New Interior Photos of 2009 Chevy Camaro

Don't know if y'all have seen these -- new interior photos of the 2009 Chevy Camaro (http://jalopnik.com/349321/new-2009-chevrolet-camaro-interior-pictures-now-with-more-motion-blur)



-----------
Ray Wert
Editor-in-Chief - Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/)

That looks MUCH better than what I thought it would.

It's obviously still laden with duct tape (and wow - check out the cardboard floor mats :death: )... but still looks pretty nice so far. I'm reserving final judgement until a true production interior is released. I like the design of the console gauges in particular - they look to be very easy to read. Overall though, it sure looks like this is a 'base' or V6 variant, judging by the wheels and lack of rear spoiler. I'm sure there are more niceties on the 'LT' or upgraded cars. Is that a cupholder I see in the console?

i like almost everything but the stupid freaking speedo and tach :mad:... i guess i knew it was going to be like that though, and i guess its nothing that HUD wont make me forget about. That radio does look hard to find an aftermarket one to make look right, but i guess all cars are like that now days. all things considered though it looks pretty dang good.

i like almost everything but the stupid freaking speedo and tach :mad:... i guess i knew it was going to be like that though, and i guess its nothing that HUD wont make me forget about. That radio does look hard to find an aftermarket one to make look right, but i guess all cars are like that now days. all things considered though it looks pretty dang good.
Agreed. Everything I've read on here makes me think the car will be offered with an optional HUD... which makes me not care much how nice and modern the speedo might be. If there is also an option for factory nav, that will open up a lot of choices there as well so the unique faceplate might not matter much.

Looks like the cup holders are right behind the shifter again. And the stereo looks like a pain to put in a NAV/DVD unit.

Oh well, guess I'm getting a Vette instead.

B

very pretty love it :)

dont let cup holders influence your decision :P

i really like this interior i hope they put a nav in and have an option were the color on the door panel and color around tach and speedo could be the color of your car

did anyone notice the torque gauge? either this is an extremely stout 6 cylinder :P, or its one of the v8s because it goes up to 370 lb ft it looks like. im all for full instrumentation though and ill have to put my vote in as yes on console gauges being cool. also do the gauges have a light ring (almost to match the headlight halos) or are they just the shiniest chrome rings ever?

There should be a torque gauge somewhere in there.

did anyone notice the torque gauge? either this is a very stout 6 cylinder, or its one of the v8s because it goes up to 370 lb ft it looks like. im all for full instrumentation though and ill have to put my vote in as yes on console gauges being cool. also do the gauges have a light ring (almost to match the headlight halos) or are they just the shiniest chrome rings ever?
Even if the V8 Camaro ended up with the L76 (391 ft lb TQ), that gauge would/will be inadequate. If the car pictured is a V6, and IF the V6 is the 3.6 (290 ft lb), it makes a little more sense. It could also be - that the gauge face is not a production-car-ready graphic. That's the problem with trying to interpret too much from these unauthorized spy pix. Still though - it's cool to have a Torque gauge... something that would cause massive embarrassment for the typical Honda Civic owner :D

One other thing. It appears the two gauges most people care most about (temp, fuel) are right up there with the speedo/tach. That should help those who were not in favor of console gauges.

As for the speedo halo - again that's a problem with trying to understand the gauges' appearance and lighting. The pix are horrible in that regard... and how do we know, a trim piece (such as a glare blocker) is not missing from that picture? Perhaps the car was IN that garage for some dash work to be done. We simply will not really know what these parts and components really look like, until their production release.

Even if the V8 Camaro ended up with the L76 (391 ft lb TQ), that gauge would/will be inadequate. If the car pictured is a V6, and IF the V6 is the 3.6 (290 ft lb), it makes a little more sense. It could also be - that the gauge face is not a production-car-ready graphic. That's the problem with trying to interpret too much from these unauthorized spy pix. Still though - it's cool to have a Torque gauge... something that would cause massive embarrassment for the typical Honda Civic owner :D


The increments don't follow a linear equation.

The increments don't follow a linear equation.
Understood. I guess I was only going by the MAX increment on the gauge - which LOOKS like it might say 370 ft lb. (Again - just speculation, based on extremely blurry and ill-focused pix)

What exactly is the point of the torque gauge? Not like I'm going to be looking down there as I'm slamming on the gas to see what kind of torque I'm getting while I slam into a tree.

Understood. I guess I was only going by the MAX increment on the gauge - which LOOKS like it might say 370 ft lb. (Again - just speculation, based on extremely blurry and ill-focused pix)
If they did go in intuitive increments it should read 360ft lb. Which would be more confusing. I mean, they don't HAVE to be linear, but it would make sense for them to be legibly read by a drive without having to do math. Spooky stuff.

What exactly is the point of the torque gauge? Not like I'm going to be looking down there as I'm slamming on the gas to see what kind of torque I'm getting while I slam into a tree.
I think it will be cool, although it's obviously not a utilitarian readout. It will be for impressing peers, girlfriends, teens, kids and Honda owners :D

What exactly is the point of the torque gauge? Not like I'm going to be looking down there as I'm slamming on the gas to see what kind of torque I'm getting while I slam into a tree.
You need to fill the gap with something unique if you are going to move the gas gauge. ;)

If they did go in intuitive increments it should read 360ft lb. Which would be more confusing. I mean, they don't HAVE to be linear, but it would make sense for them to be legibly read by a drive without having to do math. Spooky stuff.
Okay. (I sincerely HOPE no one is seriously going to use their torque gauge as a driving aid :eek: )

still nasty but thats due to the design theme.......:D


the radio looks like its a glue on piece. needs to be more integrated.

Maybe the graphic is indeed wrong and it's really gonna be one of these........

http://www.chevrolet.com/i/08/pic/corvette/zr1/tn_int_01.jpg

I like the gauges. Oil temp would be cool, if it makes it to the production version (I'm not holding my brief). Swap the torque gauge for an accurate water temp gauge and it'll be all set. :D

Still not digging the speedo/tach setup.

Forgetting my opinion on the aesthetics of the dash and usability of the gauges for a moment...

A torque gauge? Seriously? A torque gauge?

That is about the lamest and stupidest thing I've seen yet. What sort of demographic is supposed to find this appealing? Is this supposed to impress the NOPI car show judges?


I have waited years for this car and very much want to love it. I've owned a handful of Camaros, every one bought new except for the '68. I've seriously enjoyed my 4th gen both as a daily driver and a racer. I've owned nothing but GM. My family has owned nothing but GM.

But after seeing this torque gauge business, I found myself on Ford's website pricing a new Mustang. I can't believe I actually did that to tell the truth but it seems the writing is on the wall.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope they impress me. I'll wait until I'm able to kick the tires to make up my mind but it seems I'm finding more things I don't like about this car every week. I'm losing faith.... :(

Forgetting my opinion on the aesthetics of the dash and usability of the gauges for a moment...

A torque gauge? Seriously? A torque gauge?

That is about the lamest and stupidest thing I've seen yet. Is this supposed to appeal to the poser / ricer crowd? Is this supposed to impress the NOPI car show judges?


I have waited years for this car. I want so badly to love this car. I've owned nothing but GM. My family has owned nothing but GM. I've owned a handful of Camaros, every one bought new except for the '68.

But after seeing this torque gauge business, I found myself on Ford's website pricing a new Mustang. I can't believe I actually did that to tell the truth.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope they impress me. But it seems I'm finding more things I don't like about this car every week. I'm losing faith.... :(


I agree with you, I'm looking at the new Mustangs as well. Eligible for X-plan, College Student Discount, and all that other cash back stuff. Problem is all the dealers around here have $4000 in options on all of their cars that I don't want. Who needs heated seats in Florida?

Only thing that beats me about the Mustang is why they haven't increased the power ever so slightly each year the car has been out. Guess they haven't had any competition for awhile.

KEEP THE FAITH! they still have like 9 months to get it right before it goes on the assembly line.

and you dont have to look at that gauge

EDIT: and i the the general is doin a hell of a job with this car!

and you dont have to look at that gauge
Well then, why don't we just have a chrome fire extinguisher hanging from the A pillar, three foot tall Supra wing and standard underbody neon? I'll avert my eyes from those as well.

Gauge placement is terrible. Way out of eyesight. It's wrong, just like it was wrong in 1967.

Well.....after seeing these pics........I now feel much better.NOT!!!!!

Torque gauge? Figures. Is this really a serious effort for a performance car?

Can't go wrong with a car that's probably going to get canceled anyways.

and you dont have to look at that gauge



Works out perfectly. Put a bullsh!t gauge in a spot where no one can see it.

Well.....after seeing these pics........I now feel much better.NOT!!!!!

Torque gauge? Figures. Is this really a serious effort for a performance car?
I happen to like the idea of such a gauge. And I would have thought you'd be able to keep some perspective here. We already know some things about the new Camaro. RWD, IRS, A6 and M6 options, hi-torque V8 of some variant... do you not classify that as 'serious'? What planet are you from?

What planet are you from?


Earth. You?

Gauge placement is terrible. Way out of eyesight. It's wrong, just like it was wrong in 1967.

That's a premature judgement, IMO. Have you sat in the new production Camaro? Operated it, or examined its interior options? I think not. If it has a HUD, as is rumored, it will eliminate 'gauge readability' as an operational issue. Even if not - such gauge placement is not in and of itself, an impediment to ergonomics.

Forgetting my opinion on the aesthetics of the dash and usability of the gauges for a moment...

A torque gauge? Seriously? A torque gauge?

That is about the lamest and stupidest thing I've seen yet. What sort of demographic is supposed to find this appealing? Is this supposed to impress the NOPI car show judges?


I have waited years for this car and very much want to love it. I've owned a handful of Camaros, every one bought new except for the '68. I've seriously enjoyed my 4th gen both as a daily driver and a racer. I've owned nothing but GM. My family has owned nothing but GM.

But after seeing this torque gauge business, I found myself on Ford's website pricing a new Mustang. I can't believe I actually did that to tell the truth but it seems the writing is on the wall.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope they impress me. I'll wait until I'm able to kick the tires to make up my mind but it seems I'm finding more things I don't like about this car every week. I'm losing faith.... :(
What's wrong with having a torque gauge? My GTP had a boost gauge, it was a fun thing to watch. How do we even know that gauge will be on production Camaros? Again, some here have already jumped to whatever conclusions come to mind, right after being shown some unauthorized internet spy pix.

Personally, I'll be happy with the car either way - with or without a Tq gauge. Unlike some others here (who will apparently shy away from an entire car due to ONE GAUGE :rolleyes: ) - I'm able to discriminate between the forest, and the trees.

Earth. You?
Oh, I'm from the planet where people wait until a product is RELEASED before they decide about buying it.

I hate it. I dislike the stereo setup. The climate control looks terrible. The vents just dont look right.

I hate the speedo and tach area, looks horrible.

I like the gauge cluster in front of the shifter. Its kinda retro and interesting. Please god no Tq gauge. Id prefer, a water temp, oil pressure, voltage and some sort of fuel pressure. A vacuum gauge would be cool as well.

Oh, I'm from the planet where people wait until a product is RELEASED before they decide about buying it.

You can't possibly be from that planet, because you've decided a long time ago.

Anybody consider the torque gauge as just a placeholder for a future psi gauge...maybe?? Or, it measures rear-wheel torque? That would fit the L76's outputs.

And seriously - you're (plural) fretting over a gimmick gauge?? C'mon - who's gonna use that for any serious purpose? It has none!...what other mainstream car has something like that??? It's a cool, neat little aspect to the car. It's just there...to be there. That's it's only function.

I'm going to sit back and watch more people...(or what are they being called now? The Ten?;)) Gonna watch people overthink these photos, and smile. Holding in a well-deserved "We told you so." for later,:D

im from the same planet as big, i like the idea of a torque gauge

besides theyre the gauges that people dont NEED to see at all times

o man a HUD would be awsome!

I have not posted here in a long time, but I had to put my two cents in on this. I have concerns about how well I will like the interior, I know its not done but i'm not loving it like I am the exterior.

I think the torque gauge is silly, and for whatever reason, I kind of doubt it will be on the production car, so I'm not sweating it.

Oh, I'm from the planet where people wait until a product is RELEASED before they decide about buying it.

You can't possibly be from that planet, because you've decided a long time ago.

ROFLOL. Ya think?

Its growing on me.:D I also think the torque gauge is gonna turn into a boost.

Cry babies! Damn I sure hope you go buy a mustang if a torque gauge upsets you so much. Maybe you guys would happier if they put a gauge to monitor when you should change your tampon. These new pics make me feel a lot better except for one thing. The speedo is in 20mph increments. I hate that, my girlfriend's mini has that and it is a pain when you are trying to go 35, 45, ext. But I can't believe all of you are complaining about a torque gauge, I think it's a cool add on and cool way to fill a gap. Maybe you guys would be happy with a nice dependable and lame aveo. You can stop waiting and go buy that right now. Oh and if you go buy a mustang let me know how that's working out for you guys and a year and a half.

You're wearing out the roll eyes emoticon. It no longer has the desired effect when it's in every one of your posts....

What's wrong with having a torque gauge? It's gimmicky. It's lame. It is obviously aimed at the poser crowd (Look at my torques yo!). It serves no purpose beyond impressing the easily impressed. My opinion of course but also shared by my gadget loving wife.

My GTP had a boost gauge, it was a fun thing to watch. Congratulations. So does my wife's GTP. However, I generally do not base my car buying decisions on whether or not they have fun things to watch on the dash. In fact, I try to steer clear of such useless crap when possible.

