New Interior Shots!

http://jalopnik.com/349321/new-2009-chevrolet-camaro-interior-pictures-now-with-more-motion-blur

Pretty cool!!

ooooo still pretty kinda dark tho

dont think these were supposed to come out! :P

Gads, there's another thread about this in the 'General 2010 news' section too.

I think they look pretty good, despite the duct tape, extreme blurring, lousy lighting and general state of disrepair (worn out cardboard floormats). But I plan to reserve final judgment until a production interior is released for real.

Yup, still the same as before.

The radio screen now has a properly blacked-out lens, though.;)

I am liking the torque gauge :cool:

This is going to be one sweet ride. And I LOVE the halos around the gauges.

I want it NOW!

Looks fantastic. Looks much better w/ the finishers added, and the grained/painted interior pieces!

I am liking the torque gauge :cool:

You often stare at the floorboards when you punch it?

It doesn't really look any better to me. The main cluster and center stack still just don't make sense. The cupholders behind the shifter don't look bad though.

I think it's showing good progress from the last shots - and of course Scott told us there would be, so that's not any sort of surprise. I'm just thrilled that GM is putting a lot of effort into this car instead of just raiding the parts bin for a cobbled together car. Can't WAIT to drive one!!!

I think it's showing good progress from the last shots - and of course Scott told us there would be, so that's not any sort of surprise. I'm just thrilled that GM is putting a lot of effort into this car instead of just raiding the parts bin for a cobbled together car. Can't WAIT to drive one!!!
Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised to see what is apparently a Camaro-specific steering wheel for example. It seems to have some 3gen heritage cues in it, such as the flat side blades harking back to the 1982 Camaro steering wheel. I really loved my 83 Z28, and it reminds me of that... but it's also clearly modern, with nice palm swells at 10 and 2. There are a lot of thoughtful design touches like that, which Chevy has not yet had a chance to tout, and which fans have really not yet been able to experience. I believe a lot of this hand-wringing will end, once people can actually try out a real 2010 Camaro :bow:

Couple things:

-I'm not in love with how they did the numbers on the speedo/tach. I'd much prefer to see the numbering font used on the C6 used here. The way they look just gives them an "old" sort of feeling to me IMO which makes them a little out of place.

-The HVAC controls are unique but they make me think of video game controllers with their "+" patterns :p

-I hope there is an option for a good sound system (which Im confident there will be) because I can already see audiophiles having nightmares about upgrading the dash head unit.

That being said I dont dislike the interior but there are things here and there I would change in it. It is definitely unique and I look forward to actually seeing it in person to get a real feel for it.

Been browsing here a while and decided it was time to chime in! My personal opinion is that overall, I like the direction of the interior. Just the other day, autoblog had spy shots of the Challenger interior and most of the posts revolved around the complaint that it was not unique to the car and that they had raided the "parts bin". There were many complaints that the interior did not match the spirit of the car. I think the Camaro team has done a good job providing an interior to match the style of the exterior. That being said, the one area I would definitely NOT go retro is the font on the speedo and tach! Ouch! But thats a personal opinion!

Look forward to joining the conversation more often!

-Bart

The only thing I have a problem with is the turn signal stalk...hopefully that is pre-production still. Otherwise I like it. For me everything looks great until you see the stalk.

hopefully between the two clusters it will say hey look down youre low on fuel and has lil bits of info

Did you notice the low life who wrote the article called the Camaro a "mullet mobile".

I like it.

Count me in among those who are concerned about the numbering on the speedo/tach. It's not in focus, so I can't be sure, but it looks like a tall, skinny font like the one used on the current Mustang:

http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/mst08_pg_362_int_enl.jpg

Camaro for reference:
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2221526424_9e0604b3ac_o.jpg

Tall and skinny is hard to read at a glance. Speedometers and tachometers should NEVER be hard to read.

Also, numbers every 20mph? :(

I've always heard that this car should be modern with cues taken heavily from the first gen. I think they hit the right balance on the exterior. And while I can appreciate some of the first gen cues on the interior (dual pods for speedo and tach as well as console gauges) I think the usability has to be modern. I.e., very usable gauge faces and fonts.

