It's about time for a Camaro turbo diesel...

2.9L. 250 hp. 406 ft/lbs.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2007/03/x09pt_6c001.jpg


Why? Because Camaro can then contribute to GM's CAFE efforts. And that's a good thing for Camaro. Plus, it'll be very ballsy.

Eh, what do I know - afterall, I'm not a "Camaro enthusiast". :irk:

hmmm...I doubt Camaro would be the first vehicle that a diesel gets put into, as it's not a "high volume" vehicle.:rolleyes: But given time....I can totally see this happening - and I would (if I were in the market) definitely consider one! heehee, 400 ft/lbs and 35+mpg....(drool):bow:

And, c'mon man - can you drop the whole 'not an enthusiast' thing, now? I mean, I understand what your getting at, but please let it go?:yuck:

Charlie...great minds think alike!!

I was just thinking...370ftlbs? What could make 370ftlbs in a V6?
A detuned for America 2.9 diesel engine. It is confirmed that Commodore will be getting one, so would and could this be helpful for Camaro as well as GM? Could this reopen the Zeta files, allowing them to sell more of these vehicles here in the US?

Charlie...great minds think alike!!

I was just thinking...370ftlbs? What could make 370ftlbs in a V6?
A detuned for America 2.9 diesel engine. It is confirmed that Commodore will be getting one, so would and could this be helpful for Camaro as well as GM? Could this reopen the Zeta files, allowing them to sell more of these vehicles here in the US?

The thing is, cost. You'd probably need to pony up afew G's over a gas engine.

But, I'd bet you could get an EPA rating of over 30 mpg in a Camaro. And it would be hoot to drive.

True, but how much more? And how great would this make the Camaro a great catch over seats if and when they introduce these to Europe and Australian markets?

True, but how much more?

I don't know, sounds like at least a couple of grand, maybe even 4 or 5 - I'd guess.

But GM would need to stimulate that end of the market somehow. As long as gas is 3 or 4 bucks per gallon, I think it might be hard sell. GM might need/want to subsidize it.

We don't yet know what the interim CAFE requirements would be. It will certainly be afew more MPG in the next few years than it is now. Having a Camaro that can get 33 or so mpg would be helpful.

I think it is a great interim step while the US gets her energy priorities and policies straightened out. Would that run Bio- Diesel? No reason muscle cars shouldn't be part of the solution. Fast is fast (though I admit I would miss the roar of a large displacement gasoline V-8).:cool:

Forward thinking? Yes. Smart? Maybe. OK Yes.

Do I want a diesel Camaro?

No. And I'm betting that the average Joe buyer PROBABLY doesnt want one either.

He definitely doesn't want one that gets good mileage either.

The average, speaking in terms of majority, person does not care the mileage, as long as it is fast.

2.9L. 250 hp. 406 ft/lbs.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2007/03/x09pt_6c001.jpg


Why? Because Camaro can then contribute to GM's CAFE efforts. And that's a good thing for Camaro. Plus, it'll be very ballsy.

Eh, what do I know - afterall, I'm not a "Camaro enthusiast". :irk:

One thing you and I agree on!!! A performance diesel option should be offered! especially outside the US. you can get just about any car over there in a diesel! Im thinking a smaller version of the duramax would be insane! 400hp and 600ft/lbs of TQ!?!

I think its a great Idea! this would give me a reason to own two camaros one for play and one for a daily driver. The new diesels that come out are much more refined than the ones in the old days. They dont stink so bad, they arent as loud, and they can beat the pants off of any hybrid. Both my parents traded in their chevy comunter cars to get VW diesels cause they get 45 mpg and i also have a chevy truck with a diesel! i would love to see it come with a diesel and get 30+ MPG

I think it is a great interim step while the US gets her energy priorities and policies straightened out. Would that run Bio- Diesel? No reason muscle cars shouldn't be part of the solution. Fast is fast (though I admit I would miss the roar of a large displacement gasoline V-8).:cool:

I'm sort of thinking that CAFE credits from stuff llike this, would keep the gas V8 viable, longer, in the Camaro line up.

