GTR Numbers!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124017?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1

We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. Keep your foot pinned, and after another tap on the upshift paddle it will clear the quarter-mile in 11.6 seconds at more than 120 mph.

:eek:

The best engine for the money,
for Corvette Z06 money.
at least 473 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque
:think:
473>505 :confused:

:think:
473>505 :confused:

It apparently is. Despite weighing 600 pounds more, it's only 1 mph behind the Z06 in trap speed.

It's the same sort of thing with the BMW turbo 6, whose 300 horsepower is much stronger than the 304-330 in the competition's NA 3.5-3.7l V6s.

I wonder how long it will be before turbos are all but universal in performance cars.

Cant argue with the numbers, that car is fast.

What's the fuel efficiency?

It's definitely fast and quick. I can't see the need to claim victory over the Z06 and Viper though. They both have higher trap speeds by 3-4 mph, and adding a drag tire only widens the gap in E/T's negating the AWD launch of the GTR.

Plus, we've yet to see them tested back to back at the same road course, although I'm sure it will be more than capable of slightly besting the Z06, but the 600 hp Viper is beastly and not an easy kill.

They've only proven the car is the real deal to be considered a contender for bragging rights.

Wow, sounds like an impressive car. I do have to question the HP rating though. The car just seems more powerful than Nissan is saying. What I am wondering is if that rating is just for the Japanese market? Don't they have 'HP limits' on cars? Could it be that Nissan is trying to appease government regulations and is underrating the car (by a serious margin)? Perhaps the US cars will get the true HP rating.

What's the fuel efficiency?
I don't think anyone who buys a GTR is concerned with the fuel economy... who cares! :p

That is one of the last factors you would compare in a car of this class. If I had to guess... probably something like 15/20.

Still not fast enough to outrace it's ugliness!

Still not fast enough to outrace it's ugliness!

Bingo. It could have 800HP and cost $40,000--still not interested. Definitely one of the ugliest things on the planet.

Don't they have 'HP limits' on cars?

They used to, but that is now a thing of the past.

The Corvette Z06 isn't even close. Once impressive, its 4.1-second 0-60-mph run and 12-second quarter-mile at 121.8 mph are now well off the pace, which is why Chevy is creating the supercharged Corvette ZR1

Thats a terrible comment right there. What kind of monkey rights off saying performance like that isnt even impressive? :rolleyes:

Firstly, mags like Car & Driver got a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds at Milford proving grounds, and got a 1/4 pass of 11.7@125.

Compared to the GTR's 0-60 of 3.3 seconds and edmunds attempt at a 1/4 with 11.6@120.9mph and it actually DOES make sense.

The car makes roughly 480hp, it accelerates like a bat out of ****, but the added weight and lower output give it a great ET, but a slightly slower trap speed.

...And can I just say in the article, the Japanese guy that owns the car (smiling in the photos) looks like the happiest guy alive? Aside from how goofy happy he looks, thats the real tell-tale about this car. Its a grin maker. :D

Thats a terrible comment right there. What kind of monkey rights off saying performance like that isnt even impressive? :rolleyes:

Heh, even better, some drone on the interwebs will echo that comment and say they dont consider 12 second cars fast, despite being 4 seconds faster than your average crapbox.

Still not fast enough to outrace it's ugliness!

:D So true.

We finally get some solid performance numbers from a full editorial test, and we find out it's a damn fast car, and look at the responses this thread is mostly garnering. Excuses, disbelief, and personal justifications for why the car still sucks.

I'm not a big fan of the GT-R, personally. I think I'd rather have the simpler formula of the Vette... I suspect the GT-R could be a very expensive car to drive into the higher mileage. But that doesn't stop me from at least recognizing and respecting that Nissan did a DAMN good job putting this car together and it presents some serious competition for the Z06 - a car which at one point was said to be the best on-paper all around performance available for under 200 grand.

Its funny how now that the numbers are posted all thats left is "its ugly." Some of yall are just plain haters!

You cannot dispute that this car is impressive. You have a 4 passengers, all wheel drive car, with a trunk that rivals Z06 performance at a Z06 price. You could concievably have this as your only automobile, and drive it year round in just about any climate condition assuming you have a 2nd set of wheels with some all season/snow tires.