Bottom line, take the cues people love of the first gen, but correct the things that weren't so nice. We're not using drum brakes for a reason!

ooooo still pretty kinda dark tho



I like a dark interior..

That looks so secksee! I LOVE the steering wheel!

i must say i love the halo effect around the gauges.

I like the toque gauge but im not sure how useful it necessarily is.

but im confused. im guessing this is a v6 c the speedo goes up to 120 and not 160ish like id guess. but 370 ft lbs of torque?

i like the short shifter.

ive been wondering this since the first group of spy shots were released. do the hvac controls move up to hide to screen? the look like they'd fit right around it flush.

and i thought no more camo on the test cars?

I like it.

Count me in among those who are concerned about the numbering on the speedo/tach. It's not in focus, so I can't be sure, but it looks like a tall, skinny font like the one used on the current Mustang:

http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/mst08_pg_362_int_enl.jpg

Camaro for reference:
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2221526424_9e0604b3ac_o.jpg

Tall and skinny is hard to read at a glance. Speedometers and tachometers should NEVER be hard to read.

Also, numbers every 20mph? :(

The font look is 1970s musclecar retro. They were all sold with that stretched font for some reason. I don't have problem with it.

ya but it still looks like it goes to 160 on the camaro which i dont have a problem with as long as the end result is more than 150 :D

I wonder if the numbers are backlit?
Seems the glare from the halo rings is overpowering...

Tall and skinny is hard to read at a glance. Speedometers and tachometers should NEVER be hard to read.
Also, numbers every 20mph? :(After a week of driving the car you shouldn't need to read the numbers, you should just be glancing at the position of the needle.

I wonder if the numbers are backlit?
Seems the glare from the halo rings is overpowering...
It's not the production car, but merely a pre-production mule in an unknown state of completion/disrepair.

(In case you hadn't heard)

BD&F, I've been here nearly since the beginning, I heard bro...
Do you know if the numbers are backlit?
(BTW, I like the pre-prod faces better than the Concepts' "Grandfather Clock" font.)

Also, numbers every 20mph? :(
If you notice...the Mustang's are the same way....I don't think it'll be that bad, honestly.

BD&F, I've been here nearly since the beginning, I heard bro...
Do you know if the numbers are backlit?
(BTW, I like the pre-prod faces better than the Concepts' "Grandfather Clock" font.)
Sorry... I was in a cutesy mood last night :o

I haven't seen anything more than you regarding the interior. I can tell you this though. Something is seriously amiss with the PICTURE-TAKING in those cell-phone spy pix, of the speedo/tach. So while I can sure understand your concern (I felt the same anxiety when I first saw them posted on teh Interwebz)... I think I'm going to stand back and take a deep breath on the matter. They will definitely have to backlight those digits. And IF there is serious 'halo glare' going on in that cluster, that I'm sure will be fixed as well... judging only by all the other new GM interiors I've sat in and operated in recent years. It's kind of a 'faith' thing :)

The font look is 1970s musclecar retro. They were all sold with that stretched font for some reason. I don't have problem with it.
Have you spent an extended amount of time behind the wheel of a car with gauges using that font?

After a week of driving the car you shouldn't need to read the numbers, you should just be glancing at the position of the needle.

My Grand National has a speedometer that is only marked every 20mph. I hate it. It's difficult to tell the difference between 45 and 55 at a glance, and I'd really rather not get a 10-over speeding ticket because I don't have a well-labeled speedometer.

If you notice...the Mustang's are the same way....I don't think it'll be that bad, honestly.

If GM changes to a more appropriate font, I think I could get by with the 20mph increments. If GM changed to 10mph increments, I think I could get by with the skinny font. I really don't want to deal with both.

I'm confident that there will be a HUD with a digital readout, so I will most likely not have any issues with knowing my speed at a glance. Having said that, I firmly believe that every road-going car should have an easy-to-read dial speedometer, and the interior shown doesn't.