Case in point - So exactly how much boost were you getting with your GTP? Oh right, it just an idiot light. Lights up some "fun to watch" segments when you're in the boost. No real value beyond your entertainment.

How do we even know that gauge will be on production Camaros? Ummm... I'll take "Final Testing" for $1000 Alex. Preproduction starts this fall. They're in the last round of testing. They wouldn't be wasting their time on something that isn't going to make into some production model. Hopefully it'll be relegated to the V6 cars only.

I do give a hearty thumbs up to the oil temp gauge though. Bravo. Seriously. I lament the fact it won't be there on the production car. This was after all just a test mule right?

Again, some here have already jumped to whatever conclusions come to mind, right after being shown some unauthorized internet spy pix. What conclusions should we make? You mean the car isn't going to have the features we have seen? These are decoys? What?

Personally, I'll be happy with the car either way - with or without a Tq gauge. Unlike some others here (who will apparently shy away from an entire car due to ONE GAUGE :rolleyes: ) Ahh... my favorite point making emoticon. Checkmate. No arguing with that one.

Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us are a wee bit more discerning as consumers than you are. Ever think of that?

Maybe, just maybe, we pour our hard earned bucks into something that reflects just a bit of who we are and then we hang onto that purchase for many years. Obviously we would have to live with the things we don't like for a long time. Not everybody turns over cars at the rate you apparently do. How 'bout that one? Ever think of that?

I'm able to discriminate between the forest, and the trees. Which means what exactly?

agreed, and on top of that the mustang model will probably change soon but this is a brand new look :)

30mph incraments would be good

You can't possibly be from that planet, because you've decided a long time ago.
I'm happy with where I live now. And you?

It's getting better;)

Cry babies! Damn I sure hope you go buy a mustang if a torque gauge upsets you so much. Maybe you guys would happier if they put a gauge to monitor when you should change your tampon. These new pics make me feel a lot better except for one thing. The speedo is in 20mph increments. I hate that, my girlfriend's mini has that and it is a pain when you are trying to go 35, 45, ext. But I can't believe all of you are complaining about a torque gauge, I think it's a cool add on and cool way to fill a gap. Maybe you guys would be happy with a nice dependable and lame aveo. You can stop waiting and go buy that right now. Oh and if you go buy a mustang let me know how that's working out for you guys and a year and a half.
So true! :D

However, I generally do not base my car buying decisions on whether or not they have fun things to watch on the dash.

Well I can't blame you, that makes sense

But after seeing this torque gauge business, I found myself on Ford's website pricing a new Mustang. I can't believe I actually did that to tell the truth but it seems the writing is on the wall.
Wait but didn't you just say..?


Just because you write an essay (for whatever reason, nobody actually cares.) doesn't mean any of it was smart or meaningful. You clearly had no intentions of buying this car if having a neat torque gauge is dooms day, therefor I seriously doubt GM gives half, one quarter, or especially 2 fuhks about you.

You're wearing out the roll eyes emoticon. It no longer has the desired effect when it's in every one of your posts....

If it bothers you, I'll try to use it less. I hope you can relate though, some of us here who like what they're seeing in the new Camaro, are definitely exasparated with those who aren't liking what they see but still hang around, seemingly, just to pee in the fire.
It's gimmicky. It's lame. It is obviously aimed at the poser crowd (Look at my torques yo!). It serves no purpose beyond impressing the easily impressed. My opinion of course but also shared by my gadget loving wife.
No import owner would be willing to have such a gauge in their car - wouldn't register anything ;)
Congratulations. So does my wife's GTP. However, I generally do not base my car buying decisions on whether or not they have fun things to watch on the dash. In fact, I try to steer clear of such useless crap when possible.
So. We can't have fun in our cars? Maybe you do need an Aveo.
Case in point - So exactly how much boost were you getting with your GTP? Oh right, it just an idiot light. Lights up some "fun to watch" segments when you're in the boost. No real value beyond your entertainment.
Sure, it's just for fun. According to that logic, we don't need a stereo in the car either.
I do give a hearty thumbs up to the oil temp gauge though. Bravo. Seriously. I lament the fact it won't be there on the production car. This was after all just a test mule right?

What conclusions should we make? You mean the car isn't going to have the features we have seen? These are decoys? What?
My point was - it's not appropriate to judge the car or its interior from these pix. People should wait until the whole thing is out for a rational review.
Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us are a wee bit more discerning as consumers than you are. Ever think of that?

Maybe, just maybe, we pour our hard earned bucks into something that reflects just a bit of who we are and then we hang onto that purchase for many years. Obviously we would have to live with the things we don't like for a long time. Not everybody turns over cars at the rate you apparently do. How 'bout that one? Ever think of that?
Whatever. How long have you been driving? (Me, 33 years). Since I had my first car, a 1970 Chevelle, for eight years... and my second car (which was my first new car), a 1983 Citation X11 for eleven years... I do believe I've earned enough to buy cars more often since then. I may have owned more cars than you... and maybe that gives me a sense of perspective you are clearly lacking. Have you driven and owned a 2005 GTO? If not, I can make a case you lack a little perspective on modern muscle. I loved my GTO - but also had to deal daily with its agonizingly slow power seats and clackity HVAC knobs... as well as its astronomical insurance costs. Pardon me if I decided to get something else. That car's interior looked gee-whiz-great in pictures! But driving and owning it was another matter entirely.

Well I can't blame you, that makes sense


Wait but didn't you just say..? What point are you trying to make?


Just because you write an essay (for whatever reason, nobody actually cares.) doesn't mean any of it was smart or meaningful. I'm sorry all that terrible reading is a problem for you Mike got a camaro. I'll try to use smaller words and shorter sentences. Maybe you could follow along if the site had text balloons like your favorite comic book.

You clearly had no intentions of buying this car if having a neat torque gauge is dooms day, therefor I seriously doubt GM gives half, one quarter, or especially 2 fuhks about you. Couldn't be more wrong about that one Sparky. I had / have plans to buy two.

And despite your less than witty retort about GM caring about me, they should. In recent history I have purchased more than $100K of their products. My first car was a 1st gen '68 so I'm not automatically turned off by the "heritage" features of the new car. I bought my other Camaros brand new with no second thoughts going in.

Despite all that, this car is not a slam dunk purchase decision for me. They should worry about that, dontcha think?

Thanks for playing though.

go bitch Bob Lutz why dontya chewy

What point are you trying to make?


I'm sorry all that terrible reading is a problem for you Mike got a camaro. I'll try to use smaller words and shorter sentences. Maybe you could follow along if the site had text balloons like your favorite comic book.

Couldn't be more wrong about that one Sparky. I had / have plans to buy two.

And despite your less than witty retort about GM caring about me, they should. In recent history I have purchased more than $100K of their products. My first car was a 1st gen '68 so I'm not automatically turned off by the "heritage" features of the new car. I bought my other Camaros brand new with no second thoughts going in.

Despite all that, this car is not a slam dunk purchase decision for me. They should worry about that, dontcha think?

Thanks for playing though.

And what threw you off from spending possibly $50,000.00+ a torque gauge? That seems like a logically way to decide on your next car.

Doesn't look any better than what we've seen before......

Torque gauge? Is this from the Honda Civic portion of the JC Whitney catalog?

The speedo and tach are exactly what I was NOT looking for as far as font readability and general look.

I suppose this will give me more time to save for the 6th gen, providing there is such an animal (I really do hope so!)

If it bothers you, I'll try to use it less. I hope you can relate though, some of us here who like what they're seeing in the new Camaro, are definitely exasparated with those who aren't liking what they see but still hang around, seemingly, just to pee in the fire. Why? Why should you be exasperated? Is your opinion only valid if everyone shares it?

Nobody has ever told you that your opinion is wrong. Can you say the same?

No import owner would be willing to have such a gauge in their car - wouldn't register anything ;) Fair enough. :D

So. We can't have fun in our cars? Yes you can have fun in your car. If your idea of fun is cool little flashing lights, fine. That's not the norm though for an enthusiast. Maybe you need a Prius or some other hybrid. They have cool little displays.

Maybe you do need an Aveo. Actually I've been looking for an older low mileage Metro to supplant my truck as an everyday driver. Oh wait... that was a jab that I'm not a true car guy. My bad... I guess I do need that little point making emoticon.

Sure, it's just for fun. According to that logic, we don't need a stereo in the car either. Funny you mention that 'cause I wouldn't miss one in mine. I never use the thing in my car and infrequently use it in the truck.

My point was - it's not appropriate to judge the car or its interior from these pix. People should wait until the whole thing is out for a rational review. I'm pretty sure that I mentioned in numerous threads that I WILL wait to drive / see the thing but I DO NOT like the direction it appears to be taking.

Whatever. How long have you been driving? (Me, 33 years). Little more than 20 years. I guess that means your cyber penis is bigger than mine?

I do believe I've earned enough to buy cars more often since then. I may have owned more cars than you... and maybe that gives me a sense of perspective you are clearly lacking. Oh. I guess so. It is bigger. That's why everybody who doesn't like the car or some aspect of it is wrong. You have more perspective. :bow: We're all so silly.

Have you driven and owned a 2005 GTO? If not, I can make a case you lack a little perspective on modern muscle. I loved my GTO - but also had to deal daily with its agonizingly slow power seats and clackity HVAC knobs... as well as its astronomical insurance costs. Nope. Wanted one to replace the wife's GTP with one though. Couldn't talk her into it.

Pardon me if I decided to get something else. No pardon necessary. You're well within your right to buy whatever whenever you want. My point was that not everyone can do that or wants to do that. I can afford new cars much more often than I actually buy them. It's just that I personally don't need to have the newest, shiniest thing on the block. That's just me. Different strokes and all.

Remember that different strokes thing the next time you become exasperated.

I hate it. I dislike the stereo setup. The climate control looks terrible. The vents just dont look right.

I hate the speedo and tach area, looks horrible.

I like the gauge cluster in front of the shifter. Its kinda retro and interesting. Please god no Tq gauge. Id prefer, a water temp, oil pressure, voltage and some sort of fuel pressure. A vacuum gauge would be cool as well.

My thoughts exactly. I'll reserve final judgment until I actually sit in it, but based on those pics, I'm not a fan.

And what threw you off from spending possibly $50,000.00+ a torque gauge? That seems like a logically way to decide on your next car. It's not only the gauge. Little things like that are starting to pile up for me and I haven't even driven the damn thing.

Not a good way to start.

go bitch Bob Lutz why dontya chewy
I'd be happy to have a conversation with him. You have his number? It's far too late now anyway.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/drama.gif

It's not only the gauge. Little things like that are starting to pile up for me and I haven't even driven the damn thing.

Not a good way to start.

Yeah I gotta admit I agree..i haven't bought a new car now awaiting the arrival of the thing but it's hard to ride the new Camaro's boner when they keep doing stupid **** to it..I'm hoping the pre-po pictures just don't do it justice and it looks extremely similar to the concept.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/drama.gif


LOL

Why? Why should you be exasperated? Is your opinion only valid if everyone shares it?

Nobody has ever told you that your opinion is wrong. Can you say the same?
Yes. And I've never said your opinion is 'wrong'. Annoying, rare, and divisive... but not wrong.
Yes you can have fun in your car. If your idea of fun is cool little flashing lights, fine. That's not the norm though for an enthusiast. Maybe you need a Prius or some other hybrid. They have cool little displays.
Oops! I had no idea, you were the World's Appointed Spokesperson for All Worldwide Car Enthusiasts! My bad!
Actually I've been looking for an older low mileage Metro to supplant my truck as an everyday driver. Oh wait... that was a jab that I'm not a true car guy. My bad... I guess I do need that little point making emoticon.

... Funny you mention that 'cause I wouldn't miss one in mine. I never use the thing in my car and infrequently use it in the truck.
Metro should suit you fine. No stereo, no extraneous gauges.
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned in numerous threads that I WILL wait to drive / see the thing but I DO NOT like the direction it appears to be taking.
I hope you do, wait and see. I have kept the faith in waiting, and do not believe we will be disappointed. I hope to see you posting here in a year or two about your new Camaro... but judging by how you post about the car, well I guess I am losing some faith in that....
Little more than 20 years. I guess that means your cyber penis is bigger than mine?

Oh. I guess so. It is bigger. That's why everybody who doesn't like the car or some aspect of it is wrong. You have more perspective. :bow: We're all so silly.
If you don't like someone occasionally challenging your opinions - don't post them. Else, I'd suggest you man up to dealing with it. Your opinions are just as valid as any other... but I am allowed to point out if they seem to be lacking in perspective or basis in facts. And right now, we do not yet have all the facts yet about the PRODUCTION Camaro interior. As for this crass e-p**** stuff - you can preclude such things, if you refrain from posting personal jabs about my car buying habits.
No pardon necessary. You're well within your right to buy whatever whenever you want. My point was that not everyone can do that or wants to do that. I can afford new cars much more often than I actually buy them. It's just that I personally don't need to have the newest, shiniest thing on the block. That's just me. Different strokes and all.
If you really believed it's ok for some to buy cars more often than you (instead of having petty jealousy about it), you wouldn't have singled others out for it.

I cannot believe the dissent on this forum! Let's point a few things out for those who just didn't look at the pictures closely enough:

1. The engine temp and fuel gauges are where they ought to be, logically, with the fuel in the tach and the temp in the speedo.

