LS6-M22 01-14-2008, 11:25 PM How many are concerned about buying the first year camaro because of first year issues.I was always told to wait a year or two so the bugs can be ironed out.This and it seems that the second year always gets the increased power and heavier duty parts.Any thoughts to this?
SSmoknLT1 01-14-2008, 11:31 PM me! i will wait a year or two before i buy, but thats for a couple of diffrent reasons
Dragoneye 01-14-2008, 11:32 PM I don't think I consider this as 'new' as other first model year cars...I mean, GM's got it down in the performance dept., they've been doing that for years (i.e. Corvette, previous Camaros)...and they've got Zeta down pretty well, with the Commodore, and the VXR8, and soon the G8....
Camaro is definitely going to be brand new, and different from all those other cars listed, but given that GM has experience with all it's pieces; I'm not as worried as I'd be with, say...The Sky/Solstice when they first came out. Plus...it's the new GM, what do we have to worry about? :p
LS6-M22 01-14-2008, 11:35 PM Yeah but with my luck I buy the first year top dog then a year later the top dog gets more power and forged pistions.I do hope the hipo camaro at least gets forged pistons if they are going to use a blower.
Dragoneye 01-14-2008, 11:40 PM They may not even offer the GT-500 fighter in the first year anyways....again, they might...but who really knows?:shrug:
I'd hope that the team be more focused on getting the V6's, and normal V8 out the door well, and problem-free - so that they can focus more later on the monster version.
Shellhead 01-14-2008, 11:40 PM I'm not worried at all! GM has to compete in quality and they know it - first year bugs are something they know very well they cannot with that fight with. The only reason I may decide to wait is possibly for the Z/28 - but I won't know till it's closer. In all likelihood I won't be able to wait because when the car first comes out it'll become irrestitable :) I could always trade up after a few years (or just mod my car).
QATransAm 01-15-2008, 12:09 AM Not worried, cause i wouldn't buy the first year...
However small it may be, theres always something
Ray86IROC 01-15-2008, 12:21 AM There is going to be something cool about saying you've got a new Camaro the first year of it's return. I know I want one. You don't (at least I never have) hear people say how sorry they are to have a 67...
The only thing that would concern me is maybe them pulling a 04-05 GTO were the new engine rolls out the second year. I don't know what their timetables are w/ the LS3 or even what the Camaro is currently slated to get though...
christianjax 01-15-2008, 06:21 AM I've only owned one first year edition, a 93 Z28. And that was one GREAT car. I had 180,000 HARD miles on it when I traded it in on my 99 Trans Am. Had very little problems. (usually broken tranny mounts, and one intake manifold gasket, and of course the window motors) other than that, Great and reliable. I'll be getting the first convertible I can get my hands on. (V-8 in my color of course.)
JasonD 01-15-2008, 07:45 AM I personally don't think that first year bugs are as big of a deal as they used to be. The manufacturing process and quality control is light years ahead of what it used to be. I am not worried a bit.
jcamere94z28 01-15-2008, 10:09 AM Not worried here... but i have to wait for the convertible anyway... so... no 1st year camaro for me.. unless there is a convertible... :)
Silverado C-10 01-15-2008, 10:11 AM Zeta has been on the road in austalia for a couple years now, and while I'm no expert nor does anyone really know what engine the camaro will get, but I think the G8 drivetrain will be in the "base" V-8 camaro, so that will have been on the road for a year...
No worries here. Plus, I'll have 5 years or 100K to get 'em fixed ;)
CLEAN 01-15-2008, 10:32 AM I personally don't think that first year bugs are as big of a deal as they used to be. The manufacturing process and quality control is light years ahead of what it used to be. I am not worried a bit.
I agree w/ that. Our '06 was a pretty heavily re-worked W body in it's first model year, w/ a brand new engine, and it has been perfect. If anything, I would think they would clean up a few things in the first couple of years as opposed to something being "wrong" with it. A couple of examples are the "wart" on the '05 Corvettes was removed for '06, the black rear liscense plate panel on the '03/early '04 CTSs, they painted them body color after that, much nicer looking, and the center console of the new '08 vette corrects a very cheap looking piece from MY 05-07. Things like that.
Liquid Slap 01-15-2008, 10:42 AM I own a first model year Saturn Aura and it's been in and out of the shop because of first year bugs. It gets annoying, but I guess that is what warranties are for.
Fenster 01-15-2008, 11:35 AM I'm not worried about it. That is what a basic and powertrain warranty are for. Only reason I may wait a year is to see what the top dog has power wise and then make a decision. There is something to be said though for having a BRAND NEW first year model. I plan on having my new Camaro for a long time, so I may have to get a first model so it is just that...
Primus 01-15-2008, 12:31 PM The Pontiac Solstice had some "fit and finish" issues initially but I believe they were resolved after the first 10k or so models left the plant.
Gripenfelter 01-15-2008, 01:19 PM Funny thing I found when the LS1s came out...
The 98s were great except for a couple minor electrical gremlins. 99s had weaker oil pumps (if you were modding), and 2002s had overall engine reliability issues with spun bearings on relatively low mileage unabused and well maintained cars. I'm just speaking from my personal experience going by what other F-body owners in my club experienced.
So first year isn't always bad.
On the other hand, I broke everything in my 1993. if it couldn't be broken I found a way. but it was mostly abusive driving/racing.
99SilverSS 01-15-2008, 02:37 PM I'm not too concerned for major problems. But little annoyance issues do pop up even on cars in their 2nd year and beyond. Fit and finish that can lead to squeak and rattle or electrical gemlins are things that I could see being the only problems.
christianjax 01-15-2008, 03:28 PM My Charger Daytona is an 06, fist year. I've only had ONE problem in 20k miles. A leaky tranny O-ring, which was a recall. So I really believe that newer cars don't have the first year Gremlins like the cars of old. However, you can expect minor interior tweaks and minor design changes from year ot year. Swtch gear and stuff like that.
5thgen69camaro 01-15-2008, 03:37 PM Realistically I wont be buying first year unless something unexpected happens.
I figure the first year will be markup due to the rush in demand. I wont be paying over MSRP Im just not. Second year after they tweak the few bugs it has and demand drops a bit I think thats me. As it stands right now I might go used LS3 Camaro but if I can get transfered Id like to have something underwarrenty. Nothing in stone, just thinking aloud of where Id like to be. Things change.
I have 1700 GM bucks and get the sense theres no way GM is going to let me use them all on Camaro. Im worried that they wont let me use any that Ive earned though... Well see.
Silverado C-10 01-15-2008, 03:38 PM Also, (you can see this with the 99-07 classic silverados) as the years went on GM took some neat things/features/options away to save money. Couple things: Took away underhood light and lower door panel carperting (this REALLY helped keep shoe scratches off the door panel) around '02, removed bed trim in '03, I'm sure there was other cost cutting crap...
jg95z28 01-15-2008, 03:40 PM I'm not buying first year, but only because the top dog won't be available. :D
Emher 01-15-2008, 05:03 PM Well it's looking that I'll probably not afford one the first year, might tkae me until like the fourth year actually... Damn I hope I can one new before they redesign it :(
GTOJack 01-15-2008, 05:27 PM I remember when GM came out with the 84 Fiero. They knew they were putting out junk but just kept cranking them out. The old "lets sell them now and recall them later" attitude helped get Toyota, Honda and Nissan where they are today.
JakeRobb 01-16-2008, 08:07 AM I'm not buying first year, but only because the top dog won't be available. :D
I don't think we have anything official from GM on that particular subject. :)
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