Is This Bad News for the Camaro??

http://www.wheels.ca/article/167063

Anyone else ever seen the movie Canadian Bacon... I'm all for it if they even hint the camaro will be more than a day off schedule :D

*Just bein' funny folks* :D

Pardon my biases against unions but Buzz Hargrove needs to get his head out of his... -cough- He's nothing but a muckraker, just like every union leader I've EVER met, more interested in his own paycheque than the individual worker... (No offense if anyone falls into this gross generalization...) I have no doubt that GM has plans for other vehicles at the plant, since it IS A FLEX PLANT; there'd have been no point in making it that if there were no intentions to utilize that ability.

As for Canadian Bacon... Don't forget how 'successful' they were at invading my homeland. ;)

Did I miss something???????

"GM, the country's biggest automaker, plans to start full production of the Camaro next February......."

I thought production was to begin 4th quarter of 2008????

Given the exchange rate of the US vs CAN $$$, is it still economically feasible for GM to build cars in Canada?

Emphasis on the word "full". ;)

As for Canadian Bacon... Don't forget how 'successful' they were at invading my homeland. ;)

It's the thought that counts :lol:

Given the exchange rate of the US vs CAN $$$, is it still economically feasible for GM to build cars in Canada?

nope

They are worried about their jobs so they threaten to walk off them completely? If they do that i hope GM pulls out of there completely, then they can really be at a loss for jobs.

Don't get me started on unions again... Sure would be nice if Fbodfather could chime and and alieve our fears.

The only thing that is going to threaten the Camaro is if people do not buy it. Start saving your money kids.

They are worried about their jobs so they threaten to walk off them completely? If they do that i hope GM pulls out of there completely, then they can really be at a loss for jobs.

+1 :thumb:

This is certainly the other side of the Zeta and CAFE issue. I don't know if GM has an answer to this yet. Back in 2006 when they gave the Camaro the green light and put production of it and probable other Zeta models, Impala, Buick etc. in the Oshawa plant there were no CAFE issues. We've all heard Bob Lutz say the RWD Zeta Impala was on hold and then the Northstar engine replacement was also shelved so CAFE is real. Just as many people on this site have been speculating for some time the lack of announcement of fellow Zeta cars at Oshawa is a bit concerning. Now we see that it's also a issue for the CAW.
A strike is certainly not good for the Camaro and our timeline.

Typical sabre rattling. Goes on with any large company that has a union represented workforce when contracts are up for negotiation. The least of my worries is the CAW President posturing to the press.

I think it's too late in the game for GM to consider moving Camaro, but who knows. GM can't afford to run a plant at low capacity. It'd be Ste Therese all over again. Plans will have to change. It's just too soon for GM to have them solidified yet.

Keep in mind when contracts are up for plants many times GM will not anounce new lines for those plants untill they get an agreement. GM has to have some bargining chips.

This is a common part of nealing with the union. You give us what we want and we give you a line of cars to being work to your plants.

Originally Posted by km9v
Given the exchange rate of the US vs CAN $$$, is it still economically feasible for GM to build cars in Canada?
Yes, b/c of the nationalized healthcare, and lower average wages in Auto mfg.
I'm UAW, not with GM, and hope it resolves quickly, but after st.Therese they're probably more than a little nervous.
CAFE concerns could be causing the delay about other product.
Originally Posted by Rob V:
Pardon my biases against unions but Buzz Hargrove needs to get his head out of his... -cough- He's nothing but a muckraker, just like every union leader I've EVER met, more interested in his own paycheque than the individual worker... You may be right, but big corporations have their share of "Hargroves" too.

theres nothing to worry! :) GM isnt dumb like other companies theyll stop the strike that might happen

theres nothing to worry! :) GM isnt dumb like other companies theyll stop the strike that might happen

Well I applaud your steadfast faith in GM. But this is a bit deeper and more complex than just GM think of the players and issues. GM, CAW, Oshawa, CAFE, Zeta and basic cost issues for mass production. This can go either way but what the CAW wants, more lines at the Oshawa plant, ie more Zeta’s we already know is on hold to some degree. So the answer for this has yet to make an appearance and we are less than 1 yr from production. The Camaro won't sustain a full plant like Oshawa unless it hits 1969 (strike lengthened) sales numbers.

I'll keep the faith as we have come this far but this could be more than a speed bump.

So should GM add a Firebird or GTO to the line to pick up the slack! :eek: :D

Maybe that GMC concept in Chicago will catch fire....

Well, if CAW wants more models for more jobs, why not make the Camaro and add a Firebird to the Line up :D ( I know its never going to happen :()

unions...too stupid to figure out why the situation is the way it is...back in the 80's we would buy new cars and trucks with those little union stickers applied to the windshield that explained how proudly the vehicle was made in the usa..what that really meant was 4 hours replacing stripped interior screws and the like..the good news.i usually found most of the interior screws under a seat..so i always had nice supply...if it was not for trucks..gm, ford or dodge would have been gone 10 years ago...the passenger cars are that bad.and the union wants to strike the very plant that will produce the hottest car chevy has seen in years..dumb dumb dumb..i hope chevy mothballs the plant and moves it across the border

We need to rethink this whole doom and gloom "we're dropping Zeta now" premise in light of this news. GM may posturing in an attempt to paint a picture that they're giving up on Zeta in order to give them some leverage in contract negotiations with the union. The union is appearantly calling them on it and reminding them of a promise for additional models other than Camaro. I think when all is said and done, each side will have to give up a little bit and eventually we may hear some news that GM is adding another model or two to Oshwa in 2009.

We need to rethink this whole doom and gloom "we're dropping Zeta now" premise in light of this news. GM may posturing in an attempt to paint a picture that they're giving up on Zeta in order to give them some leverage in contract negotiations with the union. The union is appearantly calling them on it and reminding them of a promise for additional models other than Camaro. I think when all is said and done, each side will have to give up a little bit and eventually we may hear some news that GM is adding another model or two to Oshwa in 2009.
Good point. I can picture GM taking a certain public stance - "Oh no we can't possibly make a lot of zetas now" - to strengthen their negotiating position(s) with the UAW/CAW. Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by snooter:
...back in the 80's we would buy new cars and trucks with those little union stickers applied to the windshield that explained how proudly the vehicle was made in the usa..what that really meant was 4 hours replacing stripped interior screws and the like..the good news.i usually found most of the interior screws under a seat..so i always had nice supply
Can't swear to it but, from my experience, stripped screws usually come from having to use 20 year old driver tools (no or inferior torque settings)and cheap bits from China, both supplied by the company.
Not to mention they get like 3 minutes to install an entire DASH, less for door panels etc...
I usually bring in my own Stanley or Craftsman or Dewalt bits, makes my job a lot easier...

There are lots of dynamics at play here.

The rise of the Canadian dollar and UAW health care concessions, which makes US assembly lines more attractive.

CAFE.

The cancellation of maybe 250,000 or so Zetas per year at Oshawa.

Lots of things are headed for a collision course.
How this ultimately affects the Camaro - your guess is as good as mine.

I think GM has too much PR invested in the Camaro to kill it, I think they'd walk away from the cash investment pretty easily though.

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