I have to tapp out...

Its been a cool journey with a lot of ups and a few downs...a lot of anticipation and some let downs but the journey for me is finally over...I know am going to get flamed and its cool... In my pursuit of happiness I have gotten rid of... I sold my 1995 3.4 camaro totally loved it went to a 1993 z28 I spent for me what I considered a lot of money resurrecting her, and loved every minute, of it and from there in anticipation of the camaro comeing out in 2008 got rid of it and went to a 2000 cadillac sts loved the performance but hated the car, it was a money pit that In the long run I sold my 1993 z28 for 1500$, after putting 20000$ into long story short thats when things began to go down hill....This whole time I'm waiting for the camaro at first I was checking the board daily for information probably for the first year after concept photos were leaked...I fell in love could not wait for information I felt like a addict sometimes comeing to the site five or six times a day then when the 2008 camaro became the 2009 camaro a little disapointment and less visits followed, but what the hell. The whole time this is takeing place I'm changing cars but hoping the release of the camaro is in the near future to know avail, well I ended up tradeing that p.o.s. Sts for A chrysler 300c (cool car) still in the back of my mind eyeing that camaro Then I am hit with 2010....Thinking hell thats some b.s. but I still have a glimmer of hope... Then I see the leaked pics of the model with all tape on it and I am like it still has potential but can tell it is noticeably different from the concept....and then she is uveiled and damn damn dayumn I don't like it I keep coming back trying to see things differently but I don't. I mean I keep trying but I just can't make myself see something that is not there for me I really want to love this car for the past 2 1/2 years I have been a devoted follower of the gospel but now I guess I am just switching religions....The new camaro is cool but it is not in IN MY OPINION
as masculine as the concept the lines aren't as strong I can't speak for nobody else but me, I just am not feeling it and I know it is not in its final trim form but the things I don't like are major....Now if saleen came out with a concept kit that was based on the GTO for around thirty to thirty five grand I would buy it, I loved the concept, I loved the Bumble Bee camaro....I have sacrificed too much to settle for something that I would have to make myself O.K. with I might eventually get another fbody camaro in the future but now I have a void and need something to fix it....Good luck to you all and (Oh yeah hopefully they don't go with that interior it looks very cheap like the G6) I hope you who purchase it are very happy with your camaros....C Ya

GM marketed the Camaro too quickly and too much in a short period of time. It's just grown stale for a lot of people right now.

GM marketed the Camaro too quickly and too much in a short period of time. It's just grown stale for a lot of people right now.

agreed

Couple of things...

1. It was never a 2008 or 2009 Camaro, not from GM anyway.

2. The cars NEVER photograph as well as they look in person. You can make the Concepts look plenty ugly from the wrong angles. The differences you see between the good looking concept pictures and the leaked photos are that the concept photos GM chose to release were the best of probably hundreds that they had to choose from. The leaked photo was an unstaged shot they had from testing. Hardly a fair comparison.

But, whatever, don't get in so deep financially w/ something else that you can't get out of it when you see the new car IN PERSON. ;)

I don't see how you can write off a car that you have not driven yet, much less seen in person.
There are very few changes from the concept to the preproduction prototype. + none of us have seen pics of this car in any color but white.

Back in '03 I excited about the GTO, but the price and the performance and some aspects of it's styling didn't do it for me. Finally in July '04 I drove a A4 GTO. I loved the interior and was very comfortable in it but the steering, the ride and the tranny shifitng up early made it a no sale.
The guys at ls1gto urged me to drive a M6 and to make sure the tires weren't overinflated to 55 lbs. Test drove a M6 in November '04(had to let 20lbs of air out of the tires) and said WOW, so this is what I've been missing. Bought the '04 and now have a '06 GTO. Fantastic car.

So I wrote off a great car that I had driven, gave it a second chance, and bought 2. You're writing off a car that isn't even out yet. I think you should reconsider.

Like a previous poster said the car was never a '08 or a '09. I'm always amazed that people think that a manufacturer can tool and build a car in a year.

I can just see Scott's blood vessels popping out of his neck as we speak.....:mad:

People are basing their final opinions on a car that is still in a developmental process, not yet finished, and taken with low quality cameras at crappy angles in poor lighting, and the most recent ones with someone who had a few too many cups of coffee this morning.

I completely understand why he gets upset - the car is not done yet! The only fault I could have with GM right now is that they need change their way of developing cars in order to keep the pre-production models out of sight of the modern world with cell phone cameras.

