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Omega94

02-06-2008, 09:28 PM

Well they they will lose sales to the Mustang GT and Challenger R/T. Period.

Read my signature.

Agreed...and another thing, just to reiterate your point...how many times has Scott and/or GM said that the Camaro will be priced very closely to a similarly equipped Mustang...So, keeping in mind that we only KNOW that GM will offer V6 and V8 models, it will have IRS, and your option of A6 or M6, (among a few other details) it's almost pointless to throw around numbers...because at the end of the day...we DON'T know what the Camaro is going to sticker for.

But, if the base V8 doesn't sticker below $30,000 they won't just lose sales...the Camaro could go on permanent 'hiatus'...We all know this...and more importantly GM knows this, too. There is too much riding on the entire Camaro program for GM to let it fail. So, I say (and many of you may not care what I say) let's just trust that they're going to do what's best for them AND us.:cool:

09camaroZ28

02-06-2008, 09:42 PM

i think the ls3 would be 30-35k fully loaded

bossco

02-06-2008, 10:05 PM

+ 1,000,000. And if the SS is more expensive than the COBRA Mustang (assuming the Z/28 will go against a Mustang GT) then you can kiss a few sales good-bye. Please do not compare an SS to a Shelby Mustang. Chevrolet will sell as many SS's as Ford sells Shelby's if they target that.

Odd, the Shelbys have sold well enough that Ford is going to continue making them. Ford said from the onset that they would produce the Shelby as long as the demand was there.

Hylton

02-06-2008, 10:46 PM

Odd, the Shelbys have sold well enough that Ford is going to continue making them. Ford said from the onset that they would produce the Shelby as long as the demand was there.

They sell but not as well as the GT or the Cobra. If Ford only had the Shelby for a performance model, the volume in sales would hardly be worth the trouble.

Dragoneye

02-06-2008, 11:09 PM

There HAS to be a V8 (whatever it is) for under 30k. There HAS to be.

For all the afore mentioned reasons -
Compete with the Mustang
Appeal to younger buyers.
Compete with the Mustang
Keep the Camaro standing as being an affordable muscle car
Compete with the Musang
Did I say compete with the Mustang???:lol:

That's really all there is to it.

bossco

02-07-2008, 12:10 AM

They sell but not as well as the GT or the Cobra. If Ford only had the Shelby for a performance model, the volume in sales would hardly be worth the trouble.

Well the GT is the entry level perf car so it stands to reason it would outsell the GT500, 03 Cobra production didn't out pace GT500 production in coupe form (8394 terminators vs. 8150 GT500) there was a difference in Vert numbers (5082 vs. 2694) 04 production number plumetted to 5,637 total units. It'll be a long wait till 08 GT500 totals come out, but I'd say the GT500 isn't the flop your making it out to be. IMO it would have done better if the ADMs hadn't pushed them out of the price range for alot of people (no bull****, when I picked up my 07 GT, the Ford dealer was bitching about piss poor sales, I asked about the GT500, and with a straight face and **** eating grin, he told me 65,000 for the coupe - I told him I'd be back when the Challenger and Camaro hit, ought to be some good deals on forced induction Mustangs around '10 or '11 - of course this is all moot since I've since found dealers who charge MSRP and a bit over invoice for the GT500).

It will be interesting to see the ADMs on the F5 - the GM dealer in my area stickered the Z06 for 91,000. The same dealer in the early 90's stuck a 10k ADM on the 3rd gen RX-7 when it came out as well. I'd bet my 401k(well not really) that a loaded F5 will be 40k+ there.

Hylton

02-07-2008, 09:53 AM

Never did I say that the Shelby was a flop. The car was always supposed be a limited production car. My point is that whatever products the F5 platform delivers, you want to see sales volume.

camarossguy2

02-07-2008, 02:17 PM

Alright you 2010 Camaro fans!
The new Challenger looks to have an Out the door price of $44k. How many of you will still go for a Camaro SS if it's priced at $44k?

I dont know how many of you know about "slickdeals.net" but im addicted to that site. The reason i bring this up, is because about 8 months ago one of the deals was a dealer selling 2007 C6 corvettes brand new for $39,500 +ttl, $500 shipped to any dealer in the US.

I know generally they can be more, but that means you could get a brand new C6 vette for $5000 LESS then a new maro?????

Point: The new maro will not have an MSRP that high period

i3arracuda

02-07-2008, 02:29 PM

I dont know how many of you know about "slickdeals.net" but im addicted to that site. The reason i bring this up, is because about 8 months ago one of the deals was a dealer selling 2007 C6 corvettes brand new for $39,500 +ttl, $500 shipped to any dealer in the US.

I know generally they can be more, but that means you could get a brand new C6 vette for $5000 LESS then a new maro?????

Point: The new maro will not have an MSRP that high period

You're referencing a C6 being sold at ~$3000 under invoice as evidence that a Camaro supercar couldn't possibly be priced higher, at MSRP?

Isn't that why the site is so aptly named 'slick deals'?

christianjax

02-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Wasn't the 1969 ZL1 or COPO Camaro like $1,500 more than a SS? Figure in inflation $4,500 in 1969 was STEEP for a car. Weren't 1969 Vette's around that price? If that holds true, why WOULDN'T the top dog Camaro cost at least $44k? I would be SHOCKED if any sell for under$48k (plus Stealer markup) I've seen Shelby's selling with a $25k markup OVER the MSRP. If you are holding out for the Top Dog, you better be holding a thick wallet too.

Hylton

02-07-2008, 02:55 PM

ZL1 doubled the price of a new base Camaro! But then again, I believe the same can be said about the new Mustang KR500.

STOCK1SC

02-07-2008, 03:28 PM

They sell but not as well as the GT or the Cobra. If Ford only had the Shelby for a performance model, the volume in sales would hardly be worth the trouble.Ford makes more profit on the GT500 than any other car they sell, I think I read $12k+ per GT500. That's not even including what the dealers are getting with their outrageous markups. And their selling everyone they can make! What's funny is they have a red stripe option coming out for an extra $1500 or some crap, Ford has it down to a science on this car for extracting every penny they can possibly get. What's sad is Chevy is having a hard time selling a comparably priced Corvette( base model's are going for under $40k) which would kill the GT500 in every performance category. I don't get it?

i3arracuda

02-07-2008, 03:37 PM

Ford makes more profit on the GT500 than any other car they sell, I think I read $12k+ per GT500. That's not even including what the dealers are getting with their outrageous markups. And their selling everyone they can make! What's funny is they have a red stripe option coming out for an extra $1500 or some crap, Ford has it down to a science on this car for extracting every penny they can possibly get. What's sad is Chevy is having a hard time selling a comparably priced Corvette( base model's are going for under $40k) which would kill the GT500 in every performance category. I don't get it?

I think what you have is FoMoCo marketing these cars as 'highly collectable limited editions'...without mentioning that they are only limited to how many they can sell.

People look at how much a 1968 GT500 is worth and figure, twenty years from now, they can put their kids through college. It's the "Death of Superman" syndrome for the upper-middle class.

John_H

02-07-2008, 03:39 PM

Ford makes more profit on the GT500 than any other car they sell, I think I read $12k+ per GT500. That's not even including what the dealers are getting with their outrageous markups. And their selling everyone they can make! What's funny is they have a red stripe option coming out for an extra $1500 or some crap, Ford has it down to a science on this car for extracting every penny they can possibly get. What's sad is Chevy is having a hard time selling a comparably priced Corvette( base model's are going for under $40k) which would kill the GT500 in every performance category. I don't get it?

I haven't seen prices that low on Corvettes. If I can get a Corvette at the same price as a top dog Camaro or lower, I'm going to have to take a hard look at the Corvette.

CLEAN

02-07-2008, 03:52 PM

This has been beat to death before, but I'll jump in again anyway.

Folks, the Camaro will compete w/ the Mustang at all performance levels AND price levels. Period. If there is a GT500 w/ a sticker in the low 40's in MY2010, you can bet that GM will have Camaro to deal w/ it in MY2011 (keep in mind the markups on these cars, and expect the same for Camaro). The fact that you could get a Corvette for the same money is irellevant. EVERY buyer who has bought a GT500 could have had a Corvette for less money, and yet they bought the GT500 anyway, because they wanted....A GT500!!

