
Wind it up
Blow it out

They gonna put a 4-barrel on it? Don't want to upset the old-timers by not remaining faithful to every aspect of the original ;)

Just make the engine cover in the shape of a 4-barrel.

:D

Buick Grand National!

Black, RWD, Turbo 3.6L VVT. Show me where to sign because that day everything I own would be on craigslist :)

Buick Grand National!

Black, RWD, Turbo 3.6L VVT. Show me where to sign because that day everything I own would be on craigslist :)

About as likely as the 442, I fear.

About as likely as the 442, I fear.

They would never market it with a dead brand. However Buick really really needs a showstopper with Pontiac and Chevy all rolling out new vehicles.

They would never market it with a dead brand. However Buick really really needs a showstopper with Pontiac and Chevy all rolling out new vehicles.

It ain't gettin' a twin-turbo V6 muscle car. That's Pontiac territory.

Of course, Pontiac isn't getting a Cobalt or Equinox clone either, and look how that turned out. Still, Pontiac and Buick are sold by the same dealers, so there'd be less demand.

I find it almost laughable that Buick should get this car before Pontiac. If the US needs a RWD Buick, it would be Statesman/Caprice, IMHO.

If the Coupe 60 is built today, it cannot be a Chevy so the best division to get it would be it's performance division. Otherwise, the marketing money is just being wasted on rendering the car as a Buick.

I'm amused by the people who think that everything that GM sells should be badged as a Chevy. I'm sure that they think that GM should offer a stripped down CTS as a Lumina & a stripped down STS as a Caprice! They obviously feel that none of the other divisions need a unique product & some apparently feel that GM doesn't even need other divisions at all! To get back on topic, the GP, Tempest, & LeMans names were all good ones at one time & could be again if handled right.

Well considering the majority believe GM should be comprised of only Chevy and Cadillac, that shouldn't be too hard to see why any new potential car should go to Chevy in the minds of most people here.

Again, if GM can properly market each division with its own brand focus, each division should be able to offer cars that other divisions don't. Lets see if GM can accomplish that.

I'd be interested to see the 5th gen's nose photo shopped on it. ;)

Again, if GM can properly market each division with its own brand focus, each division should be able to offer cars that other divisions don't. Lets see if GM can accomplish that.

Yup, why does Buick need another GN or GNX, it doesn't. Thats all rolling back down the no brand identity road and instead offering just a different take on the nose and tail.

I'm amused by the people who think that everything that GM sells should be badged as a Chevy. I'm sure that they think that GM should offer a stripped down CTS as a Lumina & a stripped down STS as a Caprice!

the only guys that think that way are guys on the boards with no plans of buying a car in the near future. the "diehard" mentality is old and ultimately...unproductive. GM's car line is almost completely irrelevant/non existant to the general public and the other brands are in direct position to swink GM as a whole.

Personally, I feel it should come here in V6 and V8 form just like the G8.

The V6 Coupe should be equpted like the G8, right down to standard performance suspension and manumatic. It would make a fantastic counterpart to an Infinity G37 (don't laugh, the G37 is just a few ticks below 3700 pounds now, a V6 coupe wouldn't be too much more).

The V8 should be the G8 GT coupe. Same as the sedan.

An LS3 powered version should be the GTO, and be a counterpart to the sedan's upcoming GXP.




QFT

And by the way, that convertible chop is freakin' sweet!!!

I find it almost laughable that Buick should get this car before Pontiac. If the US needs a RWD Buick, it would be Statesman/Caprice, IMHO.

If the Coupe 60 is built today, it cannot be a Chevy so the best division to get it would be it's performance division. Otherwise, the marketing money is just being wasted on rendering the car as a Buick.

I agree...

How much sense would it make for Pontiac to offer a sedan and Buick to offer the coupe?

I also agree about the Chevy version... This is just specualtion, but since the 60 is a bit bigger than the Camaro (or so I was told) maybe this is the Chevelle idea that we had rumors of for so long.

Maybe both Pontiac and Chevrolet wanted the car until the Camaro made a splash.

My understanding is that it's within a couple inches of the Camaro in any given dimension.

Also, I think its a given that any possible Pontiac would sell better as a Chevrolet. The reason GM gave Pontiac the G8 is because they are trying to salvage the brand, not sell the most cars.

Also, I think its a given that any possible Pontiac would sell better as a Chevrolet. The reason GM gave Pontiac the G8 is because they are trying to salvage the brand, not sell the most cars.


Well I would hope so considering Chevy's considerable advantage in terms of dealer network compared to Pontiac's. GM is on the right path having the G8 in Pontiac showrooms. Good performing, good handling, well executed car that Pontiac definitely needs.


I understand this is a Camaro board, and thus I would assume a pro-Chevy board as well, but it is laughable as Maximum Bob said that almost everyone wants Chevy to have every new car that GM has in the pipeline. And I love Chevy as well, but would love to see a GM that has well rounded, distinct successful divisions.