First engine bay shots of the new Chevy Camaro

We've got first engine bay shots of the Chevy Camaro -- plus some more interior shots with a bit more detail:

First 2009 Chevy Camaro Engine Bay Photos, Also With Motion Blur (http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-2009-chevy-camaro-engine-bay-photos-also-with-motion-blur)

Ray

to bad its the v6 instead of the v8. But thanks bro!

Can Anyone tell what engine that is. PLEASE SPEAK ITS A V6! I cant wait. Doesnt it kinda look like a CTS engine ? 3.6L maybe ?

gey

nice quote:
"the engine bay of the new RWD Aussie mullet-master"

Gads. Isn't it about time someone fired (and prosecuted) that photographer?

They are interesting pix... but geez. :rolleyes:

Man, that's blurry!!!! There was also a bunch more interior pics. Me likey :drool:

Glad to see shocks holding the hood up, Not really a big deal but, I like them. It appears the camaro will not be reving past 6 grand, of course this is pure guessing on the tach pic.

Looks better and better as the photo quality improves. A lot like the exterior shots.

BTW is it me or is the battery missing from the engine bay. Could it be in the trunk for balance?

Don't know, but it needs brake fluid!

:lol:

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/smallish_2228670751_aea60221df_o.jpg

im really starting to like the interior alot
lets hope the next engine bay shots we see the ls7:D

Okay, GM needs to hire me as a consultant -- Scott-- got any good contacts inside that little company of yours that wants to hire a respectable college grad that understands the automotive market? :D

Nice looking V6...Don't care much what it is, because I'll probably opt for the V8. I don't care what that is, either, as long as it can max out that little "torque" gauge on the console :D

I feel like the genie lamp I was rubbing when we were all dreaming last year popped out and granted a wish. I wrote about a heads up display between the gauges. I asked for something other than a square key and a round key--perhaps something that was an all-inclusive remote. I asked for round shifter ball to preserve the heritage--viola! Lots of backlighting behind switches and knobs--check! It's all there...Those things are going to really make the sale for people looking for a car with performance AND a level of sophistication matched with quality.

This car is going to sell like hotcakes. (Okay if I get that wrong...I'm not in sales...sheesh, give me a break)

The oil pressure (indicated on the console gauge) seems awfully low. ;)

I like what I see so far! I'm now slightly less concerned about the choice of font on the speedo/tach.

Nice integrated keyfob. Also, the door panel has a neat-looking layout. I wonder what that button does!

OMG!!!!!11111!!!! It only has V6!!!!! I'm soooooo not buyin dat car!!!

/end sarcasm

I like the key fob. Hopefully better security than other GM cars. I hate the fact that I can steal my Yukon with a screwdriver.

Also, the door panel has a neat-looking layout. I wonder what that button does!

Trunk release.

There's a few things I am not 100% fond of (like many here) but the more pics I see, the more I am liking it as a whole. :D

The $64,000 question is this. I see the elbow type MAF pipe like you'd find in the GTO. Does this mean that the V6 cars will not have the mail box slot scoop on the front? And will ANY cars actually use a front mounted airbox/OTRCAI type that takes advantage of the scoop?

If both of those are yes, then at least they got something right. If the non-functional scoop is just there for styling purposes, then :death:

I like the key fob. Hopefully better security than other GM cars. I hate the fact that I can steal my Yukon with a screwdriver.

I'm liking that key and fob. That little circle on it => Remote Start :cool:

Wow, fantastic! I'm really liking it more and more.

More interior shots:
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/

Trunk release.

You think? That's an awful front and center spot for it.

Looks more like power outside mirror controls to me. Notice what looks like a small toggle below it for R/L select.

The $64,000 question is this. I see the elbow type MAF pipe like you'd find in the GTO. Does this mean that the V6 cars will not have the mail box slot scoop on the front? And will ANY cars actually use a front mounted airbox/OTRCAI type that takes advantage of the scoop?

Hard telling...they might have just grabbed a GTO engine and put it in there and made it work for the time being.

As I always say (among other things), f-body people are very resourceful. I'll bet that if it doesn't work from the factory, someone will find a way to make it work.

Oh...and they need to take the camera away from Joe Cocker and give it to someone else from now on.

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/smallish_2229463648_9fc90dc855_o.jpg


*Edit: I can't seem to link the larger pics???

At least this answers the torque guage question... its a V6! Maybe the supercharged V8 will get a boost guage instead. :D

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

Maybe its the "enable spy pix" button. (Clearly not working yet on this prototype) ;)

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.

You think? That's an awful front and center spot for it.

Looks more like power outside mirror controls to me. Notice what looks like a small toggle below it for R/L select.

Actually I was referring to the little button on the lower door trim with a pic of a car on it. That looks like a trunk release because thats where it is on Nissans.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599911

Yeah the other one higher up is for mirrors.

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.
I don't know what that button does. But I wanted it to be BLACK! I'm going with you!

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.

:confused:

I was trying to ask a legitimate question.

I love the damn car :eek: :bow:

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/smallish_2229463648_9fc90dc855_o.jpg


*Edit: I can't seem to link the larger pics???
Selectable Posi!! :metal:

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/smallish_2229463648_9fc90dc855_o.jpg


*Edit: I can't seem to link the larger pics???

Maybe its the "enable spy pix" button. (Clearly not working yet on this prototype) ;)

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.

12V accessory port? It looks like there's a hinge just below the hazard light and a little grab handle at the bottom.

Hard telling...they might have just grabbed a GTO engine and put it in there and made it work for the time being.

As I always say (among other things), f-body people are very resourceful. I'll bet that if it doesn't work from the factory, someone will find a way to make it work.

Oh...and they need to take the camera away from Joe Cocker and give it to someone else from now on.

And that's defiitely possible. I REALLY hope they wouldn't be so lame as to put a non-functional scoop on any of the cars, but they did it to the 05-06 GTO so anything is possible. I mean, it *has* to have scoops or it's obviously not fast...

As for whether or not someone who was resourceful could make it work, problem is, there has to be enough room between the radiator and the hood to pass a reasonable size intake pipe through, as well as room to mount a MAF since most people are not ready to take the tuning plunge to get rid of it. Both of these are issues with the 05-06 GTO (04s have more space between the radiator and hood though and in Oz, going MAF-less is all the rage so OTRCAIs were common for the monaro until 05)

:confused:

I was trying to ask a legitimate question.

I love the damn car :eek: :bow:
He's just messing with us (witness the winky). I love it too!

Actually I was referring to the little button on the lower door trim with a pic of a car on it. That looks like a trunk release because thats where it is on Nissans.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599911

Yeah the other one higher up is for mirrors.

I didn't even notice the lower button, whoops.

Wait till Scott see`s these....Talk about going to be pissed as an understatement.....:eek:

I like the trim panels, the key fob, push button would have been cool like on my c6 but no matter.This is most likely a base car and if that is a 3.6DI motor in the base, then the other 2 motors should be v8`s...:D Hopefully anyways....;)

Actually I was referring to the little button on the lower door trim with a pic of a car on it. That looks like a trunk release because thats where it is on Nissans.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599911

Yeah the other one higher up is for mirrors.

Fuel door popper ;)

Any guess as to what the "lock" and "unlock" things are for below the hazzard light button?

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/smallish_2229463648_9fc90dc855_o.jpg


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Would it be nuts to think, the little graphic below the lock symbol is a headset? If so, it might be an iPod jack or USB port.

Also - notice the 'menu select' button on the head unit :cool:

(p.s. I'm looking at the 1280 res pix up on Jalopnik)

edit: never mind. Looks like a closed hasp. Maybe it's the hood release?

12V accessory port? It looks like there's a hinge just below the hazard light and a little grab handle at the bottom.

It's definitely a door of some type.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229463766_852596560b_o.jpg

Push the top to pop the door open, push the bottom to lock it closed. The only thing that makes sense is a 12V accessory port.

Trunk release.

You think? That's an awful front and center spot for it.

Looks more like power outside mirror controls to me. Notice what looks like a small toggle below it for R/L select.

I think Grip is looking at the same button I am (just behind the lower storage bin), and that notgetleft is looking at a different button (upper right of the pic).

I also suspect that it is the trunk release, and I think that's a great spot for it.

hazzard light
:lol:

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.
:think: Okay, either Jason is drunk or somebody else got a hold of his account password.

^What do y'all call 'em up in michigan? :D

Would it be nuts to think, the little graphic below the lock symbol is a headset? If so, it might be an iPod jack or USB port.Look again. I see a "lock" symbol not a headset. Also based on the size and similar ports on other GM products, I still believe its a 12V accessory port.

It's definitely a door of some type.


Push the top to pop the door open, push the bottom to lock it closed. The only thing that makes sense is a 12V accessory port.

Looks kinda small for that, don't it?

Looks kinda small for that, don't it?It looks exactly the right size to me. (Cigarette lighter size in fact.) ;)

^What do y'all call 'em up in michigan? :D

Dukes of Hazzard

Hazard Lights

An ipod/mp3 jack wouldn't necessarily need a cover would it? (fwiw, its a stupid location for the hazard button, but I guess that's the price we pay for a car that can easily be converted to rhd.)

Oh, :lol: Whoops, spell check didn't catch that one!

An ipod/mp3 jack wouldn't necessarily need a cover would it? (fwiw, its a stupid location for the hazard button, but I guess that's the price we pay for a car that can easily be converted to rhd.)

How is front and center a stupid location for a hazard button?

The only thing that bothers me is the max of 370 on the torque gauge. It's way too high for a V6 and it's too low to be for an LS3 or L76.

How is front and center a stupid location for a hazard button? I'd rather have it on the steering column. :p

The only thing that bothers me is the max of 370 on the torque gauge. It's way too high for a V6 and it's too low to be for an LS3 or L76.But now we know the car in question is a V6. So maybe its a BIG six. :D

I'd rather have it on the steering column. :p

That's where it's been on lots of cars in the past, but I always thought it was a terrible place for it. You can't even see it from the driver's seat!

That's where it's been on lots of cars in the past, but I always thought it was a terrible place for it. You can't even see it from the driver's seat!Isn't the idea to be able to find it quickly but not accidently trip it while driving? It seems to me that once the airbag deploys, you'd have a hard time reaching for it on the center of the dash... but then I guess everyone would know you're in trouble if the airbag deployed. :D

It's definitely a door of some type.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229463766_852596560b_o.jpg

Push the top to pop the door open, push the bottom to lock it closed. The only thing that makes sense is a 12V accessory port.

...Or a central door lock/unlock button. I didn't see one on the doors...in fact, i don't even see lock knobs on the doors which means they've probably used an electronic locking system similar to what they've been using in German cars for quite a number of years :)

At 15 mph, the doors lock and the button changes colors to let you know the door is locked. When you stop the car and park, the doors unlock, and there are no knobs/switches to push or pull. Only buttons to push.

Hate to be a master of the obvious here... but since the doors skins don't seem to have a lock/unlock button... maybe that is a door lock/unlock button in the middle? Hmm... ;) Just a thought...

Looks to me like that button has a lip on the bottom to make it easier to push the bottom part... it catches your finger.

Not a bad idea... I know a lot of people that have a tendency to lock their doors on accident if they use the door handles/ledges to get out... I kinda like the lock button in the middle. Just use the key fob to lock it when you get out... and that button to lock from the inside...

Isn't the idea to be able to find it quickly but not accidently trip it while driving? It seems to me that once the airbag deploys, you'd have a hard time reaching for it on the center of the dash... but then I guess everyone would know you're in trouble if the airbag deployed. :D
The airbags don't stay deployed. They collapse immediately. Besides, hazard lights don't mean "I just crashed."