The Camaro has co-existed w/ Corvette for 35 years, and in several of those years, you could get a top level Camaro w/ more power than a base Corvette, sometimes the prices have even been very close. This is nothing new.

If people want a 500hp Camaro, they will get one, just like the folks that want 500hp Mustangs (and pay very close to Z06 money to get them). The folks that want a Corvette will get a Corvette.

MatthewRox

02-07-2008, 04:13 PM

Eric77TA

02-07-2008, 04:17 PM

Wasn't the 1969 ZL1 or COPO Camaro like $1,500 more than a SS? Figure in inflation $4,500 in 1969 was STEEP for a car. Weren't 1969 Vette's around that price?

The ZL1 ENGINE was $4,150.00. Add in the car and it was $7,200. That's $2,500 more than the base price of a 1969 Corvette coupe.

That's about $40,677.45 in today's dollars according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics inflation calculator.

STOCK1SC

02-07-2008, 04:56 PM

Any car bought as an investment isn't a good deal. Maybe a few Shelbys and maybe the Cuda but if you have taken the money it cost to buy these classic cars back in the late 60's and early 70's and invested in the stock market you would have made a lot more money. Cars aren't good investments unless they are something you want. Don't buy for someone down the road or it will probably be you taking a huge loss.

trm0002

02-07-2008, 05:07 PM

So, from what I'm seeing here, if they want to sell a *hitload of Camaros from the get go, they need the following to happen:

V6 280-300HP 22k
V8 350-400HP 28k
V8 450+HP 32k

So what have ya'll been smokin cause I want some.

I'm guessing they sell a reasonable amount instead at more like:

V6 280-300HP 26k
V8 370-420HP 33k
V8 450+HP 38k

Gripenfelter

02-07-2008, 05:09 PM

trm0002

02-07-2008, 05:16 PM

I wouldn't blame GM for pricing it higher than the Mustang given the fact that they had to cancel other vehicles that would depend on that platform. But if they price the Canadian ones a lot higher than the U.S. ones I'll stick to doing my engine swap on my 4th gen. Already sold the motor. Gathering parts as we speak.

Didn't that traditionally happen because the the dollar exchange rate? For the longest time, the USD was worth 1.30-1.50 CAD. Now that they're about on par, I don't see how the MSRPs would be that different.

Hylton

02-07-2008, 09:27 PM

Didn't that traditionally happen because the the dollar exchange rate? For the longest time, the USD was worth 1.30-1.50 CAD. Now that they're about on par, I don't see how the MSRPs would be that different.

You're exactly correct - GM is screwing us Canadians. Go to www.gmcanada.com and www.gm.com and compare. There is no reason why the MSRP's should be any different between the two countries.

ForYourMalice

02-07-2008, 09:40 PM

99SilverSS

02-07-2008, 10:16 PM

Man!

I don't care from what has been mentioned in the past about the pricing of this Camaro line in regards to parallel competition with the Mustangs. If you take what was stated in the past and place your bets, you probably will be very disappointed!

The current reality is that the Canadian plant will not be manufacturing the other 8 bangers RWD vehicles that GM had planned for. Based on the new environmental regulations, the manufactures have to readjust their plans.

If you don't even know it, Ford and many other manufs. have been hit hard last year based on the economy and rising fuel prices. Many plants have closed down. Many dealership have wrapped up. I noticed one of the biggest consumer/commercial Ford dealership over here in Southern California closed yesterday.

I purchased my Trans Am in 2001 for $33,000, thus, your top of the line Camaro will come in higher than that today. We are not even speaking about other related taxes involved with the vehicle say the government may impose an 8 banger tax in the future.

If they drop their other lines in Canada and just build the Camaro out of that plant...... would you bet your life on them not pricing in the cost factor and the lost of product to make up for the difference? The Mustangs are continuos production out of Ford existing plants..........Camaro are new production as whole.. that's the biggest difference.

I predict that production for Camaro will not last long, and the price for those vehicle will be through the roof. Either way, GM is at a lost here. Through the long haul, they will phase the 8 bangers out as a whole.

If you want a Camaro, you better save up big time now for they will be rare.

I was looking forward to making a purchase on one of these Camaros, but with the way things are going, I'm somewhat disappointed. I think if you over paid for one of these vehicles based on attraction, you will be at a lost.

We are certainly aware of the Zeta situation, the Canadian dollar vs. US $$$ for production costs and the CAFE rules and what that means for V8's. However, these are issues that GM must work out not us. What I mean by this is GM made a decision to build this car and at Oshawa, they also made the decision to put the other Zeta's on hold and then the CAFE issues we're not all that unexpected to them.
But in order for this Camaro to be a successful brand and a strong seller it must be priced like its competition. Period!

Now before we get into a debate on how that conceivably won't happen.

Let me remind people that not every GM brand or model makes money there are some that have to be carried by other models. There are also accounting ways of disbursing loses for one model across the lines that are profitable. GM trucks have really carried the car lines for quite some time, but that’s a broad look and there are certainly exceptions.
So GM will do everything they can to minimize the losses if there are any and determine how much they want to invest in what has become an image car for Chevy to make it survive because of the excitement it brings to the brand and GM. Not every person whom walks into the Chevy dealer to see the Camaro will buy one but maybe they will buy a Malibu or an Aveo. The Camaro has also been the star of a major movie with a reported sequel on the way. The Camaro helps to energize the lagging car lineup and is a media and auto show darling.

Now this is all contingent on the Camaro being a sales success. GM accounting can do some creative math if they can sell enough units to justify the costs. It’s been done before but only if the car is worth it and that's not yet known.

One thing we must also consider is that GM has remained comitted to building this car with all the issues listed and they have not waivered as far as we know. We know that have no issue dropping vehicle lines but for them to continue on shows that while they do have a lot invested they must feel that the car will be succesful enough to continue.

JB22

02-07-2008, 10:33 PM

All I can say is that I have been hoping for a LS3 package at or below 33k

If things start going above that, I dont know if I am still in the market.

90rocz

02-07-2008, 10:34 PM

All I can say is, IF a Z28 comes in near $40K, they'll have priced me out of buying one "new".
If I were one to pay $40K for a sportscar, I'd buy one with way more to offer inside and out...this is not the mission statement that has been Camaro.

A Corvette would be a no-brainer...

JB22

02-07-2008, 10:49 PM

However after doing some more reading it seems like the L76 is basically an LS2 with Active Fuel Management, so Id be cool with that for $500 more than a similarly equipped mustang.

That put you somewhere around 28-30k for a decently equipped model.

christianjax

02-08-2008, 06:42 AM

The ZL1 ENGINE was $4,150.00. Add in the car and it was $7,200. That's $2,500 more than the base price of a 1969 Corvette coupe.

That's about $40,677.45 in today's dollars according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics inflation calculator.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I knew $4,000 was involved in the price, just forgot that it was the motor itself that cost that much.

90rocz

02-08-2008, 09:30 AM

My dad ordered his '68 SS396/325hp, as a Vette bronze hard top, black p-leather interior, 4spd, 3 series posi rear, superwide oval Uniroyal tires, for just over $3,800.00.
For just a little more money he could've bought a '67 L88-427/435hp Vette, used, but he wanted a Camaro.;)

JakeRobb

02-08-2008, 09:37 AM

5thGen

02-08-2008, 09:54 AM

Dodge has decided to cash in on the Barrett Jackson hype and fame. They see the original mopar supercars going for 6 or 7 figures every time they tune in, so they think the Challenger is a premium vehicle. Hence the decision at first to only make it as a 6.1L 425 hp 6 speed coupe. I think after looking at the market, the V6 version (only avail as an auto and probably in the high 20's) made sense to make it more feasible to those who are not Barrett Jackson buyers. The problem is, their 3.5L V6 version will be too heavy to be competitive with the Mustang or Camaro V6 and will be priced close to the V8 Camaro and the Mustang GT. The 5.7L will be ok, but priced about higher than a Mustang special edition (Boss?) and probably an upgraded Camaro, both of which will probably be much faster. Finally, the SRT-8 will be slaughtered by the GT500 and the Z28, and in that price bracket, all three will be an option to the buyer in a segment where performance is VERY important.

christianjax

02-08-2008, 10:02 AM

5thGen

02-08-2008, 10:17 AM

All true, but it's still a beautiful car, and the loyalists will and have lined up to buy it. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the Camaro was not coming back, there would be a Challenger in my future. (SRT of course)

yes, those that can afford it.

