Will the new Camaro have a nav system?

Looks like it's going to need one to be taken seriously. Even if it is only an option for premium models, right now built-in nav systems are the big deal in new cars. I didn't see one in any of the Camaro interior pictures. It would be a big mistake to sell this car without one. Anyone heard anything?

Option only, please.

This is a good question, because while I'm not interested in any navigation system, I know many people who are. The problem is GM is so intent on selling their OnStar with turn by turn, they don't want to offer a nav system which would make OnStar a moot feature. I know if I wanted a navigation system, I would want a screen and not OnStar. I think most people would prefer that as well.

Well see how GM handles this, because there are only a few cars they actually offer an LCD satellite based navigation system on (SUVs and Cadillacs) whereas the competiton to their key cars (Malibu, LaCrosse, Lucerne, Cobalt, Aura) offer it and GM doesn't. It's still a big sticking point for consumers, and I believe GM is going to have to start offering navigation on those cars. As well as the Camaro.

Looks like it's going to need one to be taken seriously. Even if it is only an option for premium models, right now built-in nav systems are the big deal in new cars. I didn't see one in any of the Camaro interior pictures. It would be a big mistake to sell this car without one. Anyone heard anything?
I'm not following this premise, that it's going to need one 'to be taken seriously'. We're not talking about a CTS here. It's a value-oriented sporty coupe. Since when is nav a natural part of that? I for one hope it's not even an option. It would seem very out of place on this car IMHO. Besides, I thought I read speculation somewhere that turn-by-turn nav might be built into the car's stereo.

I sure hope it does come as an option. I have one in my Charger and LOVE it. I want it in every car I buy from now on.

This is a good question, because while I'm not interested in any navigation system, I know many people who are.

Same here! I anticipate it being a high-end option. I am undecided on if I will get it if offered.

Please make it an option as I would rather send the money on some other option. I would never and I mean never use the Nav.

Same with On Star as I never use it in my present car.

I would rather see a 40 GN hard drive for the audio system than a Nav unit.

I really don't think nav would be standard.

nav systems should be in every car now a days, they are so damn handy.

nav systems should be in every car now a days, they are so damn handy.

I disagree with the notion that they should be standard in every car. Not everyone wants one and with navigation being available on cell phones, onStar, and in standalone devices I don't think the expense of integrating it into the car is worth it. If I want navigation, I'd rather get a garmin or other standalone - then it goes into any car.

I've posted about this before, but perhaps it wouldn't hurt again. I'd certainly never disagree with their usefulness... but personally, I'd think twice about spending $2K on a factory nav system, when it's been shown that vehicles equipped with the manufacturers' factory nav systems actually depreciate more quickly than vehicles without this feature.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ale-usat_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-navresale-usat_N.htm)
... bit of a lengthy read, but some interesting info there...

... and especially in light of how much the prices of portable units have dropped in the last 8 mos!! They're becoming almost disposable!
Now I'm somewhat biased, because I have 4 vehicles in the stable that are almost all used on a daily basis by family members and I [b]love[b] being able to take my Garmin Nuvi 660 from 1 vehicle to another - and it's a heckuva lot cheaper (and easier to update) than any factory unit I'm aware of!
The thing is an MP3 player, telephone book, finds almost anything from an ATM to a Chinese takeout by touching the screen a couple of time- and the best is - it has bluetooth capability with a speaker that allows me to hear my cell phone ring on the highway with my T's off - and actually talk to the person who's calling without asking them to repeat every sentence!!http://www.5thgen.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif It also accesses the phonebook in my cell!
Oh yeah... and did I mention? ... I don't get lost anymore!http://www.5thgen.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

Best regardSS,

Elie

Maybe they can work a NAV system into a stereo option, like , instead of a c/d changer; there should be room on modern double-din type set ups.

Mustang has it

Please make it an option as I would rather send the money on some other option. I would never and I mean never use the Nav.

Same with On Star as I never use it in my present car.

I would rather see a 40 GN hard drive for the audio system than a Nav unit.
100% agreed. And I hope XM is an option.

I'm not following this premise, that it's going to need one 'to be taken seriously'. We're not talking about a CTS here. It's a value-oriented sporty coupe. Since when is nav a natural part of that? I for one hope it's not even an option. It would seem very out of place on this car IMHO. Besides, I thought I read speculation somewhere that turn-by-turn nav might be built into the car's stereo.

