Frontal shot of new Camaro......

I think people would be amazed at how everyone is 'sweating the details' --for instance -- I posted a picture of a portion of the team 'listening' thru headphones -- all to work on 'tuning' the exhaust of the V8 engine.

The concept wasn't flawless -- but on the other hand, the concept had incredibly expensive materials -- such as billet aluminum parts -- and we must keep in mind that the new Camaro MUST come in at a "Chevy" price..........

I think, all in all, you will be pleased.

Well thats good to hear;)...Sounds like a potentially messy job for when they get it right. The concept appeared to be about as nice of an interior as possible. Now swap out all the billet parts and add plastic for the price. I have noticed that GM recently has seem to be on top of their game. I worked at a Ford/Mitsu/GMC/Buick/Pontiac dealer. Lot of cars to deal with. They were very nice even down to the G5. I have faith that the parts being used won't let me down.

Red, quick question. Maybe it is the lighting, but is the fender flare smaller on the white car pictured than on the Concepts?

I really liked the amount on the Concepts (a lot).

Wow that looks stunning! I dont mind the lights to much but they don't go with the car. Was that a sunroof I saw in the rear pic? And the new grille is much better.

And as others mentions, hopefully it will not have that ridiculous wwf championship belt size bowtie in the front. It would just look silly. In those new malibu commercials the car looks decent until they zoom in on the nice grey car with chome accents, and then BAM! That ugly huge wrong color logo right in front. :yuck:

ugh...the grill comments bring to imagination misaligned billet aluminum grills, with the fins bent and some chevy bowtie with chrome flames coming off of it...

I'm so glad that there will be other grills over the one on the concept, disliked it so much heheh.

BTW there FBF, I think the only way to correctly tune that V8 exhuast is to put a real SBC in it! (not happening I know) I hope you guys found a way to fix up the LS sound some, though I doubt it. I recall alot of detail going into the GTO exhaust and it was not impressive, as is the new ZR1's 625HP LS aquatic bubblefest. :think: On top of it the single outlet GTO's sounded better than the true dual cars for some reason. :confused:

I'll probably get slapped the next time I walk into a Camaro meeting for posting this -- but I don't want people to be disappointed --

No hideaway headlamps -- for many reasons.

#1. Weight -- (and we all know how many people on this site feel about weight!)

#2. Reliability and fit/finish. (did you ever see a headlamp door remain in alignment on the 1st gens???)

#3. Export purposes..........

.......plus a host of other reasons.

Notice I'm not saying that grilles may not be different -- ;)

(dang -- there goes that 'winkie' thing again!)


Thank you sir for the information. I just didn't want to go pick up my car and see an option I didn't know about on the one beside it, or hold off because something was rumored to be coming. Can't wait.

(BTW Scott, Yes I've seen many mis-aligned, or one open one not, hideaways. My 68 was restored in 1990 and was my daily driver for 11 years, the vacuum hideaways never missed a beat. As I'm sure you know, it all depends on how much you love, TLC, your car)

I'm sure the GMMG, Callaway and SLP people are already dreamin' up some mod's.

All that being said, a 69 RS treatment would look SWEET on the front of this baby.
I won't take credit for this chop, but here ya go.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/gen5chop16gn.jpg

o man thats a sexy front end the only problem i see is the metal infront of the headlights

thats the best front end ive seen tho :)

Concur. I like that look.

^They look like fog lights from autozone???

I agree. I don't hate the current lights per se, but the lights on the concept look a lot meaner.

Actually I thought the lights were from autozone because the production versions aren't ready yet. :rolleyes:

man you people can say what you want, that is one of the most amazing looking cars i've ever seen! :metal: :bow:

i can NOT wait to see these things on the road! :D

I don't think just because people are making comments on what they would prefer doesn't mean we don't all love how it looks now. In fact, out of all the car releases I can remember, this one has the fewest things people want to change.