...Or a central door lock/unlock button. I didn't see one on the doors...in fact, i don't even see lock knobs on the doors which means they've probably used an electronic locking system similar to what they've been using in German cars for quite a number of years :)

Interesting.

I hope they don't do the 15mph thing. I much prefer to have the doors to lock right away (when you put the car in gear, or when you release the e-brake on a manual transmission car) than to have them do it once you're already rolling.

...Or a central door lock/unlock button. I didn't see one on the doors...in fact, i don't even see lock knobs on the doors which means they've probably used an electronic locking system similar to what they've been using in German cars for quite a number of years :)Definitely not. It is definitely a little cover that opens hinging just below the hazard light/switch. I still say 12V accessory port.

...Or a central door lock/unlock button. I didn't see one on the doors...in fact, i don't even see lock knobs on the doors which means they've probably used an electronic locking system similar to what they've been using in German cars for quite a number of years :)

At 15 mph, the doors lock and the button changes colors to let you know the door is locked. When you stop the car and park, the doors unlock, and there are no knobs/switches to push or pull. Only buttons to push.

Ah crap ya beat me to it!!! :p I was typing when you posted!

Actually I was referring to the little button on the lower door trim with a pic of a car on it. That looks like a trunk release because thats where it is on Nissans.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599911

Yeah the other one higher up is for mirrors.

Agreed. Definitely trunk release. :D

The airbags don't stay deployed. They collapse immediately. Besides, hazard lights don't mean "I just crashed."



Interesting.

I hope they don't do the 15mph thing. I much prefer to have the doors to lock right away (when you put the car in gear, or when you release the e-brake on a manual transmission car) than to have them do it once you're already rolling.

If it's like any car they've made, you will be able to disable the automatic locks.

PLUS, THE LOCK/UNLOCK button will now be reachable from the rear seats.

Definitely not. It is definitely a little cover that opens hinging just below the hazard light/switch. I still say 12V accessory port.

I disagree but hey we will find out when the car is debuted later this year! :)

I don't see why they would put a lock/unlock symbol over a 12V source honestly... and its too small for a cigarette lighter type. WAY too small.

WOW - GM really did a much better job with the interior of this car than with the previously leaked car! ;)


I'm liking that key and fob. That little circle on it => Remote Start :cool:

So... That means they will make remote start available on the M6? I figured it would be available on the auto, but had conceded it would probably not be off the table for us enthusiasts :D

Also, I am voting for the flip-out key fob as well!

Is it me or did our super secret photographer catch the top of his buzz cut head in this picture of the overhead console/rearview mirror. Left side of the reflection looks like a head with very short hair. Hard to make out.... But maybe some clues as to whom is having their way with this Camaro prototype. With the time spent opening doors, hoods and sitting in the car why would they not just get a digital camara?

It would seem that this car is off GM grounds and in some garage where it's under minimal security.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599983

Hey gang. Look at the rearview mirror. The button on the far left. Phone symbol? Bluetooth?

Is it me or did our super secret photographer catch the top of his buzz cut head in this picture of the overhead console/rearview mirror. Left side of the reflection looks like a head with very short hair. Hard to make out.... But maybe some clues as to whom is having their way with this Camaro prototype. Buzz cut? Scott!?! ;)

I was trying to ask a legitimate question.

:lol: I was just joking around, having some fun. :p

I don't see why they would put a lock/unlock symbol over a 12V source honestly... and its too small for a cigarette lighter type. WAY too small.The unlock/lock pops the door open and closed. It very well could be an ipod/mp3 port, and its probably a good location if any for one.

Gads. Isn't it about time someone fired (and prosecuted) that photographer?

They are interesting pix... but geez. :rolleyes:

Scott's gonna be LIVID!! :|


Not BAD!! Me likey tho!! :D Even for a V6..

it was scott!!!!


LOL..

Im liking the interior much more the more i see it..

Im a die hard camaro fanatic, everyone who knows me knows that, but none the less the absolute final decision will be once i drive one, and see how it speaks to me.

I love the exterior, and in the beginning just "liked" the interior, but now the more i see it refined, and more i see it finishing up i love it more and more..

For a v6, its looking good so far..


I do have a question that im kinda wondering, why they flipped the speedo and tach from the concept..

i.e. the concepts was on the opposite side as it is in these leaked photos..

-steve

Is it me or did our super secret photographer catch the top of his buzz cut head in this picture of the overhead console/rearview mirror. Left side of the reflection looks like a head with very short hair. Hard to make out.... But maybe some clues as to whom is having their way with this Camaro prototype. With the time spent opening doors, hoods and sitting in the car why would they not just get a digital camara?

It would seem that this car is off GM grounds and in some garage where it's under minimal security.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599983

It is taken using a digital camera...likely a cheap "point and shoot."

I'm sure GM could find out where those were taken. I wouldn't want to be the guy who took those pics, but we're all grateful to see this stuff anyway.

i think they were took at LAX airport..

Hey gang. Look at the rearview mirror. The button on the far left. Phone symbol? Bluetooth?

Please be Bluetooth!!!

And to the Camaro Team - THANK YOU for keeping the window buttons on the doors!!! putting window and mirrior controls in the center stack like the G8 is SO annoying! (I know Pontinace had to take what holden gave them).

I LOVE THIS INTERIOR!

this guy needs to learn how to keep a camera still :) and he should be fired :D

and i think when you buy onstar you get handsfree calling with that too

The unlock/lock pops the door open and closed. It very well could be an ipod/mp3 port, and its probably a good location if any for one.

So are you saying that the actual lock/unlock piece is a door for the aux in? and it hinges up? I don't buy that but... who knows...

If not what "door" are you talking about?

It is taken using a digital camera...likely a cheap "point and shoot."

So how do you know.... :eek: So tell us where you have been the last few days before the Black suburbans are dispatched!

So are you saying that the actual lock/unlock piece is a door for the aux in? and it hinges up? I don't buy that but... who knows... Exactly. You got it! :D At least that's what I see with my 19-in LCD display @ 1200 pixels with my 42 year-old eyes. :D

I LOVE this interior... even though this is the same car as before, this pics do the interior more justice. I love the backlighting on the gauges too, they're kinda retro but very nice and easy to read. :bow:

Now if we could just get some leaked pics with a boost gauge and a spoiler...:D

I've been looking through the interior and again... the more I see the more I like. Even if they are unauthorized TERRIBLE spy photos of a pre-prod car I am very happy at this point. I can see the direction and feel much better than w/ the original ones that showed a very rough un-grained interior

Exactly. You got it! :D At least that's what I see with my 19-in LCD display @ 1200 pixels with my 42 year-old eyes. :D

We are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one! ;)

I vote for central door locking switch due to no door pieces... But again... we will see and discuss down the road! :D

We are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one! ;)

I vote for central door locking switch due to no door pieces... But again... we will see and discuss down the road! :DI'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. Look at all the angles again. The lock and unlock are not two switches but two symbols on a single piece (cover or switch). My explination of it being a cover is the only logical answer. (It doesn't look like a rocker switch to me.)

I'm guessing the door locks are somewhere we haven't seen yet.

So how do you know.... :eek: So tell us where you have been the last few days before the Black suburbans are dispatched!

Can a black suburban outrun a black suburban? :cool:

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. Look at all the angles again. The lock and unlock are not two switches but two symbols on a single piece (cover or switch). My explination of it being a cover is the only logical answer. (It doesn't look like a rocker switch to me.)

I'm guessing the door locks are somewhere we haven't seen yet.

The door switch in my GTI is a rocking switch. Push one way for lock, the other way for unlock. Looks like a cover, too. They're the same way in the Audi S4, and the rear console has a switch that looks similar for the rear seat passengers.

Like everything else, we'll be able to tell once the production car has arrived, but my money is on it being a central u/l switch.

My explination of it being a cover is the only logical answer. (It doesn't look like a rocker switch to me.)

It looks like it could be a rocker to me, but then again I'm only 27 with a 19" screen at 1280x960 ;)

Hey gang. Look at the rearview mirror. The button on the far left. Phone symbol? Bluetooth?

Sorry to burst your bubble. My '07 Avalanche has the same button configuration on the mirror. It's a phone symbol used for hanging up the line. I'm afraid GM is never going to put BT in to "help" you to not need On*.

The door switch in my GTI is a rocking switch. Push one way for lock, the other way for unlock. Looks like a cover, too. They're the same way in the Audi S4, and the rear console has a switch that looks similar for the rear seat passengers.

Like everything else, we'll be able to tell once the production car has arrived, but my money is on it being a central u/l switch.

It looks like it could be a rocker to me, but then again I'm only 27 with a 19" screen at 1280x960 ;)Damn my "old" eyes! :D

Sorry to burst your bubble. My '07 Avalanche has the same button configuration on the mirror. It's a phone symbol used for hanging up the line. I'm afraid GM is never going to put BT in to "help" you to not need On*.That's a bummer. With the new cell phone law in California I was hoping for integrated bluetooth.

That's a bummer. With the new cell phone law in California I was hoping for integrated bluetooth.

Most manufacturers place the buttons on the steering wheel or radio. I don't think we've seen any steering wheel controls yet---In the earlier pics, I saw wires and a hole coming from the spoke on the right side, but nothing more.

That's a bummer. With the new cell phone law in California I was hoping for integrated bluetooth.

Look at radio buttons, In order Unknown, CD/AUX, PHONE, Left seek, right seek, unknown, Tone, and Back.

Chances are you are getting your Blue tooth integrated.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3638&d=1201645934

I'd love steering wheel controls for the radio and cruise.

Look at radio buttons, In order Unknown, CD/AUX, PHONE, Left seek, right seek, unknown, Tone, and Back.



The unknown buttons say Radio and CONFIG.

Do I see an air re-circulation button?!?! Driving the country roads of NC makes such a feature absolutely necessary. Feeling very un-lemming-like, I'm am LOVING this interior. It's amazing what a little backlighting can do.

Look at radio buttons, In order Unknown, CD/AUX, PHONE, Left seek, right seek, unknown, Tone, and Back.

Chances are you are getting your Blue tooth integrated.


I hope you are right and I am wrong!

The unknown button says CONFIG.

I see "Radio Band" I think. Could be wrong though.

EDIT: Ah, I see you updated your post.

Look at radio buttons, In order Unknown, CD/AUX, PHONE, Left seek, right seek, unknown, Tone, and Back.

Chances are you are getting your Blue tooth integrated.

I saw that. I couldn't tell if it said "PHONE" or "FADER". (Damn eyes again. :p )

I see "Radio Band" I think. Could be wrong though.

EDIT: Ah, I see you updated your post.


Yes, Radio Band and Config. :)

I'm liking the interior more especially with the nice door panels and stitched armrests, but shouldn't climate control be offered? I don't see "auto" on the HVAC controls.
And GM needs to makes sure this vehicle has Blutooth. We don't need to see any more all new GM vehicle released without it.

Do you guys see an "i" button for information when using XM?

...Or a central door lock/unlock button. I didn't see one on the doors...in fact, i don't even see lock knobs on the doors which means they've probably used an electronic locking system similar to what they've been using in German cars for quite a number of years :)

At 15 mph, the doors lock and the button changes colors to let you know the door is locked. When you stop the car and park, the doors unlock, and there are no knobs/switches to push or pull. Only buttons to push.

Exactly!!!! Come on guys its Central locking.... Just about every new car, especially the imports, has the lock/unlock buttons somewhere in the center stack within inches of the hazzard button.

Just about every new car, especially the imports, has the lock/unlock buttons somewhere in the center stack within inches of the hazzard button.

..which is beside the chickasaw button[/bad joke]

Few other things I noticed.