One thing to keep in mind is that Edmunds always has the slowest acceleration numbers. I'm not sure on what surface and what launching techniques they use, but they always tend to be slower than the other big publications. The fact that they used Nissan's launch control for this test definately gives the GTR an edge on acceleration numbers compared to the competition. Eitherway you cut it, an 11 second et with a 120 mph trap speed is not slow.

Impressive number. They seem high for that amount of HP. I also wonder what fuel economy is. Not because buyer will care, but to see if they geared the hell out of it.

I can't wait until the first Z06 vs. GTR race in the REAL WORLD. Of course by the time the GTR is out the ZR1 will only be a few months away.

I'll wait for a test between this car, the Viper, Z06, whatever Porsche and Ferrari want to throw in, on a track with turns on it. The Z06 is still much faster in a straight line.

It's definitely fast and quick. I can't see the need to claim victory over the Z06 and Viper though. They both have higher trap speeds by 3-4 mph, and adding a drag tire only widens the gap in E/T's negating the AWD launch of the GTR.

Plus, we've yet to see them tested back to back at the same road course, although I'm sure it will be more than capable of slightly besting the Z06, but the 600 hp Viper is beastly and not an easy kill.

They've only proven the car is the real deal to be considered a contender for bragging rights.

No they don't have 3-4 mph more trap speed. Looks like 1 mph in this test.

...with a trunk that rivals Z06 performance at a Z06 price.

I think the GTR's trunk is actually bigger, but I'm not sure. I know the truck on the R34 was pretty freakin big too.


One thing to keep in mind is that Edmunds always has the slowest acceleration numbers...The fact that they used Nissan's launch control for this test definately gives the GTR an edge on acceleration numbers compared to the competition. Eitherway you cut it, an 11 second et with a 120 mph trap speed is not slow.

Not slow at all. Though the launch control *should* make the launches more consistent from magazine to magazine, which is why i just tossed out the 0-60 time of the Z06 but kept the GTR one. The numbers make sense though - a DSM putting out 400hp against a C5 Z06 would trash it off the line, but by the end of the quarter pass they'd be either even or the Z06 would be in the lead. Here we have a heavier car that can really shoot out of the hole - and enough power to keep it so it doesnt fall behind the lighter, higher output car.

I'm guessing they will both perform very nearly equally on a given day, so its going to be a very very tight competition when they do get head to head.

And in terms of hating on the looks, these are sports cars - and looks play a huge part of it. Personally I like the 350Z's portions - and a wider 350Z at only a tiny bit taller would look really insane in person.

No they don't have 3-4 mph more trap speed. Looks like 1 mph in this test.
Z06 traps 125-126 MPH

Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0512_exotic_sport_coupes_comparison/specs_price.html)

Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/9991/chevrolet-corvette-z06-page4.html)


Go away troll

X2. I completely agree. And truthfully, looking at a 98+ Camaro to this car, the Camaro is ugly.

Its funny how now that the numbers are posted all thats left is "its ugly." Some of yall are just plain haters!

You cannot dispute that this car is impressive. You have a 4 passengers, all wheel drive car, with a trunk that rivals Z06 performance at a Z06 price. You could concievably have this as your only automobile, and drive it year round in just about any climate condition assuming you have a 2nd set of wheels with some all season/snow tires.

One thing to keep in mind is that Edmunds always has the slowest acceleration numbers. I'm not sure on what surface and what launching techniques they use, but they always tend to be slower than the other big publications. The fact that they used Nissan's launch control for this test definately gives the GTR an edge on acceleration numbers compared to the competition. Eitherway you cut it, an 11 second et with a 120 mph trap speed is not slow.

Wow, sounds like an impressive car. I do have to question the HP rating though. The car just seems more powerful than Nissan is saying.

http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html

475 HP to the wheels. Let the bitching begin :p

Z06 traps 125-126 MPH

Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0512_exotic_sport_coupes_comparison/specs_price.html)

Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/9991/chevrolet-corvette-z06-page4.html)


Go away troll


Not in the same MAGAZINE. It was only 1 mph different with Edmunds tests. Why don't you wait till the other magazines test it. And btw, I am long from a troll. Been here almost 10 years. :rolleyes:

Not in the same MAGAZINE. It was only 1 mph different with Edmunds tests. Why don't you wait till the other magazines test it. And btw, I am long from a troll. Been here almost 10 years. :rolleyes:
10 years too long.