As I've suggested to Scott before, make a plastic realistic looking cover of a 1982 Chevy Citation and put it over the cars they need to take out in public :D

I don't see how you can write off a car that you have not driven yet, much less seen in person.
There are very few changes from the concept to the preproduction prototype. + none of us have seen pics of this car in any color but white.

Back in '03 I excited about the GTO, but the price and the performance and some aspects of it's styling didn't do it for me. Finally in July '04 I drove a A4 GTO. I loved the interior and was very comfortable in it but the steering, the ride and the tranny shifitng up early made it a no sale.
The guys at ls1gto urged me to drive a M6 and to make sure the tires weren't overinflated to 55 lbs. Test drove a M6 in November '04(had to let 20lbs of air out of the tires) and said WOW, so this is what I've been missing. Bought the '04 and now have a '06 GTO. Fantastic car.

So I wrote off a great car that I had driven, gave it a second chance, and bought 2. You're writing off a car that isn't even out yet. I think you should reconsider.

Like a previous poster said the car was never a '08 or a '09. I'm always amazed that people think that a manufacturer can tool and build a car in a year.

I would really like to post my pics from the kansas auto show on 03/10/06 and show you the car that I saw and have pictures of .It is not a performance issue its just things that I don't like about the car and they are major appearance things and the pics of the int. just made it worse, no those aren't final products but it will be along those lines..(and if someone could tell me how to post pics from my docs I will)...say what you want the lines are a little different...ford did the same thing with the 2005 mustang vs the mustang gt concept the lines were different not much but still different....I'll say ,this in my wait for the "whatever year camaro its gonna be" had the car come out a few years ago I probably would have purchased it as such...understand the concept photos however and by whoever were leaked and gm had a product at the 2006 auto shows, with that said the camaro the last model was a 2002 model so for all the enthusiast for all the casual for all the swing buyers of the camaro they have had 7 years to test the waters of other automakers for the simple fact that there was no product by gm for that market being the rearwheel drive not only coupe but also the sedan yeah you can say the pontiac Gto which was priced well above the z28 and did not have the feel of the z28 (I have driven both)....all I am saying is one if gm was gonna redo the camaro & it was gonna be four years in the makeing it should have been kept under better wraps because regardless to us being enthusiast the body style by the time it hits th streets will be four years old and just because time stood still for the camaro doesn't mean it will stand still for other makers models. I am speaking from a love stand point....My prom date is a blind date and she is late and she doesnt look like she did in her pictures...that doesn't mean shes not a great date it just means I don't want to go to prom with her anymore...There will hopefully be hundreds of thousands of people to take my place....

Im sorry you had a 3.4L ANY YEAR Camaro and a '93.... Chevy can say what they want about Camaro warranty claims but those '93's were a dog of a different breed!

Holy run-on sentence... I made it about 1/3 of the way through that post and I got tired.

There are very few changes from the concept to the preproduction prototype.

I keep seeing people say this here and I really think people are in straight-up denial. There are 3 MAJOR things that we can conclude on by looking at the pictures.. the car is noticeably narrower, it has a taller roof line and belt line, and they have rounded just about every edge on the car (this is especially evident on the rear). You can say that the car will not look the same in person, etc., but what you can do is compare pictures of the concept to the pre-production pictures, and that removes the whole "in-person" argument. If you cannot see these 3 major differences via the pictures, you are blind. I don't care if the pre-production pictures were shot with a 360 degree lense, anybody with any perspective can see this. Now I'm not saying that I hate the pre-prod because of this, I just favor the sharpness of the concept.

Buh-bye.

See ya in Albuquerque

Concept debuted in Jan '06, production starts in 4Q'08 = 4 years :confused:?

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Concept debuted in Jan '06, production starts in 4Q'08 = 4 years :confused:?

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:thumb: Amen. I'm with you on that one!
Clyde

More Camaros for the rest of us then. Looks like I'll be seeing you in my rearview mirror.

That has to be the biggest run-on sentence ever...






....oh yeah and he did post something about not liking the 5th gen and blah blah but the grammatical errors kept distracting me :p

Honestly? Just stay out of the 5th gen threads on this site and you will not be so 'tapped out'. 80% of the public out there have no idea that the new Camaro is coming out. That's even with the Transformer movie. Because you are always looking at the latest and greatest news here and from other enthusiats sites, you think everyone has as much information as you. Not so.