1. Is that a little sunglass cubbie above the DIC? :cool: (sorry for the emoti-pun :D )
2. It's cool how many pixels are available, in the driver info center. Opens up a lot of possibilities for readouts and such. There's a reason, I'm sure, as to why it is so BIG.
3. What's that lump right above the rearview mirror? (it says 'passenger air bag' on it)
4. I love the chrome loop inside door pull handles. Very sleek :bow:

i hope that cubby up top that says about the air bag is for a radar detector (or whatever its called :P)! that would be awsome!!!!

So... That means they will make remote start available on the M6? I figured it would be available on the auto, but had conceded it would probably not be off the table for us enthusiasts :D



I thought the remote start was available on the manual transmission Vettes as well as the autos?

3. What's that lump right above the rearview mirror? (it says 'passenger air bag' on it)

That's just the passenger airbag/seatbelt reminder light. It will say passenger airbag on or off depending on whether there's a passenger in the seat and how heavy they are (designed to keep small people from getting whacked by the airbags, front and side/curtain). My Mom's Lucerne has the same exact little bulge above the rear view mirror. It will illuminate a seatbelt reminder as well (you anti-seatbelt people are going to LOVE this car if it does what my Mom's Lucerne does - every couple of minutes the thing will chime and blink if BOTH front seat people aren't wearing their belts).

Based on the engine cover design (which appears taken DIRECTLY from a Cadillac CTS), I'd wager good money its the 3.6 VVT.

The DIC alerts you if the HOOD is open..... will it tell me if I forgot to zip my pants up? :lol:

Since I see the phone button, I assume Bluetooth will be available, and not just with navigation equiped models (thank you, GM). I did read that starting in 2009 GM was going offer Bluetooth on a vast array of models. This would certainly play in to that.

Few other things I noticed: The little square sensor stuck to the windshield to the right of the rear view mirror leads me to believe RainSense will be an available option (also on my Mom's Lucerne).

The hazzard button is where it belongs.

So is the trunk release - in fact, it should be an industry standard that all trunk releases should either be on the driver's door or a pull release on the floor to the left of the driver's seat. Very ergonomically correct.

I like the central locking button, too. Don't forget folks, much of this car is engineered in Australia, which tends to favor the European flavor of interiors.

Chrome trim on the door handles = :thumb:

Man, this is shaping up to be one hell of a car. Even at this stage, which isn't complete lest we forget, it's already looking better than any previous Camaro. Some of you may flame away at my opinion, but there is a certain upscale flavor you can sense with this interior that just never existed in Camaros of yore. You can put this interior right up against many from Europe or Japan and it stands right with it.

I do have one question, Scott - how are you working remote start with a manual transmission? I knew someone who put remote start on his 1991 Taurus SHO 5 speed, and hit the start button - with the thing in gear :D

Great job Scott (and everyone else)..... even IF we weren't supposed to see these yet :p

This car is looking great and I am loving the interior now. Two minor gripes I have are about the speedometer. First is the fact that it's in 20 mph increments and that makes it hard to read. Two is why are the numbers above 120 red. I have never seen that on any car before. I'm hoping the V8 gets a different speedo with 10 mph increments and higher top speed with no red numbers or at least give us a digital speed read out in the DIC between the gauges like the CTS. Another thing is my girls mini has the lock switch in the middle and it works out well. I am impressed by the gauge lighting as well. This thing will fly off lots.

It is definately looking better than those spy shots for sure. I wonder if we'll be able to change the color of the backlighting? That would be cool...

WOW - GM really did a much better job with the interior of this car than with the previously leaked car! ;)

So... That means they will make remote start available on the M6? I figured it would be available on the auto, but had conceded it would probably not be off the table for us enthusiasts :D

Also, I am voting for the flip-out key fob as well!
I like the flip-out feature too. The key for my 05 GTO did not fold, and man that thing was HUGE. Here's a picture of another (related Holden) folding key fob:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/tc-i30-fob.jpg

Scott is probably smoking right now. :lol:

id go crazy if i was him, first the pics the other day, then the LAX pics and now this id be ready to kill somone

id go crazy if i was him, first the pics the other day, then the LAX pics and now this id be ready to kill somone


I've posted time and time again that GM needs to change their security procedures in regards to cell phone cameras at all campuses if they don't want this stuff to happen.

well i think theyll put an end to those problems now :D

Hmm.... looks....better.

Hmm.... looks....better.

:cool: Thanks for posting! Agreed :cool:

i hope GM takes out the Red for the speedo on the V8 model(s)

I love how this V-6 has 40 more hp than the mustang, even though im getting teh V-8!

I'm loving it. Especially the speedo/tach lighting. If it were red....:drool:

i hope GM takes out the Red for the speedo on the V8 model(s)


I like it how you're not in the red until you're at 120. Assuming of course we're talking mph.

im pretty sure its mph i mean it is an american car :)

The more I see, the more I like - except one thing. I don't like the increments for the speedo. I much prefer to have it marked off like in the 4th gens. Having it marked off by 20's isn't as easy to read at a glance. But if there is a HUD, that complaint is mute.

Although it is cool to see more interior pics, holy cow this is getting ridiculous at the amt of pics that are being taken. If I were the Camaro team, I'd be very peeved at the fact that more and more pics keep getting taken and posted all over the net.

That said, the dash looks great all lit up! The closer up pics definitely give you a taste of how classy the interior does look and its not even finished yet. Some of my initial fears from the earlier pics have already been somewhat taken care of with these new pics. Damn September can't get here soon enough!

Now nobody knows if the torque guage is for the V6 or even for this car because it is a test car. But thinking out loud 370ft. lbs. is a lot for a V6 Camaro. Again all speculation.

Although it is cool to see more interior pics, holy cow this is getting ridiculous at the amt of pics that are being taken. If I were the Camaro team, I'd be very peeved at the fact that more and more pics keep getting taken and posted all over the net.

Peeved is probably not the right word. I would think more colorful language that's not ok to be posted on this site to describe their feelings. I've never seen any prototype car be photo'd so many times from the inside and under the hood. I'll make a prediction that the Camaro from the pics is not on GM property but maybe with a supplier or off site test location. Snapping pics of the car on the road or even in a garage are one thing but getting into the drivers seat or opening the hood is quite another. I would think this person knows these pics are on the net two because it just seems like after the last set came out people had more questions like looking under the hood and this set certainly answers it.
GM is very lucky the car is very much like the Concept and Bumblebee movie cars because the secret is really already out. Hence you see they already released the pics of the white uncamo'd car already. But if this was the C7 or next Gen Silverado or any other unseen future program GM would be in trouble.

Torque Gauges? We don't need no stinkin' torque gauges.
In my GTO, torque is directly related to how long the black stripes are in my rearview mirror.

Now nobody knows if the torque guage is for the V6 or even for this car because it is a test car. But thinking out loud 370ft. lbs. is a lot for a V6 Camaro. Again all speculation.


Maybe its a SC V6, no telling whats under that shroud.

Yeah I've definitely changed my mind. This is the coolest thing I have ever seen.






;)

glad youve seen the light man! :thumb:

What has been the phrase all along...? "Have Faith"

glad youve seen the light man! :thumb:

Note the winkie.

Note the winkie.

Has your opinion changed any?

Has your opinion changed any?

Overall, no. It looks more polished. That's about it.

Sorry though, don't want to ruin the party. :)

Overall, no. It looks more polished. That's about it.

Sorry though, don't want to ruin the party. :) Agreed.

I was hopeful that I might like it more when lit under it's own power. These new pics have given me just that opportunity and unfortunately I'm more upset and disappointed than before. I've never encountered a car where I've loved the exterior so much and hated the interior even more. :(



I think we need our own subforum now...

"Discussion for those who really, really want to like the new Camaro but don't"

:D

Note the winkie.

He's new :D






;)

What a bunch of crap. The car has a button on it that we don't know what it does. That is lame, I expect unknown buttons on a Honda but not American Muscle. I am not going to buy it now. Thanks GM for ruining my whole life. I am shutting the site down now. Good bye all. I am off to by a Ford.


(wellnow -- that made me spit my iced tea all over the keyboard......)


But Jason:

I agree 1,000 percent!!!

And I hate me!!!!

I think I'm gonna insist that we all resign tomorrow!!!!

Overall, no. It looks more polished. That's about it.

Sorry though, don't want to ruin the party. :)

Agreed.

I was hopeful that I might like it more when lit under it's own power. These new pics have given me just that opportunity and unfortunately I'm more upset and disappointed than before. I've never encountered a car where I've loved the exterior so much and hated the interior even more. :(



I think we need our own subforum now...

"Discussion for those who really, really want to like the new Camaro but don't"

:D

I'm not saying a word.... :|

(wellnow -- that made me spit my iced tea all over the keyboard......)


But Jason:

I agree 1,000 percent!!!

And I hate me!!!!

I think I'm gonna insist that we all resign tomorrow!!!!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cry:












:p

I'm not saying a word.... :|

Write this historic date down. :D

Am I upset that more pictures leaked?

Yes.

Am I smoking -- or having a heart attack -- or having a stroke?

No.

Interestingly -- (and predictably....) a few more people are warming to the interior - and this is with horrible shots.

This will be a driver's car. It HAS to be. It's a CAMARO!

(do you think John Heinricy and a few others would allow a Camaro to be engineered and designed when it didn't deserve this hallowed nameplate?)

I truly believe -- when the final product hits the streets -- that most -- if not all -- of you will like what has been done.

(and you haven't seen the coolest stuff yet!)

Thats interesting...

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229456812_1e8229edf6_o.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_12z+2008_cadillac_CTS+engine.jpg

theres more to come! yay! plz say a HUD :P

(do you think John Heinricy and a few others would allow a Camaro to be engineered and designed when it didn't deserve this hallowed nameplate?)




My faith in Heinrocket and his SCCA championships is one very big reason I haven't completely folded yet. :)

My faith in Heinrocket and his SCCA championships is one very big reason I haven't completely folded yet. :)


Same here.

Am I upset that more pictures leaked?

Yes.

Am I smoking -- or having a heart attack -- or having a stroke?

No.

Interestingly -- (and predictably....) a few more people are warming to the interior - and this is with horrible shots.

This will be a driver's car. It HAS to be. It's a CAMARO!

(do you think John Heinricy and a few others would allow a Camaro to be engineered and designed when it didn't deserve this hallowed nameplate?)

I truly believe -- when the final product hits the streets -- that most -- if not all -- of you will like what has been done.

(and you haven't seen the coolest stuff yet!)

Wow a very mild mannered response from Scott!!! Here I was sitting waiting for a response to get this! :lol ;) jk Scott!

I think Scott really might have been the head seen in those pictures w/ the camera phone!!! ;) :p

(and you haven't seen the coolest stuff yet!)

I knew it! We're going to be able to play PS3 from the center console!

Wow a very mild mannered response from Scott!!! Here I was sitting waiting for a response to get this! :p

He's probably thrown up his hands at this point..... what can he do? It's like lecturing a class full of monkeys. They may listen for a few seconds, but as they get more and more rowdy you keep yelling louder and louder. Eventually you just throw up your hands and walk out the room as the monkeys are having a ball.

****ING EXCITED!!!! Every time I see it theres a new button or switch. I cant wait to see all the features!!

(and you haven't seen the coolest stuff yet!)


So it really transforms into a robot? SWEET!!!!

Im still not too warmed up to the dash design . I can see where GOOD material usage will go a long way to making it attractive . For instince , the shape of the dash ....theres alot of gradual curves around the center stak . The dash pad better have a nice matte finish to pull that off , any bit of shinyness will ruin it .

LOVE the door panels , I like the integreted key fob and even with back lighting I still hate the video game controller Hvac buttons ....that looks really bad .

Please dont put a torque gauge in there , that is beyond cheezy .

Still very optimistic to see the end result :) I guess Im gonna have to trust ya Scott :D

Agreed.