Actually I'd seriously consider a twin-turbo 4.5L diesel V8. :D

i agree Charlie.. i think that engine would be a good option.. though many "enthusiests" would gawk at a diesel camaro.. i think its a great idea

I'm sort of thinking that CAFE credits from stuff llike this, would keep the gas V8 viable, longer, in the Camaro line up.


I can definitely see that, though I would like to see long term comitment to an alternative fuel v-8.

i agree Charlie.. i think that engine would be a good option.. though many "enthusiests" would gawk at a diesel camaro.. i think its a great idea


Having driven my brother in law's Power Stroke turbo diesel "work truck", with the full Gale Banks treatment, I think these motors may attract a whole new segment of enthusiasts.

Having driven my brother in law's Power Stroke turbo diesel "work truck", with the full Gale Banks treatment, I think these motors may attract a whole new segment of enthusiasts.Agreed. There's something about a biodiesel Camaro that intrigues me. Perhaps I've had far too much California sun. ;)

I also think we are going to start seeing more and more manufacturers offering diesels as performance models soon. The BMW 335D and various Audis come to mind.

I would hope that GM is also looking at e-85 based performance models, especially if they are investing in saw grass based ethanol.(which looks very promising to me)

I would hope that GM is also looking at e-85 based performance models, especially if they are investing in saw grass based ethanol.(which looks very promising to me)Not to me.

I live in the San Francisco Metropolitan Area. I can buy biodiesel here, but I can't buy E85. If GM were going to build a "greener" performance car for me (nee Camaro), I'd rather it be biodiesel than E85.

The 2.9 and 4.5 are cool alternatives, but the 2.9 will sell in greater numbers. I hope that if it is used, that the price doesnt climb that high. 4k for an engine...thats steep. If they could get it down to a 2-2.5k, could be good news for GM and Camaro.

That 4.5 is a whole lot of motor, with 520 ft/lbs of torque. I know GM says it will go wherever a smallblock goes, but it seems that the intake is quite abit higher than an LSx. Anyways, maybe they can pull that sucker out if we ever get into a diesel torque war.

As long as the Camaro doesn't weigh two tons, I can see the 2.9 propelling it into the high 13's, all while getting maybe 33-35 mpg. Would be cool.

I also think we are going to start seeing more and more manufacturers offering diesels as performance models soon. The BMW 335D and various Audis come to mind.

The Britts seems to be adopting it as a performace option . The video below is of a Astra diesel modded to about hang with the VXr ...the diesel car gets 45 mpg though and is $3000 less .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zo987X-Au48

I think it might be a viable option , it would definately be a ballsy move on GM . There are TONS of diesel enthusists in the states , would a fraction of them give a diesel Camaro a look ? Outside of big trucks , there isnt really a diesel powering anything considered desirable . A gamble for sure . It would be interesting to see how diesel sitting in a performance oriented Camaro sitting on display at Sema would go over .

i'd be interested. they should do a e-85 gas one too.

It would be interesting to see how diesel sitting in a performance oriented Camaro sitting on display at Sema would go over .

Now that would take some stones! I'd bet you'd have a Camaro on the front page of every magazine and website. People would be talking about it for months.

I think it would be a worthy idea of throwing around into a one off concept type car, a Diesel Camaro using the 2.9 as wella s getting some aftermarket companies tied into the working of teh engine. 300hp and 450ftlbs would be an amazing site to see, and all out of 6cyls!! Im sure it would raise a few eyebrows, and possibly get things in motion.

Can you imagine a BullyDog type system for a Camaro with 5 different programmable power levels???!!!
I think it'd be a hit!..
H3LL, you could tow you're Z28 to the track with your other Camaro!.:D:cool::bow:

Can you imagine a BullyDog type system for a Camaro with 5 different programmable power levels???!!!
I think it'd be a hit!..
H3LL, you could tow you're Z28 to the track with your other Camaro!.:D:cool::bow:

Yeah max economy or max performance - and anything in between.

I think it would be a worthy idea of throwing around into a one off concept type car, a Diesel Camaro using the 2.9 as wella s getting some aftermarket companies tied into the working of teh engine. 300hp and 450ftlbs would be an amazing site to see, and all out of 6cyls!! Im sure it would raise a few eyebrows, and possibly get things in motion.