Edmunds went even faster in the Viper than Motor Trend did :confused:

10 years too long.

Edmunds went even faster in the Viper than Motor Trend did :confused:

I don't give a crap what edmunds did with the viper vs MT. I want to see the comparisons with the same equipment via the same magazine.

MT vs MT results, C&D vs C&D results, Edmunds vs Edmunds.

EOD.

Edmunds went even faster in the Viper than Motor Trend did :confused:

Please tell me you aren't comparing Edmunds' test of the 600hp 2008 Dodge Viper and the 11.8 they pulled off with it to Motor Trend's test of the 510hp 2006 Dodge Viper and the 12.0 they pulled of with it.

http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html

475 HP to the wheels. Let the bitching begin :p

So did Edmunds test the Japanses version or the American version? I'd expect those numbers from a 575HP version of the car, but not a 473HP version. It look like what edmunds tested isn't what Americans will get.

So did Edmunds test the Japanses version or the American version?

Watch the video, it's pretty sweet. But it's the right hand drive Japan version.

Please tell me you aren't comparing Edmunds' test of the 600hp 2008 Dodge Viper and the 11.8 they pulled off with it to Motor Trend's test of the 510hp 2006 Dodge Viper and the 12.0 they pulled of with it.

Yea, I just looked through the article real quick and they said "The last Viper they tested" :(

10 years too long.

Edmunds went even faster in the Viper than Motor Trend did :confused:


Edmunds is always slow. . . check out their comparison of a 2005 LS2 GTO and 2005 STI.

Both cars ran ~14.0 !!!

http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html

475 HP to the wheels. Let the bitching begin :p
http://img01.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserDiary/7131025/P1.jpg

At the 'hubs'

:D

It looks like the GTR will be in the ballpark of the Viper, Z06, and Porsche. A head to head comparison still will have to be done.

I'm wondering what kind of price and performance will come with the ZR1 once it's out.

Edmunds is always slow. . . check out their comparison of a 2005 LS2 GTO and 2005 STI.

Both cars ran ~14.0 !!!
Edmunds is a joke in general.

That's awefully dang impressive no matter how you look at it. 3.3 second 0-60 is incredible for a car at this price, as long as the drivetrain lives to hold up to hard launches.

11.6@120 shows that this car is making big power. We'll just have to see how the handling ends up next to the other "bang for the buck" super cars like the Z06, Viper, Porsche...

I'm also reserving judgement until a production US vehicle is tested and we understand exactly what is coming here in the US.

Dan

look how slow they tested these typically low 13 second cars:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=105773/pageId=63966

I'm not saying this GTR is 1 second slower than what a real world driver will run, but I'm willing to bet it's slower, just as the Z06 they tested was *slow* at 12.X @121mph.

Not in the same MAGAZINE. It was only 1 mph different with Edmunds tests. Why don't you wait till the other magazines test it. And btw, I am long from a troll. Been here almost 10 years. :rolleyes:

Ehhh, the Z06 is a beast to get off the line due to only being RWD; so different mags will typically get different results based on how they get off the line.

I expect the GTR to stay about the same as the launch is MUCH easier on an AWD car.

I don't expect really any gains from better drivers on this car (GTR); whereas the RWD vehicles take a little bit more skill...and do typically get better results with better drivers.

On the street, GTR gets the Z06 out of the hole, Z06 passes at around the 1/4 mile mark and will own it on up from there; no question.

We finally get some solid performance numbers from a full editorial test, and we find out it's a damn fast car, and look at the responses this thread is mostly garnering. Excuses, disbelief, and personal justifications for why the car still sucks."Find out" it's fast? Did anyone not think it would be? Everyone who's read anything (however accurate or internet bloated) about this car expected it to run in the 3.x 0-60 and 11.x in the 1/4 mile. Awd gives you launches like that.