I'm sure that a replacement gauge or at least an overlay will be available from the aftermarket, so this isn't a huge problem or a deal breaker for me. I just want my opinion to be known and understood.

i bet the aftermarket will have plenty of of gauge faces to change the font soon after it comes out so i wouldnt worry too much about them

Originally Posted by BigDarknFast:
Sorry... I was in a cutesy mood last night :o

I haven't seen anything more than you regarding the interior. I can tell you this though. Something is seriously amiss with the PICTURE-TAKING in those cell-phone spy pix, of the speedo/tach. So while I can sure understand your concern (I felt the same anxiety when I first saw them posted on teh Interwebz)... I think I'm going to stand back and take a deep breath on the matter. They will definitely have to backlight those digits. And IF there is serious 'halo glare' going on in that cluster, that I'm sure will be fixed as well... judging only by all the other new GM interiors I've sat in and operated in recent years. It's kind of a 'faith' thing:)

No big...
It's just a concern, after driving Buick Regals with digital dashes, which are hard to see in the day and have to be turned way down at night, glare is a concern...I'm not saying they won't grade their interior on things like this before production, in fact I have faith they will.
Just commenting on the "now"...
I hope it's all backlit too.

You know what would be neat?

If you could set in a particular speed on the speedometer, and have a color change on said number, making it easy to see...and maybe another area light up when your needle hits the target area.
Or something like that...
:shrug:

I wonder if the numbers are backlit?
Seems the glare from the halo rings is overpowering...

If you notice, there is no key in the ignition. *If* the picture taker pulled the headlight switch the cluster should be much more lit than it is. I think the "bright halo glow" is nothing more than the camera's flash reflecting off the surface. Same with the console gauges, it looks like they're "lit" with the flash.

Originally Posted by Silverado C-10:
If you notice, there is no key in the ignition. *If* the picture taker pulled the headlight switch the cluster should be much more lit than it is. I think the "bright halo glow" is nothing more than the camera's flash reflecting off the surface. Same with the console gauges, it looks like they're "lit" with the flash.
I....d o n 't......k n o w....look awfully bright, even shines on the steering hump...maybe the key is needed to light the digits?:shrug:
Since we don't see any gage check lights in the center section, it's a good possibility.;)

If you notice, there is no key in the ignition. *If* the picture taker pulled the headlight switch the cluster should be much more lit than it is. I think the "bright halo glow" is nothing more than the camera's flash reflecting off the surface. Same with the console gauges, it looks like they're "lit" with the flash.
Seeing your post - I just thought of something! I've noticed a lot of cars nowadays 'do a little show' when you do certain things either in startup or upon key-out. For example, when I first start up my GP GXP - the first thing that shows in the HUD for a second or two is a big graphic, "G P". When you shut the car down and pull out the key, several things happen. The theater-dimming dome lights come up like at the end of a movie... the fog lights and backup lights illuminate... odometer illuminates... and so on. Maybe what the (now-fired I hope) spy cameraman shot there was a little halo showoff feature that happens upon key-out.

As for the console gauges - I do think those were in steady-state illumination at the instant of capture. Maybe he had the key in for the console shot, then pulled the key, then took the speedo/tach shots during the 'afterglow' period. Sort of like a "ooh! look at that!" shot.

Seeing your post - I just thought of something! I've noticed a lot of cars nowadays 'do a little show' when you do certain things either in startup or upon key-out. For example, when I first start up my GP GXP - the first thing that shows in the HUD for a second or two is a big graphic, "G P". When you shut the car down and pull out the key, several things happen. The theater-dimming dome lights come up like at the end of a movie... the fog lights and backup lights illuminate... odometer illuminates... and so on. Maybe what the (now-fired I hope) spy cameraman shot there was a little halo showoff feature that happens upon key-out.

As for the console gauges - I do think those were in steady-state illumination at the instant of capture. Maybe he had the key in for the console shot, then pulled the key, then took the speedo/tach shots during the 'afterglow' period. Sort of like a "ooh! look at that!" shot.

I'm guessing there was no key IN the car? Maybe those lights pop on when the door is opened? :eek: :D

I'm guessing there was no key IN the car? Maybe those lights pop on when the door is opened? :eek: :D

I think you're right. You're the winner of the grand prize game. You win a new camaro.