2. The gauges on the floor are largely unused and rather unimportant gauges - when was the last time you needed to check your electrical charge or oil pressure. Chances are, if either of them are low or high, you'll know without even having to look at a gauge (unless you plan on installing a megawatt sound system, in which case you can basque in the novelty of watching your charge rate dip at a red light to the beat of the bass :p)

3. As pointed out in #2, the gauges on the floor are purely asthetic. Therefore, a Tq gauge is neither stupid or important. It's just there. Kinda neat if you ask me, but should have no bearing on if you like the car or not. If it does, then I guess a Rustang is in order for you...... and you will eat the burned rubber of the Camaro, just as every Rustang owner ever has :D

If you guys can't get past the gauges, I don't know what to say other than you're knitpicking. That's like being up in arms over too much ice in your soda when you order it in a restaurant. I never got that :confused:

If you guys can't get past the gauges, I don't know what to say other than you're knitpicking.

Why? If it's a design I cannot bring myself to even tolerate, why is that knitpicking? You spend the majority of time sitting behind the wheel of a car, driving it, not oogling the exterior (which I DO like). So why spend all that time staring at something that's so painful for me personally to look at? That is why interior design is so important.

I believe GM could've went a million different design directions with the interior and I would have been fine with it. But this one's just not for me. For everyone that does like it, cool. Enjoy. Whether I get passed by the 5th Gen in stoplight races with my 4th Gen LS1 will not make much difference to me, honestly. I still enjoy my car immensely. :D Plus, it has some key features for me that will not be available on the 5th Gen.

I suppose it's best to just move along now....

I'm really wishing I wouldn't have sold a certain orange ss camaro. :(

I'm really wishing I wouldn't have sold a certain orange ss camaro. :(

Tom, there are more out there to be had! :)

From:
http://i31.tinypic.com/29yrplu.jpg

Now:
http://i31.tinypic.com/20kyrnm.jpg

I'm just happy it's coming back, and even now it looks sooo much more refined. And it's not even done yet.

you can find problems in EVERY cars interior, this isnt the car that is gonna change industry standards forever people its just a great car

examples: BMW 328I uncomfortable seats not real leather
Mustang: not real leather, plastic, boring look
all mercedes cars: bad/cheap cup holders
Suburban: kinda gotta reach for knobs.
NO INTERIOR IS PERFECT! but this is still good and the problems can be fixed

I like it ALOT

That "cockpit" looks tight.

I really like it! :thumb:

I like it ALOT

That "cockpit" looks tight.

I really like it! :thumb:
Yeah I'm worried that it's too tight, I have broad shoulders. I hope I can fit. The fourth gen was roomy, I hope the 5th gen will be too.

Torque gauge, huh?

I wonder how they are going to make it work.

Will it be an accurate gauge, like a mechanism from a dyno?
Or will it be inferred from a different source, like the old fuel mileage gauges that were just vacuum gauges?

I could think of more useful gauges than a "torque" gauge.

The torque gauge will be replaced with the boost gauge on the top dog.

Yes. And I've never said your opinion is 'wrong'. Annoying, rare, and divisive... but not wrong. I probably could have phrased my statement better but you have all but said that we are wrong for having the opinions we have because we haven't seen the final car.

Oops! I had no idea, you were the World's Appointed Spokesperson for All Worldwide Car Enthusiasts! My bad! Nope, apparently that title belongs to you or you wouldn't be exasperated with people like myself.

I hope you do, wait and see. I have kept the faith in waiting, and do not believe we will be disappointed. I hope to see you posting here in a year or two about your new Camaro... but judging by how you post about the car, well I guess I am losing some faith in that.... I've said in this very thread that I hope I'm wrong.

If you don't like someone occasionally challenging your opinions - don't post them. Else, I'd suggest you man up to dealing with it. Your opinions are just as valid as any other... but I am allowed to point out if they seem to be lacking in perspective or basis in facts. And right now, we do not yet have all the facts yet about the PRODUCTION Camaro interior. I'm dealing with it fine. You're the one who has a problem with people such as myself posting our "annoying" opinions.

You like most everything about the car, quite a lot it would seem, and since I don't like everything about the car, I lack perspective. That about right?

Have you questioned the perspective of those who share your opinion? How do you know they are worthy of holding the same opinion as yourself? Would I have perspective if I agreed with you?

As for this crass e-p**** stuff - you can preclude such things, if you refrain from posting personal jabs about my car buying habits.

If you really believed it's ok for some to buy cars more often than you (instead of having petty jealousy about it), you wouldn't have singled others out for it. Wow, why so touchy? You can be a smart ass but can't handle one in return? I'd like to suggest that you "man up and deal with it" but fair enough, I'll play nice from now on.

I couldn't care less how many vehicles you have or how often you buy one. Why would I? My point was and still is that not everyone buys a car as often as you apparently do and those people may take those purchases a bit more seriously because they're not going to unload the car in a few years.

Well Chewbacca, I'll tell you what. You have made some good points. I regret if I have offended you, and will try to not be so confrontational in the future.

I hope you do wait and see before deciding about the new Camaro. And hope you end up one of the chums here who owns one too.

Settle down ricers!!! Can we discuss the interior please? :p

Does anyone think there will be radio and cruise controls available on the steering wheel? Or will there not be any additional buttons on it?

Well Chewbacca, I'll tell you what. You have made some good points. I regret if I have offended you, and will try to not be so confrontational in the future.

I hope you do wait and see before deciding about the new Camaro. And hope you end up one of the chums here who owns one too.

Not a problem. :thumb:

I really hope I wind up with one too. In fact I hope they offer options and packages so that we can ALL have the car we want.

I cannot believe the dissent on this forum! Let's point a few things out for those who just didn't look at the pictures closely enough:

1. The engine temp and fuel gauges are where they ought to be, logically, with the fuel in the tach and the temp in the speedo.

2. The gauges on the floor are largely unused and rather unimportant gauges - when was the last time you needed to check your electrical charge or oil pressure. Chances are, if either of them are low or high, you'll know without even having to look at a gauge (unless you plan on installing a megawatt sound system, in which case you can basque in the novelty of watching your charge rate dip at a red light to the beat of the bass :p)

3. As pointed out in #2, the gauges on the floor are purely asthetic. Therefore, a Tq gauge is neither stupid or important. It's just there. Kinda neat if you ask me, but should have no bearing on if you like the car or not. If it does, then I guess a Rustang is in order for you...... and you will eat the burned rubber of the Camaro, just as every Rustang owner ever has :D

If you guys can't get past the gauges, I don't know what to say other than you're knitpicking. That's like being up in arms over too much ice in your soda when you order it in a restaurant. I never got that :confused:
Agreed, and well said.

Settle down ricers!!! Can we discuss the interior please? :p

Does anyone think there will be radio and cruise controls available on the steering wheel? Or will there not be any additional buttons on it?
I can't say for sure, but I do think this is a V6 car (judging by the wheels/tires, lack of spoiler, tach redline and torque meter limit). So it is likely missing a few optional goodies, like steering wheel buttons for the stereo at the very least. I think though that the CC buttons are on the left stalk, again just speculation, but it looks like that stalk has a button in the end of it....

Im already dreading having to explain how the torque gauge works, lol.

Nah im kidding... "[downshifts, dumps clutch, and hits 150 shot] Like this! Feel it??"

As the interior seems to be getting cleaned up more from one picture to the next, I like it more and more. I just hope they do change the font on the speedo and tach, because its not practical/readable.. it just seems out of place. I also hope they get rid of those boulbus radio knobs and make a nav screen optional. When I saw the first spy pic of the interior I was extremely disappointed - but now I dig it and have faith that it will only get better from this point.

..and shut up about the GD torque guage.. yeah, its kinda gimmicky but if you decide a year out that you will buy a Mustang over this car because one freaking out-of-sight guage was the straw that broke the camel's back, you need to change your rag because toxic shock syndrome may be setting in.

:lol: Torque gage??...:lol:

That 370lbft will last, what, for the first 2 mods??

Originally Posted by graham:
Im already dreading having to explain how the torque gauge works, lol.
No chit!..


I want a Horse Power Gage!...;)

I think the GM guys have a great sense of humor....they're probably reading our responses and laughing their @$$e$ off!...:lol:

This has got to be bogus info, a smokescreen...


I can't believe you guys are honestly defending a "T o r q u e" gage..?

I think it's funny. Watching people bitch and moan about the car.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2220732021_313d24b4d3_o.jpg

Those wheels remind me a little of early IROC rims, but it's hard to see through the tape...maybe 18"s??

Does anyone think there will be radio and cruise controls available on the steering wheel? Or will there not be any additional buttons on it?

The only button available on a '69 Camaro was the horn. So no, I wouldn't anticipate radio controls on the steering wheel. They wouldn't fit the "theme" of the interior. :lol: :p ;)

I think the SSRs have torque gauges on them as well. Thats funny though I wouldnt doubt the engineers are screwing with us.;) And if it upsets you this much, for that or the interior in general. Then you prolly dont belong in a Camaro. Sorry, go get a 300 HP Mustang or a Lexus. Im perfectly happy with the interiors in my 4th gen TA and Z28. I really hope that is just a filler for the Boost gauge however:cool: I hope the use the horseshoe shifter in the autos like the first gens did.
Im glad the internet wasnt what it is today when the 4th gens were getting ready to come out. I remember seeing FWD mules when GM was considering cutting their budget. That would of been scary.:eek:
Off topic, I wonder where those pics were taken, the ones of the extirior show some kind of engine output charts on the walls.:confused:

And if it upsets you this much, for that or the interior in general. Then you prolly dont belong in a Camaro. Sorry, go get a 300 HP Mustang or a Lexus.

Yeah you're right, the Camaro could have milk crates for seats and I should be lining up to buy. Silly me. :D

Settle down ricers!!! Can we discuss the interior please? :p

Does anyone think there will be radio and cruise controls available on the steering wheel? Or will there not be any additional buttons on it?


The cruise will be on the steering wheel, as well as radio/climate controls. The car just isn't at the point in development where they need to add the switches on the steering wheel - that still may not be the exact final production steering wheel.

Take a close look at the pictures of the steering column and turn signal stalk - you'll notice at the tip of the stalk where GM used to put their cruise control it says "MENU"..... I'm guessing they are moving towards a system similar to BMW, where you tap the end of the turn signal stalk to scroll through the driver information center. I think that's a very cool way to go, and it cleans up some clutter on the dash board.

I still don't think this "torque" gauge is real.

To measure torque, you need a dyno. Every dyno I've ever seen has a big absorber on the back.
Older dynos used a water pump system. Water is allowed to flow into the pump housing - the stator, and the rotating pump wheel - the rotor, drives the water out. Varying the amount of water flowing into the dyno increases the work load the engine must produce to drive the water out of the pump housing. In effect the pump is acting as a brake on the engine.

Modern dynos no longer rely on a mechanical weighing mechanism to measure the force exerted by the engine on the arm attached to the stator. An electronic load cell is used instead. Where as the arm of the stator acting on the older mechanical scales moved noticeably, the arm acting on the load cell does not seem to move at all. The load cell uses a strain gauge to measure the minute expansion or contraction it undergoes. Using information supplied by the strain gauge, the load cell sends electronic signals to a computer which registers and transforms the data into a meaningful display.

Go on the web and look at pictures of dynos for car engines.
Do you really think they could package all the necessary hardware of a dyno into a tranny bellhousing and still have room for the flywheel/flexplate, torque converter, clutch assembly?

I don't think they could package the hardware of a dyno into something the size of the WHOLE CAR, let alone the bellhousing.

Either that "gauge" is bogus, or it's tied to something else, like engine vacuum.
Open the throttle all the way, vacuum drops to near zero, gauge goes to 370. Open it half way, vacuum drops to half, gauge goes to 180. And all the variations in between.



OK. So there are torque sensors out there. But the ones I saw on the web were either physically too big or didn't have the necessary capacity. I guess it's possible.

IDK, it seems either fake or really gimmicky to me.

And it's not enough to stop me from buying the car.

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson:
Yeah you're right, the Camaro could have milk crates for seats and I should be lining up to buy. Silly me.
I had a milk crate for a passenger seat for a while in a 1st gen at the track, the chicks thought it was c o o l ....:lol:
Maybe it'll be an option?;)

(I'm still holdin out for a Fuel Pressure Gage, no wait...that's just silly car guy stuff.)

I look at the interior as a whole and it is very modern. The gauges are really the only thing even remotely retro about it. And they still look modern. I mean, they could have made them like this:

http://i20.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d0/82/3474_1.JPG from a 1969 GTO

http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/f5/torque-gauge-3955/

http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/f5/torque-gauge-3955/

Who would have thought there were SSr fanatics?

Who would have thought there were SSr fanatics?
I wish people wouldn't make fun of such folk. I realize the SSR wasn't a greatly popular success for GM. But I recall vividly when they first came out, seeing a proud new owner of one in a local restaurant parking lot. It was clear the owner was ecstatic about his vehicle. His wife was taking pix of him and his buddies in front of it... they fiddled with the vehicle, and he and his crew stood around chatting about it, and he was clearly very excited to own it. Since when is that something to put down?

To me the interior looks better than the first pics. Color and fit and finsih go far to help the admittedly odd layout. The steering wheel looks like it's made very well.

I'm not a fan of the lower guages and wish they were between the speedo/tach. What is in that open area?

I'm not sure what's up with the torque guage? Why is that needed? Rather it was a outside temp guage or a clock. Or better yet a boost guage!

Does the LS3 rev to 6k?

Taking into account the glare & fuzziness of the pics....

I LIKE IT!! Definitely looks like it's coming together.

As far as the guages.....
I've never heard of a "torque gage" sounds gimmicky and, well, stupid. Maybe it was put there as an inside joke of some sort? I suppose it could be "cover" for a boost gage, but I would have thought you'd want that closer to the tach :shrug:?

Oil temp gage? Love it!! THAT they definitely need to keep.