If it runs 125+ mph trap speeds like the Z06, I'll be shocked. Or, maybe not, considering the evidence is mounting that the car is severely underrated. :rolleyes:I'm not a big fan of the GT-R, personally. I think I'd rather have the simpler formula of the Vette... I suspect the GT-R could be a very expensive car to drive into the higher mileage. But that doesn't stop me from at least recognizing and respecting that Nissan did a DAMN good job putting this car together and it presents some serious competition for the Z06 - a car which at one point was said to be the best on-paper all around performance available for under 200 grand.I'd say there are a good number of people in the forum who recognize that Nissan has created quite a formidible car. Two problems, though. 1) Many have issues with the styling. Even those writing articles about the car flat out say it isn't pretty, but it looks "Japanese" ( :think: ) and "aggressive"... 2) Many people react the way they do because they got sick of the absurd amount of hype about the car (note that the 600+ hp ZR1 has received nowhere near the godly levels of pre-release worship that this damn thing has). When the "Z06 killer" tags were being bandied about, everyone was still running on the 480 hp (flywheel) number and the 3700-3900 lb weight estimates. Which, at those numbers, the idea of killing a Z06 is a little crazy. But, if the car is making 480 at the wheels (565+ hp at the crank), it becomes easier to see it taking on the Z06 (therefore making the car more impressive).

Oh, and Steve0, I'm not sure I'd call it a 4 passenger car. The 911 also has rear "seats" but it is basically physically impossible for a human to sit in them, unless they be very very young (or legless). I haven't seen numbers for the GT-R back seat, but in photos it looks as bad or worse than the back of an F-car...I'm also guessing that the Corvette hatch will hold more stuff than the trunk on the GT-R (not that such would be a primary consideration for a vehicle like this).

Bottom line, the car is impressive, high tech, and fast. It also is questionably styled (imo) and seems to be quite underrated based on the vehicle's weight and the numbers it is generating.

But no question Nissan has created a serious performance machine. Like you, though, it isn't exactly my style...

:shrug:

Ehhh, the Z06 is a beast to get off the line due to only being RWD; so different mags will typically get different results based on how they get off the line.


Exactly what I was thinking.

AWD is easier to get consistant ET's if you are willing to beat on the drivetrain. RWD takes much more finess, especially with the output of the LS7.

Dan

hmmmm....I'll take one in black.

Exactly what I was thinking.

AWD is easier to get consistant ET's if you are willing to beat on the drivetrain. RWD takes much more finess, especially with the output of the LS7.

Dan

Eliminate the AWD and put a nice set of slicks on it and it would really scream. The added weight due to the AWD is going to make it a holeshot machine; but it'll hinder it after that.

Of course i'm a drag guy not a road course guy so I could care less about the handling side of things... ;)

Two problems, though. 1) Many have issues with the styling. Even those writing articles about the car flat out say it isn't pretty, but it looks "Japanese" ( :think: ) and "aggressive"... 2) Many people react the way they do because they got sick of the absurd amount of hype about the car (note that the 600+ hp ZR1 has received nowhere near the godly levels of pre-release worship that this damn thing has). When the "Z06 killer" tags were being bandied about, everyone was still running on the 480 hp (flywheel) number and the 3700-3900 lb weight estimates. Which, at those numbers, the idea of killing a Z06 is a little crazy. But, if the car is making 480 at the wheels (565+ hp at the crank), it becomes easier to see it taking on the Z06 (therefore making the car more impressive).

Exactly.

I never said that, as a technical accomplishment, the car was not impressive. So is a modern HD camcorder.

However, it would have been nice if the car hadn't been styled by a committee of LSD-addled first-year design-school dropouts. Sorry, guys, this is important.

And, judging from the amount of hype this car has gotten, it looks like the owners will be giving Porsche drivers a run for the Dickheads of the Year award.

That said, let's wait for the track.

I expect the GTR to stay about the same as the launch is MUCH easier on an AWD car.


Eh, the more probable reason for why the GTR will be consistent is that there is a launch control feature.

http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/R35-Dyno-t20782.html

475 HP to the wheels. Let the bitching begin :p

Yeah I have seen that but was that a purchased car, was it Japanese or US spec? Why is Nissan saying 480 hp and obviously the car dynoed has much more power at the flywheel.

I am just confused at this point.

It amazes me how so many get their panties in a wad about a car that they'll likely never see on the road and even more likely, not be able to actually buy one (assuming they wanted one and had the $$$ to buy it).