I think you're right. You're the winner of the grand prize game. You win a new camaro.

I'm gonna hold you to that ;)

Sunset Orange metallic SS with white stripe package. V-8, 6 speed manual, black leather interior.

Thanks!

Have you spent an extended amount of time behind the wheel of a car with gauges using that font?

...My Grand National has a speedometer that is only marked every 20mph. I hate it. It's difficult to tell the difference between 45 and 55 at a glance, and I'd really rather not get a 10-over speeding ticket because I don't have a well-labeled speedometer.

...If GM changes to a more appropriate font, I think I could get by with the 20mph increments. If GM changed to 10mph increments, I think I could get by with the skinny font. I really don't want to deal with both.
Of course, we don't yet know what font or scale increments will be on the production speedo, not to mention the actual IP lighting. (I know you are aware of that, just pointing it out). I do agree the speedo face could be an issue for some if that's how it ends up. But personally, I don't really look a lot at the numbers on my speedo, for example when driving my 95 Formula. I've gotten used to the 'clock angles' of the key speeds, 80 MPH for example ( I know :o )... and usually am just looking to see where the needle is, 'clock angle wise'. I have faith that few will have an issue once they see and try out a production car.
I'm confident that there will be a HUD with a digital readout, so I will most likely not have any issues with knowing my speed at a glance. Having said that, I firmly believe that every road-going car should have an easy-to-read dial speedometer, and the interior shown doesn't.
Agreed. I really enjoy how my GP's HUD allows me to focus better on driving well. One thing that's really cool about the HUD: I notice some here have been talking about instrument illumination. My GP has automatic headlights, and a dash sensor for them. The sensor seems to have some directionality to it - - for example when you turn a corner and are suddenly facing a sunset ahead, the HUD rapidly gets A LOT brighter. Turn another corner - and it just as quickly dims back down! (You can also adjust brightness/off manually with the flick of a knob). Very nice. I believe if the new Camaro has a HUD, it's really going to radically increase acceptance of the speedo/tach... although frankly I don't think they are all that much of an issue anyway IMHO.
I'm sure that a replacement gauge or at least an overlay will be available from the aftermarket, so this isn't a huge problem or a deal breaker for me. I just want my opinion to be known and understood.
I agree. I've been tinkering with a project to convert my Formula's IP to have a 4gen Camaro cluster overlay with blue LED illumination. (Yes I'm nuts :o ). I got a junkyard Camaro cluster off eBay, and it turns out the entire speedo/tach/warning light applique is just a stick-on graphic with colored translucent mini-graphics in key locations. You can actually peel it off the cluster! Then stick on one from a Camaro and push the needles back on. It has no effect on the odometer since that never even gets touched.

I wonder if the numbers are backlit?
Seems the glare from the halo rings is overpowering...

They aren't... the problem here is that it is a CELL phone shot that is trying to take a picture of a dark area that has very bright higlights. Have you ever taken a picture for family members or your car that the sun was directly in the view of the shot? what happened then?

If you notice, there is no key in the ignition. *If* the picture taker pulled the headlight switch the cluster should be much more lit than it is. I think the "bright halo glow" is nothing more than the camera's flash reflecting off the surface. Same with the console gauges, it looks like they're "lit" with the flash.

That's not Flash.... it is a cellphone picture without flash... ;) Cellphone pictures are THE WORSE to capture fine details like a big change in Range... bigger better cameras have are much better at dynamic range... They can capture bigger difference between light and dark. Without looking like GLOWING light.

There ARE cell phones that DO have a flash ;)

Not only that, but there are companies that make little add on flashes that you can add to your camera :D

There ARE cell phones that DO have a flash ;)

Not only that, but there are companies that make little add on flashes that you can add to your camera :D


i knew someone was going to bring that up... if it was with a build in flash from a camera phone then you would have gotten better view of the dials... because the direct light source... meaning you would have had better view of the numbers since the light bounces directly from that "flat" surface. There was NO flash in that picture.