I was hopeful that I might like it more when lit under it's own power. These new pics have given me just that opportunity and unfortunately I'm more upset and disappointed than before. I've never encountered a car where I've loved the exterior so much and hated the interior even more. :(



I think we need our own subforum now...

"Discussion for those who really, really want to like the new Camaro but don't"

:D

same here, i am trying so hard to like it but I just can't

So is the trunk release - in fact, it should be an industry standard that all trunk releases should either be on the driver's door or a pull release on the floor to the left of the driver's seat. Very ergonomically correct.

One thing that gets me about trunk release buttons in the modern automobile. No security for the trunk if you valet park. I have an idea that makes it better, but it's probably not worth the money to patent the concept. I got the idea after i got my goat.

Put the trunk release in the glove compartment, like a lot of cars already do. And cars like the GTO already have a valet key for the glove compartment. Problem is, the key fob still has a release button. Here's the idea. Put a simple switch to sense when the glove compartment is locked, and lock out the trunk release too, even from the fob. Bingo.

There's still the drawback of the hidden pull for the GTO trunk, but most valet's wouldn't be that familiar with the car. And even that could be locked out by the interlock mechanism in a well designed system.

(you haven't seen the coolest stuff yet!)

My "faith" tells me that means The NAV option will some how blend the dash to the console.

How much would that option cost $1300? I cant believe i'm saying this, but in this case it would be worth it.

I don't care who you are...That LCD screen in the center of the gauges is a NICE touch. Definitely leapfrogs it into a very new and contemporary looking inside!

Ahhh the feeling of Faith well kept. Eat crow and like it naysayers!!

In all seriousness, this interior is awesome. I love the center stack and the main gauges. Is it just me or is there another currently blacked out display screen above the main DIC? It seems to me that there is certainly more room for other gadgets in that space. Give me more buttons to push! I Love it!

Ahhh the feeling of Faith well spent. Eat crow and like it naysayers!!

It's a little early for that don't you think? It still looks just as bad to me as it ever did, the square holes with round guages, retro fonts, console guages, sega genesis HVAC and awkwardly bulbous dash in that center area, bumper car steering wheel, and now, rice-tastic halos around the guages.

I couldn't agree more with this:

Agreed.

I was hopeful that I might like it more when lit under it's own power. These new pics have given me just that opportunity and unfortunately I'm more upset and disappointed than before. I've never encountered a car where I've loved the exterior so much and hated the interior even more. :(



I think we need our own subforum now...

"Discussion for those who really, really want to like the new Camaro but don't"

:D

Anyone else notice that the battery will not be located under the hood, but most likely in the trunk?
I have also noticed that GM has snapped out of the side-mount battiers and moving back to top post terminals?

Anyway, that intake track looks a little restrictive.

Ahhh the feeling of Faith well kept. Eat crow and like it naysayers!!

In all seriousness, this interior is awesome. I love the center stack and the main gauges. Is it just me or is there another currently blacked out display screen above the main DIC? It seems to me that there is certainly more room for other gadgets in that space. Give me more buttons to push! I Love it!
I agree 100%. Just like FBF said (BTW - why do people continue to doubt him?)... each time more is shown regarding this interior, it wins over more people. Tonight we saw some key new details including the large dot matrix DIC, the OEM head unit which clearly has some incarnation of telephonic integration, and many other nice touches like the classy door pulls and so on. I'm keeping the faith... and believing Scott when he says "there's more to come" :)

Anyone else notice that the battery will not be located under the hood, but most likely in the trunk?
I have also noticed that GM has snapped out of the side-mount battiers and moving back to top post terminals?

Anyway, that intake track looks a little restrictive.
I'm glad if the batt's going to the trunk, will help with weight distribution.

The intake, not a whole lot different than the turn in an LSx GTO's intake stream, and the GTO is no slouch. Besides... notice how close that MAF is... to the little forward hood scoop :devil:

I hope that Chevy takes the same approach with Camaro that they did with Malibu. Have all available fluffy options for ALL trims. A decked out V6 with nav, bluetooth, 6spd auto, bigger wheels, etc etc.
I am also looking foward to the seats...

He's probably thrown up his hands at this point..... what can he do? It's like lecturing a class full of monkeys. They may listen for a few seconds, but as they get more and more rowdy you keep yelling louder and louder. Eventually you just throw up your hands and walk out the room as the monkeys are having a ball.
:lol: Such a perfect analogy :lol:

The only thing I hate are the square housings that the two gauges are in..they look goofy. The HVAC controls also look like something off an old SEGA controller.

Overall the car is WAY more Austrailian than I thought GM would let it be..and is much more like the GTO and G8 than anything else. The mirror adjuster looks straight out my GTO. The battery is likely in the back just like the G8. The radio is interesting..I wonder if it has a color LCD. If they can put them in cheap cell phones..a car stereo should not be hard.

It's a little early for that don't you think? It still looks just as bad to me as it ever did, the square holes with round guages, retro fonts, console guages, sega genesis HVAC and awkwardly bulbous dash in that center area, bumper car steering wheel, and now, rice-tastic halos around the guages.

I couldn't agree more with this:


Retro fonts and console gauges are awesome! Sega Genesis was badass and I hope I can play F'n Sonic the hedgehog on the nav screen...and while I'm nutswinging all over the place here, (which is apparently what it's called when you are enthusiastic about an interior that has been built and designed by hardworking people desperately trying to keep affordable performance alive at GM) I think the Halos will sell more Camaros than the engine choices will.

I hope the intake will be set up on the v8 so that the hood is functional and that the OnStar isn't mandatory.

I don't know, it still seems pulled in many different directions....and man I hope that key folds, might be a pain in the pocket otherwise....still waiting to see more.
Like the wheels!
bumper car steering wheelMan, I almost choked on my tea! :D...:leaving:
(...keeping a lighthearted view...)
Anyway, that intake track looks a little restrictive.
Is that a bogus "camo" cover from a Caddy?
Possibly the CAI is as well.

the illumination helps a ton.. even with the blurry pictures.. its growing on me more and more each time i see it..

i have always liked the square speedo/tach housings.. the only thing that buggs me is how the center console bulges out like it does..

what i have come to understand and appreciate, and actually begin to like, is that they are trying to do something completely different with the interior of this car, compared to any other car out there

yeah it's certainly a polarizing interior.. but to me it seems the people that like it, LOVE IT.. and the people that don't like it, HATE IT

the same can be said about the exterior.. and its a shame that the two dont go together in some peoples eyes but that was inevitable

polarizing like that can be good, because sale of these kinds of cars is driven largely by emotion.. and if someone feels strongly about LOVING the car's styling, inside or out, they are more likely to purchase the car than if they just "liked" it

90rocz...about the key folding...If you take a look at the picture showing the key, you'll notice a silver button on the upper left-hand side of the fob...that looks just like the keys to most (if not all) VWs, and I would bet good money that it will definitely fold into the key fob...if that's the key that we end up getting.

I, for one, really like the idea of that particular key...so here's to hoping we get it. I was never really fond of the square housing for the speedo and tach, either, but since seeing the new shots of the interior I can say that I'm liking them a lot more. I think what was holding me back from liking them before was the angle at which we were seeing them. Then again, even if I hated the way the gauges were set up it wouldn't keep me from getting the new Camaro. I can easily get used to that!:yes:

:bow::metal::drool::usa: Well this is my first post but I have been lurking for about a year now. This past weekend I saw the silver concept at the Pennsylvania Auto and Boat show and now seeing these pictures I am in love with this car. I am 22 and am just finishing college. I have a lot of bills to pay but the 5th gen Camaro is HIGH on my priorities list. I have wanted a Camaro since I was 5 and was devastated when it went on hiatus in 02. But now that it is back I am so excited. Well that is the end of my rant. Thanks for reading.

PS. I know this is pretty much established at this point but that is without a doubt the u/l button in the center. Just compare it to the key fob.

:bow::metal::drool::usa: Well this is my first post but I have been lurking for about a year now. This past weekend I saw the silver concept at the Pennsylvania Auto and Boat show and now seeing these pictures I am in love with this car. I am 22 and am just finishing college. I have a lot of bills to pay but the 5th gen Camaro is HIGH on my priorities list. I have wanted a Camaro since I was 5 and was devastated when it went on hiatus in 02. But now that it is back I am so excited. Well that is the end of my rant. Thanks for reading.

PS. I know this is pretty much established at this point but that is without a doubt the u/l button in the center. Just compare it to the key fob.
Well cat, let me be the first to welcome you aboard! And I'm with you too as far as the Camaro... looking good! :cool:

Well cat, let me be the first to welcome you aboard! And I'm with you too as far as the Camaro... looking good! :cool:

Thanks for the welcome! I can't wait to see the production car in person.:D

My ONLY little quip abotu the interior is the guages. Not the cirlce in a square hole thing, but just the fact that I have grown so attached to these...

http://www.chevrolet.com/i/pic/malibu/2008/photogallery/int_gallery13.jpg

These look so modern, so techy, so....COOL!!
BTW, Scott my friend just picked up a White LTZ Malibu with the two tone interior and his wife LOVES EVERY PART about the car. The Malibu is to soften her up, as he thinks about selling his 01 Trans Am, his 71 442 and his boat for a Camaro, as long as it fits a baby seat...ahahaha.

where are the cup holders..if the cup holder cant hold a slurppy im buying a corolla

One badASS car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A couple of things of note. The engine bay is very very similar to the G8. Air box driver side, fuse box pass side (ECU most likely under it), no battery under the hood (but battery posts available), abs pass side.

V6 so probably base model interior..... the goodie are always better with upper models :)

decent start :p

I hope the intake will be set up on the v8 so that the hood is functional and that the OnStar isn't mandatory.

Time to bust out the crossfire tbi flaps again!!

I'm really liking what I'm seeing. ALOT. The guages look great lit up.
BUT someone needs to learn how to use thier damned camera phone. That is one lousy photographer.

Thats interesting...

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229456812_1e8229edf6_o.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_12z+2008_cadillac_CTS+engine.jpg


You beat me to it. The cover is off a Cadillac CTS 305 HP 3.6 DI engine.

There is no turbo or supercharger under the cover.... But I wonder how much HP is under the cover. Too many here forget that the V6 can do l more than the 305 HP they are getting now.


As for the interior it does look better now that more production parts are being added. Who would have guessed Scott knew what he was talking about all along..?

Finished = Better Looking we might want to remember this concept.

You beat me to it. The cover is off a Cadillac CTS 305 HP 3.6 DI engine.

There is no turbo or supercharger under the cover.... But I wonder how much HP is under the cover. Too many here forget that the V6 can do l more than the 305 HP they are getting now.
As for the interior it does look better now that more production parts are being added. Who would have guessed Scott knew what he was talking about all along..?

Finished = Better Looking we might want to remember this concept.

What?

I think what you are trying to say is that the V6 CAN POTENTIALLY do more than 306 hp. However, I highly doubt that they will put a V6 in a camaro that has HP numbers infringing on a V8.

I do however hope that they keep the V6 out of the CTS and do it like this:

Base V6 = 300 hp 3.6L-DI
Base V8 = 360 hp L76
Upgrade V8 = 430 hp LS3
HI-Po V8 = 550 HP LS8

For most of the line that leaves you with a 60-70 hp gap in between models, that is about perfect I think. And if they didnt want to do 3 V-8 engines, then just drop the L76 and go LS3 all the way.

a 300hp car for 20 grand or so would have people flocking to buy the low end camaro

I am over here ****ting myself! With every leaked pic, I love the car more and more.