Navigation is available from the factory in the following cars:

Honda Accord
Toyota Camry
Honda Civic

And a few others I'm forgetting..... my point is there are quite a few cars now that aren't anywhere near premium automobiles that offer navigation, and at least one that I know of at a price point under $20k. GM must start offering this feature in pretty much every one of the cars they make. It doesn't have to be standard, nor should it. But it must be an option. The competition is doing it, and right now it's the number one complaint and dissapointment I am hearing about the Malibu and Aura is that they do not offer it.

It is disingenuous to assume a Camaro customer would not be interested in navigation at all.

I hope they offer it as an option. If they do I will get it. If not I will just get a Garmin or something. I would also like XM and Onstar as options but who knows.

Lets get real here, if Camaro is to succeed it needs to have options that will bring in non-Camaro enthusiasts to buy the car. Nav is one thing that needs to be an option on all trim levels. I would like to see a pop-up screen like on the CTS, but I don't see that happening with the current interior design.

I really want NAV on my Camaro. All those that say they would never use it would be surprised how often it comes in handy. My wife and I got a Garmin for Christmas and figured we would only use it occasionally, but we take it with us every time we go out. I would really prefer a built in one, so I wouldn't have to worry about forgetting it at home, and taking it down off the window every time I park the car so it won't get stolen.

I would like NAV as well.

If it's not an option, the spy shots of the interior suggest that it would be difficult to install due to the odd configuration.

It's possible that the lack of perfection is intentional. Leaving room for future improvements...

Navigation is available from the factory in the following cars:

Honda Accord
Toyota Camry
Honda Civic

And a few others I'm forgetting..... my point is there are quite a few cars now that aren't anywhere near premium automobiles that offer navigation, and at least one that I know of at a price point under $20k. GM must start offering this feature in pretty much every one of the cars they make. It doesn't have to be standard, nor should it. But it must be an option. The competition is doing it, and right now it's the number one complaint and dissapointment I am hearing about the Malibu and Aura is that they do not offer it.

It is disingenuous to assume a Camaro customer would not be interested in navigation at all.

I suppose you have a point. Chevy needs to be forward-thinking, since the new Camaro will be around in its 2010 incarnation, for several years. And nav options are indeed appearing on more and more cars. (I did not know it can be had on a Civic :eek: ).

I will say this - IF the Camaro comes with a HUD option, and IF also a nav option, then there's also a chance it will have that cool ability to show dynamic route guidance in the HUD to guide you to destination - which is pretty cool IMHO.

I would like NAV as well.

If it's not an option, the spy shots of the interior suggest that it would be difficult to install due to the odd configuration.

It's possible that the lack of perfection is intentional. Leaving room for future improvements...

I guess it goes back to what FBF has been saying - that we should not read too much into those mule pix. So far we've only seen exterior pix of what is likely a V6 variant... the mule interior pix could be just about any variant or mixture of variants of the new Camaro. Maybe the 'upgraded' interior with nav has a different stack molding with a slot for the screen. We'll need to wait and see.

For all of you that don't like the idea of a Nav, let me tell you this. It's a toy, a very cool toy. Guys LIKE cool toys. Is not Best Buy your Mecca? I use the Nav all the time. Not because I don't know where I'm going. Just because it tracks your progress, tells you what street your on, tells you what street you are looking for, and how far away it is. It even counts down the miles and minutes to your destination. It's kind of like a celphone. Sure we lived without them for years and years, but try and get along without it now.

what i want most on the camaro in regards to audio would be

1. a link for my ipod
2. Mp3 support,either the cd player reads it or a connection for a flash drive
3.Bluetooth built into the raidio
4. HD radio along with XM

Mustang has it

Yep, and so does every single 2 dr sports coupe from 20k to 100k.
Its gunna have it optional.

For all of you that don't like the idea of a Nav, let me tell you this. It's a toy, a very cool toy. Guys LIKE cool toys. Is not Best Buy your Mecca? I use the Nav all the time. Not because I don't know where I'm going. Just because it tracks your progress, tells you what street your on, tells you what street you are looking for, and how far away it is. It even counts down the miles and minutes to your destination. It's kind of like a celphone. Sure we lived without them for years and years, but try and get along without it now.