Here's some pics with all the gauges LIT UP!

http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-2009-chevy-camaro-engine-bay-photos-also-with-motion-blur

:shrug:http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2228670751_aea60221df_o.jpg
Not that bad actually, (crappy camera!)hopefully there's a dimmer switch for the halos...
Just kinda make those squared bezels seem out of place now, I wonder how a more rounded set would look??
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2228670585_b0c7cb212f_o.jpg
Maybe if the outside-top was angled down a few degrees, or a symetrical bevel opposite the lower inside ones, might've looked better.

Those halos will go real well with the crowd that add neon underbody lights to their cars...

I wonder if they will make "black light" replacement bulbs for them :rolleyes:

That's a humongous driver info center. Since it's dot matrix, it could show a lot of text...

This is me saying something nice.

The blue backlight on the main gauges seems to be traced in red, which mimics the red backlighting on the knobs on the radio. That's good attention to detail.

Maybe it won't wind up looking so cobbled together, but I can't imagine how they are going to make those huge knobs with 88 functions match the retro theme. In fact I would hate to see whatever does match them...

I'm glad not to see the 360* deep faced gages that the Concept sported, the pre-prods looks a LOT better.
Still, wating to see the real deal, just commenting.

Can anyone make out the symbols in the inner circles of the gages???

Seeing the gauge layout now in these latest pics should appease those that were worried about having to look down at the console gauges for important info. Seems all the important stuff is right in front of your face (speedo, tach, coolant temp, fuel) plus theres that neat driver's info center.

Coupled with the console gauges, seems this Camaro is gonna be able to tell you whatever the hell you want to know about whats going on under the hood. I dig it :thumb:

Seeing the gauge layout now in these latest pics should appease those that were worried about having to look down at the console gauges for important info. Seems all the important stuff is right in front of your face (speedo, tach, coolant temp, fuel) plus theres that neat driver's info center.

Coupled with the console gauges, seems this Camaro is gonna be able to tell you whatever the hell you want to know about whats going on under the hood. I dig it :thumb:

Nope, oil pressure is just as important as coolant temperature and less important than a gas guage. If the oil pressure is going haywire i want to know NOW, not when i get around to looking at the floor. I don't regularly let my cars run low on gas though so when i need to fill up is a pretty instinctive. I don't need to see my gas guage every minute to keep track of it.

Nope, oil pressure is just as important as coolant temperature

I would go so far as to say that oil pressure is slightly more important than coolant temperature.

Case in point: which would you rather do? Run your engine for one minute with no oil pressure, or run your engine for one minute with no coolant?

i wonder how much GM would charge for the LeBra for the front and rear of the car I so want them on mine when the time comes LOL. no seriously LOL!!!

and as far a the camaro being called a mullet mobile thats old news. its an old 80s stereo type that most people with mullets drive camaros or trans ams lol

Originally Posted by JakeRobb:
Case in point: which would you rather do? Run your engine for one minute with no oil pressure, or run your engine for one minute with no coolant?
That reminds me...I hope they keep the oil pressure up over 20psi @ idle and near 60psi for everything else, I want my engine to have a L-o-o-n-n-g-g-g......"Q-u-i-e-t".....life...;)

How about dumping the ft/lb "dyno gauge" for a trans temp gauge?

gawd that steering wheel is nasty.

Damn, looks worse than before. It now has a confused look of retro, modern and pieces of 3rd and 4th gen thrown in??? I like the original concept better. Also, the shifter looks small to me and wheel a cheap aftermarket replacement. Dont get me wrong, Im still optimistic and sure the final look will be refreshed.

Nope, oil pressure is just as important as coolant temperature and less important than a gas guage. If the oil pressure is going haywire i want to know NOW, not when i get around to looking at the floor. I don't regularly let my cars run low on gas though so when i need to fill up is a pretty instinctive. I don't need to see my gas guage every minute to keep track of it.

I'm pretty sure that the DIC between the speedo and tach will put on a light show if the oil pressure drops (or anything else important happens) so I don't think I'll spend much time looking at the gauges pod on the floor. Whereas I like to keep an eye on the temp gauge on cold mornings so I know when its worth turning the heat on and because I like to baby the engine a little until the temp gauge needle starts moving.

looks good, cant wait to see the finished product

mod #1 remove the console gauges. so I have a place to put my cell phone and loose change LOL.