I propose at least a two month moratorium on any further posts about the GT-R and even after that, any post should have to pass through a committee to decide it there is actualy something new/relavant enough to justify a new post.

3.3 seconds to 60 mph???! :eek:

Forget Viper & Z06..... has anyone realized this is perhaps the quickest regular production car in the world.....with a back seat?!

3.3 seconds to 60 mph???! :eek:

Forget Viper & Z06..... has anyone realized this is perhaps the quickest regular production car in the world.....with a back seat?!

Well up until now the Bently Conti GT had that record. I would personally go with the Bently, I think it is just about the best looking 2 door coupe on the planet.

3.3 seconds to 60 mph???! :eek:

Forget Viper & Z06..... has anyone realized this is perhaps the quickest regular production car in the world.....with a back seat?!

Somehow the AWD seems to invalidate the great 0-60 time in some people's minds.

They get the "yeah but slap a supercharger on an LS1 and it'll beat the Cobra" mentality by suggesting drag radials and slicks on the Viper or Z06.

The GT-R can do this in factory trim with tires that won't likely send you in a ditch at the slightest hint of rain.

And, judging from the amount of hype this car has gotten, it looks like the owners will be giving Porsche drivers a run for the Dickheads of the Year award.


Technical credentials aside, this is quite an accomplishment.

;)

Where's the 10 second bone stock timeslip? The Vette has one ;)

Where's the 10 second bone stock timeslip? The Vette has one ;)

And what does that mean in the real world?

:thumb: to Nissan for living up to the hype and coming through with a great car that seems to do pretty much everything well. :p

And it's actually pretty attractive in person. I thought it was hideous too but they had it at the Int. Car show a couple of weeks ago and I really liked it.

It's nice that the 149mph trap has finally been debunked ;).
But, maybe it's just me - I'm sooooo tired of hearing about the "GTR"!

i'd take it over a Z06.

Motor Trend
First Test: 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo
The 24/7 Supercar: Just your average, everyday, 480-horsepower, AWD missile that gives a lot and asks little in return.
By Kim Reynolds
Photography by John Kiewicz

When the numbers start to appear on my laptop's screen, I take a step back. Zero to 60 in 3.2 seconds, the quarter in 11.4 at 120.5 mph.Porsche has more than a few ponies in the stable...
The above GTr numbers are impressive...it seems more of a traction war than HP war at that level.

Porsche has more than a few ponies in the stable...

And while Team Corvette wont want to take getting beaten by the GTR sitting down, they may not have a choice.

On the other hand - you know Porsche is going to be going back after the GTR like Germans go after Poland.

But yeah, traction is more of a consideration than HP now.

I'd be willing to bet MotorTrend will get a lower ET on this car in their test.

Impressive numbers. I love domestics but its hard to ignore the numbers this car puts out. 0-60 in 3.3 secs and $70,000....wow.

Everyone mentions the launch control, but not the fact that this car has what is basically an automatic transmission. I hate driving stick, so I'm not downing the DCT, I'm saying that there won't be much differentiation in the auto rags performance #'s, as there is with a 6spd-only Z06.

The idea of this car being faster than the Z06 absolutely kills me, because its such a tremendous pig, but I can accept fact.

It's amazing that Nissan's 480hp supercar puts more power down through AWD, than Chevy puts down with its RWD Supercar at 505...

Not sure how the laws of physics are working for this car but it does seem to run great as a drag car or on a road course. Maybe the HP is underrated a bit or the all wheel drive system is really a technical wonder. It will make a great addtion to the magazines test fleets for what certainly be a great race with Z06's, Vipers, Turbo 911's and F430's this year.

The car looks quite a bit better in red than silver. IMO.

I don't give a crap what edmunds did with the viper vs MT. I want to see the comparisons with the same equipment via the same magazine.

MT vs MT results, C&D vs C&D results, Edmunds vs Edmunds.

EOD.

Don't you mean BOD (beginning of discussion)?

It's the driver, weather, and track that make the difference. Change those, and you'll get different results. The track will be especially important with cars like the Z06 that have far more power than they can easily get to the ground in 1st gear.

For power, I like to subtract the 0-60 time from the 0-100 time. By 60mph, you're no longer traction limited (mostly), so it's all power and aero.