I betcha whatever mods get it to 300 hp will also get you way more torque than 450.

Very possible, i just shifted everything up 50.

I keep thinking of diesel performance, and I dont know why it hasnt caught on as fast as this thing moves..

http://www.totalmotorsport.com/Features/Cars/Storage/Audi-R10-Fside-2006.jpg

i wanna stick with a gasoline performance camaro with the ls3

Anyone notice that the CTS coupe concept has the 2.9L turbo diesel and an M6?

I would definetly consider that, it seems the whole auto industry is about to start doing their best to produce the most fuel efficient cars possible.

Even if gas prices hit a plateau, I think I might be upset if I bought a new car in the next two years, and then in the five after that most cars on the road were getting substantially better MPG.

I'll be taking a "wait and see" approach.

Though there arent that many of them, the road racing guys and the guys who always try and reduce their weight would probably turn their nose to this. Those diesel motors can get quite heavy. But I would definately get one (if I had the money), then wait another six months for the Banks turbo system to be intoduced.

Though there arent that many of them, the road racing guys and the guys who always try and reduce their weight would probably turn their nose to this. Those diesel motors can get quite heavy. But I would definately get one (if I had the money), then wait another six months for the Banks turbo system to be intoduced.


I don't know what a 2.9 diesel weighs, but I agree, it's probably no lighteight.

Anyway, the whole deal with this, is not necessarily to create the ultimate performing Camaro, but rather an interesting and fun to drive powertrain choice, which might help Camaro become a CAFE positive car line for GM.

I don't know what a 2.9 diesel weighs, but I agree, it's probably no lighteight.

Anyway, the whole deal with this, is not necessarily to create the ultimate performing Camaro, but rather an interesting and fun to drive powertrain choice, which might help Camaro become a CAFE positive car line for GM.

...with a side effect of not being slow snail-like hybrid :)

...with a side effect of not being slow snail-like hybrid :)

Oh...not slow at all. And would a hybrid Camaro get 35-ish mpg? Doubt it.

Oh...not slow at all. And would a hybrid Camaro get 35-ish mpg? Doubt it.Excellent point that the Camaro-hybrid advocates are missing. With the battery requirements to net 35+ mpg such a vehicle may weigh close to 5000-lbs. Not very Camarolike is it? ;)

Diesel is a better short term solution imho. A twin-turbo 4.5L would provide some serious hp and torque. :D

Guys, all i can say is if you can't afford the gas you can't afford the car.

for those that think a diesel camaro is wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5fGT7NUv9E


55mpg!

if u guys are concerned about gas mileage that much maybe the camaro isnt for you its very unlikely that gm is going to put a tubro disel in the camaro maybe a v6 hybrid gm wont change what has been powering the camaro for 35 years which is a gasoline motor

if u guys are concerned about gas mileage that much maybe the camaro isnt for you its very unlikely that gm is going to put a tubro disel in the camaro maybe a v6 hybrid gm wont change what has been powering the camaro for 35 years which is a gasoline motor
then the camaro will die. times are changing. mileage will be a factor in lots of peoples minds.

i can see a hybrid v6 but im srry but i cant see a turbo diesel in a camaro

Diesel in a camaro??? I guess anything is possible. Personally I wouldn't want it for my own biased reasons. Now when I meet up with my camaro buddies, we can talk about HP, dragging, and .....MPG???

The only problem with the Diesel is winter time temperatures actually freeze or gel diesel fuel, so if you plan on winter driving you need an additive. Even if you don't and plan on storing your diesel, you will possibly have fuel line breakage problems if you don't run the additive pre-freeze. Also for you weight minded people, ie. everyone, the catalytic converters on the new high efficiency motors is rather large. The ones in the newer dodge rams weigh in at around 75 pounds, and is the size of a watermelon, placement and weight issues abound.

Very possible, i just shifted everything up 50.

I keep thinking of diesel performance, and I dont know why it hasnt caught on as fast as this thing moves..

http://www.totalmotorsport.com/Features/Cars/Storage/Audi-R10-Fside-2006.jpg

Probably because most people only see it as a novelty. Besides, the rules favor heavily for the diesel in AMLS. Gotta draw a crowd somehow.