I like the look of the shifter as well. I wasn't digging the shifter style of the concepts at all. The one in the pic looks "normal" and business-like. It also looks like it may be on the shorter side which I assume would mean a shorter throw as well :cool:.

Does the LS3 rev to 6k?


It redlines @ 6,500 or 6,600 rpm's.

I dunno. The interior, mainly the instrumentation, was always the worst aspect of the concept, for me. The new pics look less impressive than those of the concept BUT this isn't the final product so why stress?

Lucky I was sold just on the exterior. :D

As for the torque gauge, hey I'm not complaining. All gauges are useless if you are not using them. ;)

I can live with this interior quite nicely. (as long as Nav is an option) And Halos on the Gauges???? SWEET.

a menu knob could also mean a HUD! :)

and if you look at the speedo after looking at it for a good 5 min it kinda looks like it does end at 160. it looks like it goes 50-80-100

blow up the pic to see

i am starting to really like the interior i just hope they change the tach and speedo

Geez! Reading this thread so far just blows me away!! (Most of) you guys are IMPOSSIBLE!!! "I'm going to go buy a Mustang because of a torque gage", "I don't think a performance car needs extra gages", I can't even believe I'm reading this on a CAMARO SITE!!!! After reading these comments I now think the top end Camaro shouldn't be an SS, or Z/28 - it should be a STFU. With a pack of ingrates like this, GM should cancel the car!!! In case any of you geniuses forgot - the car went away in 2002. So now that it's coming back what do (most of) you do? Moan and whine EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!!! ABOUT A GAGE!!! :confused:All of you complaining so strongly at this point make me sick! I don't want you guys to be Camaro fans - you give the rest of us a bad name........I mean, Camaro means FRIEND and COMRADE....not bitch and moan!:mad:

With that rant over, I want to say I'm thrilled to see that the car gets better looking with every spy shot. At no point does it look like GM is going far from the concept and even better, at no point does it look like GM is looking to make a sub-par car. :) It's clear that great effort is going into this car and when I think of what could have been done instead, I think we're all very lucky to be getting the car we're getting. I'm excited and can't freaking wait!! :bow:

well said shellhead lol
for all you people buying a mustang because of a torque gauge go ahead when 2009 comes and we have are camaros well see whose gonna get smoked :D

*in style of Allen Iverson* I can't believe what we are here talking about. A gauge. a gauge. A GAUGE? Not actual HP output, but a gauge. GM put all this time into car, spending days and nights trying to bring you a new Camaro. But here we are talking about a gauge. What are we talking about here? a gauge. What are we talking about? A GAUGE. Not curb weight, not overall design, but a gauge. How the hell you gon' base a car purchase on a gauge:D

For those who don't know how to read that, please refer to:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8674145394662937394&q=iverson+practice+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com&total=74&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Considering all aspects of the interior, a HUD would fit perfectly.. oh man, that would be so insane.. they have to do it.

A HUD would make me love the car 1000 times more than i already do :D

well said shellhead lol
for all you people buying a mustang because of a torque gauge go ahead when 2009 comes and we have are camaros well see whose gonna get smoked :D
So true! :)

I agree with Shellhead too.

Geez! Reading this thread so far just blows me away!! (Most of) you guys are IMPOSSIBLE!!! "I'm going to go buy a Mustang because of a torque gage", "I don't think a performance car needs extra gages", I can't even believe I'm reading this on a CAMARO SITE!!!! After reading these comments I now think the top end Camaro shouldn't be an SS, or Z/28 - it should be a STFU. With a pack of ingrates like this, GM should cancel the car!!! In case any of you geniuses forgot - the car went away in 2002. So now that it's coming back what do (most of) you do? Moan and whine EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!!! ABOUT A GAGE!!! :confused:All of you complaining so strongly at this point make me sick! I don't want you guys to be Camaro fans - you give the rest of us a bad name........I mean, Camaro means FRIEND and COMRADE....not bitch and moan!:mad:

E-gads. The line for Ritalin is over there ------->>

*in style of Allen Iverson* I can't believe what we are here talking about. A gauge. a gauge. A GAUGE? Not actual HP output, but a gauge. GM put all this time into car, spending days and nights trying to bring you a new Camaro. But here we are talking about a gauge. What are we talking about here? a gauge. What are we talking about? A GAUGE. Not curb weight, not overall design, but a gauge. How the hell you gon' base a car purchase on a gauge:D

LMFAO!!! :lol::lol::lol:


I can just see Iverson sitting in front of the press at the auto show saying exactly that, too!

When I had my C5, I was so used to the HUD, I didn't even look at the actual gauges.

I'll take the cool looking placement of these auxillary gauges over the more convenient location near the speedo/tach, especially if their data is backed up on the HUD.

As for all the rest...
http://www.nehpets.org/images/dilligas.gif

When I had my C5, I was so used to the HUD, I didn't even look at the actual gauges.

I'll take the cool looking placement of these auxillary gauges over the more convenient location near the speedo/tach, especially if their data is backed up on the HUD.
100% Agreed. A HUD would/will trump essentially all the gripes posted already, regarding Camaro instrumentation. I absolutely love the HUD on my Prix.

What point are you trying to make?


I'm sorry all that terrible reading is a problem for you Mike got a camaro. I'll try to use smaller words and shorter sentences. Maybe you could follow along if the site had text balloons like your favorite comic book.

Couldn't be more wrong about that one Sparky. I had / have plans to buy two.

And despite your less than witty retort about GM caring about me, they should. In recent history I have purchased more than $100K of their products. My first car was a 1st gen '68 so I'm not automatically turned off by the "heritage" features of the new car. I bought my other Camaros brand new with no second thoughts going in.

Despite all that, this car is not a slam dunk purchase decision for me. They should worry about that, dontcha think?

Thanks for playing though.

Are you this much of a douche bag in real life. Seriously, your posts are now just filled with your useless information to try and prove your own point.

I hope I never have to meet you at a meet...oh wait, I wont because you bought a mustang over a gauge.

ok thanks bye, the mustang forums are over there ---->

I noticed alot of the fans of this interior seem to be fixated on douche bags, tampons, feminine pads and toxic shock syndrome.

Just an observation....

I noticed alot of the fans of this interior seem to be fixated on douche bags, tampons, feminine pads and toxic shock syndrome.

Just an observation....

Well, arent you a keen one.

I have read through this entire thread, and it is by far the funniest thing I have read today.

Im sorry I had to resort to name calling and talking ****e. BUT, I mean seriously, I havent even decided anything, because I KNOW that things change when they go into production, and I also know that I am never going to find a car that makes me 100% happy...maybe 99.9, but its just impossible, but hey...thats why god invented the aftermarket.

I figured you guys would be bitching about the 75 degree handbrake...but a gauge..A GAUGE. Seriously.

100% Agreed. A HUD would/will trump essentially all the gripes posted already, regarding Camaro instrumentation.

We keep going round and round on this. While I'm sure that I will never convince you to see things my way, I would at least like you to see where your answer to this issue may not be for everyone.


As mentioned above, your assertion has been that we can simply order a HUD to compensate for any issue we may have with the dash / instrumentation layout. Correct?

What if the customer doesn't want a HUD for whatever reason? What should that customer do? Do you really think this should be a case of "Sorry. No HUD, no reading the gauges. If you don't like that, I guess this Camaro is not for you." Note that I am not saying GM has done this. I am simply trying to point out the flaw in your logic.

Why should the customer be required to pay extra for a HUD just to get information that for decades has been conveyed through simple gauges? Yes, I am assuming that a HUD will not be standard equipment.

Can you at least acknowledge that not everyone shares your enthusiasm for a HUD and this does not make them abnormal? Note that I am not saying you are abnormal for wanting a HUD.

BUT, I mean seriously, I havent even decided anything, because I KNOW that things change when they go into production

Well, we've seen two separate sets of spy shots now. The second seem to just corroborate the first. We're less than a year away from production. Me thinks things won't be changing too much.

thats why god invented the aftermarket.

If the aftermarket came up with a complete dash replacement kit, it might peak my interest again. :yes:

Are you this much of a douche bag in real life. Seriously, your posts are now just filled with your useless information to try and prove your own point.

I hope I never have to meet you at a meet...oh wait, I wont because you bought a mustang over a gauge.

ok thanks bye, the mustang forums are over there ---->

:lol:

Why would you hope you never have to meet me at a meet? Whatever that means....

I'd be more than happy to meet you at a meet. What would happen if that were to occur?

:lol:

Why would you hope you never have to meet me at a meet? Whatever that means....

I'd be more than happy to meet you at a meet. What would happen if that were to occur?

Forget that guy Chewy, I'll be happy to meet you at a "meet". Maybe Wilson can join us too. I hope they'll have some available tampons there. You know, in relation to the "torque" gauge and all.... :lol:

Also something else I just caught that I dont believe has been pointed out yet.

Look at the gas gauge under the Tach...Do I see an arrow pointing toward the passenger side of the car??? I believe I do.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/thumb800x800_2221526424_9e0604b3ac_o.jpg

:lol:

Why would you hope you never have to meet me at a meet? Whatever that means....

I'd be more than happy to meet you at a meet. What would happen if that were to occur?

Dude, Im not trying to start a fight, I just dont understand how you (and others, Im not just picking on you) can just blatantly disregaurd a car because of one gauge.

I dont know, i just dont get it.

Dude, Im not trying to start a fight, I just dont understand how you (and others, Im not just picking on you) can just blatantly disregaurd a car because of one gauge.

I dont know, i just dont get it.HELLO !!! IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ONE GAUGE! BUT THAT ONE GAUGE IS SIMPLY THE ICING ON THE CAKE!

If the aftermarket came up with a complete dash replacement kit, it might peak my interest again. :yes:

Here you go!
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/ccl-140-66-50042_w.jpg

http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/yippee.gif

Here you go!

Thanks Bob, that would work just fine....but can we get a center stack replacement too?

I know this is great fun for you because you're not a Camaro guy.....

Dude, Im not trying to start a fight, I just dont understand how you (and others, Im not just picking on you) can just blatantly disregaurd a car because of one gauge.

I dont know, i just dont get it.

Fair enough. I can now have a disussion with you.

I am not blatantly disregarding the car because of one gauge. A lot of little things I don't like are starting to pile up for me. This is causing me to take a look outside the fishbowl so to speak.

In other words, what will I buy if I can't come to terms with this car?

I will make NO decision until I drive the car. I will make NO decision until I kick the tires on a car optioned most similar to the "ideal" Camaro I have in my head. With that said, I'm not really liking where this is headed based on what I have seen so far.


And yes, I can be a prick if need be. How nice I play is up to the other kids in the sandbox. :D

Forget that guy Chewy, I'll be happy to meet you at a "meet". Maybe Wilson can join us too.

Sure, just let me know where and when. The three of us nuts-o's can whine about the interior in peace (along with 75% of the posters there in jalopnik...whoops.) ;)

HELLO !!! IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ONE GAUGE! BUT THAT ONE GAUGE IS SIMPLY THE ICING ON THE CAKE!

If thats how you see it, then that is your decision.

Sorry the general could meet your expectations.

Lets keep in mind that we do not know how old these pics are? They are spy shots... of a camo'd car. With that in mind, we all have read about the word from up high to remove the camo and show the car for what it is. So, for all we know these are just another early layout of the interior as they continue to refine and develop different ideas. If you feel strongly about items seen in the picture lets try to provide constructive criticism rather than just a rant. If you want to get a message across provide your thoughts on what would make it better.... not just that something looks like @#*! and then run away. We have already been given the tidbit that a HUD is probably lurking in the shadows... the safety engineers know that you don't want your eyes to go to the console for you info... but I like the idea of the console gauges as a secondary source.

Take a deep breath, wait for more credible information, and have patience during the dark times before the Camaro comes back to life. I am sure Scott will have the black Suburbans on the way already to find the unfortunate sole who leaked those pics (over seas maybe) and may shed some light.

If thats how you see it, then that is your decision.

Sorry the general could meet your expectations.

Me too. I had high hopes.

I'm just going to say it...... no holding back on this...

TERRIBLE. Absolutely terrible looking interior. This picture just confirms what the earlier spy photos were pointing to as far as a general design scheme.

Gauges? Ugly
Console gauges? Ugly and out of place. Get rid of these! Save costs while you're at it!
Steering wheel? Ugly
HVAC and radio controls? Ugly

Man, they nailed the exterior of this car... it's just magnificent! But they completely got the interior wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

GM is doing a good job at shooting their selves in the foot here.

Yes, I know its a mule. Yes, I know its not finished. I do NOT like the design of the interior. I didn't like the concept interior, and I certainly don't like this one, and I know i'm certainly not alone here.

how is the steering wheel ugly thats like the second best part of the car!

these are at least 3 weeks old or they could have a non camo car and then a camo car we NEED a picture from the general!

Thanks Bob, that would work just fine....but can we get a center stack replacement too?

LOL. Uh....workin on it. ;)

I know this is great fun for you because you're not a Camaro guy.....

While I am having fun, the reason is not because I'm not a "Camaro" guy. And while I have owned more Mustangs than F-bodys, I have been down that road (so to speak) a time or two...

http://members.cox.net/cosbypics/images/formula.jpg

http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/z28.jpg

http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/ta/images/mir-ta2.jpg

:)

Forget that guy Chewy, I'll be happy to meet you at a "meet". Maybe Wilson can join us too. .... :lol:
I too hope we can all meet up someday. I don't agree with some of what a few here say - but can definitely relate to their opinions and positions. And it's clear many here are bonafide experts on Camaro history, such as Z284ever.

I hope we can douse the flames and just discuss the car, not female hygiene products :p

http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/ta/images/mir-ta2.jpg

:eek: Where have I seen that car before? Wait....