COME ON! Really! im going to look down behind the shifter at WOT to see how much tq I have.

Say it all together kids.... useless retro crap!

I swear to god! this interior could keep me from getting this car.

I'm pretty sure that the DIC between the speedo and tach will put on a light show if the oil pressure drops (or anything else important happens) so I don't think I'll spend much time looking at the gauges pod on the floor. Whereas I like to keep an eye on the temp gauge on cold mornings so I know when its worth turning the heat on and because I like to baby the engine a little until the temp gauge needle starts moving.

You're not getting the importance of an easy to notice oil pressure gauge at all. No **** the DIC will give you a warning if the oil pressure drops below some low threshhold, likely a very low number like 5-10psi.

Where the oil pressure gauge shows it's value is when you're only making 30 or 40 psi at redline when you normally make 80, or any other similar situation where the oil pressure is not keeping up with what it normally should be. Idiot light DO NOT help you with this.

So basically, if you're the kind of guy that wants to rely on an idiot light telling you that your engine has already lunched itself, that's fine FOR YOU. For the rest of us that know there are gray areas in between ok and not, it would sure be nice if the factory guages were actually in a convenient place for monitoring. Needing to take your eyes completely off the road to check your guages is ridiculous and unsafe.

btw, as for checking temperature, why do you need to look at your temperature constantly. Your car warms up ove rthe course of minutes. That's why i'd argue it's less important than oil pressure (though not by much) because it's not nearly as instantaneous quantity. You can check your coolant temp while cruising down a straight piece of road at a reasonable throttle level and it's going to be with a few degrees of where it was when you were redlining in the last turn. Further, in the event you toss a belt or your water pump impeller eeats itself, the temperature will rise very quickly so an idiot light isn't going to trigger that much longer than you likely would have noticed it rising anyway. And overheating an engine is generally not as bad as running around with no oil pressure at 6500 rpms anyway...

I'm pretty sure that the DIC between the speedo and tach will put on a light show if the oil pressure drops (or anything else important happens) so I don't think I'll spend much time looking at the gauges pod on the floor. Whereas I like to keep an eye on the temp gauge on cold mornings so I know when its worth turning the heat on and because I like to baby the engine a little until the temp gauge needle starts moving.

Agreed. Coolant temp is a primary gauge; oil pressure is secondary.

For the rest of us that know there are gray areas in between ok and not, it would sure be nice if the factory guages were actually in a convenient place for monitoring. Needing to take your eyes completely off the road to check your guages is ridiculous and unsafe. Exactly.

Further, in the event you toss a belt or your water pump impeller eeats itself, the temperature will rise very quickly so an idiot light isn't going to trigger that much longer than you likely would have noticed it rising anyway. And overheating an engine is generally not as bad as running around with no oil pressure at 6500 rpms anyway... Thank you.

You're not getting the importance of an easy to notice oil pressure gauge at all. No **** the DIC will give you a warning if the oil pressure drops below some low threshhold, likely a very low number like 5-10psi.

Where the oil pressure gauge shows it's value is when you're only making 30 or 40 psi at redline when you normally make 80, or any other similar situation where the oil pressure is not keeping up with what it normally should be. Idiot light DO NOT help you with this.

So basically, if you're the kind of guy that wants to rely on an idiot light telling you that your engine has already lunched itself, that's fine FOR YOU. For the rest of us that know there are gray areas in between ok and not, it would sure be nice if the factory guages were actually in a convenient place for monitoring. Needing to take your eyes completely off the road to check your guages is ridiculous and unsafe.

btw, as for checking temperature, why do you need to look at your temperature constantly. Your car warms up ove rthe course of minutes. That's why i'd argue it's less important than oil pressure (though not by much) because it's not nearly as instantaneous quantity. You can check your coolant temp while cruising down a straight piece of road at a reasonable throttle level and it's going to be with a few degrees of where it was when you were redlining in the last turn. Further, in the event you toss a belt or your water pump impeller eeats itself, the temperature will rise very quickly so an idiot light isn't going to trigger that much longer than you likely would have noticed it rising anyway. And overheating an engine is generally not as bad as running around with no oil pressure at 6500 rpms anyway...