I agree it should be included but only as an option as not everyone needs or wants one.

Road signs tell me where I am. I have driven all over Southern Cal and most of the rest of the States with no problem and no wrong turns. The GPS come in handy in my Buddies Cessna plane as there are few road signs in the sky and when you get out of Ohio the landmarkes become harder to ID.

I just enjoy driving and if I pay a large sum for electronics in a car I want it in a 40 GB dash mounted hard drive like Cadillac has.

I will never say not to offer the GPS just give me an option so I will not be paying for what I don't want.

I have a friend who has a Garmin. He pays more attention to it than the damn road. Scares the piss out of me.

I have no need for one, but I agree 100% that the camaro should have it.

What was the biggest complaint from Malibu reviewers... NO NAV SYSTEM. That's a huge compliment to GM when the only thing they could bitch about was lack of a nav system (BUT can't you call onstar and get step by step directions?) But why give reviewers something to whine about? It needs to be in the new 'bu ASAP. If the Camaro is to "win over" reviewers, not only does it need to be impressive inside and out, it needs to have all the new electronic crap people don't really need but think they do ;)

I hope it has nav as an option, just for people who want it. Myself, I'll stick with my Garmin.

I'd think twice about spending $2K on a factory nav system, when it's been shown that vehicles equipped with the manufacturers' factory nav systems actually depreciate more quickly than vehicles without this feature.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ale-usat_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-navresale-usat_N.htm)
... and especially in light of how much the prices of portable units have dropped in the last 8 mos!! They're becoming almost disposable!
Now I'm somewhat biased, because I have 4 vehicles in the stable that are almost all used on a daily basis by family members and I [b]love[b] being able to take my Garmin Nuvi 660 from 1 vehicle to another - and it's a heckuva lot cheaper (and easier to update) than any factory unit I'm aware of!



I'd have to agree with that. :D

Originally Posted by sselie
I'd think twice about spending $2K on a factory nav system,.....
... .........and especially in light of how much the prices of portable units have dropped in the last 8 mos!!
A good point but, why should it cost $2K for NAV now when $400.00 gets you a very good portable unit? I don't see it..
And if it's intergrated into a stereo unit, which becomes obsolete at about the rate, both could be upgraded at a dealership in 4years or so...
But I don't see'em doing it soon b/c they have the "OnStar turn by turn" they're trying to sell.
Just hope they don't let the imports jump way ahead on this one tho....

A good point but, why should it cost $2K for NAV now when $400.00 gets you a very good portable unit? I don't see it..
And if it's intergrated into a stereo unit, which becomes obsolete at about the rate, both could be upgraded at a dealership in 4years or so...
But I don't see'em doing it soon b/c they have the "OnStar turn by turn" they're trying to sell.
Just hope they don't let the imports jump way ahead on this one tho....

Yeah, but OnStar turn by turn takes the gadget factor out of it. I want to look at the screen and SEE what's going on. It's purely a toy thing for me. I've used it for a couple of road trips, but mostly to track progress on the map it shows and to see exactly how many miles/minutes I have left in my trip.

Future nav systems will be more involved and will be connected to the internet.

The little thing on your dash will go the way of the CB radio before long as that was only the first step.

The new systrems will tell you not only where the gas station is but how much the gas is and who is cheapest.

Also some parking lots will be set up to tell the NAV where the open spots are.

It will be soon enough [1-5 years] the one that comes with the car will far supass the dash units.

Funny how you hear some complain about invation of their personel info but they are more than happy to have a GPS pinpoint where they are and put all their info in a Face Book. Go figure?

One step forward two steps back.

I disagree with the notion that they should be standard in every car. Not everyone wants one and with navigation being available on cell phones, onStar, and in standalone devices I don't think the expense of integrating it into the car is worth it. If I want navigation, I'd rather get a garmin or other standalone - then it goes into any car.

i'm with you.

i'm with you.

I'm not...

Standalone devices, aka Garmins, TomTom's....are a pain in the butt. Cords, suction cups, and hard to use interfaces = BAD. Plus, they lend themselves easily to smash-n-grab thieves.

Believe it or not, there's lots of people out there who can't/won't read maps or understand street directions/divisions and addresses. Nav is one of those things that people buy because they don't think they need it--and in many cases don't, but often end up loving it.