Button on the door is the trunk release. That's where it is in my 07 Aura. The other button on the door is the mirrors, same as in the Aura (sucks though because you have to lean forward to adjust mirrors:confused:)

Phone button on the mirror is just to make calls using On-star prepaid minutes for 50 million dollars a second.

And that unknown buttons has to be for changing bands on the radio. Unless it's the info button for the DIC (that's where it is in the wife's Milan).

And 305 in a 6? That can't be base. That's going to be ridiculous. Dudes in Camaro 6s will put up to Mustang GTs and look over like "What?"

I do however hope that they keep the V6 out of the CTS and do it like this:

Base V6 = 300 hp 3.6L-DI
Base V8 = 360 hp L76
Upgrade V8 = 430 hp LS3
HI-Po V8 = 550 HP LS8

For most of the line that leaves you with a 60-70 hp gap in between models, that is about perfect I think. And if they didnt want to do 3 V-8 engines, then just drop the L76 and go LS3 all the way.

That's actually what I've been hoping for for a while now. I want the one in bold. :D

I've ALWAYS wanted a V-8, but if the V6 version really does have that engine, I will at least test drive it....

absolutely amazing!

everytime I see new pics it makes me want the car more!

I want to see some LS3 pics now :)

That's actually what I've been hoping for for a while now. I want the one in bold. :D

I've ALWAYS wanted a V-8, but if the V6 version really does have that engine, I will at least test drive it....


Me too!

The HVAC controls also look like something off an old SEGA controller.



I like the HVAC controls, very modern (futuristic) looking. That would be an awesome improvement over my 94. My new Nitro has "different looking" HVAC controls and I love it. They help set it apart from other SUVs I looked at.

GM, I like what I'm seeing here, Thank you.

Oh, one more thing, I don't see an aux plug on the radio. I would like to be able to plug my MP3 into it. Did I miss it or is it some where else?

It looks to me like dual zone HVAC (temperature dials are around the protrusions). :)

It looks to me like dual zone HVAC (temperature dials are around the protrusions). :)

I think they are fan on the left and temp on the right.

That's what it looks like to me as well. Fan settings on the left, temp settings on the right. I'm loving this interior! I can't wait to sit in one.

I still wish I had never seen the first leaked pics of the interior. These would have been a great first glimpse.

Interior Dislike %

First Interior Pic Release: 55% :confused:
2nd Pics: 35% :(
Most recent: 15% :)

Something tells me when I finally sit in it and it's an upper trim model that I'll be in love:

:bow:

I'm glad it's the low-end v6 interior so I still have the best to look forward to. It's just my opinion, but I don't know how anyone who sat in late model camaros can complain at all about this. The interior of the last one was the reason I didn't purchase one. For a low-budget pony car, this is looking superb.

I see one place I can save weight...an engine cover will be the first thing that comes off...I've never cared for them, and that one is a good example why.
I like seeing the naked motor in all its glory!
I hope those wheels are available on the V8 cars, I like the sizing and lighter feel to them.
I don't see a strut/shock tower brace, I wonder what will it will look like?

It's just my opinion, but I don't know how anyone who sat in late model camaros can complain at all about this. The interior of the last one was the reason I didn't purchase one. For a low-budget pony car, this is looking superb.

That's where I am as well. Everyone has their own mini-car designer tucked away in their brain somewhere, and mine is telling me that my '97 looked like a bucket compared to this.

Most recent: 15% :)

You don't like 15% of what you see? I'm at <5%.

http://torgeir.vanvik.net/Z28/interior5.jpg
(2002 Z28 interior)
I kinda liked it, at least better than the '93-'97's.
(The '02's air bag's a little LARGE, but I don't hate it.)
(EDIT: I wanted to see them together.)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.int.dcu.kgp.ed.jpg
(I know it's not near finished, just considering concepts.)

(2002 Z28 interior)
I kinda liked it, at least better than the '93-'97's.
(The air bag's a little LARGE, but I don't hate it.)

It's better in black with an M6. ;)

That's actually what I've been hoping for for a while now. I want the one in bold. :D

I've ALWAYS wanted a V-8, but if the V6 version really does have that engine, I will at least test drive it....

Completely agree, a test drive is definitely in order. Do you think they will really make the DI v6 the base version? Will the additional Camaro units bring the costs down enough? I've got to admit that I don't know how much more one of the DI engines costs to manufacture over the normal v6.

However, if the MPG difference is minimal & price for the DI V6 and the LS3 aren't too far apart ($2K), I'll still be getting the v8... There is nothing like the rumble when u start up those Chevy v8s!

JakeRobb, not liking 15% is pretty darn good. Personally, I feel the steering wheel proportions are a bit off & the radio juts out a bit too far. Perfection is too much to ask. However, like the fbodfather said, I know I'll grow to like most of the small turnoffs.

I will say that the pic comparison of the 02 interior & the 5th gen above is a bit misleading. That 5th gen pic is the one that actually made me :cry: the first time i saw it. The taped pics are much less refined than the newest ones.

JakeRobb, not liking 15% is pretty darn good. Personally, I feel the steering wheel proportions are a bit off & the radio juts out a bit too far. Perfection is too much to ask. However, like the fbodfather said, I know I'll grow to like most of the small turnoffs.

I will say that the pic comparison of the 02 interior & the 5th gen above is a bit misleading. That 5th gen pic is the one that actually made me :cry: the first time i saw it. The taped pics are much less refined than the newest ones.
Thanks, I was going to mention that too. I love that picture of the 4Gen interior! Very clean, complete, sunshine beaming in. Then there's the junky prototype picture right with it. Goofy comparison.

I also agree with you about the percentage-vs-time illustration you made. There has been a shift in opinion here, consistently, as more complete and 'clean' interior shots have been seen. I think more are starting to believe FBF when he says "you haven't seen all the cool stuff yet" :bow:

Well, the newer pics are a stick shift, (less aluminum) and dimmly lit, (darker), minus some duct tape, but really similar.
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2221528354_986994e0d3_o.jpg
http://torgeir.vanvik.net/Z28/interior1.jpg

Still not a fair comparison IMHO. But keep the 4gen pix coming, I love taupe! :D

i hope GM takes out the Red for the speedo on the V8 model(s)
Perhaps the color will be adjustable like on the Mustangs. :D
I think what you are trying to say is that the V6 CAN POTENTIALLY do more than 306 hp. However, I highly doubt that they will put a V6 in a camaro that has HP numbers infringing on a V8.

I do however hope that they keep the V6 out of the CTS and do it like this:

Base V6 = 300 hp 3.6L-DI
Base V8 = 360 hp L76
Upgrade V8 = 430 hp LS3
HI-Po V8 = 550 HP LS8

With a 300+hp V6 is there really a need for an entry level V8? (Don't think of it in terms as an enthusiast wanting a "cheap" V8 Camaro, think of it as a manufacturer trying to build cars that sell.) For that reason alone I think we can give up on the notion of an entry level V8. If the base Camaro comes with the Caddy V6, then we'll get a mass market V8 (LS3) and a high-content/ high-output supercharged V8 (LS8).

While were at it. After having time to soak it all in, while I'm still excited about this car, the center stack doesn't appeal to me as much as I'd like. Maybe it'll grow on me with time, but who knows. (It won't stop me from buying one though.) :D

Well, I am very happy these latest pictures came out. I was never worried about the materials so much as I was worried about the layout and how the interior flowed. I think it look great now! I bet we're all going to be blown away by the production car when get a chance to sit in it. It might even be the best car yet by Chevrolet (well, besides the Corvette that is).

The one thing I no I don't like is how the speedometer font is red after 120. No need for that and I think its distracting. But I'd be shocked to see it on the top dog, so hopefully the point is moot on that.

http://torgeir.vanvik.net/Z28/interior4.jpg
Originally Posted by BigDarknFast :
Still not a fair comparison IMHO. But keep the 4gen pix coming, I love taupe!
It is what it is, just for pondering...
Me too!..tho I'm partial to Black & [?color]...
Here ya go.;)

Originally Posted by jg95z28:
While were at it. After having time to soak it all in, while I'm still excited about this car, the center stack doesn't appeal to me as much as I'd like. Maybe it'll grow on me with time, but who knows. (It won't stop me from buying one though.) The exterior and performance will probably be enough to sell me, so I'm pretty much where you are on this.

Well, I am very happy these latest pictures came out. I was never worried about the materials so much as I was worried about the layout and how the interior flowed. I think it look great now! I bet we're all going to be blown away by the production car when get a chance to sit in it. It might even be the best car yet by Chevrolet (well, besides the Corvette that is).

The one thing I no I don't like is how the speedometer font is red after 120. No need for that and I think its distracting. But I'd be shocked to see it on the top dog, so hopefully the point is moot on that.
Agreed. I too think the over-120 speedo coloring is a little offbeat... HOWEVER: what if that is a programmable feature? My 05 GTO had an overspeed warning in the DIC, which you could set to any speed. I typically had mine set at 110, and believe it or not, it was a help, for those rare moments where one gets a little 'carried away' by the moment :o (I'm not going to go into how many times it got triggered :o ).

I kind of doubt the overspeed is progammable. But it's possible (after all, I'd bet the speedo can programmatically toggle between KMH and MPH, like my GP GXP's does). If so, it would be a handy feature for parents who let their teenage kids drive the car now and then.

One last comment, and I hope it's ok to comment about this John! But I notice you have been a member a couple years but don't post much. If I didn't know better, I'd think of you as a member of the 'silent majority' I was referring too recently, who don't post much but are more or less happy with the new Camaro :)

(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, John)

With a 300+hp V6 is there really a need for an entry level V8? (Don't think of it in terms as an enthusiast wanting a "cheap" V8 Camaro, think of it as a manufacturer trying to build cars that sell.) For that reason alone I think we can give up on the notion of an entry level V8. If the base Camaro comes with the Caddy V6, then we'll get a mass market V8 (LS3) and a high-content/ high-output supercharged V8 (LS8).


That's *IF* that's even the motor in there! If there isn't a "base" V-8, the base trim level had better be priced within a couple G's of a GT.

That's *IF* that's even the motor in there! If there isn't a "base" V-8, the base trim level had better be priced within a couple G's of a GT.Why wouldn't a mule have a real motor in it? :confused:

Trim levels are a different story. I can see a base model V6 (LS), two up-level model V6s (1LT, 2LT), a high-volume V8 with two trim levels (1SS, 2SS) and a low-volume high-content supercharged V8 with at least two trim levels (1Z28, 2Z28). (Just throwing letters and numbers out there to differentiate between them to explain my point. Nothing in what they mean ;) )

I'm sure we could find comparsions for each that match Ford, but wouldn't it be a hoot if the base V6 had as much hp as the Mustang GT and could keep up with it in a street fight?

Im getting REALY EXCITED:cool:
Everytime I come on here and see one of these threads, I feel like a kid on christmas morning.:D
Im loving the interior more and more with every new pic, and the outside, is more than I could of ever asked for.
As far as engines I hope its:
Base: 300+ HP V6
Mid: 430+ HP LS3
Top: 550+HP LS8 or whatever the call it.

Thank you GM and Camaro team.:bow:

Why wouldn't a mule have a real motor in it? :confused:

Trim levels are a different story. I can see a base model V6 (LS), two up-level model V6s (1LT, 2LT), a high-volume V8 with two trim levels (1SS, 2SS) and a low-volume high-content supercharged V8 with at least two trim levels (1Z28, 2Z28). (Just throwing letters and numbers out there to differentiate between them to explain my point. Nothing in what they mean ;) )

I'm sure we could find comparsions for each that match Ford, but wouldn't it be a hoot if the base V6 had as much hp as the Mustang GT and could keep up with it in a street fight?