Actually I thought the lights were from autozone because the production versions aren't ready yet. :rolleyes:

I know what you meant, just saying I like the single as opposed to the duel. :rolleyes:

I know what you meant, just saying I like the single as opposed to the duel. :rolleyes:

I think you're missing the point??? The car was never meant to have dual lights. They are in there solely for the purpose of being able to drive the car at night.

The headlights look like they are from autozone because they are from autozone. they are not production headlights. In preproduction form, a lot of carmakers will just put general lighting that they have lying around or can get for a cheap price so they can drive the car at night.
These are not production ready....how many times does it have to be said in 18 pages.

If only they could do something with those headlights.







*runs out of the room snickering*

No hideaway headlamps -- for many reasons.


Okay, you've answered that question. But my ultimate (and only) question I've ever asked has yet to be (although, I suppose I could wait to see the finished product if you don't want to answer yet :p )......

Will the parkinglamp halos be retained from the concept?

And, will HIDs be an option? (Allright, that's two questions, but still alot less than most people have)

All that being said, a 69 RS treatment would look SWEET on the front of this baby.
I won't take credit for this chop, but here ya go.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/gen5chop16gn.jpg

I just wet my pants...seriously!:D

Thank you for the chop post. It's just what I imagined and more.

Thanks for the original picture of the full frontal view.

Thanks again FBF for the information.

I was just trying to satisfy a curiosity rather than create a controversy or seem I wasn't happy with what we have coming.:D

I know what you meant, just saying I like the single as opposed to the duel. :rolleyes:

the headlights are not duel on the preproduction is what people are trying to tell you. The could have tapped spot lights to the hood to have the same effect. Production headlights as well as other production parts are missing...

I agree with Doug regarding the A pillar. That combined with the reduced side glass makes the greenhouse look more bulky and less slick. The quad HID's get a thumbs down from me. I know you need quad HID's to get hi-beams but it really reduces the menacing look. Watch the Transformer movie again when Bumblebee first turns into the 5th gen and pulls up - the headlights make all the difference.

Actually I thought the lights were from autozone because the production versions aren't ready yet. :rolleyes:


You are correct and we now know who has been paying attention here...

They will not be duel they will not be what is pictured and the ones on the mule are just driving lights from a parts store as Scott said were velcroed and hot glued in to make the cars driveable at night.

Scott said parts were missing and by parts he ment emblems trim and HEADLIGHTS.

At this point I am sure they are getting the final changes and needed approval and test done. Why bolt in what is not complete?

They have to be DOT approved, durablility tested, tooled for production, designed to meet cost, performance tested, and god knows what else GM has to do before they are ready. these were not off the self items and have many different criteira to meet.

I know you need quad HID's to get hi-beams but it really reduces the menacing look
No you dont. All you need is a bi-xenon projector. It has a little door that can move and provide low or high beams from a single unit.

Here's the door action of one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxUWYKA3_Y

And a video switching between beams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19C1uaAYQKk&feature=related

I'm reserving judgment for the production model.

No you dont. All you need is a bi-xenon projector. It has a little door that can move and provide low or high beams from a single unit.

Here's the door action of one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxUWYKA3_Y

And a video switching between beams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19C1uaAYQKk&feature=related

Well in that case, screw the quads. Don't ruin a good thing:

http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/15.jpg
http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/16.jpg

Well in that case, screw the quads. Don't ruin a good thing:

http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/15.jpg
http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/16.jpg

i will go crazy if it comes with those headlights, they are so awesome:bow:

Well, for me...I've been looking at the pics and thanks guys for the comparison posts...The mule is so damn close....but it seems taller or top heavy, not sleak or mean damn close but something is missing...trying to figure it out.
I still like the concept better, maybe it's the wheels, it looks alot meaner and alot sleaker. I like the grill better on the mule, but that's about it. I know that it's not a production model but.....When I hit a show room with a new camaro in it and I don't pitch a tent like I did when I saw the concept, I'll put the money towards my 3rd gen and leave it at that.