And I've said before, I want a V8 Camaro for about 25, if not a high horse V6 for 21 at most. The Challenger will be way more than that.

christianjax

02-08-2008, 10:23 AM

yes, those that can afford it.

And I've said before, I want a V8 Camaro for about 25, if not a high horse V6 for 21 at most. The Challenger will be way more than that.

The Camaro is how GM is keeping me as a customer. I've been a life long GM owner. Then about a year and a half ago, I bought a new Charger Daytona. LOVE IT. I even toyed around with the idea of getting a SRT Charger, but Camaro is my love. So GM saved me from crossing over to the dark side.

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-08-2008, 10:58 AM

The Camaro is how GM is keeping me as a customer.

The Camaro is how GM is get me as a CAR customer. I've considered purchasing a Tahoe but ended up with a Chrysler Pacifica due to the MPG. I really like the new Lambda platform but transaction prices were basically at MSRP last summer when I needed to make the purchase. Besides, that's my wife's vehicle... I needed that extra wiggle room in the budget for 2009 :D

GoCamaroGo

02-08-2008, 11:23 AM

If they can price the no option G8 GT (L76) at $29,995 then they can price a no option camaro with a L76 under $30,000. We don't know what powertrains will be out, but I speculate there will be 3 to 4 levels of powertrain, not necessarily all availabe the first year.

I have a feeling, judging by the general development theme of this car and the current innovations in powertrain development technologies, we could be in for a few surprises regarding powertrain.

Eric77TA

02-08-2008, 01:37 PM

If they drop their other lines in Canada and just build the Camaro out of that plant...... would you bet your life on them not pricing in the cost factor and the lost of product to make up for the difference? The Mustangs are continuos production out of Ford existing plants..........Camaro are new production as whole.. that's the biggest difference.

I find it unlikely they will only build Camaro. Oshawa is being retooled as a Flex plant that can build both front and RWD cars. I'd say that something else will be built there eventually one way or another.

The 2005 Mustang was not continuous production out of an existing Plant. The Dearborn plant that built every mustang from 1964-1994 closed at the end of 1994 production.

A whole new, RWD line had to be tooled at AutoAlliance (Mazda) in Flat Rock Michigan to build the 2005-Current Mustang - in the same plant that builds the FWD Mazda 6.

Gripenfelter

02-08-2008, 01:52 PM

I find it unlikely they will only build Camaro. Oshawa is being retooled as a Flex plant that can build both front and RWD cars. I'd say that something else will be built there eventually one way or another.

I wonder if there will be a FWD car made on the Camaro platform and if thats the case how hard it would be to make an AWD Camaro? :think:

christianjax

02-08-2008, 01:54 PM

A whole new, RWD line had to be tooled at AutoAlliance (Mazda) in Flat Rock Michigan to build the 2005-Current Mustang - in the same plant that builds the FWD Mazda 6.

Really? wow, I just lost what ever respect I had for the new Mustang.

2K1SunsetSS

02-08-2008, 02:11 PM

GM has said repeatedly that Camaro will be priced and marketed to be competitive with Mustang. Why does everyone insist on comparing it to Challenger SRT-8?

Just because the 1970 Challenger was competitive with the 1970 Camaro doesn't mean that the same will apply 40 years later.

I expect that an LS3-powered Camaro will come in comfortably under 30k, but it will not be hard to option one up past 35k.

GM says a lot of things and the world has changed in the last 2 years the concept has been out.

It's time to stop dreaming, there is no way in the world an ls3 camaro will be under 30k.

BigDarknFast

02-08-2008, 02:17 PM

GM says a lot of things and the world has changed in the last 2 years the concept has been out.

It's time to stop dreaming, there is no way in the world an ls3 camaro will be under 30k.

I tend to agree with Jake more than I do this. The 2008 Mustang GT MSRP starts at $26k. Granted, no IRS and no 430 HP... but that's way south of $30k. Camaro prices are going to mimic the Mustang, MUCH more than they do the Challenger SRT8.

2K1SunsetSS

02-08-2008, 02:21 PM

I tend to agree with Jake more than I do this. The 2008 Mustang GT MSRP starts at $26k. Granted, no IRS and no 430 HP... but that's way south of $30k. Camaro prices are going to mimic the Mustang, MUCH more than they do the Challenger SRT8.

The mustang GT is 300hp, solid axle

The base g8 GT is 30k @ 360hp

Logic says(even GM is saying the v8 option might cost more) that the camaro with a the 430 ls3 would be 30k or even more.

You guys thinking otherwise are in dreamland

JakeRobb

02-08-2008, 02:26 PM

Really? wow, I just lost what ever respect I had for the new Mustang.
How does knowing which vehicles are built on the same line have any impact on your respect for a car?

I tend to agree with Jake more than I do this. The 2008 Mustang GT MSRP starts at $26k. Granted, no IRS and no 430 HP... but that's way south of $30k. Camaro prices are going to mimic the Mustang, MUCH more than they do the Challenger SRT8.
My guess is that the Ford mod motor is more expensive to build than an LS3. The horsepower advantage is primarily due to the added displacement, and the size of the holes has very little to do with the cost of an engine.

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-08-2008, 03:06 PM

The mustang GT is 300hp, solid axle

The base g8 GT is 30k @ 360hp

Logic says(even GM is saying the v8 option might cost more) that the camaro with a the 430 ls3 would be 30k or even more.

You guys thinking otherwise are in dreamland

STOP - JUST STOP!!!!!

If the LS3 (or some new DI version) is the base v8 in the Camaro, there is NO WAY they will start above $30K. The car would be still-born as that would represent a monster premium over the Mustang GT. Why would GM do this after pouring millions of dollars into the program?
While it looks like they are integrating some great options into this car so that it appeals to a broader base than just enthusiasts; they remain fully aware that their most direct competition is the Mustang! The prices will be comparable.

BigDarknFast

02-08-2008, 03:12 PM

My guess is that the Ford mod motor is more expensive to build than an LS3. The horsepower advantage is primarily due to the added displacement, and the size of the holes has very little to do with the cost of an engine.
Definitely agreed. I was thinking more along the lines of the additional attractiveness of the additional ponies, and how that *could* justify a higher price...

christianjax

02-08-2008, 03:26 PM

[quote=JakeRobb;5170066]How does knowing which vehicles are built on the same line have any impact on your respect for a car?

quote]

I was just kidding around. I don't have respect for ANY Japanese car, regardless of where it's made. :usa: And was just making fun that the Mustang shares an assembly line with a Mazda. ;)

2K1SunsetSS

02-08-2008, 06:20 PM

STOP - JUST STOP!!!!!

If the LS3 (or some new DI version) is the base v8 in the Camaro, there is NO WAY they will start above $30K. The car would be still-born as that would represent a monster premium over the Mustang GT. Why would GM do this after pouring millions of dollars into the program?
While it looks like they are integrating some great options into this car so that it appeals to a broader base than just enthusiasts; they remain fully aware that their most direct competition is the Mustang! The prices will be comparable.

Please put down the crack pipe.

Taking a screen shot of the this so I can post an I told you so when pricing and options are released.

Z28Wilson

02-08-2008, 06:37 PM

My guess is that the Ford mod motor is more expensive to build than an LS3. The horsepower advantage is primarily due to the added displacement, and the size of the holes has very little to do with the cost of an engine.

Correct. You're not just paying for the parts of an engine. You're paying a premium for horsepower. Just because the LS3 embarrasses the 4.6 in a Mustang GT and might cost roughly the same amount to build does NOT mean GM is going to charge you the same amount.