:lol: Ya caught me in my wording... of course that's an engine in there (I hope). What I meant was *IF* it's the DI 3.6L V-6! :D

What would be super funny... *IF* GM can price the Camaro within the same "brackets" as the mustangs (engine/trim levels) and these engine choices are "the ones," you'll have a v6 camaro priced cheaper than a GT that has more/similar power and IRS (compared to a GT), and a V-8 with 100+ more horsepower... and IRS.... *IF* these events come about... why would anyone in their right mind buy a mustang? :D

Of course, I think Ford is waiting on the camaro to bump their shizzle up for '09.

I don't see anything in these images that sways me one way or the other. But keep the spy pics coming, please. :)

absolutely amazing!

everytime I see new pics it makes me want the car more!

I want to see some LS3 pics now :)

Ask and ye shall receive

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/541/ls3dt2.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ls3dt2.jpg)


Oh you wanted it in the Camaro...:p :p

JakeRobb, not liking 15% is pretty darn good. Personally, I feel the steering wheel proportions are a bit off & the radio juts out a bit too far. Perfection is too much to ask. However, like the fbodfather said, I know I'll grow to like most of the small turnoffs.

If we take the numbers literally, 15% means (approximately) that for every five things you like about the interior, there's one thing you don't like.

I'm more like one bad thing for every twenty good things.

You only listed two things that concern you. I have the same concerns (although I'm already coming around on the radio).

Ask and ye shall receive

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/541/ls3dt2.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ls3dt2.jpg)


Oh you wanted it in the Camaro...:p :p


tease.:cool:

If we take the numbers literally, 15% means (approximately) that for every five things you like about the interior, there's one thing you don't like.

I'm more like one bad thing for every twenty good things.

You only listed two things that concern you. I have the same concerns (although I'm already coming around on the radio).

more like 1 every 6 2/3 :D

Completely agree, a test drive is definitely in order. Do you think they will really make the DI v6 the base version? Will the additional Camaro units bring the costs down enough? I've got to admit that I don't know how much more one of the DI engines costs to manufacture over the normal v6.

However, if the MPG difference is minimal & price for the DI V6 and the LS3 aren't too far apart ($2K), I'll still be getting the v8... There is nothing like the rumble when u start up those Chevy v8s!

I think that the GT is going to get an upgrade to match the 340hp 5.7 Hemi that (I think the) Challenger R/T will have. I can see GM using the 3.6 DI as a base V6 to entice all the buyers who want the fastest V6 'cause their mom or wife won't let 'em have a V8. But unless the Camaro is a lot lighter than the Challenger & Mustang (which I expect to gain some weight with its new motor) then there would still be a need for a "base V8" like the L76.

Of course the LY7 block that the DI 3.6 is built on was designed for displacements of 2.8-4.0. So the "R/T & GT fighter" roll could be filled by a smaller twin turbo V6 or a NA DI 4.0 that would make about the same power as the 5.7 Hemi...

I'll tell ya what. You come up w/ a list of all features in the camaro interior and I'll check off the ones I like. Then, we can run it through excel and generate a little report .... I was just trying to show how my general attitude toward the interior really turned around after those first few pics (as i figured it would). Geez, you guys crack me up w/ nitpicking on the silliest stuff. :D I can see how one might get frustrated developing a product for this group. ;)

I think that the GT is going to get an upgrade to match the 340hp 5.7 Hemi that (I think the) Challenger R/T will have. I can see GM using the 3.6 DI as a base V6 to entice all the buyers who want the fastest V6 'cause their mom or wife won't let 'em have a V8. But unless the Camaro is a lot lighter than the Challenger & Mustang (which I expect to gain some weight with its new motor) then there would still be a need for a "base V8" like the L76.

Of course the LY7 block that the DI 3.6 is built on was designed for displacements of 2.8-4.0. So the "R/T & GT fighter" roll could be filled by a smaller twin turbo V6 or a NA DI 4.0 that would make about the same power as the 5.7 Hemi...

The RT will have approximately 380 HP, as show by the 5.7 Hemi in the new Dodge trucks.

One thing that gets me about trunk release buttons in the modern automobile. No security for the trunk if you valet park. I have an idea that makes it better, but it's probably not worth the money to patent the concept. I got the idea after i got my goat.

Put the trunk release in the glove compartment, like a lot of cars already do. And cars like the GTO already have a valet key for the glove compartment. Problem is, the key fob still has a release button. Here's the idea. Put a simple switch to sense when the glove compartment is locked, and lock out the trunk release too, even from the fob. Bingo.

There's still the drawback of the hidden pull for the GTO trunk, but most valet's wouldn't be that familiar with the car. And even that could be locked out by the interlock mechanism in a well designed system.


I used to have an ‘87 Alfa Romeo Spider that had a pull for the truck (and another for the gas flap) between the seatback and the doorsill. It was a little awkward to reach while seated (it was behind your left armpit) but pretty handy when standing next to the car (especially if the top was down). You could lock either pull with the key, and I think there was a valet key that wouldn’t unlock either pull or the glove box.

I’ve also seen a few Japanese cars with a similar system (on the floor or under the dash).

I think your’s would work best with a valet key that doesn’t have a truck button (any buttons?) and replace the hidden pull behind the backseat with a (non-valet) key slot on the trunk.

I sure hope the convertible has some access control to the trunk release when it is parked with the top down.

Oh, one more thing, I don't see an aux plug on the radio. I would like to be able to plug my MP3 into it. Did I miss it or is it some where else?

The latest tech has moved past the simple jack on the on the front of the radio face . There should be a plug in the center console or glove box , that allows it to charge and display all the Ipod info on the factory radio screen . Essencially unless your downloading songs or taking with u , plug it in and forget it .

One thing that gets me about trunk release buttons in the modern automobile. No security for the trunk if you valet park. I have an idea that makes it better, but it's probably not worth the money to patent the concept. I got the idea after i got my goat.

Put the trunk release in the glove compartment, like a lot of cars already do. And cars like the GTO already have a valet key for the glove compartment. Problem is, the key fob still has a release button. Here's the idea. Put a simple switch to sense when the glove compartment is locked, and lock out the trunk release too, even from the fob. Bingo.

There's still the drawback of the hidden pull for the GTO trunk, but most valet's wouldn't be that familiar with the car. And even that could be locked out by the interlock mechanism in a well designed system.

On Japanese and similar cars with the pull latch next to the seat, there is a lock right there that locks the latch very tight. You lock it with your main key and give the vallet the vallet key (which can only unlock the doors and start the car - it cannot open the trunk, glove box, or unlock the remote trunk lockout).

Rest assured GM will have a trunk release lockout switch inside the glovebox that can be locked with a different key than you give the vallet. Such was the setup in my Mom's 1998 Buick LeSabre - the trunk pop button was right on the dash next to the headlamp switch, and the lockout switch was in the glovebox.

I used to have an ‘87 Alfa Romeo Spider that had a pull for the truck (and another for the gas flap) between the seatback and the doorsill.
I’ve also seen a few Japanese cars with a similar system (on the floor or under the dash).



Our '99 corolla is exactly like that, except it's in front of the seat, between the seat and door sill. Very easy to reach sitting in the seat. There is a pull lever for both the trunk and fuel door.

more like 1 every 6 2/3 :D

Nope, that would leave you at 13%.

If, for every five things you like, there is one thing you don't like, that's SIX things. The percentage of dislike is one divided by SIX. 1/6 is 16.666...%. You said 15%, which computes out to 1 bad for every 5 2/3 good.

Note that, in my previous post, I said "approximately". :)

Our '99 corolla is exactly like that, except it's in front of the seat, between the seat and door sill. Very easy to reach sitting in the seat. There is a pull lever for both the trunk and fuel door.

Yah, that's been a great feature on Toyotas and Hondas for quite some time. In the last few years, I've seen some great examples (VW, Volvo, Audi) that have the trunk and fuel door release as buttons on the door--no mechanical switches. Plus, there's a key lock that completely locks out the trunk, and the rear seats lock with the key to prevent rear-seat entry into the trunk.

I hope the 5th gen brings back lockable compartments and good trunk security. There wasn't ever a sacred hiding place in any of my 4th gens unless I wanted to tear into the spare tire well. It was impossible to hide a gift or something valuable when the valet could just pop the hatch and look around.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229463766_852596560b_o.jpg


OK, OK- I KNOW this is a post about the underhood pics --- but ALL's I can think -over and over is:

1) I LOVE those console guages

2) I CANT WAIT to play with those knobs and all the buttons!!!

Yes, me = :nuts:

:cz28:

Yah, that's been a great feature on Toyotas and Hondas for quite some time. In the last few years, I've seen some great examples (VW, Volvo, Audi) that have the trunk and fuel door release as buttons on the door--no mechanical switches. Plus, there's a key lock that completely locks out the trunk, and the rear seats lock with the key to prevent rear-seat entry into the trunk.

I hope the 5th gen brings back lockable compartments and good trunk security. There wasn't ever a sacred hiding place in any of my 4th gens unless I wanted to tear into the spare tire well. It was impossible to hide a gift or something valuable when the valet could just pop the hatch and look around.

It is a great feature, but if your memory sucks, like mine, and you also have 3 other vehicles you drive it's easy to forget which button does what (you can't see them seated) and I've popped the trunk quite a few times when getting gas :lol:

A door button is a great idea!

Perhaps the color will be adjustable like on the Mustangs. :D

god i hope not. i keep mine the "ford green" as it matches the rest of the interior. if the can't make ALL of the lights the same color it will just be a gimmick. the camaro shouldn't be about gimmicks.

It is a great feature, but if your memory sucks, like mine, and you also have 3 other vehicles you drive it's easy to forget which button does what (you can't see them seated) and I've popped the trunk quite a few times when getting gas :lol:

A door button is a great idea!

I know your C-10 doesn't have a trunk release. :D In fact, I'll bet if it's like my '72 K5, the only heater controls are "DEF, HEAT, FAN" and if you want extra ventilation, you open up the vent windows in the door, or pull the lever for the vents that open up into the front fenders.

http://torgeir.vanvik.net/Z28/interior5.jpg


That brings back some memories of my 2002 Z.... looked just like that :(
RIP

These interior pics have been photoshopped.

IN MY OPINION, I think that these are photos released from GM to counter the recent interior spy shots.

Look at the winshield in this pic, there is no reason for it to look all distored, it doesnt even look blurry or match the rest of the picture, it has been altered. There are some other key elements that give it away, not to mention the fact that Scott hasnt posted in this thread and scorned them.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599975?viewSize=thumb800x800

These interior pics have been photoshopped.

IN MY OPINION, I think that these are photos released from GM to counter the recent interior spy shots.

Look at the winshield in this pic, there is no reason for it to look all distored, it doesnt even look blurry or match the rest of the picture, it has been altered. There are some other key elements that give it away, not to mention the fact that Scott hasnt posted in this thread and scorned them.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599975?viewSize=thumb800x800

ummm....no

I don't believe that they're released by GM...that's borderline Conspiracy theory...but there's absolutely NO denying that a couple of these were 'touched' by the all-powerful Photoshop program.

Check it:
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/09ChevyCamaroIntSpy1/1000599991

In my humble opinion - I think there's a car, or license plate that was distorted via the "liquify" feature of PS in front of Camaro.

You can't see the windshield in that pic. What you are seeing is a reflection off of an unfinished and very glossy dash pad.

You can't see the windshield in that pic. What you are seeing is a reflection off of an unfinished and very glossy dash pad.

Um No, the dashboard curves back down, that is the winshield.

If it was the dash, then why cant we still see the tape that wraps over the top of the gauge pod...

Not to mention, those swirls match the winshield in the other picture of the rear view mirror.

NOT the dashboard.

The dash,steering wheel and gauges look like a robot face..