I have faith that GM will not let us down....I really liked the gas cap on top of the fender..to me, that was one of the most coolest things I've seen in a long time......that gas cap looked awesome too...shame if it doesn't make production.

No quads for me, but otherwise I like it.

For the one millionth time! THOSE ARE NOT PRODUCTION HEADLIGHTS...THEY ARE FOR TESTING ONLY

:bang::bang::bang:

I don't know if the car is taller or not, but it needs to have a larger greenhouse than the concept, or at least a lower seat.
If you saw Bob Lutz and Road and Track's Thomas A. Bryant in the car, there was a serious lack of headroom.

For the one millionth time! THOSE ARE NOT PRODUCTION HEADLIGHTS...THEY ARE FOR TESTING ONLY

:bang::bang::bang:

Duh - I think we've heard that enough already but thank you! You and others just don't get it - think a bit harder.

Setting up quads on a dual car is more trouble than it's worth if it's "just for testing". Especially when they are HID's. The primary lights have also been set back from the highbeams which tells me quads are being considered. GM does this all the time with other cars you see a year out of production don't they? NOT!!!!

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

There's a reason we're not getting a good look at the nose yet. From GM Fastlane blog...

The new Camro is quickly evolving into final form, but some of the details you see here (such as the headlamp design) may change before production begins this year.

As long as I see these comments from GM, I see the risk of screwing with the original headlamp design - DON'T!!

Duh - I think we've heard that enough already but thank you! You and others just don't get it - think a bit harder.

Setting up quads on a dual car is more trouble than it's worth if it's "just for testing". Especially when they are HID's. The primary lights have also been set back from the highbeams which tells me quads are being considered. GM does this all the time with other cars you see a year out of production don't they? NOT!!!!



Originally Posted by Silverado C-10 View Post
^They look like fog lights from autozone???

dingdingdingdingding-- we have a winnah!!!!!


all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............


:think: ...how long does it take to hot glue fog lights to cardboard and spray paint it??? :confused:

I don't need to think harder... I've been paying attention ;)

Duh - I think we've heard that enough already but thank you! You and others just don't get it - think a bit harder.

Setting up quads on a dual car is more trouble than it's worth if it's "just for testing". Especially when they are HID's. The primary lights have also been set back from the highbeams which tells me quads are being considered. GM does this all the time with other cars you see a year out of production don't they? NOT!!!!

Were glad youre so kind as to point out what we dont get. Your misinformation that it will be duel headlights however are misleading other people. How do you know they dont do this all the time? There is usually camo covering the non productioin autozone headlights.

Duh - I think we've heard that enough already but thank you! You and others just don't get it - think a bit harder.

Setting up quads on a dual car is more trouble than it's worth if it's "just for testing". Especially when they are HID's. The primary lights have also been set back from the highbeams which tells me quads are being considered. GM does this all the time with other cars you see a year out of production don't they? NOT!!!!

Their not setting anything up . It solely to be able to drive the car at night , have light on the road and be legal with a high beam , a low beam and a amber turnsignal . Dont look anymore into it than that . Their hot glued and velcro'ed , that doesnt take much effort .

If youd notice , almost all the more recent mules and pre-production cars including the latest CTS has had these very same lights mounted in place of the production lamps .

:think: ...how long does it take to hot glue fog lights to cardboard and spray paint it??? :confused:

I don't need to think harder... I've been paying attention ;)

Have you? How do you know they used cardboard and spray paint?

If youd notice , almost all the more recent mules and pre-production cars including the latest CTS has had these very same lights mounted in place of the production lamps .

"Almost all the more recent mules..." Really? Any pics?