Somehow the AWD seems to invalidate the great 0-60 time in some people's minds.

They get the "yeah but slap a supercharger on an LS1 and it'll beat the Cobra" mentality by suggesting drag radials and slicks on the Viper or Z06.

The GT-R can do this in factory trim with tires that won't likely send you in a ditch at the slightest hint of rain.

The AWD advantage cannot be denied, but the reality is most people run quicker 1/4's for both the Viper and Z06 than those posted by Edmunds. The OLD C5 Z06 ran low 12's on street tires all day by good drivers, the new one has 100 more hp. I just dislike the "killer" stigma attached to the car, when it hasn't been placed under the same conditions as these others for an all out comparo.

I'm going to smile when GT-R owners face off against a Vette from a roll and realizes its not its killer at all, but it'll be a war no doubt... The 600 hp Viper would destroy both from a roll.

I think both SRT and Chevy will be responding shortly and settle the pecking order between themselves soon.

That said, I like the car in red, looks brutal. :cool:

Again you can't compare what owners have done. No owners have run the GT-R yet, so that isn't a fair comparison. Just wait till they do, you might be surprised to see owners getting faster times.

The AWD advantage cannot be denied, but the reality is most people run quicker 1/4's for both the Viper and Z06 than those posted by Edmunds. The OLD C5 Z06 ran low 12's on street tires all day by good drivers, the new one has 100 more hp. I just dislike the "killer" stigma attached to the car, when it hasn't been placed under the same conditions as these others for an all out comparo.

I'm going to smile when GT-R owners face off against a Vette from a roll and realizes its not its killer at all, but it'll be a war no doubt... The 600 hp Viper would destroy both from a roll.

I think both SRT and Chevy will be responding shortly and settle the pecking order between themselves soon.

That said, I like the car in red, looks brutal. :cool:

Again you can't compare what owners have done. No owners have run the GT-R yet, so that isn't a fair comparison. Just wait till they do, you might be surprised to see owners getting faster times.

Oh I'm expecting them to.

This is modern warfare. ;)

Originally Posted by latinspice-94T/A:
I'm going to smile when GT-R owners face off against a Vette from a roll and realizes its not its killer at all, but it'll be a war no doubt... The 600 hp Viper would destroy both from a roll.
It'll be interesting no doubt, since turbo cars historically pull as hard from a roll as they do from a dead stop. Remember the mid '90's DSM Eclipse's, they killed quite a few giants off the line with a small 4cyl(turbo).
Porsche not going to go down easy tho...

Originally Posted by Russ99TA:Again you can't compare what owners have done. No owners have run the GT-R yet, so that isn't a fair comparison. Just wait till they do, you might be surprised to see owners getting faster times.
Or slower depending(..see superbikes..)...But once we start seeing "tuners" getting their hands on them, and playing with programming, and modding them...I expect we'll see a lot of faster times...but maybe a lot of broken parts too.;)

It'll be interesting no doubt, since turbo cars historically pull as hard from a roll as they do from a dead stop. Remember the mid '90's DSM Eclipse's, they killed quite a few giants off the line with a small 4cyl(turbo).
Porsche not going to go down easy tho...


Or slower depending(..see superbikes..)...But once we start seeing "tuners" getting their hands on them, and playing with programming, and modding them...I expect we'll see a lot of faster times...but maybe a lot of broken parts too.;)

I was under the impression the the GT-R had an "uncrackable" ecu? I very well could be wrong but thats what i thought.

The AWD advantage cannot be denied, but ... from a roll ... from a roll.

And so it begins.

I feel like we're back in the days of DSMs vs Mustangs or Vettes vs Supras.:p

And so it begins.

I feel like we're back in the days of DSMs vs Mustangs or Vettes vs Supras.:p

It makes discussions fun.

:p

Plus, from a roll....

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/motoring-news/story/godzilla_on_a_diet/

Nissan GT-R goes on a diet!

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/motoring-news/story/godzilla_on_a_diet/

Nissan GT-R goes on a diet!

So no more power for the Spec-V, remove the rear seats and a few luxury items. Will that save an appreciable amount of weight or is it more for the idea of it being a 'pure race car'? Not trying to slam the car I just want to know.