Although I don't think it is a bad idea, the 5th gen is likely going to be heavy enough without a diesel. This hypothetical diesel could easily push the car past two tons, with way more weight on the nose then there should be. And with only 250hp, if the car weighs two tons, it isn't going to be skimming 13s at all.

I don't think it has been posted, but let's not forget that diesel costs about 60-70 cents more per gallon than regular, from what I have seen. The performance is good, and the gas milage would be better, but would it be enough to overcome the huge premium for the cost of the fuel?

Although I don't think it is a bad idea, the 5th gen is likely going to be heavy enough without a diesel. This hypothetical diesel could easily push the car past two tons, with way more weight on the nose then there should be. And with only 250hp, if the car weighs two tons, it isn't going to be skimming 13s at all.The next gen 4.5L Duramax isn't any bigger than the LSx package. :p

250hp and 400+ ft-lbs of torque. :p

I'm thinking a smaller v6 diesel would do alright with DOHC. SOmewhere int he 3-3.4L range.

Too bad it takes a year or two for development of engines like that though.

if u guys are concerned about gas mileage that much maybe the camaro isnt for you its very unlikely that gm is going to put a tubro disel in the camaro maybe a v6 hybrid gm wont change what has been powering the camaro for 35 years which is a gasoline motorI want to be able to still drive my Camaro in 20 years when gasoline no longer exists. Biodiesel is much easier to synthesis than ethanol (E85 still contains gasoline btw). :p

The next gen 4.5L Duramax isn't any bigger than the LSx package. :p

I am damn sure it is heavier though. In a car that is already likely to be more portly than many on here would appreciate. Besides, everyone can talk about 400lb-ft of torque all they want, with 250hp that diesel is likely to be much slower than the rumored v6 car. In an even heavier package.

If GM can do it and development costs are minimal, then sure, why not. Someone will buy them. I am just lost on the benefits of this engine in a performance car.

I want to be able to still drive my Camaro in 20 years when gasoline no longer exists. Biodiesel is much easier to synthesis than ethanol (E85 still contains gasoline btw). :p

Run your gas engine on full alcohol then.

Expensive, yes. I bet in 20 years all things internal combustion engine will be expensive though.

call it an epic thread from the dead, or whatever you want.

I think it is about time for a turbo diesel Camaro. The idea of gobs of torque, great fuel mileage, reliability, among others and just in general something different. It's no coincidence that Europe has a large diesel vehicle market, especially with $5.00/gal+ fuel prices.

Well I built one.

The car started as a base model Southern 1994 Camaro V6, 4L60E, drum rear brakes, power nothing, and 114,000 miles. Then stuffed a 6.5L V8 turbo diesel engine and 4L80E trans from a 1994 Chevrolet Truck. Rear mounted turbocharger, external wastegate, fuel cell are just a few attributes.

here are some pics and a couple short vids. Enjoy! Edit:havin' trouble loading pics

Cody

Vids...

Idle/Walkaround
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01216.flv

Fly-by
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01332.flv

call it an epic thread from the dead, or whatever you want.

I think it is about time for a turbo diesel Camaro. The idea of gobs of torque, great fuel mileage, reliability, among others and just in general something different. It's no coincidence that Europe has a large diesel vehicle market, especially with $5.00/gal+ fuel prices.

Well I built one.

The car started as a base model Southern 1994 Camaro V6, 4L60E, drum rear brakes, power nothing, and 114,000 miles. Then stuffed a 1994 6.5L turbo diesel engine and 4L80E trans from a 1994 Chevrolet Truck. Rear mounted turbocharger, external wastegate, fuel cell are just a few attributes.

here are some pics and a couple short vids. Enjoy! Edit:havin' trouble loading pics

Cody

Vids...

Idle/Walkaround
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01216.flv

Fly-by
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01332.flv



Wow! :thumb:

I can't agree but each to their own opinions.

I heard a V6 Camaro the other day with the driver giving it some stick... it didn't sound too good to my ears.

Granted, the V6 Camaro is what will make up the bulk of production numbers but it's the V8 that makes the car what it is.

I'm not so sure about the idea of 4 cyl turbos or diesels being made available to Camaro. It's a bit like saying we'll make a car for all types... but I'm not convinced that the 'all types' will buy it.