I guess I just must be one of those irrational people that don't give a flip about their engine as I have never driven around with my eyes glued to the gauges, I usually look at where I'm driving! Get a grip people, if you're that paranoid about your engine blowing sky high then perhaps you don't need to buy this car at all, instead equip your lounge chair at home with three hundred gauges that you can watch with paranoid fervor from the comfort of your den, then you won't endager others on the streets and highways by keeping your eyes glued to the gauges instead of on the road. Unbelieveable some of the lunacy posted on these forums!!!!!
Clyde

I guess I just must be one of those irrational people that don't give a flip about their engine as I have never driven around with my eyes glued to the gauges, I usually look at where I'm driving! Get a grip people, if you're that paranoid about your engine blowing sky high then perhaps you don't need to buy this car at all, instead equip your lounge chair at home with three hundred gauges that you can watch with paranoid fervor from the comfort of your den, then you won't endager others on the streets and highways by keeping your eyes glued to the gauges instead of on the road. Unbelieveable some of the lunacy posted on these forums!!!!!
Clyde

You're so close to the point, yet so far away.

I don't drive around with my eyes glued to the guages either. I do like to scan over my guages from time to time to check my speed, or for timing my shifts on high speed runs, etc. And it's sure nice when you can take in all the guages with a short, easy glance.

Now guess what i basically never do anymore...look down at the radio in my car. Steering wheel controls and echoing volume and station information on the DIC has made that a useless activity. *MUCH* easier to look at the DIC while tuning stations then down at the console.

Why then does it make sense to locate guages below the radio?

And that's the point. No one is suggesting you should look at your gauges constantly. But to put them in a place that requires real, conscious effort to look at only ensures that you will check them less frequently. It's a damn shame that with the new location i will basically never be able to see my oil pressure on a high rpm full throttle run, just like i also don't play with the EQ settings on my radio at WOT...

And if you're the type of person that never checks his guages, then WTF do you even care where they are?

FBF did say, "redundancy", tho he didn't say HUD, it's most likely to show vitals we all want.
Tho, like most, I'd love to see a buisness oriented DIC, it appears HUD or aftermarket gages is what we'll have to settle for.

I don't just use my gages for WOT runs, but MORE on a daily basis..

(PS: )A quick scan of my "volt" gage this morning in my PA Ultra reveiled a voltage of aprox 17volts...NOT enough to trigger a light, but still shows I might be losing the rectifier/regulator in the Alternator. I'll have to keep an eye on it for a while now, or end up walking home some dark night. Which is why they call an "idiot light" just that...
(****edit: Tonight, my volt gage was around 11-12 volts(no-warning light) with the lights on and brakes, at a red light..I'm definitely pulling the altenator tomorrow and testing it at my local parts store...and the battery.***)

And when I see my oil pressure average 10psi lower than the norm @ idle, I know the oil is ready for a change...most wait until they can't see the crosshatching through the oil on the stick.:D
Just some wacky things I do with dumb gages...

You're so close to the point, yet so far away.

I don't drive around with my eyes glued to the guages either. I do like to scan over my guages from time to time to check my speed, or for timing my shifts on high speed runs, etc. And it's sure nice when you can take in all the guages with a short, easy glance.

Now guess what i basically never do anymore...look down at the radio in my car. Steering wheel controls and echoing volume and station information on the DIC has made that a useless activity. *MUCH* easier to look at the DIC while tuning stations then down at the console.

Why then does it make sense to locate guages below the radio?

And that's the point. No one is suggesting you should look at your gauges constantly. But to put them in a place that requires real, conscious effort to look at only ensures that you will check them less frequently. It's a damn shame that with the new location i will basically never be able to see my oil pressure on a high rpm full throttle run, just like i also don't play with the EQ settings on my radio at WOT...

And if you're the type of person that never checks his guages, then WTF do you even care where they are?