Personally, I might look for the L76 to be the Mustang GT competitor, if you're looking for a V8 under $30,000. It would still have roughly 60 more horsepower than the GT (or 30 more once the newly designed Mustang comes out in 2010). This leaves us with an interesting question, does the LS3 make it into Camaro or could it jump from L76 to the blown LS8? Or does LS3 make it instead of L76?

GM does have a lot of options as far as engines go for Camaro, and I'm sure it's keeping the competition guessing as much as we are.

EDIT: Tom, if GM does somehow offer the LS3 in a Camaro for under 30, and they keep weight relatively in check, I just might be able to overlook the headache the interior gives me.

99SilverSS

02-08-2008, 07:38 PM

The mustang GT is 300hp, solid axle

The base g8 GT is 30k @ 360hp

Logic says(even GM is saying the v8 option might cost more) that the camaro with a the 430 ls3 would be 30k or even more.

You guys thinking otherwise are in dreamland

If car companies only worked on logic then we would never have a Vette or Camaro and certainly no ZR1 or Hummers at all. No we are all in dreamland because the types of cars that get our blood moving and keep us posting here year after year are not the logical cars.

The base V8 in the 2010 Camaro will be on par with Mustang GT prices. It happened to be the LT1/LS1 in the 4th gen. So in the 2010 Camaro if it's the LS3 or L76 expect that to be in that price range.

I also don't see why people would think the LS3 in the Camaro would cost soo much. Forget the power it's the standard SBC in 2008. If history means anything and sharing the great Corvette engine with the Camaro is so odd why has the L98, LT1, LS1 all been shared in the past. Each one more powerful than the prior and all standard issue in the Camaro or Vette. These are mass produced engines made for performance cars. It would be silly for GM not to use the LS3 in the Camaro.

I don't know if this is still done but there was a time when getting a EPA certification for an engine and trans combo carried a cost and that was one of the reasons the Camaro and Vette shared the same engine and trans. If this is still true then GM would actually need to pay more to use the L76 over the LS3 because it's a already certified combo used in the C6.

Was a *cough* 305hp LS1 *cough* in the 1998 Z28 any less impressive than say a rated 400hp LS3 in the 2010 Camaro......

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-08-2008, 07:48 PM

Please put down the crack pipe.

Taking a screen shot of the this so I can post an I told you so when pricing and options are released.

Please do...
but you have to agree to re-post that screeen shot when I'm right :p

I just priced a Mustang GT....
$26,080 - GT Deluxe MSRP
+ 5% Increase in MSRP over the next 2 years MSRP
$27,384 - 2010 MSRP

So, do you really think that the new Camaro BASE v8 is going to be more than $2,600 over the Mustang GT?! I hope not or it won't be around for long.

Z28Wilson

02-08-2008, 07:54 PM

So, do you really think that the new Camaro BASE v8 is going to be more than $2,600 over the Mustang GT?! I hope not or it won't be around for long.

No, I think he's guessing the "base" V8 Camaro will not contain the LS3.

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-08-2008, 08:28 PM

Personally, I might look for the L76 to be the Mustang GT competitor

Other than the L76 being made by our Aussie friends and shipped up in the G8, does anyone know if GM has developed this for cars? -Especially since production for the car is only 8-9 months away.

I also don't see why people would think the LS3 in the Camaro would cost soo much. Forget the power it's the standard SBC in 2008. If history means anything and sharing the great Corvette engine with the Camaro is so odd why has the L98, LT1, LS1 all been shared in the past. Each one more powerful than the prior and all standard issue in the Camaro or Vette. These are mass produced engines made for performance cars. It would be silly for GM not to use the LS3 in the Camaro.

Agreed - I went back to search the other engine threads and no one, that I saw, explained how the LS3 costs more than the L76.

No, I think he's guessing the "base" V8 Camaro will not contain the LS3.

Without seeing a North American produced car application L76, what else will go into the Camaro? Of course, I guess one of the expected DI engines may turn everything upside down.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 01:54 PM

Good thread I started huh? When it comes down to it, COST is what matters the most to us consumer and GM supporters. Vehicle is release date is almost important ofcourse.

At any rate, a G8 power driver is not under $30,000, thus the V8 will go hand over foot costing more than that. I say once again you are looking at least $40k out the door complete.

GM says a lot of things and the world has changed in the last 2 years the concept has been out.

It's time to stop dreaming, there is no way in the world an ls3 camaro will be under 30k.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 02:08 PM

No mentioning crack pipe needed, but anyone thinking a fully loaded Camaro (SS version?) going for less than $30k is nutz. Fbodies either V8 or V6 have always MSRP more than that of a Mustang. Look at the 4th generation Fbodies, Trans Am Ram Air cost more than the Camaro SS, then came the Stang GT at the lower end.

When you look at it, these New Camaros will come fully stock period... No Catback,Rims, Wheels, Stripes etc. needed. compared to the Mustangs..... all this will be priced in.

You want the look, you will pay the price...... if not, look for a used one 4 years down the road and it will be under $30K hahaha

Please put down the crack pipe.

Taking a screen shot of the this so I can post an I told you so when pricing and options are released.

JakeRobb

02-11-2008, 02:14 PM

My official guess is that the least expensive LS3 Camaro will be available for $27-29k (if sold at MSRP).

Screenshot it if you must, but I won't edit the post. :)

Silverado C-10

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM

My official guess is that the least expensive LS3 Camaro will be available for $27-29k (if sold at MSRP).

Screenshot it if you must, but I won't edit the post. :)

Not sure if it will be an LS3 or not, but you can screenshot me as well. A BASE MODEL V-8 will come in under 30K. You start adding options and I fully agree it will be easy to pay 35-40K for a loaded SS camaro.

boxerperson

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM

I fully expect the basic V-8 camaro to MSRP for about 27,000. No idea about the engine, but it'll probably be a nice 360+ hp mill. Detuned LS3 or DI 4.9, who knows, who cares. If Fbodyfather's comments about weight are to be taken completely at face value, the base V-8 camaro will be outperforming the 2010 'Stang by a pretty decent margin in all areas, regardless of whether it's with a 365hp or 430hp engine.

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-11-2008, 02:33 PM

No mentioning crack pipe needed, but anyone thinking a fully loaded Camaro (SS version?) going for less than $30k is nutz.

I don't think anyone would agrue with you on that :shrug:

Dragoneye

02-11-2008, 03:25 PM

I'm glad a consensus seems to have been reached here. :p

Stunned is a good word to use for what I was when people started insisting that a V8 Camaro couldn't be had for under 30k....then -now- I realize they must have been talking about a nicely optioned vehicle.:thumb: THAT makes sense.

I've mentioned my guesses before, but overall - I'm looking at two things while trying to guestimate price:

Pontiac G8 (more expensive than a Chevy counterpart would be)
Mustang GT - the only competition the Camaro really has to worry about. If you don't like that description, then....'The only direct competition' :p :lol:

JakeRobb

02-11-2008, 03:33 PM

Just to get a little more specific, here's what I envision:

2010:
250hp 3.6 V6: $20,995
300hp DI 3.6 V6: $23,995
430hp LS3: $27,995

2011:
add $3,000 for convertible option, available on all models

2012:
add 550hp LS8: $39,995

I figure that there will be at least $5,000 in available options (in addition to convertible) that can potentially increase the price, but those are my guesses at the base prices for each engine level. I expect the LS8 version to come pretty well loaded as-is.

I'd love to see the 250hp V6 drop off the list, and have the DI V6 come in at that price. I'm not sure how feasible that is, but I think it would be really great for Camaro if it were possible.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 03:46 PM

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 03:54 PM

Just to get a little more specific, here's what I envision:

2010:
250hp 3.6 V6: $20,995
300hp DI 3.6 V6: $23,995
430hp LS3: $27,995

2011:
add $3,000 for convertible option, available on all models

2012:
add 550hp LS8: $39,995

Do you really think it will take that long?

We already know MY2010 cars will go on sale in about a year from now. I can honestly see convertibles out by October of next year, making them also MY2010 vehicles. Then an early MY2011 top dog around late summer 2010.