A diesel engined Camaro isn't something I'd like to hear drive past me. But that's just me.

what? you don't like the sound of a turbo spooling up?

The 4.5L turbo diesel would be an awesome engine for the Camaro. If/when that engine finally hits production, it will be one of the most technologically advanced engines available. DOHC, direct injection, compressed graphite block, turbo mounted between the heads, etc. The Camaro's chassis should be strong enough to stand up to 520ft-lbs since there is a pretty good chance the engineers were expecting the LSA to make its way under the hood eventually. Sure, it will be heavier than an aluminum block engine, but it should still be capable of getting over 30miles per gallon while being capable of running 13s off the showroom floor.

what? you don't like the sound of a turbo spooling up?

The 4.5L turbo diesel would be an awesome engine for the Camaro. If/when that engine finally hits production, it will be one of the most technologically advanced engines available. DOHC, direct injection, compressed graphite block, turbo mounted between the heads, etc. The Camaro's chassis should be strong enough to stand up to 520ft-lbs since there is a pretty good chance the engineers were expecting the LSA to make its way under the hood eventually. Sure, it will be heavier than an aluminum block engine, but it should still be capable of getting over 30miles per gallon while being capable of running 13s off the showroom floor.

Diesels sound agricultural (pun intended). ;)

I just think the current GM V8s do the job expected for what is ultimately a performance coupe. A DI injected V8 would be an even better alternative, IMO. :D

Anyway, if GM decide the diesel engine is worth its entry price, then I'd like to see them go the 4.5L V8 option. But I keep asking myself why diesel in a Camaro?

How things have changed since I started this thread 15 months ago. Both the 2.9 and 4.5 have been cancelled, for one thing.

hm....diesel camaro. My friend has an 09 chevy dually that is diesel and it is a beast. My concern with these newer diesels though are the exhaust filters. That is the only problem that he has had with his truck. Otherwise, the concept seems pretty neat to me

How things have changed since I started this thread 15 months ago. Both the 2.9 and 4.5 have been cancelled, for one thing.

yes, just like the Camaro was canceled several years ago, but alas, it has returned...

And I agree, go straight to the V8 for the Camaro.

Wow. And I thought my Formula sounded like a school bus at idle some times ;)

I would definitely think about a turbo diesel Camaro. Good economy and ridiculous potential for boost.

Finally got a chance to watch the videos. That car sounds simply wicked. Well done! :thumb:

I think the Diesel idea is great!! It would open up a whole new area of the market for the Camaro, and that is want GM needs. It would be different to pull up next to one of those!

Of all the alternatives out there to boost fuel economy and decrease our dependence on imported oil, next to CNG diesel IMO is the best, most easily done with the most minimal investment.

Although diesels don't come close in horsepower to similar gasoline engines (most vehicles today have artificially low top speed governers anyway), they tend to have more torque (acceleration and "pull").

I think this engine as an option in a Camaro (especially since it's going into Commodores & Luminas...and probably Statesmans and Caprices as well), I don't see a reason why it couldn't or shouldn't go into Camaros as well.

Only 2 issues.

First, refineries and oil companies here in the US almost seem to be discouraging production of diesel (high prices compared to gas, relatively low production amounts).

Second, pollution standards that seem set to doom it here in the US outside of trucks.

For a while the price of diesel around here was about the same as gasoline

Of all the alternatives out there to boost fuel economy and decrease our dependence on imported oil, next to CNG diesel IMO is the best, most easily done with the most minimal investment. Biodiesel

Although diesels don't come close in horsepower to similar gasoline engines (most vehicles today have artificially low top speed governers anyway), they tend to have more torque (acceleration and "pull").

I think this engine as an option in a Camaro (especially since it's going into Commodores & Luminas...and probably Statesmans and Caprices as well), I don't see a reason why it couldn't or shouldn't go into Camaros as well.

Only 2 issues.

First, refineries and oil companies here in the US almost seem to be discouraging production of diesel (high prices compared to gas, relatively low production amounts). Within $0.10 between the two around here. As for production. Are you including all the Diesel Tractor/trailers, Construction Equipment, Light Cars/Trucks, Farm tractors?