Just make it optional, then those of us that really want it can have it and those that don't won't.

Just make it optional, then those of us that really want it can have it and those that don't won't.

I think that is very likely that it will be optional. In fact, I am banking on it. I don't know why people would think it would come standard and hike the price up when GM is not only well aware that it needs to be competitively affordable, but have stated it many times.

Now, I'm not exactly well versed in knowing what GM's nav systems look like. My experience is with ones that are in a standard din-sized head unit. The ones I'm thinking of slide out of the dash, fold up to show the screen and are a complete pain in the neck. Now, if nav is an option can I expect that we would not see this style, because of how fragile and prone to damage they are?

2 cents...

1. To think/worry that navigation will be standard in the new Camaro is ludicrous. Navigation is not standard in any car that comes to mind. Hell, my dad just bought a $90,000 Benz and even at that price point he had to pay extra for the Navigation (even though he has Tele-aid, which is just like On-Star).

With that being said, if it is offered as an option, why be mad? Just don't buy it.

2. On-Star just as good as navigation. NO. It simply is not the same. Number one, On-star is a pay service of 18.95 a month. Number 2, that doesn't even include Turn-By-Turn. So you have to pay even more to get that feature. Number 3, being able to actually see a map makes a big difference. If there is something unexpected blocking a big portion of my route, I can look down at my map and plan a new route. Also, most nav units, there is a reroute feature. I don't want to have to call up On-Star again to have them redownload a new route into my radio. And from what I hear, they are unable to do that anyway. (Last statement has not been verified by me.)

3. That all brings me to my final point. YES. GM should over nav from the factory to everyone who wants it. Me personally, I would rather take my Camaro with no audio system at all. I will be tearing all of that crap out anyway and going aftermarket, including in-dash nav :D

I enjoy the one in the C6! I cannot believe they do not offer it in the new Malibu. What a MISTAKE!!

:confused::confused:

I enjoy the one in the C6! I cannot believe they do not offer it in the new Malibu. What a MISTAKE!!

:confused::confused:

I agree...not only is nav useful in many situations, but it's one of those options that passengers see and go "wow, this car IS fully loaded." Especially in the mid 20k range, a lot of people are wishing for their automobiles to appear upscale, to which the Malibu's exterior already lends itself.

It doesn't have to be touch-screen or have a fold-out display, but a simple button interface would do. Anything but BlondeStar. :cool:

Don't care, I have a sense of direction. :shrug:

2 cents...


With that being said, if it is offered as an option, why be mad? Just don't buy it.

2. On-Star just as good as navigation. NO. It simply is not the same. Number one, On-star is a pay service of 18.95 a month. Number 2, that doesn't even include Turn-By-Turn. So you have to pay even more to get that feature. Number 3, being able to actually see a map makes a big difference. If there is something unexpected blocking a big portion of my route, I can look down at my map and plan a new route. Also, most nav units, there is a reroute feature. I don't want to have to call up On-Star again to have them redownload a new route into my radio. And from what I hear, they are unable to do that anyway. (Last statement has not been verified by me.)


Exactly. Everyone is getting their panties wound up for what? For a possible option? The Mustang (read: It's competitor) offers one as an option, therefor, the Camaro will most likely offer one. So, if you don't want it don't get it.

Everyone who states they've survived without a nav, has never gotten lost, or will just take a map with them certainly never experience the ease of traveling from point A, to B, to C, then to D. Like, if you were on vacation or had to go a hop around a few locations.

Like some people said, once you've used one, you will not go back. Just like the 'net, the cell, etc. the convenience cannot be argued.:)

Look, let's all get a grip on ourselves.

First of all, I would eat my web server if it is a STANDARD feature on the car. They just don't do that because they are expensive and they surely know not everyone wants one or can afford one. It is not standard on a Corvette is it? Put that into perspective.

The car MUST be AFFORDABLE. Making every buyer fork over 1k-2k more is surely a deal break for many buyers and Chevrolet knows this.

Are they nice to have? Damn right!
Are they cool to fiddle with? If you have to ask this question, turn in your man card.

So now the big question...