My thoughts are top dog as fast as possible but definitely as a MY2011 as don't the new CAFE rules effect MY2012 vehicles?

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 04:00 PM

Come On Jake!!!!! A 3.6 Firebird in 2001 was for $23,000.... so where did you come up with $20,999?... it's been 7 years since.

Now, since Oshawa is a Flex plant, you have to account for GM upcharging for their production lost of the GTO and Impala. You have to make up for the lost somewhere or you will be out of business.

If you have purchase grocery in the past couple weeks........ a 2 liter Coke used to cost .99 last year..... now it's $1.50. If you don't know about the current economy, the Feds are trying to beat a Recession in this nation.

Whatever the case man, if GM don't price this puppy under $30,000 for a V8, they won't have my pledge. They better price everything properly or future production will be out the door. If I were them, I would set a price now and ask for a deposit of commitment. This way they can target future sales and production much better. Give their supporters a break based on commitment. More than that, more people can set aside money for the future purchase. Also, if they set a price, they can rally up excitement and better anticipation for the release.

Just to get a little more specific, here's what I envision:

2010:
250hp 3.6 V6: $20,995
300hp DI 3.6 V6: $23,995
430hp LS3: $27,995

2011:
add $3,000 for convertible option, available on all models

2012:
add 550hp LS8: $39,995

I figure that there will be at least $5,000 in available options (in addition to convertible) that can potentially increase the price, but those are my guesses at the base prices for each engine level. I expect the LS8 version to come pretty well loaded as-is.

I'd love to see the 250hp V6 drop off the list, and have the DI V6 come in at that price. I'm not sure how feasible that is, but I think it would be really great for Camaro if it were possible.

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 04:08 PM

I expect to pay mid 40's for a top dog Camaro. I currently have about 75% of that saved up and will finance the rest.

trm0002

02-11-2008, 04:13 PM

I expect to pay mid 40's for a top dog Camaro. I currently have about 75% of that saved up and will finance the rest.

Mid 40's you're pushing Vette territory. If it gets that high, I'll buy a Corvette first.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 04:16 PM

A big Dog, I agree with you that's the out the door price for the top Camaro. It's been said that for mid 40s, people would just go for a Vette. I would be crucified, but so many on this board believe that the Camaro V8 will be had for under $30,000.... I believe they are setting themselves up for a let down.

MatttttttttttttttttttI expect to pay mid 40's for a top dog Camaro. I currently have about 75% of that saved up and will finance the rest.

Dragoneye

02-11-2008, 04:20 PM

Don't speak so soon..... if an import comes in with a substantial model that appeals, people could swing in their interest and the Camaro would have competition. The Nizzan Z is a top seller not need advertisement would be an example, I do agree that it's not a V8 though.

If we go based on the past, we would have the following:

V6 / Convertible
Z28 / Convertible
SS model / Convertible

I can agree with you up to here. Yes, if an import car comes out that can 'threaten' the Camaro and Mustang...price MAY have to shift. But with respect to the new UAW deal with GM - that may not be a big a deal as it would have been in the past.

on top of all of that - Like you said, it's not a V8...if they offer a Hi-Po V6, that can compete well with the Import then we have a story - but I can't see an import being able to encroach upon the V8 Muscle car with any measure of ease. So that's not a worry in my mind.

Anyways,

I can't see the Z28 and SS differing very much in either looks or options.. maybe in Rims, stripes... we know they won't have the ground effects, lips, spoiler.... I say both the Z28 and SS would start above 30k. People would buy it for the look through the V6... those who want the Torque will pay. They know people are enticed to this vehicle already.

This is where I part ways.
Call me foolish:p - but, the Z28's going to be a beast. ~500hp limited production, etc...

The SS is going to be the mainstream V8, the Mustang GT figher, if you will.

(Switch the badges if you like, it doesn't bother me) Using the above designations:
The SS WILL start below 30k. It has to, in order to compete with the Mustang. Nobody's going to take the Camaro seriously if it doesn't have a relatively affordable V8. Meaning, Sub-30k. Because not everybody CAN pay, even though they want the torque. (They'll go over to the Ford Showrooms if that's the case.)

So that's where I fundamentally disagree with you.

Knowing that, would you price the Camaro the same as the Mustangs?
Yes. Knowing everything (I wish) I'd still price the Camaro close to the Mustangs. A BASE V8 with minimal trimmings for ~27,000. you watch.:cool:

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 04:22 PM

You Got it....... logical sense of many stated going for the Vette at that price... but you know what, the Challenger is at that price and some are still going for it. Dodge does not plan on making a V6 Challenger either hahahah!

You don't see Dodge backing down from the $40s to compete with the Mustang do you?....... so it be ridiculous to assume that GM will when they have a couple factors going against them in the manufacturing of this vehicle.

Dudes, if the price comes out steep, we can purchase the V6 version and call it a day hahahaahh! :cry:

Mid 40's you're pushing Vette territory. If it gets that high, I'll buy a Corvette first.

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 04:23 PM

Mid 40's you're pushing Vette territory. If it gets that high, I'll buy a Corvette first.
A big Dog, I agree with you that's the out the door price for the top Camaro. It's been said that for mid 40s, people would just go for a Vette. I would be crucified, but so many on this board believe that the Camaro V8 will be had for under $30,000.... I believe they are setting themselves up for a let down.
The base Vette will be at least $5-10k more by the time the top dog Camaro comes to town.

I could buy a Vette today, however I'm not a Vette kind of guy and for the most part, most Camaro buyers aren't either.

My guess is that the entry V8 Camaro will be slightly more than a fully loaded Malibu LTZ. So with inflation, etc. a V8 Camaro could squeeze in just under $30k... however 1-year from now based on where this economy is going... I don't think its likely. However it won't be much more than that... $32k tops. :D

Silverado C-10

02-11-2008, 04:25 PM

The current "BAD ASS" challenger is around 39K. Add in mark-ups for the "gotta have its" and yeah, it's expensive.

There WILL ABSOLUTELY be a v6 challenger.

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 04:25 PM

Call me foolish:p - but, the Z28's going to be a beast. ~500hp limited production, etc...

The SS is going to be the mainstream V8, the Mustang GT figher, if you will.
No need to switch "badges", I agree 100% on that. :D

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 04:28 PM

Dodge does not plan on making a V6 Challenger either hahahah!Where did you hear that nonsense? :rolleyes:

GTOJack

02-11-2008, 04:29 PM

Why buy a 3200 pound Corvette when you can get a 3700 Camaro for the same money? More car for the money [roll eyes]. I dont give a flying f**k what the V-6 sells for, but I fugure the LS3 base Camaro will sticker for $28,995 plus destination and options. The GTO didnt do too well priced over $30,000 and neither will the new Camaro. Any horsepower less than 400 for that price and GM can pound sand.

Dragoneye

02-11-2008, 04:30 PM

Dodge does not plan on making a V6 Challenger either hahahah!

After reading that, I REALLY don't think you're following this whole segment too closely, bud - so I have to bow out, respectfully, and say that you're overestimating cost a great deal on these cars....

Why, you ask?

Because they ARE going to be making a V6.:) AND a 'smaller' V8. to the tune of 380 hp (rumor has it) as the regular 'RT' model. that should come in around 30-32k...
The Challenger can never really compete directly with it's two playground friends at those prices. Which is why I don't really use the Challenger as a reference for anything. 100,000 units are not in the Challenger's future, unlike the Camaro and Mustang...

You don't see Dodge backing down from the $40s to compete with the Mustang do you?.......

Because this is the SRT8...the closest competitor right now would NOT be the GT trim, but the GT500: SO prices are 'close'.....

09camaroZ28

02-11-2008, 04:36 PM

im looking to pay 38k out the door so i hope that i can get an ls3 nicely optioned for that

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 04:43 PM

Sorry Buddy..... I'm a Firebird Trans Am guy.

http://images.cars.com/main/DMI/171657/128991.jpg

I thought the SS model is one up from the Z28?

Or are they comparable to Trans Am / Formula as being the same except for the external shell?