Have you? How do you know they used cardboard and spray paint?
:D Been there... done that. It's a cheap and easy approach. GM engineers ain't stoopid, is they? ;)

I took this closeup of Bumblebee's headlight last weekend in Detroit....not sure if I see a halo in there or not?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/splt1/Uploaded_files/BBheadlight.jpg

GM engineers ain't stoopid, is they? ;)

It depends - are you talking about the guy who designed the power window motors for the 4th gens? :rolleyes: While we're on the subject, who's idea was it to put the piston slap in my 01 LS1 and my 04 6.0 Vortec?

It depends - are you talking about the guy who designed the power window motors for the 4th gens? :rolleyes:I thought those were made in China. ;)

As long as I see these comments from GM, I see the risk of screwing with the original headlamp design - DON'T!!


Hylton -- trust me -- you're gonna love what you see.

No quad headlamps.

I see they are ****ing it up already, what a suprise.

From the rear/side view it has the lines of a newer mustang.

Oh dear god you guys.. give it a rest already.. the production model is not out yet. Wait and see already...

sheesh..

as for the headlights.. Scott said it above my post.. READ it , Learn it, Love it. The Fbodfather has spoken about it!

seriously.. quit with the doom and gloom you guys sound like me when im talkin about my job..

The car is worth waiting for. you'll love it or you wont.. but im betting on the prior.

No quad headlamps.
There guys... do you believe it now? :D

For all of you that didn't believe the Camaro would NOT have quad headlights.....
"Here's your sign."

No quad headlamps.

No quad headlamps.

...and the Fbodfather stood atop the highest mountain and said unto his people, "Thy Camaro shalt not have quad headlights."

:bow:

:lol:

I love Fridays!

...and the Fbodfather stood atop the highest mountain and said unto his people, "Thy Camaro shalt not have quad headlights."

:bow:

:lol:

I love Fridays!

ROFL!! I want to see a photoshop of this!!!

Hylton -- trust me -- you're gonna love what you see.

No quad headlamps.

Thanks for putting that thought to bed Scott. Looking forward to having one (or two) in the fleet!

First this:

Well in that case, screw the quads. Don't ruin a good thing:

http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/15.jpg
http://www.nogaroblue.com/Audiworld/NAIAS2008/16.jpg

...and then this:

Hylton -- trust me -- you're gonna love what you see.

No quad headlamps.

Respectable people don't throw "trust me" around lightly. Hylton's request not to "ruin a good thing," i.e. that particular bumblebee's lamp setup, and Scott's reply tells me that we're looking at the production lamps. I just had to register when I saw this exchange, as I've been waiting for a long time for this very important issue to be cleared up.

...and for the record, Scott knows where I am coming from.

Thanks for putting that thought to bed Scott. Looking forward to having one (or two) in the fleet!

Only TWO????

:D:D

Only TWO????

:D:D

some of us still have CHILDREN we have to raise scott lol.

Including our spouses lol.

...and for the record, Scott knows where I am coming from.

Any chance that Scott is aware of your desire for the halo? :) That closeup assembly looks great...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/splt1/Uploaded_files/BBheadlight.jpg

...but I can't really tell if that outer ring is going to function like the silver concept's . Does anyone have a pic of that particular bumblebee with lamps on?

When I read these threads, I wonder what processes GM goes through to identify what 'finishing touches' to apply on the production cars. There's opinion, followed by counter-opinion. If it's the Lutz rule book, you generally don't let the design clinics have much say. As a design team, you live by the sword and die by the sword... which is the way it should be IMHO. :D

PS Nothing wrong with the concept's 'eyes'.

When I read these threads, I wonder what processes GM goes through to identify what 'finishing touches' to apply on the production cars. There's opinion, followed by counter-opinion. If it's the Lutz rule book, you generally don't let the design clinics have much say. As a design team, you live by the sword and die by the sword... which is the way it should be IMHO. :D

PS Nothing wrong with the concept's 'eyes'.

So you would have given the green light to the front end of the Pontiac Aztec despite the fact that it was uglier than a monkees butt?