Second, pollution standards that seem set to doom it here in the US outside of trucks.

Agreed. However, the adaptation of the DPF filter additional to the Catalytic converter has significantly improved the emmisions of diesel engines. That along with the common rail DI, VVT turbochargers, and 4 valve heads. These thing run clean.

I believe Diesels, depending on vehicle class also need to meet similar Strict CAFE standards as gasoline.

I hope a someone from GM reads this and at least designs a prototype Diesel Camaro. Like a concept car. Then show everybody what it's capable of. Which is what I am doing.

Thanks for all the compliments guys!
Cody

I think around here there is a $0.10 difference, easily made up by the higher mpg. About 6 months ago, it was about 2x more expensive though.

....... Put it in the Malibu..... that would be sweet. Then GM could go after those Europeans who think there diesels are the green cars for tommorow.

....... Put it in the Malibu..... that would be sweet. Then GM could go after those Europeans who think there diesels are the green cars for tommorow.
I doubt the Malibu's transaxle can hold >400ft-lbs.

But they do sell Ecotec diesels in Europe that should fit.

I'm feeling inspired. I now know what my next project car will be. (After I finish the two I already have.) I'm going to purchase a early 1970's Camaro or Firebird and drop in a mid 90s GM truck turbo diesel drivetrain then convert it over to biodiesel. It will be a few years before I get it done, but I hope to have it all planned out in advance. (It'll be my mid-life crisis/retirement project. ;) )

i dont know if this was a repost or not but i was looking in one of my car mags, (automobile,car&driver ?) but there was a test in there of a new audi a4 sedan v. bmw 3 series sedan diesel. it was pretty amazing the horsepower and especailly the torque gains, that diesel had overthe gas motor. they said something like, the torque was at 80% of full potential through majority of the rpm's. it has some pretty promising power. i wouldnt not be opposed to some sort of a diesel alternatice, if it had power like i saw from this bmw3 series. i think it was over 400 ft lb tq. and diesel isnt as loud as they used to be. they are a lot quieter.

Not a Camaro, but check this "biodiesel" conversion out:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1105369002.html

ive seen those conversion on "TRUCKS" on powerblock. but they made their own veggie oil diesel gas. they converted a truck to run on veggie oil but then they converted the oil into some tye of "gas" for the truck. pretty cool stuff.

Update:

Car is STILL running top notch, adjusted shift points, max RPM, added some timing and tried some B20 Biodiesel. Less smoke, more power, and the smell of French Fries. MmmmMmm....

1320 coming soon.


Cody

First of all I am new to this board. I was looking around for the release date for the new Camaro and stumbled into the tread. So please don't hate me for what I am going to say.

A new Camaro with the 4.9 Duramax would be killer. The sound of a turbo spooling up in a modern muscle car like the Camaro would unlike anything heard today. I am a diesel convert. Having a been around them with my dad who is a professional truck driver and having friends with them, I cannot understand people that don't love them.

I can only see positives from a diesel Camaro. Why not have the power of a
V8 with the economy of a V6? Hell, there will be tuner kits for these cars that could make even more power and still get great mileage. I mean really gas is on the way out and diesel will step up.

By the way there is a Furd Crapstang that is running a 6.6 Duramax that will run 9 and maybe even 8's while getting 30+ mpg. How cool is that?

welcome to the board tbarnhart!

I agree, a 2010 Camaro with the 4.5L Duramax would be wicked!

And the Mustang with the D-max, that car is suprising ALOT of people. This is what I intend to do.

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Cody Loeser

welcome to the board tbarnhart!

I agree, a 2010 Camaro with the 4.5L Duramax would be wicked!

And the Mustang with the D-max, that car is suprising ALOT of people. This is what I intend to do.

If anyone is really interested in a fully hand built 4th Gen Diesel Camaro our team here at LMS is ready to suit you. The only thing holding me back from building more is investment$$$$.

The owner would receive a one of a kind car. Full build sheet, build pictures, and of course a warranty. Every detail documented.

The car would be set up similarly to the prototype you see here. However, there are options for the buyer.

A donor drivetrain and donor 4th Gen Camaro/Firebird will be hand selected to use for the project. Or if price isn't a concern to the buyer. A brand new GM crate 6.5L Diesel can be used, along with a new 4L80E transmission. Again, many options.