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/125164/holeshotking.jpg

A pic from my drag racing days.

:p Sorry Bob. Couldn't resist.

You've never been to Atco have you? :D

While I am having fun, the reason is not because I'm not a "Camaro" guy.

Ok, let's just say you're not nearly as "emotionally invested" in Camaro as we are.

:eek: Where have I seen that car before? Wait....

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/125164/holeshotking.jpg

A pic from my drag racing days.

:p Sorry Bob. Couldn't resist.

You've never been to Atco have you? :D

LOL. Many times - but not with the T/A. And when I had it, I even picked on Mustangs...

http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/ta/images/ta&gt3.jpg

:D

Ok, let's just say you're not nearly as "emotionally invested" in Camaro as we are.

I concur with you 100% on that one.

Bob

Cool racing pix Bob :cool:

I like the torque gauge (or "gage" as GM insists on spelling it).

It's the REST of the dash I'm having trouble with.

Johnny 5 is alive!!

J/K, I love that interior!!

http://www.johnny-five.com/images/sc2/scenes/walking.jpg

2. The gauges on the floor are largely unused and rather unimportant gauges - when was the last time you needed to check your electrical charge or oil pressure. Chances are, if either of them are low or high, you'll know without even having to look at a gauge (unless you plan on installing a megawatt sound system, in which case you can basque in the novelty of watching your charge rate dip at a red light to the beat of the bass :p)

I'd hardly call oil pressure or voltage unimportant. Yes, odds are there will be some idiot light to alert you if you have a total failure.

IMO it would still be nice to have it somewhere you would notice if it was starting to go haywire before the catastrophic failure kicked in. For example, the oil pressure isn't peaking as high when you're getting into it because of something clogging the pick up, or poor oil drainback. That's not necessarily something that would set off the idiot light, but it sure would be nice to know. Same thing if you had bouncing voltage as you cruised along because of a bad solder joint in the electronics, or a fialing diode or loose wire, etc.

Basically, the entire point of gauges is to be familiar with normal behavior so you can notice abnormal behavior before it leads to a catastrophic or even just inconvenient failure. And guages on the floor will make it a bit inconvenient to scan over as you drive down the road. Given there is a gap between the tach and speedo anyway, exactly wtf was the point of not putting guages there? And if there is to be a DIC there and it's capable of echoing guages information, again, wtf is the point of the console guages?

i want an oil pressure gauge now this past summer the oil pump on my uncles 73 nova seized and he saw the oil pressure gauge drop so guages like that do help

SSR Torque gauge goes to 400

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/ChevroletSSR/Images2005/AuxGauges.jpg

Is everyone happy now.......

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t268/30thz286speed/camaro_int_dcu_kgp_ed.jpg

I noticed alot of the fans of this interior seem to be fixated on douche bags, tampons, feminine pads and toxic shock syndrome.

Just an observation....

I recommend you retract that. If you don't like the car fine. You don't have to. Nobody is going to change anyones mind on this board but leave your emotion out of it.
It's a Rookie move ya really hate to see it!

Is everyone happy now.......

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t268/30thz286speed/camaro_int_dcu_kgp_ed.jpg

:bow:

I could still see some people complaning about the steering wheel. :rolleyes: What was that saying about trying to please everyone....

no the dash is to cluttered :P

I recommend you retract that. If you don't like the car fine. You don't have to. Nobody is going to change anyones mind on this board but leave your emotion out of it.
It's a Rookie move ya really hate to see it!


You recommend I retract that? What, are you my attorney?

Why don't you recommend that everyone who used those characterizations, to describe those with criticisms of the interior, retract their comments, afterall that's where they came from.

Please spare me your brow beating....

Is everyone happy now.......

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t268/30thz286speed/camaro_int_dcu_kgp_ed.jpg

Nope....gotta fix the steering first - then I'll be happy. :D

Oops....I'm complaining....sorry.
:shame:

ur not complaining your giving advice on what to fix :D

Is everyone happy now.......

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t268/30thz286speed/camaro_int_dcu_kgp_ed.jpg
LOL! :D

But wait... where's my burnished walnut trim? The Camaro will never stack up well against all those Mercedes without it :cry: :D

Im really happy with the look of the console gauges with black background. The center vents are cool. I also like the bar above the vents and the steering wheel is growing on me.

The center stack almost looks pregnant. I am very disapointed that the long arm of the misplaced God aful ugly 4th gens e brake made it to this car. Why couldnt we have got one like the G8 on the drivers side?

Me too. I had high hopes.

Does that mean youre not buying a Z28?

You recommend I retract that? What, are you my attorney?

Why don't you recommend that everyone who used those characterizations, to describe those with criticisms of the interior, retract their comments, afterall that's where they came from.

Please spare me your brow beating....
Charlie, pls lighten up. We're just having fun here. You don't have to retract anything if you don't want to. If it helps any, I am sorry if I've caused any grief.

You recommend I retract that? What, are you my attorney?

Why don't you recommend that everyone who used those characterizations, to describe those with criticisms of the interior, retract their comments, afterall that's where they came from.

Please spare me your brow beating....

I'm soo sorry please continue to post silly emotion based message so that everyone can not only see that you don't like something but are willing to stoop down and start calling names because others don't agree.

It's just a car and some like love it and some won't and others will be on the fence posting over and over isn't worth the electricity usage because nobody is going to change their minds because someone else says they do or don't like it.

If you don't like the car don't buy it it's ok believe me.

But by all means please carry on with the cause...

Nope....gotta fix the steering first - then I'll be happy. :D

Oops....I'm complaining....sorry.
:shame:

I actually like his photoshopped radio and HVAC controls better than what GM is vomiting on us.


Stick a 09 CTS gauge cluster and steering wheel on there.

Im really happy with the look of the console gauges with black background. The center vents are cool. I also like the bar above the vents and the steering wheel is growing on me.

The center stack almost looks pregnant. I am very disapointed that the long arm of the misplaced God aful ugly 4th gens e brake made it to this car. Why couldnt we have got one like the G8 on the drivers side?

I was just at the Detroit Auto Show a couple days ago. I sat in a new production G8, and tried out the integrated e-brake. I'm... not all on fire about it. It's a little TOO well integrated in there, IMO. If a person wasn't very familiar with the car, say my wife for example - they might have a problem finding it in an emergency. I could get used to it I guess though... and overall the G8's interior was pretty nice. But so far I see no reason to dislike the new Camaro's e-brake.

I'm soo sorry ..

Apology accepted. Now go after these guys if you will, since you're on a crusade.

Are you this much of a douche bag in real life. Seriously, your posts are now just filled with your useless information to try and prove your own point.



..and shut up about the GD torque guage.. yeah, its kinda gimmicky but if you decide a year out that you will buy a Mustang over this car because one freaking out-of-sight guage was the straw that broke the camel's back, you need to change your rag because toxic shock syndrome may be setting in.

Cry babies! Damn I sure hope you go buy a mustang if a torque gauge upsets you so much. Maybe you guys would happier if they put a gauge to monitor when you should change your tampon. .

I actually like his photoshopped radio and HVAC controls better than what GM is vomiting on us.


Stick a 09 CTS gauge cluster and steering wheel on there.
Hmm, that's pretty strange IMO. Those would look wildly out of place on a Camaro. And while you are sure entitled to post away... 'vomiting' is a pretty strong word to use. If you hate it that much... maybe the car's not for you. You don't see me hating on the C6... even though I don't plan to ever buy a Vette.

Does that mean youre not buying a Z28?

We'll see. I still intend on checking it out though. Who knows if the 5th gen will last long enough for them to release a Z/28. What with CAFE, death of Zeta, turmoil with the CAW in Oshawa and all.

I've been really thinking about a Z06. It's really more money than I want to spend, but what the heck, for the cost of the two 5th gens I was considering buying....there you go. That, or an LSx 3rd gen conversion.....

I was just at the Detroit Auto Show a couple days ago. I sat in a new production G8, and tried out the integrated e-brake. I'm... not all on fire about it. It's a little TOO well integrated in there, IMO. If a person wasn't very familiar with the car, say my wife for example - they might have a problem finding it in an emergency. I could get used to it I guess though... and overall the G8's interior was pretty nice. But so far I see no reason to dislike the new Camaro's e-brake.

well then we really disagree there. I HATED my 98s ebrake. This thing seems just as long and just as unergonomic. It could have at least been installed drivers side. Hopefully it wont be hooked to the ABS this time either.


We'll see. I still intend on checking it out though. Who knows if the 5th gen will last long enough for them to release a Z/28. What with CAFE, death of Zeta, turmoil with the CAW in Oshawa and all.

I've been really thinking about a Z06. It's really more money than I want to spend, but what the heck, for the cost of the two 5th gens I was considering buying....there you go. That, or an LSx 3rd gen conversion.....

The Z06 is really impressive and always turns my head. Just well executed all the way around. Looks power performance and even cargo space. That might be what you really want if youre willing to pay for the lighter car. I like the Camaro because it has looks I like and you can put two people in the back once in a while and still load up bags for a vacation or groceries.

LOL! :D

But wait... where's my burnished walnut trim? The Camaro will never stack up well against all those Mercedes without it :cry: :D

That only comes in LT trim. ;)

well then we really disagree there. I HATED my 98s ebrake. This thing seems just as long and just as unergonomic. It could have at least been installed drivers side. Hopefully it wont be hooked to the ABS this time either.
Ok. To each his own I guess. If I had an emergency though - where everything's going to He** and I only have a second or two left to grab a handle to save my life - I want a prominent lever sitting there that I can grab without even looking at it, for example in the dark or if a window has already been shattered and junk is flying around everywhere. YMMV :shrug:

Ok. To each his own I guess. If I had an emergency though - where everything's going to He** and I only have a second or two left to grab a handle to save my life - I want a prominent lever sitting there that I can grab without even looking at it, for example in the dark or if a window has already been shattered and junk is flying around everywhere. YMMV :shrug:

so if youre in an emergency situation, you dont want it right next to you on the drivers side?

That only comes in LT trim. ;)
Of Course! How about an LTZ Camaro :cool: :D

To include: burnished genuine Brazil Rain Forest walnut trim... Billet brass (simulated GOLD) plated instrument rings... Large heated and cooled console Perrier water bottle holder... dual seat vibrators and scent generators... and a large centrally located instant MPG gauge in the LTZ :bow:

I think it's coming together very nicely. Can't wait.

so if youre in an emergency situation, you dont want it right next to you on the drivers side?
Umm - not really. People get pushed and moved around in emergency situations. I might be leaning real hard on that area and not be able to lift it quickly. I drive alone a LOT (to work). Chances are, I'd be able to reach over another whole five inches and pull the lever up on the other console side, without any conflicts or resistance.

We'll see. I still intend on checking it out though. Who knows if the 5th gen will last long enough for them to release a Z/28. What with CAFE, death of Zeta, turmoil with the CAW in Oshawa and all.
So...that's it then? You've already written it off? Zeta, and the Camaro.
Nice.

Umm - not really. People get pushed and moved around in emergency situations. I might be leaning real hard on that area and not be able to lift it quickly. I drive alone a LOT (to work). Chances are, I'd be able to reach over another whole five inches and pull the lever up on the other console side, without any conflicts or resistance.

You brought up an emergency situation. So if I were in one, I would much perfer a well placed ergonomic Ebrake rather than a long cumbersome lever pass side 5 inches farther as you put it. Yeah youd might be able to reach 5 inches farther but it would be more of a hassle in the scenario you put up to prove your point.

On the Z28 the torque gauge will be replaced by a boost gauge anyway. :D

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

it needs to be perfect if anybody is gonna buy it! and it cant have a tourqe gauge! :P

So...that's it then? You've already written it off? Zeta, and the Camaro.
Nice.
Much as I am intrigued in discussing Camaro topics with some here, I guess my main philosophical difference is basic. I'm a "glass-half-full" type person. Some here (not you Dragon) seem to think the Camaro is somehow doomed. CAFE, CAW, fickle interior customers, all these things seem to be Phantoms to some that will strike this new car down. I simply refuse to believe it. I have faith, that it's destined to be a hit. GM and the CAW will figure out a way to make it happen - they both have too much to lose otherwise.

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

100% agreed.

You brought up an emergency situation. So if I were in one, I would much perfer a well placed ergonomic Ebrake rather than a long cumbersome lever pass side 5 inches farther as you put it. Yeah youd might be able to reach 5 inches farther but it would be more of a hassle in the scenario you put up to prove your point.
I see your point, but respectfully continue to disagree. I doubt the e-brake lever is going to be a big factor in people's car choice anyway :shrug:

About the "torque" gage...where's the everyday practical use of it come into play??
I can see; "oil temp", "oil pressure", "volts", maybe even "coolant temp" or "trans fluid temp" or even "Fuel pressure"....all of these are mission critical items in a serious street machine like Camaro, especially Z28!

Instead of attacking anyone's opinions about the car, spy shots and torque gage, explain how this would be a value adding device for the Camaro...if it doesn't add value, it adds cost.

For that matter, instead of name calling, back up your positive observations of the car, pictures etc.....how does it compare to what's selling in volume, what people want, or like?

This car CAN'T just appeal to us Camaro fanatics...;)
It needs MASS APPEAL....

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

100% agreed.
Unfortunately....that doesn't provide an in-depth enough conversation for 'some'. Actually - I agree with that :lol: There wouldn't be much to talk about...just a lot of drooling.;)

I digress - 'some' seem to live and breath off of negative thoughts...it's a sad notion.:(

And 'some', still believe that GM is catering this car directly to them (I'm NOT talking about any single person) so loving the fact it's coming back at all simply isn't enough. Too bad this whole thing wasn't just a massive surprise in 2009.