Only TWO????

:D:D

Lol! Make you a deal - you find a way that will allow me to buy a factory 5th gen with the supercharged LS9 out of the ZR1 and I will buy three. :thumb: :yes:

Sine the preproduction is so close to the concept, this may still apply...



This is from our test drive of the Camaro Concept, you might want to read the whole thing here (http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/concepttestdrive/index.shtml). Even if you have read it before when it was written, it now seems to paint a better picture of what we can actually expect from the production car.

Lol! Make you a deal - you find a way that will allow me to buy a factory 5th gen with the supercharged LS9 out of the ZR1 and I will three. :thumb: :yes:

i hope the production car has the fender raised higher than the hood like in this pic:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=126

i also like the indented channel on either side of the cowl bump

So you would have given the green light to the front end of the Pontiac Aztec despite the fact that it was uglier than a monkees butt?
Some folks seem to think the ideal car is designed by a public voting or polling process. But that's not how the great car designs have come about. Sure, the Aztek had some problems. (It also won JD Power APPEAL awards, by being very popular with its owners). But car companies cannot, and will not, just go out to the public for approval on every little fender curve. The 1967 Corvette Sting Ray, 1986 Camaro IROC-Z, and 1997 Grand Prix GTP were not designed by a public voting poll. They were created in the minds of skilled, inspired GM designers. THAT is what made them timeless and coveted works of rolling art. I believe the same will be true with the new Camaro :cool:

I think you meant '85 IROC-Z.
The IROCs were a stunning design when stripped of their decals.
Lots of great surfaces for the light to hit.

Some folks seem to think the ideal car is designed by a public voting or polling process. But that's not how the great car designs have come about. Sure, the Aztek had some problems. (It also won JD Power APPEAL awards, by being very popular with its owners). But car companies cannot, and will not, just go out to the public for approval on every little fender curve. The 1967 Corvette Sting Ray, 1986 Camaro IROC-Z, and 1997 Grand Prix GTP were not designed by a public voting poll. They were created in the minds of skilled, inspired GM designers. THAT is what made them timeless and coveted works of rolling art. I believe the same will be true with the new Camaro :cool:

Stating that we want to have the manufacturer go out to the public for every little fender curve is quite a stretch. Never before has GM gone through such great lengths to have the enthusiasts involved in the development of a Camaro. Many members of this site were brought in to Detroit (at GM's expense) to give their opinion to key players in the development of the 5th gen. Never before has a concept Camaro been hauled out to Fbody car shows around Canada and the U.S.

Many people on this project regularily check in here and other websites to see what Fbody enthusiasts are thinking. Heck, I believe they are also looking at Mustang sites to see what those guys are thinking about the upcoming car.

This is exactly what a car comnpany should do to build a smash hit. Don't assume you know what people want. Ask them! One thing Scott loves to do is stand back and listen to the comments people make when looking over the car. Why? Because he will just ignore everything? No, because he cares what people think which tells me that people have influence.

97 Grand Prix GTP a coveted work of art?

We each have our own opinions, I suppose. :D

...but I can't really tell if that outer ring is going to function like the silver concept's . Does anyone have a pic of that particular bumblebee with lamps on?Look closely. The outer rings on Bumblebee's lamps appear to mimick irises just like the character in the movie. Anyone that thinks they're a hint of what is going on the production version is reading too much into it.

I think you meant '85 IROC-Z.
The IROCs were a stunning design when stripped of their decals.
Lots of great surfaces for the light to hit.
I suppose you're correct about the years. I imagine I should have said "1963 Stingray, 1985 IROC-Z, and 1997 GP GTP. I think I did however get the message across. As for the emblems and stripes, I think the IROC-Z was complete only WITH them... IMHO.