Why wouldn't a mule have a real motor in it? :confused:

Trim levels are a different story. I can see a base model V6 (LS), two up-level model V6s (1LT, 2LT), a high-volume V8 with two trim levels (1SS, 2SS) and a low-volume high-content supercharged V8 with at least two trim levels (1Z28, 2Z28). (Just throwing letters and numbers out there to differentiate between them to explain my point. Nothing in what they mean ;) )

I'm sure we could find comparsions for each that match Ford, but wouldn't it be a hoot if the base V6 had as much hp as the Mustang GT and could keep up with it in a street fight?

Oh you mean like back around 96-98 when the 3800 series V6 engine debuted in the Fbody cars, producing 200hp and 225tq compared to the new 4.6L V8 that came out in the Mustang that made 215hp and 290tq.

Cold air/exhaust on a 5spd V6 Fbody car would make quite a few stock auto V8 Mustang owners sweat. Damn I cant believe its been that long since I razzed my SN95 Mustang friends about that.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229463766_852596560b_o.jpg


OK, OK- I KNOW this is a post about the underhood pics --- but ALL's I can think -over and over is:

1) I LOVE those console guages

2) I CANT WAIT to play with those knobs and all the buttons!!!

Yes, me = :nuts:

:cz28:


What, Nothing!?!?!?

This is some good comedy, folks. Is this not allowed?

What am I, Chopped-Liver?

Try the Veal, I'll be here all week..... :confused::rolleyes:

What, Nothing!?!?!?

This is some good comedy, folks. Is this not allowed?

What am I, Chopped-Liver?

Try the Veal, I'll be here all week..... :confused::rolleyes:

I'm with ya, I'm really liking the interior. Just put a Nav system in that radio and I'm good to go.

And 305 in a 6? That can't be base. That's going to be ridiculous. Dudes in Camaro 6s will put up to Mustang GTs and look over like "What?"

Would that necessarily be a bad thing? :D

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2229463766_852596560b_o.jpg


OK, OK- I KNOW this is a post about the underhood pics --- but ALL's I can think -over and over is:

1) I LOVE those console guages

2) I CANT WAIT to play with those knobs and all the buttons!!!

Yes, me = :nuts:

:cz28:
Me 2! :cool:

I know your C-10 doesn't have a trunk release. :D In fact, I'll bet if it's like my '72 K5, the only heater controls are "DEF, HEAT, FAN" and if you want extra ventilation, you open up the vent windows in the door, or pull the lever for the vents that open up into the front fenders.

Well, they used to be.... until I added a vintage air A/C kit :bow:

The 69-72 Blazers ROCK! I wish I had one. I'd like to make a "67" out of one.

Um No, the dashboard curves back down, that is the winshield.

If it was the dash, then why cant we still see the tape that wraps over the top of the gauge pod...

Not to mention, those swirls match the winshield in the other picture of the rear view mirror.

NOT the dashboard.

Pretty sure that you're wrong. On the left you can see the tape go halfway up so it's either a magic trick or the top of the dash.

Me 2! :cool:


I'm with you too! :D

Obviously the one shot through the windshield was distored because some sign was in the background that would have allowed folks from within GM to figure out when and where the photos were taken. As for the rest of the photos being intentionally photoshopped or altered...
:bs:

What?

I think what you are trying to say is that the V6 CAN POTENTIALLY do more than 306 hp. However, I highly doubt that they will put a V6 in a camaro that has HP numbers infringing on a V8.

I do however hope that they keep the V6 out of the CTS and do it like this:

Base V6 = 300 hp 3.6L-DI
Base V8 = 360 hp L76
Upgrade V8 = 430 hp LS3
HI-Po V8 = 550 HP LS8

For most of the line that leaves you with a 60-70 hp gap in between models, that is about perfect I think. And if they didnt want to do 3 V-8 engines, then just drop the L76 and go LS3 all the way.

First off you and I know things can change.

This is more of what your looking at.

V6 base at 260-280 HP

V6 upgrade 300-320 HP with DI and no turbo or supercharger

V8 430 HP Approx

V8 Supercharged 550 HP

I have predicted this line up for a long time and as of now I am on target for the two V8 engines.

I know form speaking to Scott they will make sure to have a lower power V6 for those who do not want power. Yes there are many who as he stated that are intimidated by higher powered cars. This and price require this combo.

I also know the CTS engine is just the start of DI. I expect a Non Turbo and non Supercharged 3.6 V6 to be able to reach 320-350 HP in the future. A turbo I am sure will be in the future with new CAFE and the full line of Turbo DI V6 engines at Ford. Yes even the Mustang GT may be a Turbo V6 as the 4.6 is falling from favore.

If GM can get 260 out of a Turbo 2.0 and can do up to 320 with no problems leves me to expect great thing being done with the 3.6 in the future. To many think you have to have a V8 when in history some of the best race engines ever were 6 cylinders. Offy's, Ferarri, BMW, Alfa, 300SL Benz and more.

We are moving into a time where the V8 will be around but it will be more limited in it's scope. We may face a 6th Gen with a V8 only in the top model in limited quanities. but the V6 may be doing the work of the present LS engine with no problems.

The bottom line is if you can make 400 HP in a V8 and a V6 turbo and get 2-4 MPF with the 6 what do you thing GM will chose. Just read up on the new V6 Tubo's coming to Ford and you will see part of what is coming. They already have a 350 HP V6 ready to go into the Taurus.

First off you and I know things can change.

This is more of what your looking at.

V6 base at 260-280 HP

V6 upgrade 300-320 HP with DI and no turbo or supercharger

V8 430 HP Approx

V8 Supercharged 550 HP

I have predicted this line up for a long time and as of now I am on target for the two V8 engines.

I know form speaking to Scott they will make sure to have a lower power V6 for those who do not want power. Yes there are many who as he stated that are intimidated by higher powered cars. This and price require this combo.

I also know the CTS engine is just the start of DI. I expect a Non Turbo and non Supercharged 3.6 V6 to be able to reach 320-350 HP in the future. A turbo I am sure will be in the future with new CAFE and the full line of Turbo DI V6 engines at Ford. Yes even the Mustang GT may be a Turbo V6 as the 4.6 is falling from favore.

If GM can get 260 out of a Turbo 2.0 and can do up to 320 with no problems leves me to expect great thing being done with the 3.6 in the future. To many think you have to have a V8 when in history some of the best race engines ever were 6 cylinders. Offy's, Ferarri, BMW, Alfa, 300SL Benz and more.

We are moving into a time where the V8 will be around but it will be more limited in it's scope. We may face a 6th Gen with a V8 only in the top model in limited quanities. but the V6 may be doing the work of the present LS engine with no problems.

The bottom line is if you can make 400 HP in a V8 and a V6 turbo and get 2-4 MPF with the 6 what do you thing GM will chose. Just read up on the new V6 Tubo's coming to Ford and you will see part of what is coming. They already have a 350 HP V6 ready to go into the Taurus.


This is very true. American car companies are realizing that great power can come from small packages. Japan and Europe have been making small, tiny little engines that can rev forever and make seriously large amounts of horsepower for their size for a long time. GM is making big investments in drivetrain technologies that go far and beyond the good ol' days of the 3800 and 350.

The creation of the 3.6 VVT was the key step. It established a couple of basic principles required in efficient but powerfull engines and gave GM the building blocks from which they can create more modern engines. Variable valve timing, PROPER use of overhead cam design (not that 3.4 V6 or the Quad 4 from the late 1980's-early 90's), extensive use of lightweight materials, and much more rigorous testing and refinement will pave the way for many future engines and different blocks.

Next year the 3800 is laid to rest permanently. I would assume the 3900 and 3500 won't be far behind after that. While it may seem blasphemous, a Z/28 with a 6 cylinder will be nothing to scoff at if it makes 350-400 hp and blows away current V8 powered cars, all the while getting 2-5 MPG more.

This is very true. American car companies are realizing that great power can come from small packages. Japan and Europe have been making small, tiny little engines that can rev forever and make seriously large amounts of horsepower for their size for a long time. GM is making big investments in drivetrain technologies that go far and beyond the good ol' days of the 3800 and 350.

The creation of the 3.6 VVT was the key step. It established a couple of basic principles required in efficient but powerfull engines and gave GM the building blocks from which they can create more modern engines. Variable valve timing, PROPER use of overhead cam design (not that 3.4 V6 or the Quad 4 from the late 1980's-early 90's), extensive use of lightweight materials, and much more rigorous testing and refinement will pave the way for many future engines and different blocks.

Next year the 3800 is laid to rest permanently. I would assume the 3900 and 3500 won't be far behind after that. While it may seem blasphemous, a Z/28 with a 6 cylinder will be nothing to scoff at if it makes 350-400 hp and blows away current V8 powered cars, all the while getting 2-5 MPG more.


While I still expect the V8 to be around in some form [smaller displacement 4.7]. I do see the 3.6 as the new work horse of GM . It is a very good engine and can work in so many vehicles in so many ways. If this engine alone can add 2-5 MPG to each vehicle it makes the rest of the work just a little easier to meet the new rules. Note I did not say easy.

Besides for everyday drivers few people need more than 300 HP. The average person would be happy with anything between 200-280 HP in most FWD sedans. As cars get lighter the mileage will improve even more. Add new technology and more efficentcy will be found.

I think with the ZR-1 the HP wars has found it's end we may see one last gain with that car before it all gives way to lighter and better handling cars.

I see 0-100-0 being the new bench mark. A lighter car can use less power but accelerate faster and stop quicker. It is a old Carrol Shelby concept that brings a more interesting car.

Imagine a 500 HP small displacment V8 in a C7 ZR-1 Vette at 2600 pounds with 14" ceramic brakes. Sometimes less is more.

Oh you mean like back around 96-98 when the 3800 series V6 engine debuted in the Fbody cars, producing 200hp and 225tq compared to the new 4.6L V8 that came out in the Mustang that made 215hp and 290tq.
Cold air/exhaust on a 5spd V6 Fbody car would make quite a few stock auto V8 Mustang owners sweat. Damn I cant believe its been that long since I razzed my SN95 Mustang friends about that.
They'd probably have a tough time with some Buicks as well.
Since I ran a 5spd, 3800 Firebird and pulled a car length on him in my 4 door, Park Ave Ultra this summer...twice! :D
PA= 225hp/275lbft.
A direct injected, VVT V6 could be trouble for small V8's..

Those days will again surface when V6 Camaro's will take on V8 Mustangs. Its time to step up the V6 GM. I just hope its DI'ed, just like the CTS. If that were to happen, I'd be one happy Camper :D

There is as good chance there may not be a V8 Mustang GT in a few years. Start reading what Ford is thinking about doing.

next pics should have a v8 in them

Imagine a 500 HP small displacment V8 in a C7 ZR-1 Vette at 2600 pounds with 14" ceramic brakes. Sometimes less is more.

NOPE, The days of light cars are long gone, at least light cars that we can afford. With crash ratings on new cars getting higher and new tests being thought up, we are pretty much stuck in the 3600-4000lb range.... It would be IMPOSSIBLE to get a vette to 2600lbs and still maintain an interior, let alone cruise control, AC, radio, power windows. and dont even say they can make it all out of carbon fiber or some other exotic material.... that doesnt count for a mass produced car. BUT even then I still think it would be impossible to get to 2600lbs.

NOPE, The days of light cars are long gone, at least light cars that we can afford. With crash ratings on new cars getting higher and new tests being thought up, we are pretty much stuck in the 3600-4000lb range.... It would be IMPOSSIBLE to get a vette to 2600lbs and still maintain an interior, let alone cruise control, AC, radio, power windows. and dont even say they can make it all out of carbon fiber or some other exotic material.... that doesnt count for a mass produced car. BUT even then I still think it would be impossible to get to 2600lbs.