27k for a v8 would be nice and don't mind at all.......... but I doubt it. Honestly, when they hit the lots, do you believe people will swoop by for the pickup immediately?

Check this out... the R/T RWD R Charger runs for $35,145..... thus, I don't see your SS version anywhere below that price by far.

Matttttttttttt

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 04:54 PM

I thought the SS model is one up from the Z28?
The '96-'02 SS was a "suped up" Z28. (I was going to type "riced out", but better judgement prevailed. :D) That doesn't mean the 5th gen model line will follow the same naming scheme, in fact many here believe the 5th gen Z28 will return to its "roots" and be a canyon-carving-roadracing-monster along the same lines as the Z06/ZR1 Corvette. :D

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 04:58 PM

I'm following close enough to this thread and riding it along. This whole thread has more to do with "how much are you willing to pay." As an interested future owner, you do need to know what others are willing to pay as well, for it will drive the price just incase GM manufactures this vehicle for a year or two. No one can say how long it will be produce, what GM will price it at..... But what we can say is how much we are willing to spend.

One on here is willing to turn over $38,000... that tells you some are willing. Always, the lower the better, but currently there are no guarantee to the set price.

You and I don't know the exact price, but if we talk it out, we can be close based on the factors. Then again, we will dictate the purchase once it's out. By the, just look at the GTOs...... They had the LS2 strong engines and did not sell well based on many factors.

I would ressurect that Goat.. throw a Future Retro Body on it and make the sales.

Silverado C-10

02-11-2008, 05:02 PM

By the way, just look at the GTOs...... They had the LS2 strong engines and did not sell well based on many factors.

And the price being too damned high was one of them :D

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 05:07 PM

I Don't know about Ricedddddddddddd So I was right about the SS... it's one up the Z28. The new Camaro may have a higher rear lip than it's regular counterpart........ The wording this is big these days.... HEMI, VTEC and all that junk. I'm sure they will go SS. It's all in the name brother. People like the sound of the model. I would rather they come up with a new Model Title.

I believe your price assumption is realistic. Just think, $30,000 is the average price these days for a Sport Performance Vehicle, luxury or not.

Many good things have mentioned in this thread with many different opinions. Those who want ownership better save up just incase what we mention is more than reality.

The '96-'02 SS was a "suped up" Z28. (I was going to type "riced out", but better judgement prevailed. :D) That doesn't mean the 5th gen model line will follow the same naming scheme, in fact many here believe the 5th gen Z28 will return to its "roots" and be a canyon-carving-roadracing-monster along the same lines as the Z06/ZR1 Corvette. :D

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 05:11 PM

JakeRobb

02-11-2008, 05:14 PM

Come On Jake!!!!! A 3.6 Firebird in 2001 was for $23,000.... so where did you come up with $20,999?... it's been 7 years since.
2001 Firebird with a 3.6? :think:

A 2002 Z28 had a base price of $22,295.

A 2008 V6 Mustang starts at $19,490.

Silverado C-10

02-11-2008, 05:33 PM

hhahahaha And that was an effort by Pontiac to revive a Rear Wheel Coupe sports Car? Do you see what I'm getting at? Who is to say that the fate of the Camaro is not like the GTO, after all, they are GM's invention!

Here is a good looking GTO redesigned... how much are you willing to pay for it:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Pontiac-GTO-Ram-Air-6-Woodward-Dream-Cruise-1280x960.jpg

The GTO was MEANT to be a limited production car. The high price had more to do with the US/Aus exchange rate and GM *hoping* to make a big profit off of the car. That was old GM. New GM understands that in order for the Camaro to be a success it *NEEDS* to be *AFFORDABLE* for the masses. Not just for a limited number of Camaro fans who will be willing to pay anything for one. Not only does the V-6 need to be affordable, but the V-8 as well. *Some* people wouldn't be caught dead in a V-6 Camaro, even if it does have 300 hp. The V-6 camaro and mustangs have a stigma for being a "chick car."

If the Camaro V-8 STARTS above 30K I won't be the only one on a Ford lot. I am not a Camaro loyalist. If the car is too expensive, I WILL buy something else. GM knows and understands this.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 05:37 PM

I guaran damn Tee you will not see 0% for the new Camaro. My Trans was $27,000 and out the door at $33,000.. that was not even the Ws6 package or collector edition in 2001 hahahaah. I'm not comparing, for I'm pointing to increase cost of years past. Vehicle have cost more in price through the years and does not remain the same. Those Mustangs have also gone up in price.

I would think it's hard to compare the prices of the 4th Gen's to the 2010 Camaro. My loaded 2002 Z28 t-top coupe was $28K (out the door $23.5 with 0% 60months, the good ol days)
The difference then was the LS1 was the Z and SS engine aka base V8. IF the LS3 becomes the base then I could see the price for the Camaro V8 staying in line with the Mustang GT's under $30k, coupe/convert.

As for the most expensive Camaro or top performer as we should say. That would probably follow GT500 and Challenger SRT prices. So whatever those are next year.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 05:39 PM

Dude, back then we have your:

Firebird V6
Firebird V6 Ws9 I think.
Formula V8
Trans Am V8
Trans Am V8 Ram Air Ws6

2001 Firebird with a 3.6? :think:

A 2002 Z28 had a base price of $22,295.

A 2008 V6 Mustang starts at $19,490.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 05:49 PM

I am surprise to her an Fbody person having an interest in a Stang. Typically I hear Fobdy eating Stangs hahahaahah!

Pontiac is bringing back the GTO next year if you have not heard.

It has always been the price.... the Stang have sold all along because it didn't cost an arm and leg.

Honestly, the Firebirds and Camaros were creamed because of sales' figures. Anyone in their right mind knows that price dictate sales.

How many mid 20 to mid 35 people can afford a $33,000 Trans Am in 2001? As a matter of speaking, many in their 30s typically have familys. Realisticwise, it' rough for someone to commit $30,000 in their mid 20s.

jg95z28

02-11-2008, 05:53 PM

Pontiac is bringing back the GTO next year if you have not heard.
Source? :rolleyes:

GTOJack

02-11-2008, 06:01 PM

Sometime in mid model year 1995, the V6 Firebird and Camaro were upgraded to a 3.8 litre.

MatthewRox

02-11-2008, 06:57 PM

Source? :rolleyes:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106630

The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.

The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.

But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.

Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.

The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.

The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.

One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.

There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.

Noth'nLikeaSmBlock

02-11-2008, 07:27 PM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106630

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that article is REALLY out of date... it was from July 2005. According to the timeline specified in that article, the car should be starting pre-production in a month or so!

Dragoneye

02-11-2008, 08:44 PM

I think you should start to read up...just a little...before you start guessing prices, and whatnot....
Sorry Buddy..... I'm a Firebird Trans Am guy.

http://images.cars.com/main/DMI/171657/128991.jpg

Damn Fine Car.:bow::bow:

I thought the SS model is one up from the Z28?

It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........

Honestly, when they hit the lots, do you believe people will swoop by for the pickup immediately?
Yes...I happen to think, so...yes. After all - when the Transformers DVD came out, the number is what, like 500,000 people called in to the number on the card insert, interested in the new Camaro? And constant auto show reminders when you see the largest crowds around the Camaro platforms?

Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones! :p

Check this out... the R/T RWD R Charger runs for $35,145..... thus, I don't see your SS version anywhere below that price by far.

But, see? When has the Charger EVER threatened the Camaro - in what dreams? It's a 4-door road-boat. Nice car, nonetheless - but 35k for a base V8 with no toys is NOT gonna fly.
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.

aNo one can say how long it will be produce, what GM will price it at..... But what we can say is how much we are willing to spend.

One on here is willing to turn over $38,000... that tells you some are willing. Always, the lower the better, but currently there are no guarantee to the set price.
Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!

You and I don't know the exact price, but if we talk it out, we can be close based on the factors. Then again, we will dictate the purchase once it's out. By the, just look at the GTOs...... They had the LS2 strong engines and did not sell well based on many factors.
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?

I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:

The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.

He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)

That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
_________________________________________

And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.

It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.