Will it be available? I think to be competitive in the market segment, yes. I think it will be an OPTION. That means if you don't want it, you don't have to pay for it. That also means if you DO want one, you will probably have the OPTION to pay for one.

Again, let's get a grip on reality. :)

Look, let's all get a grip on ourselves.

First of all, I would eat my web server if it is a STANDARD feature on the car. They just don't do that because they are expensive and they surely know not everyone wants one or can afford one. It is not standard on a Corvette is it? Put that into perspective.

The car MUST be AFFORDABLE. Making every buyer fork over 1k-2k more is surely a deal break for many buyers and Chevrolet knows this.

Are they nice to have? Damn right!
Are they cool to fiddle with? If you have to ask this question, turn in your man card.

So now the big question...

Will it be available? I think to be competitive in the market segment, yes. I think it will be an OPTION. That means if you don't want it, you don't have to pay for it. That also means if you DO want one, you will probably have the OPTION to pay for one.

Again, let's get a grip on reality. :)

Well Put!

With this being said keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader and that means price point is important. Keeping it an option is important to those who want a very affordable car. Now if you get into a Caddy it is the price of admission and should be expected as well as the automatic nose wiper and heated steering wheel .

Even with the Bu lacking a Nav right now I would not be suprised to see it added next year as the first year GP also lacked it. Putting one in is as easy as installing a upgraded radio indash as they do in most cars. It would not take a major retro fit.

Looking at my OnStar renewal letter for my Grand Prix, I notice a Safe and Sound Plan for $18.95/mo or $199/yr and a Directions & Connections Plan for $28.90/mo or $299/yr. I do not know if the latter includes the former or not. Doesnt matter, I use a $5 Rand McNally atlas where ever I go. And what ever happened to the human connection of calling someone up to find out the best way to get there?

Well Put!

With this being said keep in mind Chevy is GM's value leader and that means price point is important. Keeping it an option is important to those who want a very affordable car. Now if you get into a Caddy it is the price of admission and should be expected as well as the automatic nose wiper and heated steering wheel .

Even with the Bu lacking a Nav right now I would not be suprised to see it added next year as the first year GP also lacked it. Putting one in is as easy as installing a upgraded radio indash as they do in most cars. It would not take a major retro fit.

Makes sense to me. I'd not be surprised to see a nav option on the new Camaro. I can see how it is becoming a more popular option. It also makes sense that it would/will likely be an OPTION... certainly not standard.

Where did we have this conversation before?

;)

I'd think twice about spending $2K on a factory nav system

$2k may be a little high, but it is expensive.

Lets dig a little deeper into the cost of ownership of a built in unit. IIRC, you get two annual updates free. After that, it's $200 to get a DVD to update the maps from GM. TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS for updated maps!!!!!

http://www.gmnavdisc.com

The real question is how will Nav be bundled? My guess is it wont be standalone. You want that "LT3" type package with all the bells and whistles, you're foking over the dough for Nav too.

I could see myself clicking a Nav option , but more for the other features rather than the nav itself . I would be all over a system like the current hardrives with Tivo type features , ipod integretion with full screen display and bluetooth . If I had to have a nav to get all that , I would .

Gotta say though , it would be much sweeter if all the Audiophile stuff and bluetooth was available without navagation . Just have a nice larger LCD full color display like in the Pontiac G8 .

I have a nav system in every vehicle I own. Do I use them for directions?? Almost never.

That being said....the screen makes everything easier to deal with..especially XM and iPods...so it is much more than directions. I have a Pioneer Avic D3..and that thing can do so many things it is mind numbing..from blue tooth for the phone to XM Navtraffic. You can even use it to watch movies off your iPod (in park of course)

I still remember my Grand Prix that showed directions in the HUD...now that is cool.

GM will offer a dirt cheap Camaro to be competitive...but in reality, they want people to load their Camaro's up..and pay for premium options and packages. I would see the NAV system as being a part of that.

I've gotta have NAV, even if I have to buy a portable unit. And the ones I'm seeing here are $199-$249 for 3.5", and $229-$499 for decent 4.3" screens.
I rode in my BF's car recently, who bought a Pioneer, motorized flip screen, 7" display. I got to say the touch screen NAV with voice, turn by turn was great, even gave alternate routes if needed.
Lifes too short and gas too expensive, to drive around asking for directions everywhere...