Stating that we want to have the manufacturer go out to the public for every little fender curve is quite a stretch. Never before has GM gone through such great lengths to have the enthusiasts involved in the development of a Camaro. Many members of this site were brought in to Detroit (at GM's expense) to give their opinion to key players in the development of the 5th gen. Never before has a concept Camaro been hauled out to Fbody car shows around Canada and the U.S.

Many people on this project regularily check in here and other websites to see what Fbody enthusiasts are thinking. Heck, I believe they are also looking at Mustang sites to see what those guys are thinking about the upcoming car.

This is exactly what a car comnpany should do to build a smash hit. Don't assume you know what people want. Ask them! One thing Scott loves to do is stand back and listen to the comments people make when looking over the car. Why? Because he will just ignore everything? No, because he cares what people think which tells me that people have influence.
It's great Chevy is taking the concept Camaro to so many shows, and soliciting feedback. I imagine a significant amount of that feedback will be incorporated into the production car (we will have to wait and see). But I wonder if some misinterpret those efforts to mean, GM plans to put a 'blank slate' out there and let everyone take a few of their own clay-shaping tools to the blank slug. I feel that would be a huge mistake. I've seen multitudes of 'concepts' offered up by various artists over the years, showing their vision of the next Camaro. They have been interesting... but each time I've muttered a little prayer of thanks to myself ("Thank you... that is not the next Camaro!"). We need to let the pro's do their job. It's fine and great they are looking for enthusiast input - but ultimately, it should be their creation... and anyone in the enthusiast community who is disappointed with their favorite idea being declined, should not have a hissy fit in response. Not saying you are doing that - but I have seen it happen.
97 Grand Prix GTP a coveted work of art?

We each have our own opinions, I suppose.
I can understand the biases of some, to reject this notion, for any car that's not a 2-door RWD coupe. But facts are facts. The 97+ Prix was a phenomenal success for Pontiac. Grand Prix sales skyrocketed up over 60% that year, and an entire aftermarket of trim and performance parts blossomed for the car.

The Accord has been a phenomenal success for Honda, but I wouldn't call it a coveted work of art. Speaking of bias, is it safe to assume that you own or owned a 97+ GTP?

That would be the message I'm trying to get across. Bias or not.

Bob

PS...I'm quite glad GM solicited user (and especially enthusiast) input for the new Camaro.

Look closely. The outer rings on Bumblebee's lamps appear to mimick irises just like the character in the movie. Anyone that thinks they're a hint of what is going on the production version is reading too much into it.

Ive been told the production headlamps are not far off the Halo/projector style on the concept . The big halogen mustang type reflector headlamps used in the real bumblebee movie car are what I wouldnt read to much into .

I love how scott gives us information without giving us information.

true genious!

So you would have given the green light to the front end of the Pontiac Aztec despite the fact that it was uglier than a monkees butt?

You've got your logic wrong! Aztec went through clinics. Lutz is saying to ignore 'most of the information of the clinics' and to 'trust your design instincts' more.

There is a role for the marketing dept in a car company and clinics are not the be all and end all for a successful product.

You've got your logic wrong! Aztec went through clinics. Lutz is saying to ignore 'most of the information of the clinics' and to 'trust your design instincts' more.

There is a role for the marketing dept in a car company and clinics are not the be all and end all for a successful product.

I don't have my logic wrong. GM has made too many mistakes by just thowing a product out there expecting people to just buy it. The idea of the Aztec is good. The idea of the first generation Chevy Avalanche was good. Both vehicles suffered from 'the uglies' and I believe more interaction with the target market prior to the green light would have in the long run, made GM millions of dollars on those two vehicles.

The Aztec was replaced with something which is selling very well (Torrent) and the latest Avalanches are drop dead gorgeous. The changes were made because of market response to the product, not Lutz saying to ignore the end user.

As for the GTP, I am glad you like it and I am thrilled that GM is making money of it (if your stats are correct) but it isn't the first car at GM I'd be buying in that price range.

I love how scott gives us information without giving us information.

true genious!