And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.

trm0002

02-11-2008, 10:06 PM

...
Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!

I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?

I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:

The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.

He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)

That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
_________________________________________

And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.

It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.

FYI, I've always been a "bang for the buck" kind of buyer. That being said, I did buy (still have) an '04 GTO. Why? Pretty simple; once I was able to get 7500 off the sticker, it became "bang for the buck". Had no real interest until I got an email offering 3500 factory to dealer incentive. Ok, so I'll go take a look... You want to give me what? 3500 f/d/i, 2500 off from the dealer, and 1500 more for financing through GMAC. I didn't even have the heart to beat them up on pricing after that... Guess what I'm getting at is a very nice V8 package in 2004 ended up going for 26190 (+t/t/l). One other thing it had going for it, a BIG plus with that car, is the interior. Night and day above my 96 Z28 and still well above my father's (I'm 40 so he's an old man at 62) 2002 Camaro SS.

That's where the pricing had to be to really begin moving those cars in 04. 05/06 with the 400HP LS2 helped sales but people still weren't paying sticker. So, your 31k number for the high end model (which we're assuming is a 400HP SS with the Z28 coming in as TOP DOG 500+HP) is probably right on the money. That should be for a fully loaded SS; leather, power seats, air/cruise/tilt, 6 disk CD, etc. At least 31k is where it would have to be to not only compete with the Mustang for new buyers, but also to draw some serious attention from the Ford boys when they're looking to get something new.

jg95z28

02-12-2008, 01:54 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106630

The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.

The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.

But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.

Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.

The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.

The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.

One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.

There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that article is REALLY out of date... it was from July 2005. According to the timeline specified in that article, the car should be starting pre-production in a month or so!

Like Noth'nLikeaSmBlock wrote Matt... the GTO is dead.

christianjax

02-12-2008, 06:54 AM

How many mid 20 to mid 35 people can afford a $33,000 Trans Am in 2001? As a matter of speaking, many in their 30s typically have familys. Realisticwise, it' rough for someone to commit $30,000 in their mid 20s.

hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.

jg95z28

02-12-2008, 10:51 AM

fwiw, in 1995 I was 30-years old and paid ~ $31k out the door for my fully loaded Z28.

JakeRobb

02-12-2008, 11:08 AM

Dude, back then we have your:

Firebird V6
Firebird V6 Ws9 I think.
Formula V8
Trans Am V8
Trans Am V8 Ram Air Ws6

Are you making a point? You quoted my post, but I don't see what your post has to do with mine.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 11:49 AM

The Camaro were lower in pricing than that of the Firebirds based on any models. Thus, the Camaro made the sales. You will see more V6 Firebirds than you will Trans Am.

All in all, I believe the price needs to be proper to make the sales.

Many do careless and will Kamikazi into the purchase.

hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 11:50 AM

Hell, that is steep figure for a 95....... was it your credit or the length of the payment?

fwiw, in 1995 I was 30-years old and paid ~ $31k out the door for my fully loaded Z28.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 11:52 AM

I'm stating what model the Firebirds entail.

Are you making a point? You quoted my post, but I don't see what your post has to do with mine.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 12:14 PM

Hey Dude! Very well response. From the thread, we can pretty much tell what people are willing to pay.

Not only will the Camaro compete with the Mustangs for ownership, but it will compete with many other (V6). There are many V6 Stang owners who made the purchase based on shell appeal.

I definitely believe they will sell well. I think if you are looking for one-of-a-kind street ownership, you may be out of luck. I am not very certain how we will feel with so many on the road though. I can bet my chips that it will have equal or even more sales than the Mustang if the price fell in the same range.

Let's cross our fingers for the proper pricing.......

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 12:20 PM

The Trans Am probably out sold ..... I don't believe there were more production of the WS6 than that of the regular TA. People went for the TA, reason being is that it was cheaper to strap on a hood. Hell man, it was cheaper for me to go with regular TA and strap on an actual OEM hood.

All factory built is the way to go though.

From the images that I have seen, it looks as though the Camaro will have the airbox sitting to the left where the headlight is at. Thus, the slit is just for looks. I'm sure that manufactures will custom mold a hood that directly feeds.

hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.

JakeRobb

02-12-2008, 12:30 PM

I'm stating what model the Firebirds entail.

I still don't see what that had to do with my post.

Eric77TA

02-12-2008, 01:50 PM

christianjax

02-12-2008, 02:03 PM

Matthew, there WAS more production of WS6 than regular TA.

From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.

Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.

Thanks for the back up. I knew Scott posted actual figures somewhere around here, but I did a search and couldn't find the post. My point was (and Scott's) that people did in fact pony up bigger bucks for the WS6 well over the price of the then top of the line Mustang. So much for the theory that "if it doesn't cost the same as a Mustang, people won't buy the Camaro."

bobbert

02-12-2008, 02:37 PM

I think you should start to read up...just a little...before you start guessing prices, and whatnot....

Damn Fine Car.:bow::bow:

It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........

Yes...I happen to think, so...yes. After all - when the Transformers DVD came out, the number is what, like 500,000 people called in to the number on the card insert, interested in the new Camaro? And constant auto show reminders when you see the largest crowds around the Camaro platforms?

Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones! :p

But, see? When has the Charger EVER threatened the Camaro - in what dreams? It's a 4-door road-boat. Nice car, nonetheless - but 35k for a base V8 with no toys is NOT gonna fly.
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.

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Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!

I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?

I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:

The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.

He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)

That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
_________________________________________

And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.

It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.

And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.

Well I'm new to this pricing game I've not been involved with the Camaro since 2002 when they went out of production. It broke my heart! Anyway I will tell you this if in fact the High end 400hp is somewhere around $30-31k I will get an instant ROD!! Sorry for the graphic description but it's true. I was thinking it would be a little higher than that so either way I won't be disappointed. I mean if it turns out to be a little higher I'm ok with it and if it is in fact the 30-31 range all the better. I've been waiting for 6 years for this freaking car 7 by the time it comes out so I'm not going to let something like $3-4k difference in price kill my dream! Just my opinion.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Yah.... I guess I'm wrong.... on the LS1.com board, it seems like the majority all have the regular TA and hood them up. My assumption came from there and I didn't want to take the time to find the figures.

2002 of course... that's the reason I purchased my 2001 (the last chance thing).

I see that your signature shows a Cobalt....... I spoke to a Chevy salesman once where he told me that your fully loaded Cobalt can take a Porsche... or at least his did. He spoke honestly about it. You think it can?

My wife drives a Saturn L200...... honestly I feel that it's a really good car and accelerates super well for a inline 4.

Matthew, there WAS more production of WS6 than regular TA.

From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.

Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.

christianjax

02-12-2008, 02:45 PM

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Nice Buddy! There will be no others like our Vehicles with the one of a kind T Tops.... that's the best best future man! They don't shred up like a convertiable top!!!! More than that, they look alot like the Corvettes of back then.

Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?

By the way, you have ownership of so many black vehicles, don't you get tire of that color?

How you like the commericals for the new Knight Rider Stang hahahaah. They have played the commercial so man time, I think I will have to watch it this Sunday despite the criticism hahaha!

christianjax

02-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Dragoneye

02-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?

5th gen Camaro...like Corvette's 'C5', 'C6' designation...I assume 'F' came from 'F-body'.

Oh, and I think you asked about Active Fuel Management earlier...that's what I keep hearing it'll have...

EDIT: oops! darn lag-time

Eric77TA

02-12-2008, 03:18 PM

I see that your signature shows a Cobalt....... I spoke to a Chevy salesman once where he told me that your fully loaded Cobalt can take a Porsche... or at least his did. He spoke honestly about it. You think it can?

My Cobalt is the stripper model - I don't even have power windows - with the base 2.2 liter - the same as in your wife's L200, actually. It's performance, to me, is totally acceptable as a daily driver, but I won't be racing any Porsches anytime soon unless it's a race to get further on a tank of gas :)

The 2005-2007 Cobalt SS Supercharged and upcoming 2008 SS Turbocharged can probably run with some Porsche models.