I as the owner of LMS, am very proud of my accomplishment. Now, since gaining the skills throughout the years as a car builder, am confident LMS can provide a very dependable Diesel powered F-body.

We have not decided on a final cost yet, but it will be below the cost of a new 2010 Camaro. when all said and done.

Time frame for completing one has been estimated at 6-8 months with the workforce we have now.

Why? It is my dream to provide a different option in the American Muscle scene. This is how I decided to go about that.

There are many innovations already implanted into the current prototype Diesel Camaro. I have many Documents with new ideas as well.

I am a young, honest businessman who is looking to fulfill a dream, while wholeheartedly satisfying my customers.

If you have any questions, email me at Rafedial1@hotmail.com

Cody Loeser


Good for you Cody. :thumb: Keep us up to date.

Final Price Issued....see post

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Haven't posted to this thread yet.....

Hell no. A turbodiesel in the Camaro would only make worse the few weaknesses the car already has. It would increase forward weight bias and add at least 100lbs to the curb weight while offering less acceleration.

It'd perform like torque biased V6 version of the car with more weight and less handling, and no advantage at the pump at all when you take the higher cost of the engine and fuel and the already excellent economy of the V6.

And it'd sound boring as hell. I do like the smell of diesel fuel tho.

Camaro needs tech-substance, not one off tricks. I fully admit that the idea of a diesel in the camaro is pretty cool, but judging by the performance of the DI V6, Camaro might be better served by waiting for the next-gen, which will undoubtedly be downsized, before implimenting a diesel. Perhaps by then the car can lose 400lbs and a smaller displacement diesel would make more sense as an even more fuel efficient lower rung engine. For now we've already got the fuel economy of the V6 and the tire roasting torque of the corvette engine.

I mean no disrespect to the guys working on this project, I just don't see that it would have any substantial market support given the already excellent performance and economy of the DI V6. The 4th Gen F-body project with a diesel is a great idea and would likely result in absolutely ridiculous mileage (400lbs less weight and the aerodynamics of a suppository have their benefits!) as well as performance on par with or slightly better than, the 5th gen V-6.

I respectfully disagree with you. Either the V6 or V8 turbo diesel would be a good engine for the Camaro.

The V8 TD would probably add weight, but we don't know how much. I am sure it would get better fuel economy than the LLT while providing the acceleration that would split the difference of the current models. If it weighs 100 pounds more than the LSx, then that would be less than a 3% increase in total mass. Maybe only offer it with 19" wheels to offset the extra weight. :D

The V6 TD would probably weigh about as much as the LSx, but again, we don't know for sure yet. It should be able to get 35mpg on the highway with acceleration that would be very close to the LLT due to the extra 130+ ft-lbs and numerically lower gearing that it would get.

I am seeing diesel prices the same as regular gasoline around here.

Haven't posted to this thread yet.....



And it'd sound boring as hell. I do like the smell of diesel fuel tho.



yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uFcvZuB2n4

diesel is an ugly dirty word. My mission is to make people understand that Diesel is the backbone of our trucking (freight) world. think about it. And if we need a real NOW world solution to our dependancy on foreign oil, Simply retrofit to Biodiesel. made from soybean, corn, seaweed, the list goes on. When your gasonline prices skyrocket in the next few years, maybe some people will look at alternative. After all you can't have all the stupid chit people buy without traveling on a Diesel truck, or Diesel electric train at some point. Wake up!

would anybody mind a 500lb-ft torque and 30 mpg average? think I am lying?.....

I'm not saying gas engines are bad in any way. I LOVE the LSx engines. The car in my sig, I didn't build it to run 10s in the 1/4, and I really didn;t do anything that spectacular, it's just different. I took two very old ideas (Diesel and Muscle Car) and combined them. basically life is a puzzle, we all try to learn what pieces are which, but we each have a different puzzle. Some people have similar pieces as others. Some don't. It's all how they fit together that matters. right?

yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uFcvZuB2n4

diesel is an ugly dirty word. My mission is to make people understand that Diesel is the backbone of our trucking (freight) world. think about it. And if we need a real NOW world solution to our dependancy on foreign oil, Simply retrofit to Biodiesel. made from soybean, corn, seaweed, the list goes on. When your gasonline prices skyrocket in the next few years, maybe some people will look at alternative. After all you can't have all the stupid chit people buy without traveling on a Diesel truck, or Diesel electric train at some point. Wake up!

would anybody mind a 500lb-ft torque and 30 mpg average? think I am lying?.....