I agree. After torturing us for 2-3 years about the 5th gen, I say we think of some way to get payback after all the products are finally out there. ;) Who has the whipped cream.....

Look closely. The outer rings on Bumblebee's lamps appear to mimick irises just like the character in the movie. Anyone that thinks they're a hint of what is going on the production version is reading too much into it.

I don't understand what you're saying. The bumblebee in the movie didn't have lamps like the one I am referring to. My fear all along is that the production lights would be exactly like those in the movie:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/trans3.jpg

The newest pics of that other bumblebee that I linked to in my last post are different than both the movie car and the silver/red concept lights from my perspective. There's a halogen bulb as the main light, instead of LEDs, and it isn't all one halogen assembly like the movie car. Please educate me if I'm wrong, providing pics. ;)

I don't understand what you're saying. The bumblebee in the movie didn't have lamps like the one I am referring to. My fear all along is that the production lights would be exactly like those in the movie:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/trans3.jpg

The newest pics of that other bumblebee that I linked to in my last post are different than both the movie car and the silver/red concept lights from my perspective. There's a halogen bulb as the main light, instead of LEDs, and it isn't all one halogen assembly like the movie car. Please educate me if I'm wrong, providing pics. ;)Look at close up of the show car again please. :rolleyes:

Ive been told the production headlamps are not far off the Halo/projector style on the concept . The big halogen mustang type reflector headlamps used in the real bumblebee movie car are what I wouldnt read to much into .The bumble show car is not the concept. :rolleyes:

Look at close up of the show car again please. :rolleyes:

I see a round halogen lamp in the middle. Is that not what it is? I could be wrong, but I'm saying that there have been three different "in a somewhat finished condition" looking headlamp setups on new Camaros: the silver/red concept type with LEDs in the middle, the Bumblebee movie car with a halogen assembly taking up the entire space, and the newest Bumblebee show car that is sort of a combination of the previous two.

Again, educate me with pictures.

EDITED: ..to remove some non-productive comments... and an eye-roll.

So you would have given the green light to the front end of the Pontiac Aztec despite the fact that it was uglier than a monkees butt?


Part of the problem with Aztek is that people LISTENED to people in focus groups -- and took it for gospel!

That is the frustrating part of product planning --

That's why I say you have to listen to your gut sometimes - - and that answer CAN be "what do trusted enthusiasts think?" (note I said "trusted')

(and thank you for the kind words, Hylton, in your post a few later! I DO try as do all of us on the Camaro project!)

GM is back!!! The GM brass held true to their promise and kept the new Camaro very close to the jawdropping concept car. The Camaro is the reason I went to college! I finally have my first real job and I'm already saving! Thanks to Scott and to everyone at GM that had a hand in the creation of this car. The only thing I don't like are those doorhandles. Scott, can you work you magic again and get those cleaned up a little. I know the concept's doorhandles are unrealistic, but maybe something like the C6's door handles would help the lines flow better. Just my 2 cents. Counting down the months!!!:)

The bumble show car is not the concept. :rolleyes:

...tooo which Im fully aware . I never insinuated it was :rolleyes:

The bumble show car is not the concept. :rolleyes:

not true

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5113916&postcount=16

Surprise, surprise!

You are looking at Bumblebee #3!

This Bumblebee was the original Silver "Foam" model that was sent to Australia for the Engineering team to use. It traveled to several international shows -- then was shipped to China for a show there -- where someone really did a poor job painting him!

We brought him back to GM Design -- and had him stripped and repainted in the true Bumblebee Color (which, by the way is called "Sunrise" and is manufactured by Valspar......)

That's why his paint job is perfect -- and why he has a set of aluminum wheels........

Part of the problem with Aztek is that people LISTENED to people in focus groups -- and took it for gospel!