Hylton

02-12-2008, 03:31 PM

I believe F5 refers to Fbody 5th gen. (could be wrong, I thought I was wrong once, but it turns out I was mistaken.:D)

Correct!

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 04:13 PM

Someone on here stated that "they'll hold their breath for an F5" rather than a Camaro or the Challenger..... Looking for an F5...... a Mustang Fastback came up..... or are they saying that Mustang will revert to the look of the Fastback of yester years?

Hmmmmmm....

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 04:22 PM

Hey Christian... here are images of my rides. I never own a Red one, so when I was single, I went for it. I don't know of how many.... but I have always felt that sports car should have loud colors. My silver Trans Am looks just like another vehicle on the road........

http://www.activeone.com/ta/redrear.jpg

http://www.activeone.com/ta/silverride.jpg

Check these out if you have never seen them:

http://www.ws7.se/images/bilbilder/rear_4.jpg

http://www.ws7.se/images/bilbilder/side_6.jpg

http://www.ws7.se/images/grill_covers_3.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/sexyws6mama/LloydPark 103.jpg

christianjax

02-12-2008, 04:42 PM

that black one looks like it has wheels very similar to mine. Boyd Smoothie II's.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 04:48 PM

Omega94

02-12-2008, 04:52 PM

From the images that I have seen, it looks as though the Camaro will have the airbox sitting to the left where the headlight is at. Thus, the slit is just for looks. I'm sure that manufactures will custom mold a hood that directly feeds.

Both of these points are purely speculation. First off, the spy shots that we've seen of the engine bay appear to have a V6 in it. So the opening in the front fascia may not be functional in that model but it still has the potential to be functional in the V8 application(s) or even in the final V6 application(s). At this point, we just don't know whether or not the vents anywhere on the Camaro will be functional or not.

MatthewRox

02-12-2008, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the 411..... I heard it mentioned before that it's a V6... how did you guys tell? I didn't look close enough at the engine to tell from the spy pics.

I see you are saving up for one of these Camaros... you sure you want to go with plain black? This vehicle looks appealing in all the bright colors.

Omega94

02-12-2008, 07:20 PM

Hey Matthew, the reason we "know" (anyone can add if I'm missing something) is because the engine cover on the Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6 is a carbon copy to the spy shots of that one particular engine. Take a look:

http://assets.cobaltnitra.com/teams/repository/4a8/25ff0962f10048f7800145edefa37/1/2008_CTS_Engine_lg.jpg
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/01/2009_Chevy_Camaro_Int.jpg

And thanks for asking about the color thing. My Camaro is more of a maroon color and I love it, so I've considered getting that color on the new Camaro...if it's offered...but I've always wanted a black Camaro! :metal: I honestly think it looks sinister...it's not out of the ordinary...but it's definitely sinister looking, on the right car...and the new Camaro is DEFINITELY the right car :burnout:

christianjax

02-13-2008, 06:51 AM

Boyd Smoothie II's are pefect for most TAs, especially your balck one. The Volk rims are also fitting. Volks wood be good on the new Camaros.

Are you planning to purchase one of these Camaros?

http://www.activeone.com/ta/redrims.jpg

Oh yes, I WILL have the first convertible I can get. Blue with white stripes first choice, red with black stripes second choice, then maybe Orange or Black as third. But until I see the car in person in the available colors it will be blue all the way. (depending on the available shade of blue) I, like you, want real colors. Not the bland silvers and blah (metalic tans) that are all over the roads now. Muscle cars should have grabbing colors. Save the silver and blah for the wussy Camarys. ;)

MatthewRox

02-13-2008, 01:33 PM

MatthewRox

02-13-2008, 01:38 PM

Yah you need a change........ the 99 Anni White TA with the stripes were quite appealing to me.. would of not mind White for my most recent TA purchase. Silver was my selection..... Silver is nice but is boring and no excitement at all. It gets old really quickly.

I also wanted the Yellow TA but could not afford it back then.

My interest of getting a Yellow 2010 Camaro is slim for everyone and their grandma will purchase in that color. I will bet my life on this!

Your Metallic Blue with White Stripes is perfect... not too loud and stands out. Mettallic Orange Would also be nice.

Either way, if you don't get the vehicle with the Stripes, the excitement will not last.

I'm sure Chevy will upcharge for the stripes!!!

christianjax

02-13-2008, 01:41 PM

Thanks for the 411 buddy... that's right, I remember reading a posting that someone had mentioned before about that........ I didn't like the airbox sitting there. Was hoping the duct led to the small air gap.... but man, that gap is really too small for any duct to feed through.

I rather feed it towards the floor where the air duct is.... but then again, too much debris can get in to the filter. I have my reasons for wanting nice cool air instead of the engine air/heat feeding to the throttle.

I experience some bad **** with my TA for the past six months.

I know this is only a "CONCEPT". but if the V8 Camaro comes with the setup in the concept, then the air intake will be from the vent above the grill. Kind of a RamAir.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/112_0703_08z2Bchevrolet_camaro_conv.jpg

Frankly I really hope it does use this functional setup.

Omega94

02-13-2008, 02:28 PM

I completely agree Christian...I hope that it uses a functional setup too!

MatthewRox

02-13-2008, 03:42 PM

That's a nice Internal Engine Bay..... too bad it's too fake for it's missing too many conventional parts.

From what I see and logical sense, I don't believe they will have a functional slit intake. The slit is too small and is sitting way too high in the front without room above to make use of the Opening.

If you also look...... look how close per say the throttle is to duct. You can never squeeze an Horizontal Air box in there.

Upper hood room of sort is a necessity with any of these vehicles... Take the Trans Am Ram Air hood for instance. You need available horiztonal and vertical space. for the Airbox. Pontiac had a super design for the TA where everything just flowed.

At any rate, it should be that big of a deal if it doesn't work for the Camaro. A functional intake of sort does not function unless you are hauling ass at 100 + miles.

WDWFreak53

02-13-2008, 04:23 PM

The top dog Camaro can't go too high. Where Ford and Dodge have the priveledge to go, basically, as high as they want, Chevy doesn't due to the fact that they will start cannibalizing from the Corvette.

The Ford has the GT...which is $150,000...and Dodge has the Viper $80,000.

Chevy's "big boy" starts MUCH lower than that.

Dragoneye

02-13-2008, 04:32 PM

That's a nice Internal Engine Bay..... too bad it's too fake for it's missing too many conventional parts.

Here's a brain teaser for ya':
They're all in the trunk!!! iow, that car runs - it's not fake! :eek:

MatthewRox

02-13-2008, 04:38 PM

You have a proper point...... but 40 Plus Thousand which is still below the Corvette, is still pricey! Get it?

Other buyers wouldn't care, butfor us, we will be going for the Top... and the top can cost us.

When you go beyond 30k, people will be selective and logical in their selection.

For instance, I can't see how a person can pay $60,000 for a Saleen Mustang. The Saleen body parts are under 2000 bucks..... engine mod's etc. is not worth an extra $30,000

The top dog Camaro can't go too high. Where Ford and Dodge have the priveledge to go, basically, as high as they want, Chevy doesn't due to the fact that they will start cannibalizing from the Corvette.

The Ford has the GT...which is $150,000...and Dodge has the Viper $80,000.

Chevy's "big boy" starts MUCH lower than that.

trm0002

02-13-2008, 06:57 PM

You have a proper point...... but 40 Plus Thousand which is still below the Corvette, is still pricey! Get it?

Other buyers wouldn't care, butfor us, we will be going for the Top... and the top can cost us.

When you go beyond 30k, people will be selective and logical in their selection.

For instance, I can't see how a person can pay $60,000 for a Saleen Mustang. The Saleen body parts are under 2000 bucks..... engine mod's etc. is not worth an extra $30,000

You'd be surprised just how much engine mods can be worth. Taken a little out of context, but my understanding is an 800 HP Nascar engine can be worth upwards of 50k on it's own... Don't understand how A+B=D instead of C but that's the way it is...

http://www.hendrickmotorsports.com/tech_engine_faq.asp?dept=engine&bhcp=1

christianjax

02-14-2008, 06:52 AM