I'm not following this premise, that it's going to need one 'to be taken seriously'. We're not talking about a CTS here. It's a value-oriented sporty coupe. Since when is nav a natural part of that? I for one hope it's not even an option. It would seem very out of place on this car IMHO. Besides, I thought I read speculation somewhere that turn-by-turn nav might be built into the car's stereo.

I completely agree its not needed to be taken seriously.

Its not a Caddy or a BMW sport coupe, Its a Chevy Muscle car.
Not to say it wont be worth adding as an option just not 100% essential to the option list.

Hold the nav please and give me a side order of map.

Sure sounds like some old codgers around here. "I don't want no new technology!" "I fear change!". "I don't need no more buttons." Jason said it best.
If you use a cel, net, DVR, then take the next step. NAV is yet another gadget that is both fun and useful. And way up there on the neat list. Once you use it it will become just another part of your life that you wondered how you lived without it. Reminds me of my father-inlaw. He had DIAL UP until about a month ago. "I don't need all that speed, for what I do on the internet, my dial up is fine." Well he finally folded under my pressure and got Comcast high speed. It took him two weeks to admit that "how the hell did I live with out this for so long?"
Do you NEED Nav? Probably not. Once you have it and use it do you WANT it? Absolutely.

Do you NEED Nav? Probably not. Once you have it and use it do you WANT it? Absolutely.

As a technocrat and gadget freak, I can see this. My ipod, my pda, my cell phone are all examples of things that I don't need but absolutely want. I don't put NAV in that same category. If I'm taking long trips, or a lot of driving where I NEED directions, fine. At this point in my life, I'm NOT. I don't stop for directions, I don't need directions - for where I drive and what I do I would rather have real-time ACCURATE traffic info. If I wanted NAV (and they are very cool) I'll buy a portable, because that way I can take any car I want and still have it.......it's not a matter of staying away from new technology, it's about what fits a person's lifestyle and what they're willing to pay for.

Sure sounds like some old codgers around here. "I don't want no new technology!" "I fear change!". "I don't need no more buttons." Jason said it best.
If you use a cel, net, DVR, then take the next step. NAV is yet another gadget that is both fun and useful. And way up there on the neat list. Once you use it it will become just another part of your life that you wondered how you lived without it. Reminds me of my father-inlaw. He had DIAL UP until about a month ago. "I don't need all that speed, for what I do on the internet, my dial up is fine." Well he finally folded under my pressure and got Comcast high speed. It took him two weeks to admit that "how the hell did I live with out this for so long?"
Do you NEED Nav? Probably not. Once you have it and use it do you WANT it? Absolutely.

I am stil in my 20's :) no codger here.

Make no mistake, I would take it if its free but its not something Id pay for. Its not really needed. You cant realy compare it to internet. You use the internet every single day of your life. Navigation would rarely be used.

It is neat though.

Bear in mind that the screen is not just used for navigation. It is a sound system interface and for all we know, it may tie in to vehicle information, etc. Just playing devil's advocate on this one.

Sure sounds like some old codgers around here. "I don't want no new technology!" "I fear change!". "I don't need no more buttons." Jason said it best.
If you use a cel, net, DVR, then take the next step. NAV is yet another gadget that is both fun and useful. And way up there on the neat list. Once you use it it will become just another part of your life that you wondered how you lived without it. Reminds me of my father-inlaw. He had DIAL UP until about a month ago. "I don't need all that speed, for what I do on the internet, my dial up is fine." Well he finally folded under my pressure and got Comcast high speed. It took him two weeks to admit that "how the hell did I live with out this for so long?"
Do you NEED Nav? Probably not. Once you have it and use it do you WANT it? Absolutely.
You might be right (I'm 48 :o ). I'm speaking from a little older perspective I suppose. I do agree, the comparison to internet wideband holds some water. I used to think wideband was a 'luxury'... but now there's no way I'd want to go back to dialup.

Makes sense for the Camaro to have nav as an OEM option. I'm still not convinced I'd order it in mine (I do intend to order my Camaro), but who knows. Yet another one of those things it might be wise to 'wait and see' on before deciding.