When the car comes out, I guarantee you will go bonkers for it.

First of all, I dont see why anyone should flame you. I didnt see anything flame worthy in your post.

Secondly, Everyone is absolutely entitled to their own opinion. I can understand how looking at the pictures dont have you as excited as you once were- and in fact let down. But, have you ever seen a car in just the "right" color and suddenly changed your mind about it?

All Im getting at is that until you can see the car in person- you haven't seen it.

This is true for lots of things: cars, houses, blind dates, the Grand Canyon...

You should live long and prosper and dont buy anything you have to talk yourself into likeing- but maybe you should plan one more post after the car is on the show room floors- if you see it and change your mind- so be it. If you see it and it confirms your dissapointments- then so be that too. I'm curious to find out what your flesh-on-metal final take is.

I'd be willing to bet that as many people will be turned on to the production version as turned off.

Now, if someone has a spare $$$k to give me to buy mine, Id sure appreciate it!! :bow:

Concept debuted in Jan '06, production starts in 4Q'08 = 4 years :confused:?

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My bad I thought the last time someone drove a new production model camaro was the 2002 model my bad. Since people were driving the production model of the 2006 Yeah I guess it is only 4 years.:bow:

The car is not as wide and is taller and the lines are rounded..Enough said:cool:

Is taller a bad thing?

My bad I thought the last time someone drove a new production model camaro was the 2002 model my bad. Since people were driving the production model of the 2006 Yeah I guess it is only 4 years.:bow:

Everybody wants to start the timer in 2006 and I disagree too. The Camaro was killed even before 2002 but the last one rolled off the line in 2002. Some people in GM kept the faith and fought the good fight but couldn't really do any real work or preparation for the car without justification. The sucess of the 2004 mustang gave them justification. At some point during the 2004 year people got the go ahead to start looking at a new Camaro. They got the concept out in January 2006. They got approval to start looking at production soon after. They had to wait on the plant to build it. It starts production late this year but for all purposes it won't be in any showrooms until January 2009 as a 2010 model. I think 4 years is generous. 10 -11 years since the MCE of the 4th gen. 6 years since the end of the 4th gen. 5 years since the debut of the 04 mustang. 4 since the 04 sales numbers came in. 3 years from the concept to the production car hitting the streets. You can look at that 3 years from the concept to the streets and be impressed but I am not. I don't blame the engineers and designers. I think they have done a great job and I'm excited about the car. I think they have worked very quickly given the conditions and restraints placed on them. I blame GM's bureaucracy for sitting on their hands too long.

Is taller a bad thing?

If you consider that it takes away from the overall aggressiveness/stance that the concept had, it is IMO.

Its been a cool journey with a lot of ups and a few downs...a lot of anticipation and some let downs but the journey for me is finally over...I know am going to get flamed and its cool... In my pursuit of happiness I have gotten rid of... I sold my 1995 3.4 camaro totally loved it went to a 1993 z28 I spent for me what I considered a lot of money resurrecting her, and loved every minute, of it and from there in anticipation of the camaro comeing out in 2008 got rid of it and went to a 2000 cadillac sts loved the performance but hated the car, it was a money pit that In the long run I sold my 1993 z28 for 1500$, after putting 20000$ into long story short thats when things began to go down hill....This whole time I'm waiting for the camaro at first I was checking the board daily for information probably for the first year after concept photos were leaked...I fell in love could not wait for information I felt like a addict sometimes comeing to the site five or six times a day then when the 2008 camaro became the 2009 camaro a little disapointment and less visits followed, but what the hell. The whole time this is takeing place I'm changing cars but hoping the release of the camaro is in the near future to know avail, well I ended up tradeing that p.o.s. Sts for A chrysler 300c (cool car) still in the back of my mind eyeing that camaro Then I am hit with 2010....Thinking hell thats some b.s. but I still have a glimmer of hope... Then I see the leaked pics of the model with all tape on it and I am like it still has potential but can tell it is noticeably different from the concept....and then she is uveiled and damn damn dayumn I don't like it I keep coming back trying to see things differently but I don't. I mean I keep trying but I just can't make myself see something that is not there for me I really want to love this car for the past 2 1/2 years I have been a devoted follower of the gospel but now I guess I am just switching religions....The new camaro is cool but it is not in IN MY OPINION
as masculine as the concept the lines aren't as strong I can't speak for nobody else but me, I just am not feeling it and I know it is not in its final trim form but the things I don't like are major....Now if saleen came out with a concept kit that was based on the GTO for around thirty to thirty five grand I would buy it, I loved the concept, I loved the Bumble Bee camaro....I have sacrificed too much to settle for something that I would have to make myself O.K. with I might eventually get another fbody camaro in the future but now I have a void and need something to fix it....Good luck to you all and (Oh yeah hopefully they don't go with that interior it looks very cheap like the G6) I hope you who purchase it are very happy with your camaros....C Ya

It's unfortunate the coming Camaro won't meet your expectations. GM may well not earn your business, but perhaps, there's another car they offer that will do it for you.