The "never checks the gauges" was sarcasm in case you missed it. Sure I like to be able to check the gauges from time to time, but some people are acting like it will be completely impossible to do so. If you need to keep your eye on the oil pressure during a full throttle run then perhaps no factory location for oil pressure is good enough for your needs and you need to add an OP gauge on the steering column or the dash. We're talking a production automobile here, not a full blown race car. Is it really that much "effort" to move your eyes to check a guage??
Clyde

We're talking a production automobile here, not a full blown race car.
Clyde
Thank you!!! :bow:

I guess I just must be one of those irrational people that don't give a flip about their engine as I have never driven around with my eyes glued to the gauges, I usually look at where I'm driving! Get a grip people, if you're that paranoid about your engine blowing sky high then perhaps you don't need to buy this car at all, instead equip your lounge chair at home with three hundred gauges that you can watch with paranoid fervor from the comfort of your den, then you won't endager others on the streets and highways by keeping your eyes glued to the gauges instead of on the road. Unbelieveable some of the lunacy posted on these forums!!!!!
Clyde

I just about spewed my mouthfull of Pepsi all over my monitor and keyboard when I read this! :lol:

My whole point is that the gauges there are useless, especially with redundancy. They are only there as a throwback to the first gen, just like the rest of the car. There is no reason for them to be there in the first place.

You know, if you were to spruce up the interior with some chrome touches to the Camaro logo and interior trim, and a black interior like on the Audi R8, it would actually look damn good.

http://www.audi-cars-lotto.com/photogallery/img/audi-09.jpg

http://www.thechevroletcamaro.com/camaro_convertible_04.jpg

The pre-pro interior doesn't really look like the concept interior you're posting there though. The center vents are higher, wider and cheaper and the HVAC / radio bulges out way more and is much clunkier looking, etc.

Rerall, besides both being black and gray, i fail to see the comparison to that audi interior at all anyway. But much less so to the pre-pro version.

The R8 IP (very nice!) is along the lines I'd like to see in the Camaro.
At the risk of getting flamed...the large numbers on the Concept and not so large ones in the pre-prod, give it a kinda of grammer school feel.
Probably just me tho...:shrug:

I guess I just must be one of those irrational people that don't give a flip about their engine as I have never driven around with my eyes glued to the gauges, I usually look at where I'm driving! Get a grip people, if you're that paranoid about your engine blowing sky high then perhaps you don't need to buy this car at all, instead equip your lounge chair at home with three hundred gauges that you can watch with paranoid fervor from the comfort of your den, then you won't endager others on the streets and highways by keeping your eyes glued to the gauges instead of on the road. Unbelieveable some of the lunacy posted on these forums!!!!!
Clyde


I'm sorry, I think it is you that probably doesn't need to drive this car.
I can't believe you actually posted this. :bang::bang::confused:

I can't believe you actually posted this. :bang::bang::confused:

and I cant believe you posted this!
I saw "New Interior Shots" and got excited :mad:
:cool:

New interior is pretty cool. Only thing I don't like is the deletion of a lot of the chrome and the halos aren't gold any more. However I'm sure it's pretty easy to change that around if you really wanted to. The shifter turned a tad plain since the concept though. It looks more natural, but just too normal. I'd think a classic white head or perhaps chrome would balance it our pretty well. Comments?

For those that want extra gauges, there's always a dashhawk. I've got one in my TBSS and monitor tranny temps along w/ other things the ECM sees, but the DIC does not.

For those that want extra gauges, there's always a dashhawk. I've got one in my TBSS and monitor tranny temps along w/ other things the ECM sees, but the DIC does not.


Even the Dashhawks are pretty unreliable for measuring 0-60, 1/8, 1/4 times.

Even the Dashhawks are pretty unreliable for measuring 0-60, 1/8, 1/4 times.

I don't need a DH to tell me I run a 12.25@110... I have a timeslip for that :)

I was refering to the gauge references as posed all through the thread.

i am loving that interior...totally different from the past generations..

i am loving that interior...totally different from the past generations..

:lol:

Just to clarify: The pictures in this thread are not the same as the production interior.