Instead of attacking anyone's opinions about the car, spy shots and torque gage, explain how this would be a value adding device for the Camaro...if it doesn't add value, it adds cost.
I think that it's purely a gimmick. (Not a bad thing)
People will sit in the car and, while admiring the materials and fit, look down and think..."hey, that's kinda neat". But they will have no intentions of actually using it ever. Seriously, what everyday use could it have?

Really - I think that's all it is.

I see your point, but respectfully continue to disagree. I doubt the e-brake lever is going to be a big factor in people's car choice anyway :shrug:

youre entitled to disagree. Its well down the list, I would just perfer it drivers side and more ergonomic. I feel the same about perfering a drivers side gas cap because Im always late. To me its just one more thing that makes life easier. But I also get that people dont want to bang their doors. Similarly I understand some people are really tall 6'5" or so and perfer the ebrake pass side I guess. Strangely Im 6'3" and dont. To me its inconveinient. Just my opinon...

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

I was just stating my opinon and what I feel is constructive critism. Everyone is entitled to that. If every thing you type are things you like about the car even when you dont like it, how credible is what you say? Also if you dont pipe up and state your opinon respectibly, that you feel something could be improved posiblly with an example, whos fault is it that noone knew you didnt like a particular aspect?

i no everyone has there own opionion and i respect everyones
i dislike some things about the camaro that i posted before but im not gonna worry about not buying the car over where the e brake is and about a torque guage bc all of that could be changed in 09

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

Clearly happiness is lacking heavily on CamaroZ28.com right now. :(

I don't believe anyone here is saying that just b/c of this gage or that brake etc, I'm buying an "XXXX"...
It's b/c these "things" are piling up, sure we can tollerate this or that, but when there's more things needing tollerated than are pleasing, it becomes worrisome...

So...that's it then? You've already written it off? Zeta, and the Camaro.
Nice.

The handwriting is on the wall regarding Zeta - and maybe even Oshawa. I haven't written anything off, and hope that the Camaro is a great success. But it would be unrealistic to think that this Camaro will live to go through a normal cycle.

I really like the inside. It seems great but I think we are expecting too much from this car. First we have to see thiscar as an economical car. To be honest I think this car has the best interior in its class. Mustang has a decent interior, charger has a better interior than mustang and it seems camaro will have the best. I don't know, we do still have a good amount of time before production.

Clearly happiness is lacking heavily on CamaroZ28.com right now. :(
Maybe... for a select few. I'm not going to let it faze me. I'm still stoked about this car... I will be able to DRIVE ONE OF THESE HOME in just about a year from now! :bow:

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/camaro.jpg

(I know, that's the concept not the production car)

(from http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2006/01/camaro_trumps_d.html )

On Sunday afternoon, the floor of the North American International Show in Detroit was abuzz over the unveiling of the Dodge Challenger concept that was also on magazine covers like Autoweek and Automobile. The muscle car in red got our blood pumping. And then a funny thing happened. GM unveiled the Camaro concept. And the air pretty much went out of the Challenger.

Chrysler pretty much dusts GM on concept cars. But not this time. It was an otherwise quiet show for GM. Not much to get excited about. New Escalade? Sorry. Yawn. But the Camaro was the car that people lined up to see. Under Bob Lutz and chief designer Ed Welburn, GM’s studio hit a much needed homerun and cleared the bases.

Whereas Chrysler kind of enslaved itself to the orginal 1970 Challenger, GM updated the idea of the Camaro into a modern interpretation of a muscle car that paid homage to the original Camaro from the late 1960s without trying to redo the car.
Though Chrysler boss Tom Lasords and head PR man Jason Vines dispute my assertion that Challenger wilted after the Camaro was unsheeted, my chats with several top designers and buff book editors tell me I have it right.

The handwriting is on the wall regarding Zeta - and maybe even Oshawa. I haven't written anything off, and hope that the Camaro is a great success. But it would be unrealistic to think that this Camaro will live to go through a normal cycle.
Foo. See above.

It seems great but I think we are expecting too much from this car.

I agree with you 100% dude so far this is the BEST interior compared to the mustang and challenger, if they could make it mainly leather and not plastic id be happy.

As long as it still looks good and goes fast it can come with a 3rd gen interior for all I care.

whats with all the dissagreing
we all should be happy the camaro is coming back:)

I think some people had a preconceived idea of what the fifth gen should be and they are bitter because GM did not go with their idea of what a modern Camaro is and what it should have.

I am more in the don't like it camp. While overall I think it looks like it looks like quality was improved and more attention was paid to detail, those details were may have been invented under the influence of psychoactive substances.

I am glad that at least a couple of the gauges buried in the center console are ones that are not very important to me. The torque gauge is pretty ridiculous and seems a like it should go a little higher, but the speedometer only went to 120mph so I doubt this is what the be all and end all performance interior would look like.

I really do not like the pods that house the speedometer and tach though. Guess we have to give a nod to all the nostalgic people.

I will say this after reading some of the replies in this thread and others that are similar...


Some of you are simply looking for things to complain about. It shows clearly.
Some of you should indeed be very happy you are buying something else. Also don't forget to go to the Ford F-150 sites and proudly proclaim that you won't be buying one of those, either. That is assuming you really won't be. If you are, that is probably a good site to stay at.
Some of you clearly feel that you will immediately lose control of the vehicle the instant you look down at the console gauges. I have a hard time believing that there are people on this site who are that bad at driving a car. Make sure you don't take your eyes of the road to try to change the radio station or you will kill yourself and several minivans full of families. ;)
Some of you really need to be aware that other people have opinions that are not exactly the same as your own and in which case, doesn't give you the go ahead to criticize them for it. Everyone's opinions end exactly where someone else's begins. This goes for the "like it" and "don't like it" groups.
Some of you don't like parts of it, or all of it. That is to be expected. Repeating it in every thread is not only useless, it is also incredibly boring. You don't have to be a broken record because it impresses no one. If you want to do nothing but bash the car every chance you get, you might find that you will also be butting heads. Don't forget the purpose and intent of this site's existence.
Some of you want to bicker back and forth in a point-to-point ignorance competition. You learned how to use a message board, now learn to use private messages or e-mails and stop embarrassing yourselves.


If you feel you are part of the above, let's all reel it in a bit, grab another handful of reality and be a touch more respectful so we can all get along a bit better. If not, sorry to waste your time with this post.

I'd also like to suggest that we wait and see what the final product is before getting all wound up.

Maybe... for a select few. I'm not going to let it faze me. I'm still stoked about this car... I will be able to DRIVE ONE OF THESE HOME in just about a year from now!

your not the only one me too:D

That's good advice Jason. I will do my best to follow it.

Like I've said before.. IT'S NOT DONE YET.

Things can change a LOT in a short time. Who's to say that they're not working on an update as we discuss this? Let's see how it will look when we see that Magnificent BEAST in the Showroom!!! :bow: :D

Deblarrrr speaks the truF... I think this thread needed that..

I still hope they drop the torque gauge in favor of water temp. Hell I'd take a vacuum gauge....put one of those in my 99. Believe it or not, I found it rather usefull. :D

http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/cobra/images/guages.jpg

I still hope they drop the torque gauge in favor of water temp.

It already has a coolant temp, right below the speedo. It's hard to see, but it's there...

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/thumb800x800_2221526424_9e0604b3ac_o.jpg

Bah. A REAL coolant temp gauge, please. You know, the kind with numbers that read actual temps. :D

Basically, the entire point of gauges is to be familiar with normal behavior so you can notice abnormal behavior before it leads to a catastrophic or even just inconvenient failure.


That's exactly it. By monitoring your gauges, you get to understand what is normal for your car. I monitor my gauges continuously. I've saved myself a couple of engines, because I keep an eye on water temp and oil pressure gauges. I've saved myself acouple of long walks home by keeping an eye on the voltmeter. Basically, I think proper gauges in proper positions are REALLY important.

JMHO.

Bah. A REAL coolant temp gauge, please. You know, the kind with numbers that read actual temps. :D

Now THAT one I hear... I'm an owner of a 'Lying' Temp gage in my 2000... It doesn't bother me too much.. If I REALLY wanted to know the real temp, I'd install one of those all in one gages..

Mustangs (SN95s) had a pseudo-real temp gauge. It was graduated with numbers....problem is...it read the exact same thing between ~180F and ~230F. On purpose. Sucked. Oil pressure had a similar setup, hence the aftermarket units I installed.

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

Sunglasses holder?

:D

Wow......just wow.....cabin fever has got to a bunch of you..well, me too.....BUT, let's ALL please remember Scott's rants about the lack of decorum on the web these days and let's talk as if we're all sitting around the table and debating like adults. We'd all be friends in the real world, so why not here?

That being said !@#$%^&* you all!!........................................(just kiddin') ;) :D

I'm personally on the fence as far as the interior goes......one one hand, I love the interior in my '69, console guages and all......but that being said, the pictures leaving me thinking, "been there, done that".....but I do understand the want and need to make the Camaro interior as "Camaro" as the exterior.

Personally, I strongly favor "function" over "style"...I want to keep accurate tabs on all vital functions......not over the top styling with hard to read, inaccurate, poorly calibrated guages. I've had cars with and without HUD....and while it's a nice addition, I still want to look at a guage....one that's in the right location and is quickly and easily read.

I'd venture to guess that all of us on this enthusiast's site are gadget freaks and want as many guages, knobs, etc....to use and 'play' with as possible. We want HUD, NAV (well, not me so much), Big @$$ stereos', memory seats, dual climate HVAC, etc......

While some here complain about the "retro" exterior (not, me I think it's very 21st century)...and now are even more upset about a "retro" interior......but like I said, I consider the exterior, while certianly "heritage inspired", Tom Peters and crew have injected it with a strong dose of Cadillac's Arts and Science"....which I'm in love with.

What I had 'hoped' to see in the interior, was something along those same lines, very modern, very functionl, but still invoking the Camaro DNA (I know some of you hate that moniker, but you know what I mean).

What I don't like about what I've seen (even though I know it ain't finished, blah, blah, blah...) are the main dash 'pods' with what appear to be black faced (hard to read) guages set deeeep into the pods...with some sort of halo lighting (making them even harder to read)...that's kinda corny....certianly doesn't add function over style in my book.

I also don't like the buldging center area with the huge air vents (with offset adjusters no less?!?)...and the seemingly lack of techo gadgetry....IOW, it's too simple, (if that makes any sense).

I'm not a huge fan of the console guages, even though I certianly am used to them...I'd prefer them in my straight ahead line of sight.

The large flat dash area also seems to ignore the passenger all together.....no cozy feeling in the "Oh Sh*t" seat...not even an "Oh Sh*t" handle to grab hold of.

The steering wheel looks clumbsy and thick.....I'd prefer something more Corvette-ish / race inspired. Thick, leather wrapped rim a must.

IF the glossy, painted door and dash band are to be body color, then that's OK by me.

I trust that the ergonomics are to be world class though....don't screw that up in a car like this!

The seats need to be at least as good as the Corvette's...don't want or need memory functions, but good adjustments and a seating position that doesn't feel like I'm driving a Buick or sitting at a table are also a must. Materials need to be durable to say the least. Anything more than that is for the aftemarket....

So there.....my $0.02 worth....worth only what you paid for it ;)

...Given there is a gap between the tach and speedo anyway, exactly wtf was the point of not putting guages there? And if there is to be a DIC there and it's capable of echoing guages information, again, wtf is the point of the console guages?

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

It should be where the console guages are! If it's a DIC that echos the information on the console guages, then what is the point of the console guages. If it echos information less useful than the console guages (like gas milage), then it's even weaker.

Since there's no obvious odometer in the speedomter/tach, that will probably live in teh DIC, which is pretty common. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get door ajar indicators like the old GPs had. That is sure some swell information to have front and center and matters more to me than my oil pressure....

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

That's where the gauges go if you don't opt for the console gauges. ;)

Still hate it.

Still has a wierd dash, still has too many different shapes and styles.

I'd venture to guess that all of us on this enthusiast's site are gadget freaks and want as many guages, knobs, etc....to use and 'play' with as possible. We want HUD, NAV (well, not me so much), Big @$$ stereos', memory seats, dual climate HVAC, etc......


Bite your tongue! Especially the "big" stereo, memory this and that, dual climate whatever, NAV. Barf!

Make em optional, please. :cool:

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

I am guessing... DIC???? :)

I wish people wouldn't make fun of such folk. I realize the SSR wasn't a greatly popular success for GM. But I recall vividly when they first came out, seeing a proud new owner of one in a local restaurant parking lot. It was clear the owner was ecstatic about his vehicle. His wife was taking pix of him and his buddies in front of it... they fiddled with the vehicle, and he and his crew stood around chatting about it, and he was clearly very excited to own it. Since when is that something to put down?


I think some of you would be surprised to see just HOW passionate our SSR enthusiasts are...........

I've been to some of their shows -- and I'm blown away.

i didnt like the original concepts interior much, but the same interior looked a TON better in the convertible.. i think color makes a huge difference on this interior design, and the color we have seen in the spy shots is not flattering.

I dont love or hate the guage pod, i dont love or hate the console guages.. i dont see the point of a torque guage, but it wouldnt bother me if there was one.. basically this interior has grown on me from the point where i initially didnt like it, and now i dont mind it.. i would prefer something else, but what we see isnt so bad as to make me hate it

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

Reminds me of the gauge cluster on my wife's GXP. In between the Speedo and tach there is a dark well that contains all the dummy lights. Seatbelt, turn indicators, check engine etc...