Best of luck to you.

It's unfortunate the coming Camaro won't meet your expectations. GM may well not earn your business, but perhaps, there's another car they offer that will do it for you.

Best of luck to you.

Thanx and I will probably purchase a gm performance car....It kills me how people are so damn sensitive I didn't say the car was ugly. I didn't say I wasn't going to buy a older camaro. I didn't say I would swear off of gm. I said the preproduction model wich I know isnt in its final trim I am not as passionate about as I was the concept. The dimensions of the car have changed slightly and that slight change doesn't do it for me, or better yet my 35 grand. If it was a cheaper car yeah or hell maybe i'll pick up one used down the line....And I am not bashing gm but the could do a better job of keeping things underwrap more or less they created the hype the expectation the anxiety surrounding this car...

5 years since the debut of the 04 mustang. 4 since the 04 sales numbers came in. 3 years from the concept to the production car hitting the streets. You can look at that 3 years from the concept to the streets and be impressed but I am not.

http://www.mustangforums.com/timeline/2004-ford-mustang/images/2004-Mustang-GT.jpg
2004 Mustang...

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2005_Mustang_coupe2r.jpg
2005 Mustang

The concept, which was already given an ok for production, debuted in 04. So while Ford got its pony car from concept to market in a year, it had in reality been working on it for much longer than that. On top of that, sales numbers couldnt have been compiled for the S197 Mustang until later in 2005. Id say 3 years from a concept that may or may not reach production, to havig the car rolling off the line is pretty damn good.

Bye bye!
We need our own 5th gen set of Mods.
Lock this, delete all posts, and send this to the depths.
dont wana buy it cause its taking too long? cause you dont like this or that?
well good thing GM took its time, or elseyou would have bought the Camaro, grew tired of it in 2 months, and look to sell it already.
Sorry they couldnt rush this out to you. Enjoy whatever the hell you picked, hopefully you dont cry tears of pain when it blows your doors off.

Man I should have waited



:D Have fun driving your new not-a-Camaro

Bye bye!
We need our own 5th gen set of Mods.
Lock this, delete all posts, and send this to the depths.
dont wana buy it cause its taking too long? cause you dont like this or that?
well good thing GM took its time, or elseyou would have bought the Camaro, grew tired of it in 2 months, and look to sell it already.
Sorry they couldnt rush this out to you. Enjoy whatever the hell you picked, hopefully you dont cry tears of pain when it blows your doors off.

Sounds like someone is a little upset:cry: did someone with an OPINION about the 5th Gen. step on your toes? Most people on this website probably eat, sleep and dream Camaros, but not everybody is going to stand up for a car that isn't even on the streets yet.
I agree with the original poster and think GM did make a big mistake by releasing the concept car in 06 and not releasing the production until 2009. Not to mention GM has had absolutely nothing rwd since 2002 to fill the Camaros place, with the exception of the pig GTO/last minute idea.

What's happened is since the new 5th gen. Camaro has dragged so much a&* in the time it took to go from concept to production right in the face of overexposure, THE competitor has now completely revamped their upcoming 2010.

If GM was smart they would of released the 5th gen. this year as a concept car and the production in early 2009. That way Ford, Chrysler etc... woulden't have the time to completely redo their competitor. Even though the 2010 model refresh for the Mustang was probably reutine, you can bet the Camaro concept had a little influence as apposed to nothing on the radar.

You would think GM and the Camaro team would pick up on a few things from the competitor they've envied most. Sure the Camaro's were quicker, handled a tad better and stopped in a shorter distance. Bottom line the Mustang is still rolling down the line, the Camaro is not. Ford had the production Mustang done when the concept mustang debuted in 03 and a year later the 05 production was rolling down the line.

I will buy a 2010 Camaro still more than likely, but with the other competitors now updating everything they've got it will not be an easy choice.