I'm not saying gas engines are bad in any way. I LOVE the LSx engines. The car in my sig, I didn't build it to run 10s in the 1/4, and I really didn;t do anything that spectacular, it's just different. I took two very old ideas (Diesel and Muscle Car) and combined them. basically life is a puzzle, we all try to learn what pieces are which, but we each have a different puzzle. Some people have similar pieces as others. Some don't. It's all how they fit together that matters. right?

I honestly don't really care for how that clip sounds. It's not bad, it's just not what I'd be after.

I'm not sayin' it's not cool...but I really don't think that there's a mass market for it. The engines cost more, and to get them modified to have LSx performance only ups the cost. The torque is awesome I'm sure.

As a long range cruiser it'd be great, because the highway mileage would be approaching the levels enjoyed by some hybrids...but the overall cost of it wouldn't economically offset the decreased fuel economy. Great for people who want something different, but the mass appeal of it is lacking. Until GM offers a high volume production diesel engine that's geared towards performance, it'll stay that way. And they shelved their diesel efforts for a while.

It's certainly a better idea than making a HYBRID Camaro, that's for damn sure. The hundreds of extra pounds required for batteries, coupled with the decrease in interior room resultant of making a car that was never intended to be a hybrid into one....just makes no sense. The fact that hybrids don't help the environment at all due to the processes involved in manufacturing them and their batteries just makes them...kind of a total write off in my book. Hurray! My car has less tailpipe emissions than my neighbors, I've successfully moved the pollution to a factory where they can buy rights to make more pollution.

So yeah. It's a good idea but in terms of what GM itself can do right now it wouldn't work. Like I said in my first post....probably a great idea for 6th gen camaro, which will undoubtedly lose several hundred pounds if it gets made. By then GM will likely have dumped money into diesel technology.

You know what I'd wanna see more than anything in terms of a dream engine for the 5th gen? Somebody needs to drop one of the crate engine 3 rotor turbo wankels that mazda offers into one of these things. 100 pounds lighter than the v-6, 400+ horsepower and torque....THAT would just be ridiculously awesome.

updated pics of the car.....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01979.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01980.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01982.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01986.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01985.jpg

the exhuast is hilarious looking until you see the engine badging. underhood pics?

Neat pictures. neat project. Love diesels. Just did oil change on my old 03 Jetta TDI(Turbo diesel) and she purrs like a kitten at 277,000 kms. Here is the problem. it does not make sense for GM to build it. Wrong platform. This company is living on borrowed time and money. The car is too heavy and the engines make it heavier and the car would not come in a a reasonable price point. Diesel owners are CHEAP. Even guys who buy ML320's (MB) . Yes I know the torque...its amazing ...yes I know the economy...its amazing. The challenge is that I bought my 5th Gen SS for a FUN car. Camaro's wont be commuting all over america. Lets face it they just wont. GM needs "deperately" to have winner after winner. Here is a winner. A decontented 6 speed manual Malibu with a DSG option for low money with a 120 hp/200 ft lbs torque with pretty wheels, PW,PL,Cruise and air and a good sound system and maybe a sunroof option. Secondly, a 90HP/160 ft lb Chevy cruise /Volt type car. Same equipment.
Canada and America need these cars NOW. Commuter cars with world class looks and safety that have starting prices that are VERY reasonable . There is also a Market for CTS diesel with a DSG (Direct shift gearbox). At benz every day people come in to showrooms and ask about a C class Diesel.
And of course a Chevy Traverse Diesel.
The Camaro diesel is a dream....but GM does not have the money to screw around with very low volume cars. I want GM to build my 6th Gen in 4-6 yrs. Wont happen if they spend millions building Camaro diesels .
By the way I have been a diesel owner and Camaro owner for 30+ yrs.
Cheers.