We'll see. I still intend on checking it out though. Who knows if the 5th gen will last long enough for them to release a Z/28. What with CAFE, death of Zeta, turmoil with the CAW in Oshawa and all.

I've been really thinking about a Z06. It's really more money than I want to spend, but what the heck, for the cost of the two 5th gens I was considering buying....there you go. That, or an LSx 3rd gen conversion.....

I want to get my hands on the person who took these pictures.

Firing isn't enough.

I will say after monitoring about a dozen sites that most people are liking this interior. Not all. But more than the first leak. And I suspect that 90%+ of our enthusiasts will like this interior 6 months after the car is on the road. For those who are not enthusiasts? I suspect they'd shake their heads in disbelief if they saw some of the stuff on this thread.

I go back to the first leak -- the silver clown-suited coupe in December of 2005..........where everyone went hysterical that the car was devil's spawn.

Funny thing happened on January 9, 2006..........people went nutz over the real thing -- I thought people would learn from this.

So -- the moral of the story?

Go ahead and get it out of your system. Rave all you want on this thread...........

.......... I submit to you that most will love the car.

And Charlie?

This is only the 5th time I've said this to a prospective customer in 35 years:

Please -- I'm begging you: DO NOT BUY A NEW CAMARO.

I'm sorry -- but you are not a Camaro Enthusiast based on anything I've ever seen - and I'm not the only one that feels that way.-- protest as much as you wish -- but your posts over the past several years tell me that you have lots to say -- but when anyone disagrees with you -- they're wrong.....including the very people who listen to customers.

Physician: Heal thyself! (from a myopic view of the world.....)

Sorry -- but I've put up with enough insults over the past 10 years.

To the rest of you -- my apologies....I'm the one that says "we need to be friends" -- and so I'm sorry you had to witness this.

To the rest of you -- my apologies....I'm the one that says "we need to be friends" -- and so I'm sorry you had to witness this.
No apologies necessary. We're the ones who should be apologizing. GM's going WAY out on a limb for this car. It flys in the face of current 'political correctness'. It's wild, untamed, intimidating and brutally powerful. And it will be a tremendous gift to us fans. Thank You Chevrolet! :usa:

:lol: nice very nice

I'm liking it, at first I hated it, the whole damn car, heck I even made a thread asking Scott to go to unemployment... :lol:, but a couple of years later, mmmm even the wife approves of it. I'm ready to buy, ready...

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

Another torque gauge?



















;)
Just kidding!
I also feel this gauge is a bit gimmicky, but I'm still planning to buy as of right now. I'll reserve my final judgment on the interior when I finally sit in a production car.

On another note the Bumblebee car got a great reception this weekend at the Houston show. I was up there for about 3 hours and there was constantly a big crowd around the car with people salivating over it.
http://photos-515.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v191/176/69/8307515/n8307515_44593534_3968.jpg

:shock: Wow.... The Father Lays down the law... I back you 110%. Talk about an a$$ chewing.
That was needed. I don't think the Admin even has enough pull to portray a powerful message such as that..

No Pun Jason/Chris/Scott.. I'm serious, and most of you here know me well enough.

No apologies necessary. We're the ones who should be apologizing. GM's going WAY out on a limb for this car. It flys in the face of current 'political correctness'. It's wild, untamed, intimidating and brutally powerful. And it will be a tremendous gift to us fans. Thank You Chevrolet! :usa:

Yeah.. I just agree.

I can't express what I feel here.. Some people may take it personally. I've been on A-Hole mode since I got up this morning.

.......... *back spaced*............... The negativity lately has been bad..

I wonder what the big dark area between the speedo/tach pods is for?

I'm thinking for 'idiot lights', Air bag, ABS, Door ajar, Lights, highbrights, etc..

Hi Scott, I thought that this would be an appropriate time to make my first post on here. I appreciate your dedication (maybe devotion is a more appropriate word) to Camaro. Let me quickly introduce myself. My name is Brandon, and I am an F-Body convert. Back in my early teenage years, I was naive and I wanted a sport compact or something along those lines, but when I got my first glimpse of a Camaro, I was hooked. Just before I turned 16 I purchased a beautiful 1994, 3.4l Camaro. It had a 5-speed and Flowmaster exhaust. I fell in love and I fell hard. I'm now 21 and I've added an SLP Loudmouth cat-back exhaust. Point is, there is nothing like firing up my Camaro and going for a drive...and I mean NOTHING.

Scott, what I wanted to say is something that I know you see hundreds, maybe even thousands, of times each and every day. I love the new Camaro. I don't think that I could ask for anything better. I've been waiting since August of 2002 for the Camaro to come back and I'm extremely excited. I've had one car and that's a Camaro and my next car will be a Camaro. If I can't afford the new pricing, I'll find a newer, used Camaro until I can afford the new Camaro.

I'm not really sure why a lot of people see these spy shots and think that it's EXACTLY what is going to show up on their local dealership's lot. I'm not the biggest fan of the way the speedo and the tach is set up, but that is not going to stop me from buying a new Camaro (black/black, 6-speed, V8) because I'm a Camaro man, through and through. I know that things are not finalized and I'm not going to beg and plead with you to change the gauges, or anything else for that matter, I'm just going to trust the Camaro team.

Scott, I just want to thank you for being as passionate as you are about the Camaro. Jason/Chris, thank you for keeping this site a clean site. I've been, what you guys call, lurking for about 5 years, daily, and I enjoy reading what most people on this site have to say. Sorry for such a long post, but I thought it was time to say something. Scott, Jason, Chris, and my greater Camaro family...thanks for listening!

- Brandon

Hi Scott, I thought that this would be an appropriate time to make my first post on here. I appreciate your dedication (maybe devotion is a more appropriate word) to Camaro. Let me quickly introduce myself. My name is Brandon, and I am an F-Body convert. Back in my early teenage years, I was naive and I wanted a sport compact or something along those lines, but when I got my first glimpse of a Camaro, I was hooked. Just before I turned 16 I purchased a beautiful 1994, 3.4l Camaro. It had a 5-speed and Flowmaster exhaust. I fell in love and I fell hard. I'm now 21 and I've added an SLP Loudmouth cat-back exhaust. Point is, there is nothing like firing up my Camaro and going for a drive...and I mean NOTHING.

Scott, what I wanted to say is something that I know you see hundreds, maybe even thousands, of times each and every day. I love the new Camaro. I don't think that I could ask for anything better. I've been waiting since August of 2002 for the Camaro to come back and I'm extremely excited. I've had one car and that's a Camaro and my next car will be a Camaro. If I can't afford the new pricing, I'll find a newer, used Camaro until I can afford the new Camaro.

I'm not really sure why a lot of people see these spy shots and think that it's EXACTLY what is going to show up on their local dealership's lot. I'm not the biggest fan of the way the speedo and the tach is set up, but that is not going to stop me from buying a new Camaro (black/black, 6-speed, V8) because I'm a Camaro man, through and through. I know that things are not finalized and I'm not going to beg and plead with you to change the gauges, or anything else for that matter, I'm just going to trust the Camaro team.

Scott, I just want to thank you for being as passionate as you are about the Camaro. Jason/Chris, thank you for keeping this site a clean site. I've been, what you guys call, lurking for about 5 years, daily, and I enjoy reading what most people on this site have to say. Sorry for such a long post, but I thought it was time to say something. Scott, Jason, Chris, and my greater Camaro family...thanks for listening!

- Brandon

That is so cool! Welcome aboard Brandon :cool:

And Charlie?

This is only the 5th time I've said this to a prospective customer in 35 years:

Please -- I'm begging you: DO NOT BUY A NEW CAMARO.

I'm sorry -- but you are not a Camaro Enthusiast based on anything I've ever seen - and I'm not the only one that feels that way.-- protest as much as you wish -- but your posts over the past several years tell me that you have lots to say -- but when anyone disagrees with you -- they're wrong.....including the very people who listen to customers.

Physician: Heal thyself! (from a myopic view of the world.....)

Sorry -- but I've put up with enough insults over the past 10 years.

To the rest of you -- my apologies....I'm the one that says "we need to be friends" -- and so I'm sorry you had to witness this.


Scott,

Not true. Not fair. And I know you don't mean that.

No sense arguing about it, beyond that.

i like it! i decided i am going to put off buying a 4th gen and wait till this one comes out, ill be about 19 by than and will have decent funding

on another note: Scott are you going to be at the Chicago Auto Show??!

the interior is comming along nicely, great Job GM, the exterior is perfect, and after seeing these new leaked pics, awesome. Cant wait to order mine :D

Scott,

Not true. Not fair. And I know you don't mean that.


I don't say things I don't mean.

And I have thought about this long and hard.

See -- here's the thing -- I've told the following story many times over:


........we were working on the 'stuff' for the 2000 Camaro -- you'll recall among the improvements were interior colors and trims/fabrics and wheels.

We had 5 interior fabrics presented to the team by GM Design Interior group.......

I really liked one of them - the other 4 I didn't at all. One I found especially 'non-Camaro' --

We put them before well over 1,000 Camaro/Firebird/Mustang owners -- and guess what? The one I hated the most came in at an 80% acceptance rate. (that's HUGE)

Now -- I think most people on this site would say I'm a Camaro Enthusiast.

The point is that I had to take my personal opinion -- and put it aside -- because Camaro/Firebird people told me what they liked.

I've tried to get this point across in a number of ways -- both to you and others.

It hasn't been understood -- OR -- you have chosen to ignore it.

Meanwhile, I've witnessed the bashing of my opinions, the bashing of Cheryl and of her opinions, - and the bashing of others within GM that, in my humble opinion -- do not deserve it. On top of that -- the bashing of other well-meaning enthusiasts............

So -- I listened and listened - and now I'm tired of the bashing. So I'm making my thoughts known.

By any measure - -this car has been embraced by millions. No -- not everyone - but I gotta tell you:

1,000,000 happy Camaro Enthusiasts > unhappy you.

I do not expect you to buy the new car -- and that's saying a lot -- because as I said in the earlier post -- I have only had to ask a handful of people over the past 35 years NOT to buy one of our cars.

Sorry -- but I hope you'll really read this and think about it long and hard.

i like it! i decided i am going to put off buying a 4th gen and wait till this one comes out, ill be about 19 by than and will have decent funding

on another note: Scott are you going to be at the Chicago Auto Show??!


Glad you like it!

Yes -- I'll be there -- albeit briefly!

I will post if I'm able to get together with Camaro/Firebird enthusiasts --

Meanwhile, I've witnessed bashing of my opinions, the bashing of Cheryl - and the bashing of others within GM that, in my humble opinion -- do not deserve it.

So -- I listened and listened - and now I'm tired of the bashing. So I'm making my thoughts known.

I do not expect you to buy tne new car -- and that's saying a lot -- because as I said in the earlier post -- I have only had to ask a handful of people over the past 35 years NOT to buy one of our cars.

Sorry -- but I hope you'll really read this and think about it long and hard.
I've NEVER bashed you. In fact, I tell everyone who might listen, how much passion you have for the Camaro. That's the truth. If we have a difference of opinion, that's a different story. And there should be room for that.

As far as Cheryl, I wish her well and great success. That also is the truth. But I also have to be honest about my experiences with her, when someone calls me out on them - namely you in a public forum.

But the thing that really hurts is, claiming I'm not a Camaro enthusiast. That could not be more false. And I know, YOU KNOW THAT. My passion runs deep for this car, that's why I want it to be just right.

I've got news for you Scott, whether I buy this car or not buy, it won't be because you told me to.

Oh and BTW, I've spent years thinking long and hard on this.

the interior is comming along nicely, great Job GM, the exterior is perfect, and after seeing these new leaked pics, awesome. Cant wait to order mine :D

With you 100%, M85! And welcome aboard! I'm chomping at the bit too :bow:

Glad you like it!

Yes -- I'll be there -- albeit briefly!

I will post if I'm able to get together with Camaro/Firebird enthusiasts --

will you be there on monday the 11th of february? im going to be on a field trip there with my auto class and me and my friends are hitting the chevy display before everything, were going to be in there like an hour before it opens i believe, but i may be wrong

Glad you like it!

Yes -- I'll be there -- albeit briefly!

I will post if I'm able to get together with Camaro/Firebird enthusiasts --

Hey Scott,

Did I read the CAS exhibit list correctly? I did not see a Camaro listed. Big bummer, I missed the 'Vert last year and was hoping to check it out in person.

Re:The interior. Not sold on it yet man. The Gauge pods still strike me as, well, somewhat odd. I do agree that I need to see a production interior shot before I can make up my mind.

Only one other consideration I would like to ask, since this thread seems to have your attention. IF the hi-po Camaro (I refuse to call it a
Z28 until I HAVE TO!:eek:) is going to have a blown mill, please, please, please, have them use heavy duty (read able to withstand increased boost) internals. I would hate to have a supercharged engine and not be able to tweek it to go Snake huntng. Plus, you wouldn't want the old man's Z06 to be able to beat a hi po Camaro wold you? :D

Hey Scott,

Did I read the CAS exhibit list correctly? I did not see a Camaro listed. Big bummer, I missed the 'Vert last year and was hoping to check it out in person.

Re:The interior. Not sold on it yet man. The Gauge pods still strike me as, well, somewhat odd. I do agree that I need to see a production interior shot before I can make up my mind.