I think its too bad people are making bad remarks about this car. Give it some time. You know I am on this site looking back and forth 10 times a day and it never dissapoints me. I guess everyone is different but I say just give it some time.

lines are rounded..Enough said:cool:

I really dont think they are any moreso than the concept. Like you said the dimensions changed slightly. I think thats what made it apear that way which looks better to me. If you look at the concept I think it was the width and chopped top that made it look flat. To each their own. Good luck!

1 question.

How was it a big mistake for gm to show the concept in jan of 06, when weather or not GM was going to produce this car was directly based upon the public's reaction?


I mean come on, the car wasnt a go for production until Mid AUGUST of 06. The car was shown in Jan 06 as a concept..

yes, it may seem like forever, but once the final product is out, all of us will look back and say remember how we thought it was such a long time, now we're so glad they did take their time and give us this awesome car..

thats my thoughts anyways.

That Chrysler toad you bought has the lines of a brick. Of all the cars you could have purchased after giving up on the new Camaro, why a 300C? I, on the other hand, am going to buy an 07 Monte Carlo SS with 3000 miles and $11,000 under original sticker. I'll have something different to drive this year, and IF the new Camaro is a must have, the Monte has already taken a major depreciation bite and I probably won't loose too much in the year I owned it.

I don't understand the compulsion of people to announce they're not buying the car.

You felt like an addict coming to this site six or seven times a day?

If I only get on here six or seven times a day, I feel like I'm slacking.

:o

:cz28:

I don't understand the compulsion of people to announce they're not buying the car.

Bravo I agree 100%
I don't see the point to post that your not going to buy the car. That's fine. I can only think it's done for attention or to someohow cause a debate or get people here to beg them to reconsider. This post seems to be a long winded complaint supported by their opinion. We can't change that and would it really matter if we did.

You either like the car or you don't, buy it or won't. Opinions about the Camaro have no impact on it pro or con.

Good things come for those who wait.

That Chrysler toad you bought has the lines of a brick. Of all the cars you could have purchased after giving up on the new Camaro, why a 300C? I, on the other hand, am going to buy an 07 Monte Carlo SS with 3000 miles and $11,000 under original sticker. I'll have something different to drive this year, and IF the new Camaro is a must have, the Monte has already taken a major depreciation bite and I probably won't loose too much in the year I owned it.

Thats funny thats what I call my car "The Brick" but he runs and guess what I didn't give it up for a 300c I didn't drive it enough and it was just wasting away I figured why not let somebody else enjoy the car and actually I bought a Cadillac STS with the money I got from my Z28 ...and the STS was a money pit...the notorious head gasket problem the notorious 3 to 5 thousand dollar head gasket problem....And like it or not outside of the corvette gm currently doesn't make anything to hang with the brick. By the way I hate I got rid of my 93 z.:(

I don't understand the compulsion of people to announce they're not buying the car.

It's the same compulsion to announce that they are buying the car, and listing options. It's called passion, and my passion has led to a broken heart, I can do that. Thats what forums are for right?

isn't this white camaro the V6 preproduction version, meaning that the V8 models are pretty much going to look different?

http://www.mustangforums.com/timeline/2004-ford-mustang/images/2004-Mustang-GT.jpg
2004 Mustang...

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2005_Mustang_coupe2r.jpg
2005 Mustang

The concept, which was already given an ok for production, debuted in 04. So while Ford got its pony car from concept to market in a year, it had in reality been working on it for much longer than that. On top of that, sales numbers couldnt have been compiled for the S197 Mustang until later in 2005. Id say 3 years from a concept that may or may not reach production, to havig the car rolling off the line is pretty damn good.

I apologize. You are absolutely correct. I was thinking the new body style debuted in 04 when in fact it was late 04/early 05. I wasn't trying to say that Ford got there concept to market in one year and Chevy should have been able to do the same. Ford was in a completely different situation. My numbers were completly off. Sorry again.

The 05 mustang's concept was created AFTER the production car was already finalized.

And also the car was also delayed many times (it was originally a 2003.5) car then 04, then 05.
But no one saw the car, therefore it seemed like it was a very quick procedure.

GM showing the Concept coupe one year, then vert the next, then nothing this year...and lots of spy shots....I can see how people would think its stale.
I laught when I hear someone say its ready for a MidCycle update already and it's not even out yet.

Timing/Perception is EVERYTHING