Sure sounds like some old codgers around here. "I don't want no new technology!" "I fear change!". "I don't need no more buttons." Jason said it best.
If you use a cel, net, DVR, then take the next step. NAV is yet another gadget that is both fun and useful. And way up there on the neat list. Once you use it it will become just another part of your life that you wondered how you lived without it. Reminds me of my father-inlaw. He had DIAL UP until about a month ago. "I don't need all that speed, for what I do on the internet, my dial up is fine." Well he finally folded under my pressure and got Comcast high speed. It took him two weeks to admit that "how the hell did I live with out this for so long?"
Do you NEED Nav? Probably not. Once you have it and use it do you WANT it? Absolutely.

Age is no issue as I have wideband and all the toys. I have over 2000 songs in my MP3 and plan on adding as micro card for 4 GB more.

The issue here is the fact 75% of my driving is my 15 mile trip to work and back. I know how long it take I even know how long the stop lights are after driving it for 14 years. I don't have any use for this in my daily trips.

As for my road trips If it is some where hace not been before I have flown there and my car is at home. I can tell you Detroit is 3 hours from home. I can tell you where I get gas on my trips there.

I can tell you The Ohio River is 2 hours from home and I get Gas at the Upper Salem Exit before the next two hours to Charleston.

I know Charlotte is 5 and a half hours from home and you get gas in Mount Airy Before hitting town.

The fact is I would gain noithing here as I have driven all these roads enough to know where I am and how long to get there. I just would like the money on something I would not need or use to go to another option.

Now once they intergrate the web into the car it opens more doors later but now this has no use for me.

Age is no issue as I have wideband and all the toys. I have over 2000 songs in my MP3 and plan on adding as micro card for 4 GB more.

The issue here is the fact 75% of my driving is my 15 mile trip to work and back. I know how long it take I even know how long the stop lights are after driving it for 14 years. I don't have any use for this in my daily trips.

As for my road trips If it is some where hace not been before I have flown there and my car is at home. I can tell you Detroit is 3 hours from home. I can tell you where I get gas on my trips there.

I can tell you The Ohio River is 2 hours from home and I get Gas at the Upper Salem Exit before the next two hours to Charleston.

I know Charlotte is 5 and a half hours from home and you get gas in Mount Airy Before hitting town.

The fact is I would gain noithing here as I have driven all these roads enough to know where I am and how long to get there. I just would like the money on something I would not need or use to go to another option.

Now once they intergrate the web into the car it opens more doors later but now this has no use for me.

Do you ever go anywhere you have never been before?

Plus like Jason said, it's more than just a map on a screen. Many of them have bluetooth capability, many radio functions you can't get on a standard radio, vehicle info screen as well as a DVD player. No I wouldn't be watching TV on it, BUT 1 DVD holds close to 5 gigs of music. Couple that with the upgraded 6 disc option, you would then be capable of storing 30 gigs of music right there in your dash. The unit could also include certain voice features much like the ones Ford and Honda use right now.

So yeah, the option says Nav, but it could possibly be a whole lot more.

I think this thread needs a Nav because it has gotten lost. :D

Let's just all agree that Nav SHOULD be an option so that those of us that want it can have it, and those that think they don't need it don't have to pay for it. :cool:

I wouldn't mind it being an option. Sure, my use would be much more limited because I've lived in Prince George, BC my entire life and I know it like the back of my hand. However, it would be useful because there's plenty of times when someone gives me directions to an area such as "Fern St." I may have a general idea where that is, but I could be mixed up entirely. And if I take my annual trip to Vancouver, it would be a godsend because I have absolutely no idea where anything in that city is.

So long as it's an actual screen integrated into the dash, I'd be likely to order it, especially if it can be integrated with my iPod, and not via an FM adapter.

I guess it depends on where you live as to how much you use it. But where I'm at, I frequently travel to locations in Cinncinnati, Columbus, Dayton or like this weekend, the Detroit Auto Show.
I'm not an expert on it but,..
If you have an address of a hotel, store or Dr.'s office, you can just input it and it'll lay out a route, and maybe that route is easier or quicker than the one you've been driving for years..
If you are talking or daydreaming, it'll remind you of a coming turn, or that you missed a turn depending. And how to get back on track.

When I get a new Camaro, I'd like to be able to lay out routes to some car shows and events, to and from...:cool:

Do you NEED it, well, do you NEED a cell phone??
(or insert some other modern convenience)