That is the frustrating part of product planning --

That's why I say you have to listen to your gut sometimes - - and that answer CAN be "what do trusted enthusiasts think?" (note I said "trusted')


AMEN SCOTT! Could not agree more with that statement! Don't ask me how I know... ;)

Scott, now that it has been ok'd for the camo to be removed, is there any word on a date for advertising, releasing colors, or when we will be able to order? Also, would you want to adopt a 24 year old son?: I love F-bodies!...haha:bow:

what is the typical preorder timetable? Ive never ordered a new car before, let alone one that hasnt come out yet. I expect to see the production version at the Indy gatehring in Sept and then sometime after that place my order.

No, that opening is for the red Knight Rider light. :p

Is that front facia ram air opening functional? Or is it just a moulding? Just want to know if I should go out an buy a sawzall or not. :D

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Camaro sometime next year in Finland. Too bad it will be extremely expensive, due to the car taxes imposed on vehicles with V8 engines by the government.

Scott, if you need a big Camaro enthusiast to test the pre-production car in the frozen north, I'm your man.!

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Camaro sometime next year in Finland. Too bad it will be extremely expensive, due to the car taxes imposed on vehicles with V8 engines by the government.

Scott, if you need a big Camaro enthusiast to test the pre-production car in the frozen north, I'm your man.!

It will be priced competively. GT500's are extremely expensive. Z06's are extremely expensive. This will be within reach of the general public. If it wasn't, the car would fail.

No, that opening is for the red Knight Rider light. :p


Sadly Kitt is now a mmm mmmuuuu mustang :confused:

It will be priced competively. GT500's are extremely expensive. Z06's are extremely expensive. This will be within reach of the general public. If it wasn't, the car would fail.

I think the guy was talking about the taxes on V8's in Finland not the US. :shrug:

It will be priced competively. GT500's are extremely expensive. Z06's are extremely expensive. This will be within reach of the general public. If it wasn't, the car would fail.

GT500's are extremely expensive for what little you get. Z06's are a bargain.

I found these new pics of a black 5th gen in Detroit testing. It looks much better than the white shot that has been posted everywhere.

http://jalopnik.com/355459/2009-chevy-camaro-caught-in-winter-wonderland-of-detroit-still-blurry

I found these new pics of a black 5th gen in Detroit testing. It looks much better than the white shot that has been posted everywhere.

http://jalopnik.com/355459/2009-chevy-camaro-caught-in-winter-wonderland-of-detroit-still-blurry


that shot isn't really doing it for me :( the back half looks fat from that angle...

that shot isn't really doing it for me :( the back half looks fat from that angle...

You must think the Vettes have a fat back half.

I think the guy was talking about the taxes on V8's in Finland not the US. :shrug:

That's exactly what I'm referring to. Currently a 300C Hemi goes for 70,000 euro's,/ $110,000 USD. Using that as a reference point,
a Z28 will run at least that amount here.
A new Corvette will set you back 110,000 euro's, $150,000 here
in Finland. Only the wealthy can afford these type of cars.

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#1. Weight -- (and we all know how many people on this site feel about weight!)


One big concern I have out the new car is weight! I haven't come across numbers yet, so can you give an estimate what the scales will read for a V8 6spd hardtop version?

One big concern I have out the new car is weight! I haven't come across numbers yet, so can you give an estimate what the scales will read for a V8 6spd hardtop version?

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Scott can't comment on that. It'll be as light as they can make it while still meeting all of the other criteria it needs to meet (crash safety standards, for example).

I'm optimistic that the car will tip the scales to around 3700lbs. There are many here who are less optimistic than I am, but I'm 99% sure that it will come in lighter than the G8, which weighs 3946lbs.

Wait, KITT is a mustang. Damn....Which vehicle will the tow-truck be????? Prob. a transforming chevy. Never mind this post.

What happen to the good ol' days of the Camaro weighing in at 3250 lbs???

Hmm...CF will be way too expensive! It would look sick though :eek:

I guess we could always "rice" them out and pull the seats and panels off....NOT!