I think the pendulum is about to swing towards lighter cars again, and if there is one silver lining in CAFE, that would be it. The days of two ton sporty coupes are numbered.

Ford has already announced that all of it's next gen cars will lose 200-300 pounds. And I believe it, especially if they adopt alot of Mazda's know how and processes

Expect cars to get slightly smaller with lots more high strength and ultra high strength steel, aluminum and more exotic alloys, and composite materials. And just generally a greater emphasis on weight control in every facet of car design and manufacturing.

With that said, a 2,600 lbs Vette, would be tough if not impossible to do if it still packaged a V8.


Here's a good read on how Mazda used "gram strategy" to keep the Miata so light. It's an interesting piece I think:


Mazda MX-5 - Successful Diet Programme
Lighter than its predecessor


Larger, stiffer and better equipped – but only 10 kg heavier
Painstaking “gram strategy” applied to all components of the cult roadster
Extensive use of high-strength steels, aluminium and composite materials
Almost all new automobiles today are in danger of being heavier than their predecessors, due to ever-stricter safety standards and higher customer demands for comfort features. Mazda wanted to reverse this trend – and was successful.



Delivering a lightweight roadster had highest priority during the development of the new Mazda MX-5. As a result, the third-generation version of the cult roadster is only 10 kg heavier than its predecessor (depending on version).



This modest weight gain is achieved despite the third-generation MX-5 being the first to have side airbags, despite having larger wheels, more powerful engines, an extended standard equipment package and a strengthened body shell.



Thanks to the gram strategy diet, the latest two-seater retains the true aura of Mazda’s original nimble, responsive handling roadster, a sports car whose rear-wheel drive transmission and powerful, frugal four-cylinder engines are still sufficient to deliver truly exhilarating performance.



The soft top is still manual like before – so Mazda could avoid the heavier solution here of an electro-hydraulic retractable top.



By weight, 58 percent of all body components of the new Mazda MX-5 are made of ultra high-strength steel or high-strength steel, which save 10 kg. Using aluminium for the bonnet, boot lid, the powerplant frame, front suspension control arms, rear hub carriers, rear brake callipers and rear suspension spring seats reduces weight even further. The front suspension control arms and the hollow front stabilizer alone cut 6.2 kg of unnecessary weight at the front axle.



Revolutionary Welding Process for the Boot Lid


Spot friction welding, a process first employed on the Mazda RX-8, is used for the boot lid of the new Mazda MX-5. This process, for which Mazda has registered 20 patents, joins zinc covered steel and aluminium panelling. Employing a high-speed spinning tool creates enough heat to spot bind these very different materials to one another. The employment of zinc-coated steel sheeting has other advantages as well. Since zinc melts and runs when heated, it removes the oxidation surface that would otherwise remain at the spot the two metals are welded together, and only without this is a truly robust spot weld possible, because it prevents the chance of corrosion. This process also saves large amounts of electric current needed for traditional spot welding, and the boot lid is now 2.5 kg lighter as well.



Other examples of lightweight construction are the intake manifold (- 2.4 kg) and the cylinder head cover (- 1.3 kg), both being made of plastic. Mazda’s gram strategy also dictated mounting the power steering pump and the air conditioning compressor directly to the engine, which did away with the need of a bracket and saved 3.2 kg. The engines themselves are also lighter than the engines of the outgoing model. The block of the 2.0-litre, for instance, is 5.4 kg lighter than the grey cast-iron block of the 1.8-litre power unit of the previous model.



Optimized Rearview Mirror Saves 84 Grams


Even the smallest of details like the rearview mirror contributed to Mazda’s painstaking vehicle diet programme. Simplifying the mirror’s design saved 84 grams.



During the early phases of Mazda MX-5 development, engineers compiled a list of 573 weight-saving ideas. Had they incorporated all of these, the third-generation Mazda MX-5 would have been 43.5 kg lighter than the previous model. While this radical diet was not completely implemented for reasons of long-term durability and/or due to safety considerations, the curb weight target for a new Mazda MX-5 entry-grade version was achieved.



Combined with an ideal 50:50 weight distribution between the front and rear axles and a lower centre of gravity, the lightweight construction principle of the new Mazda MX-5 delivers high levels of driving fun and much improved occupant safety. Through the use of high-strength steel, the body shell is now 47 percent stiffer for torsional [twisting]rigidity and 22 percent for flexural [bending] rigidity – than the second-generation MX-5, an improvement that enhances both driving enjoyment and occupant safety.



Mazda’s Gram Strategy – Main Components that are Lighter on the new Mazda MX-5 versus the Previous Model



High-strength and ultra high-strength steel in the body and floor assembly -10 kg
Aluminium block of the 2.0-litre engine -5.4 kg
Bracketless power steering pump and air conditioning compressor -3.2 kg
Hollow front stabilizer -2.4 kg
High-strength steel seat frames -2.4 kg per seat
Modifications to the steering system -0.6 kg
Plastic intake manifold -2.4 kg
Plastic cylinder head cover -1.3 kg
Aluminium front suspension lower control arms -2.3 kg
Aluminium front suspension upper control arms -1.5 kg
Aluminium rear brake callipers -1.5 kg
Aluminium rear bearing support -1.75 kg
Aluminium boot lid -2.5 kg
New control units for ABS and dynamic stability control -1.1 kg
Lighter cloth top (including hollow B-pillar brace) –200/ -400 grams
New rearview mirror -84 grams

Mazda Invested More Weight in the Following Safety Components



Strengthened A-pillar +5.4 kg
New side-impact protection in the doors +1.0 kg
New bulkhead behind the seats +12.8 kg
Side airbags +2.3 kg

I personally think OEM's have just overcome all the extra weight todays safety standards are adding with more powerful engines .....because they could . Its certainly easier to ekk more power from an engine than reduce chassis weight . Im with Charlie .....I think you will now see chassis's get ALOT more attention that they ever have .

Ford has already announced that all of it's next gen cars will lose 200-300 pounds. And I believe it, especially if they adopt alot of Mazda's know how and processes

As much as I loved my two 82 Rx7s and the last gen rx7, Mazda would really have to prove their more than tin cans to me. I came up on a wreck of a 90's 626 or so that ran off the road and its roof wrapped around a tree. The people were cut out of the floorboards. Maybe its me but their super thin sheetmetal scare me. I was never happy about the miata essentially replacing the rx7 either...

I do like the idea though. Sounds like how the Z06 was done

NOPE, The days of light cars are long gone, at least light cars that we can afford. With crash ratings on new cars getting higher and new tests being thought up, we are pretty much stuck in the 3600-4000lb range.... It would be IMPOSSIBLE to get a vette to 2600lbs and still maintain an interior, let alone cruise control, AC, radio, power windows. and dont even say they can make it all out of carbon fiber or some other exotic material.... that doesnt count for a mass produced car. BUT even then I still think it would be impossible to get to 2600lbs.

It is foolish to say it is impossible.

Please note that they are looking into making the Vette Smaller. Also They are looking at using more lighter metals and and technology. GM is already with many other companied looking into the use of Compsites once too expensive but now are viable with need and a increase in cost.

Cabon fibre and other new materials will arrive. Heck today we even have a Balsa wood floor in the present Vette. Tell me 10 years ago you would have expected Balsa wood.

2600-3000 pound C7 has a realistic chance per their manager.

The future Vette may be a little more of the size of a Solstice with a 4.7 liter engine as the Vette manager was quoted they were considering.

All the cards are on the table and things are going to change inmany ways. the last CAFE changes in the 70's-80's brough size reduction off all cars and technology like fuel injection that untill then were too expensive for the average car but now were required for emisasions and mileage.

The bottom line is technology and size is hwo the weight will come off all cars. Much of the technology is already here just the MFG were not will to take on the cost. But today Bob Lutz has said the new cars will increas in price by at least $6,000.00. That my friend is to pay for the more expensive materials and technology they are not using today.

Today they can make lighter cars just they could still meet standards with the addition of more cheap steel. THey also never had to factor too much on size. Today the rules have changes and many concpets will also change.

Never say never in this day and age. Think what we had 10 years ago vs today. We will see 2-3 time more change with the new rules and the car as we know it will evolve much in the next 10 years.

Why do you think many of the plans for the new platforms are on hold? They are not looking to make car heavier or more powerful.

I personally think OEM's have just overcome all the extra weight todays safety standards are adding with more powerful engines .....because they could . Its certainly easier to ekk more power from an engine than reduce chassis weight . Im with Charlie .....I think you will now see chassis's get ALOT more attention that they ever have .


For sure. Under old CAFE, it became easier to met EPA and performance targets by merely improving powertrains, in spite of weight gain... rather than controlling or even reducing weight. Those days are going to be over soon. And yes, it's going to cost - at least initially.

I think between new US CAFE, and new Euro CO2 standards, we're going to see LOTS of changes in the next 5-10 years.

As much as I loved my two 82 Rx7s and the last gen rx7, Mazda would really have to prove their more than tin cans to me. I came up on a wreck of a 90's 626 or so that ran off the road and its roof wrapped around a tree. The people were cut out of the floorboards. Maybe its me but their super thin sheetmetal scare me. I was never happy about the miata essentially replacing the rx7 either...

I do like the idea though. Sounds like how the Z06 was done

I expect much will be done with new materials not used before due to cost.

But in the end cars will fast the requiremnts but not feel as solid as some in the past. Lets face it the Charger even over 4,000 points is not as solid of a feeing car as a 38 Chevy. The thickness of the steel is staggering. But the Charger is still a safe solid car.

Even the Smart car is solid enought to not implode hitting a concrete barrier at 70 MPH. The car remaind in tact. Now on the other hand no one would have lived with the G force it went through since there is no crush space.

The challange is to build a strong, crushable car that is light weight. It also must be affordable and repairable.

Now if yout take out the Affordable and repairable it makes it so much easier but those two things are what make it a real challange.

NOPE, The days of light cars are long gone, at least light cars that we can afford. With crash ratings on new cars getting higher and new tests being thought up, we are pretty much stuck in the 3600-4000lb range.... It would be IMPOSSIBLE to get a vette to 2600lbs and still maintain an interior, let alone cruise control, AC, radio, power windows. and dont even say they can make it all out of carbon fiber or some other exotic material.... that doesnt count for a mass produced car. BUT even then I still think it would be impossible to get to 2600lbs.
I agree with a lot of this. Safety requirements are a big factor, including tougher side and rollover. And while 'impossible' might be not quite the right word - fact is it WILL be tough ( = expensive) to reduce weight a lot.

As for comments by others here about technology... I do agree with the notion we can do a lot with technology. But there are other factors here too. One is America's love affair with cars, and roomy SUV/trucks. (BTW who here wants to be driving around on American roads in a lightweight wondermobile, staring at the grilles of two- and three-ton trucks and SUV's? Hmm... safety...) America's attitudes about having large, comfortable, peppy and useful personal transportation are not changing much, any time soon. What MIGHT be ending, or heavily revised, is the outrageous new CAFE limits. People are going to revolt, once they realize they need to pay $6000 more for new vehicles, just so we don't have to get oil from ANWR. They will get angry when the man-made-global-warming hoax is exposed as such. Then they will get up in arms as only Americans do... and vote the clowns out of Congress.

Here's a good read on how Mazda used "gram strategy" to keep the Miata so light. It's an interesting piece I think:

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It's great Mazda is sweating the details (incidentally Chevy did the same thing with the C6 design, but without the adoring media coverage). They do have some hits in the marketplace, like the MX5 and the 3. But while they are sweating grams, maybe they should also be sweating quality a little more. JD power has them below the industry average, and below every GM division except Hummer, for initial quality:

http://www.jdpa.com/NeWs/relEaSes/pressrelease.asp?ID=2004037