Only one other consideration I would like to ask, since this thread seems to have your attention. IF the hi-po Camaro (I refuse to call it a
Z28 until I HAVE TO!:eek:) is going to have a blown mill, please, please, please, have them use heavy duty (read able to withstand increased boost) internals. I would hate to have a supercharged engine and not be able to tweek it to go Snake huntng. Plus, you wouldn't want the old man's Z06 to be able to beat a hi po Camaro wold you? :D

why wouldnt the chicago auto show have the camaro?! thats the only reason im even going lol they had the silver one two years ago, and the vert last year... i hope they have atleast one of them there, bumble bee would be badass

What!! OMG!! I hear that they are putting canadian air into our new Camaro tires, and the interior will be INSIDE the car!! That's the icing that broke the camel's back........I will not buy this car!! LOL!!


That is how silly this thread has sounded lately......I have never been a so called "Camaro Enthusiast", Never having owned 1, but still thought they were cool cars.....I have been a GTO fan since the early eighties, having owned a '71 and '65 respectively (modern GTO's don't move me, but still nice cars) As far as the negative reaction to the interior design.....Yes, i agree that the Torque Gauge is gimmiky, but that won't stop me from buying one..... I think if you want to find the proverbial fly in the soup, you will find it.......I have bought my share of cars in my day and none of them were perfect.....When i first saw the 5th gen. it left an impression on me, all you car guys know what i'm talkin' about....that feeling of Oh MY GOD, I have to have that! almost like a little school kid getting his first HOT WHEELS! Anyway, that's what it felt like with the Camaro...I'm gettin' a 2010 SS 'Vert manual.......but to each his own.......


Thanks Scott!!

I REALLY LIKE the new interior shots. Especially love the console gauges (being a former '69 owner).

Did anyone bring up the question as to where the computer readouts will be?

I am sure it will be between the two round main instrument console gauges. (where it should be) --- IF -- yes, IF there will be no HUD.

How's about both!?!?! :cool:

Scott- you guys are listening, adapting, and refining!!!! CHEERS!!!! :cool:

Looks very nice to me!!!!


Where do I sign up!?!?!?!? :p

Most Sincere Respect and Regards ---

-Jim

EDIT: PS, can we get some fake wood-trim around the shifter on the console!? LOFL

WOW. I leave you guys alone for one weekend and.....

sheesh..

settle down there...


slow your roll turbo!! sheesh!

everyone needs to step back and rethink why we're all here to begin with. Love of the car.. Love of the Culture that is brought by the love of the car. Love of the people that love the culture of the car.

If i had kids, i'd probably fence them just to buy a new camaro.. Some may or may not feel that way.. so be it. respect each other and the masses here, and take it to PM's. sheesh.


*faith* read about it, learn it, have it.

'nuff said.

*faith* read about it, learn it, have it.

'nuff said.

Have It!!! ;)

For everyone freaking out over the dash, here is a pic of the convertible concept's gauges, and the spy shots for comparissons.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/a16.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/predash.jpg
notice the space between the guages?? I think there will be some redundancy there, so the console gauges will probably be duplicated in that black area.

And if you still think it's hideously ugly, let me show you THIS:



http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/Hillary.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D

I'm glad Scott came out to say what needed to be said.

To think that eyeballs were popping out of sockets when the first (leaked) images of the Camaro appeared on various websites. Now I'm reading some incredible comments from those crossing Camaro off their shopping list based on the assumption that a 'useless' torque gauge will be standard on the production model. How silly does that sound people? C'mon get a grip. Would you prefer no Camaro at all?

I've waited so long for this car to become reality. It's disappointing that some have already discounted the car well before it hits production, when no real facts are yet known. I've never read so many critiques on so many minor details. Perhaps Camaro was never on these people's shopping list from the outset.

Yeah, I don't get it. What's the big deal with a torque gauge?? SO FREAKING WHAT? My cars have all had cigarette lighters and I never used those either. Can't beleive some simpletons won't buy the Camaro because of one guage. I actually LIKE the torque gauge. It's not like it's right in front of your face. Geesh, some people.

<snip>



EDIT: removed entire post due to being negative and off-topic. apologies to all involved.

now back to your regularly scheduled programming. sorry for the side-track.

You, Sir -- do NOT "Get it."

It's a shame.

Those that "Don't" --- "Won't"

Keep drinking your "CoolAid."

And, report back to us AFTER the rest of us have "Gotten It."

:confused::cry:

I Weep for the "So-Called" America we protect.

Men in Green have DIED for your "misinformed" 'opinions.'

I hope YOU are proud of your mis-guided colloquialisms.

<SIGH>

Semper Fi!!!

WTF?? You mind "dumbing that down" for me? What don't I get?

i dont get it either, are you trying to say hes crazy for thinking somthing on the kinda finished car is the same as the concept when it probably is the same?

You, Sir -- do NOT "Get it."

It's a shame.

Those that "Don't" --- "Won't"

Keep drinking your "CoolAid."

And, report back to us AFTER the rest of us have "Gotten It."

:confused::cry:

I Weep for the "So-Called" America we protect.

Men in Green have DIED for your "misinformed" 'opinions.'

I hope YOU are proud of your mis-guided colloquialisms.

<SIGH>

Semper Fi!!!

Okay, I just went back page and read one of your posts regarding the interior. What you "don't get" is WE AGREE. The whole point of my post was to shut up the people bitching about the interior, and how similar it looks to the concept. And as far as "Men in Green Dying" for my opinions???? Dude, NOBODY is more patiotic than me. I'm as right wing conservative as they come. I support our troops, I love this country, and would glady attend the execution of anyone who is a traitor to this country. (I'm looking at YOU Jane Fonda). So maybe you don't get my post, or maybe you're just a whack job. Who knows?
As you were.

Nobody knows when those pics were taken. Scott did say that evey car from now on would be without cammo right. Those pics could be really old.
Someone might of taken them a long time ago, and in fear of losing their job decided not to release them. Unitll now that is that every car will be seen for everyone to see.

Uh...guys...parts of this thread should not be here and need to go to PM or e-mail.

You know what i think is funny ?

By reading the unsatisfied observers opinions, one could swear that these guys NEVER - EVER bought a car without having a completely flawless, perfect, incredible, 100% excellent dash to look to...

I mean come on, when you are going to actually drive the car, you'll be able to see the speed you are going, and the engine's RPM at the same time - just like in every other car you've ever driven for the past 100 years (ok maybe not the rpm).

What will be really important is how you guys feel when driving the car, even if you think you don't like 3 or 4 bumps in the dash, even if you think the torque gauge is gimmick (it's probably just there to fill in the real boost gauge of the top dog, instead og blanking it), even if you think the inetrior is pure VOMIT (hahaha) you'll know how you like it when you drive the car...

And you know what ? Even the most perfect dash and interior in the world won't be enough if you don't like the feel of the car. Even if everything is placed just right for you and you have every gauge you like, you won't be buying the car if you don't feel right in it...

When you are driving it.

You know what i think is funny ?

By reading the unsatisfied observers opinions, one could swear that these guys NEVER - EVER bought a car without having a completely flawless, perfect, incredible, 100% excellent dash to look to...

I mean come on, when you are going to actually drive the car, you'll be able to see the speed you are going, and the engine's RPM at the same time - just like in every other car you've ever driven for the past 100 years (ok maybe not the rpm).

What will be really important is how you guys feel when driving the car, even if you think you don't like 3 or 4 bumps in the dash, even if you think the torque gauge is gimmick (it's probably just there to fill in the real boost gauge of the top dog, instead og blanking it), even if you think the inetrior is pure VOMIT (hahaha) you'll know how you like it when you drive the car...

And you know what ? Even the most perfect dash and interior in the world won't be enough if you don't like the feel of the car. Even if everything is placed just right for you and you have every gauge you like, you won't be buying the car if you don't feel right in it...

When you are driving it.

Good Point...

From the pics Ive seen so far I find nothing wrong with the interior.
Im not one to make a big deal about interiors, I think they are layed out in the 4th gens just fine. One car that Ive driven that I was impressed by the gauge layout is the 350Z, Nissans interiors are pretty bland and all look the same in every model. But when I sat in the car, it seemed like every gauge, the wheel and shifter was right were it should be. However the rest of the car does absolutely nothing for me.

quite honestly, the thing I have a problem with is the shape of the dash. It looks difficult to put in a double-din aftermarket monitor. Other than that, as long as the exterior looks like it does in the previous pics, I am good to go.

Lets keep in mind that we do not know how old these pics are? They are spy shots... of a camo'd car. With that in mind, we all have read about the word from up high to remove the camo and show the car for what it is. So, for all we know these are just another early layout of the interior as they continue to refine and develop different ideas.

Instead of bickering, has anyone else bothered to read this fellas post? I was thinking this the entire time I was reading through the pages and pages of BS until I hit this on page 9 or so. The camaro is "supposed" to be naked from now on. These pics are probably "old."

Note to camera phone owners -- please stand perfectly still when taking shots. Trust us, it helps.

Yup, the pics suck.

I mean, my God, I opened the thread hoping to read constructive criticism on the "new" interior shots and instead it's a pissing match over a torque gauge :lol: ...ever sat in a food court at the mall surrounded by high school girls... :eek: :lol:

Ok, fun time over. It's the 'net and I want to post my comments :D

First off... WOOOOOOOOOO FRICKIN' HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S A MANUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE the shifter. It looks like there won't be anything "stupid" in the way of my hand as I slam through the gears! Thanks GM for now putting a dang cupholder there!!! (In front of the shifter)

I think the steering wheel looks cool. :shrug:
There should be plenty of room for optional steering wheel controls (I don't know what else to call them?) but you know what I mean? Also, I like airbags, that's why it's so "big" ;)

The console gauges.... look good! And based on the angle of the pic, should be very readable. (Your head should be much higher than the steering wheel, so you should be able to see them over the shifter).

I was hoping the key would be on the dash (like the first gens) but looking at the dash there doesn't appear to be anywhere else for it to go but the column.

I like the radio controls (looks like preset buttons?) I, however, am not really liking the playstation controller inspired hvac (and radio?) controls. However, I bought a ps3 over xbox because of how "simple" the playstation controllers are to use if you catch my drift there. They do stand out and look odd, but I hope they function as simple as they look.

The radio screen is big... probably some cool info/stuff will be there :thumb:

Uh oh, the gauges :p I like 'em :eek: However, I am disappointed GM swapped them on me. Tach was on the left and speedo was on the right on the concept (which is what I'm used to seeing in *most* vehicles) and I would have preferred they stayed that way.

Overall, I love it.

If anyone has anything "constructive" to say, I'll gladly converse, otherwise :p on you !

I'm just disapponted that whoever took these spy shots didn't pop the hood so we could see what they put under there.;) (he or she appears to have plenty of time)

Other than that, I'm loving EVERYTHING about this car. Can't wait to get one.

he or she appears to have plenty of time

Don't you think the pictures would have been in better focus if he/she had not been in a hurry? ;)

For everyone freaking out over the dash, here is a pic of the convertible concept's gauges, and the spy shots for comparissons.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/a16.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/predash.jpg
notice the space between the guages?? I think there will be some redundancy there, so the console gauges will probably be duplicated in that black area.

And if you still think it's hideously ugly, let me show you THIS:



http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/Hillary.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D

I am more comfortable with the pre-pro speedo/tac font/style/whatevah. It's just easier on my eyes than the concept. The overview side-shot really makes me feel good about this interior, especially when compared to my '97 interior.

Up until recently, I never saw a GM interior that I gave a second glance.

I like the radio controls (looks like preset buttons?) I, however, am not really liking the playstation controller inspired hvac (and radio?) controls. However, I bought a ps3 over xbox because of how "simple" the playstation controllers are to use if you catch my drift there. They do stand out and look odd, but I hope they function as simple as they look.



Xbox 360 controllers are more ergonomic and natural fitting than PS3/2/1 controllers :yes:

Xbox 360 controllers are more ergonomic and natural fitting than PS3/2/1 controllers :yes:

To you, yes, to me, no :D

*I knew someone would comment about that ;)

Don't you think the pictures would have been in better focus if he/she had not been in a hurry? ;)

Not at all, some people just can't take a picture if their life depended on it. (my wife for instance. ;))

Not at all, some people just can't take a picture if their life depended on it. (my wife for instance. ;))

Good point. :)

I wish people wouldn't make fun of such folk. I realize the SSR wasn't a greatly popular success for GM. But I recall vividly when they first came out, seeing a proud new owner of one in a local restaurant parking lot. It was clear the owner was ecstatic about his vehicle. His wife was taking pix of him and his buddies in front of it... they fiddled with the vehicle, and he and his crew stood around chatting about it, and he was clearly very excited to own it. Since when is that something to put down?

I think some of you would be surprised to see just HOW passionate our SSR enthusiasts are...........

I've been to some of their shows -- and I'm blown away.

I test drove a SSR at Autoshow in Motion. I have to tell you, if it were not for the sticker price, I would had one in my driveway that weekend. :D

And Charlie?

This is only the 5th time I've said this to a prospective customer in 35 years:

Please -- I'm begging you: DO NOT BUY A NEW CAMARO.

I'm sorry -- but you are not a Camaro Enthusiast based on anything I've ever seen - and I'm not the only one that feels that way.-- protest as much as you wish -- but your posts over the past several years tell me that you have lots to say -- but when anyone disagrees with you -- they're wrong.....including the very people who listen to customers.

:bow:

250 posts and I am kind of surprised that so many are 'sweating the small stuff'. I know these are leaked pictures but the first things I noticed were:

1. Armrest and console are the same height - good!
2. Short throw shifter - good!
3. Nice thick and grippy steering wheel - really good!
4. I have no doubt the seats will be good since I own a few 4th gens - good!
5. Ventilation is located in a good spot for rapid cooling/heating of cabin - good!

I guess I am more concerned with the driving experience the interior helps create than what gauges are in it. I must say, compared to the orange 'vert, I was pleasantly surprised.