Originally Posted by KyleW93z:
I was under the impression the the GT-R had an "uncrackable" ecu? I very well could be wrong but thats what i thought.Yeah, I remember when the said that about the X-Box games, it wasn't a couple of months until it was cracked and game copies were floating around everywhere...hackers live for challenges like that.

The V-Spec cars will be exclusive; only 20 to 30 a month will be made; and punitively expensive. Nissan sources suggest it will carry a price premium of more than 50 per cent over the standard model. That would mean about $225,000 should it come to Australia.[/U].

So we're talking [globally] at most 360 cars a year. Thats LIMITED.

That would mean about $225,000 should it come to Australia

If thats a real number, thats $193,000 US.

If its only a 50% increase in price, thats still over $100,000. Why not increase power? If the engine is so well built (as we assume it is) why not up the boost a few psi? Cause for that price you've jumped and are now against the ZR1 Corvette...

So we're talking [globally] at most 360 cars a year. Thats LIMITED.

If thats a real number, thats $193,000 US.

If its only a 50% increase in price, thats still over $100,000. Why not increase power? If the engine is so well built (as we assume it is) why not up the boost a few psi? Cause for that price you've jumped and are now against the ZR1 Corvette...
The MSRP for the car will likely never be that high in the U.S. The price it actually takes to buy one - wouldn't surprise if it's well north of that figure.

These cars (any GT-R) will be very, very hard to come by, which is one of its most attractive features as far as I'm concerned but as always, exclusitivity has its price.

The likely aren't going to boost the psi much - remember these cars will be under warranty. What the consumer wants to do is up to them.

If the GT-R beat up the Z06 with 480 HP and weighing ~3800 lbs, that would REALLY be impressive. Since day 1, I've been skeptical of EVERYTHING to do with the GT-R. Every piece of "evidence" and "PROOF" has been botched, skewed, debunked, you name it. Nissan's own Chief Engineer has been quoted and mis-quoted (basically, two opposing statements from the same person, on the same subject, ie: tires used, etc.).

Now we hear the car is putting ~480 HP at the WHEELS!? ("hubs";)) ..... and again, at several more hundred pounds, runs "quicker" (time) and almost as "fast" (speed) as the Z06. This is becoming less and less "impressive", and more and more "expected". ~550 HP vs. ~505 HP, I would EXPECT those numbers. Congratulations Nissan :thumb:.

Do the same as you're doing with 480 flywheel HP, and I'll crap my pants. But "apparently" that's not the case. No kidding :rolleyes:.

This is why I hate Ricers. They "hype" the stupidest of things, and everyone gets completely hyped right along with the BS. I prefer the more cut & dried, real-world numbers we get from the domestics. Here's the car. Here's how much HP it makes. Here's what it runs. No "voo-doo" magic, breaking "laws of physics", and mis-communicated/falsified "FACTS" :shrug:.

And, judging from the amount of hype this car has gotten, it looks like the owners will be giving Porsche drivers a run for the Dickheads of the Year award.
You know, it's funny because it's true!!! ;)

Looking forward to seeing REAL WORLD tests. I fully EXPECT the GT-R to blow the Z06 away off the line, even with ONLY "480 HP". That's the beauty of AWD. A full "win" beyond that?? :rolleyes: Smoke and mirrors :cool:.

If the GT-R beat up the Z06 with 480 HP and weighing ~3800 lbs, that would REALLY be impressive. Since day 1, I've been skeptical of EVERYTHING to do with the GT-R. Every piece of "evidence" and "PROOF" has been botched, skewed, debunked, you name it. Nissan's own Chief Engineer has been quoted and mis-quoted (basically, two opposing statements from the same person, on the same subject, ie: tires used, etc.).

Now we hear the car is putting ~480 HP at the WHEELS!? ("hubs";)) ..... and again, at several more hundred pounds, runs "quicker" (time) and almost as "fast" (speed) as the Z06. This is becoming less and less "impressive", and more and more "expected". ~550 HP vs. ~505 HP, I would EXPECT those numbers. Congratulations Nissan :thumb:.

Do the same as you're doing with 480 flywheel HP, and I'll crap my pants. But "apparently" that's not the case. No kidding :rolleyes:.

This is why I hate Ricers. They "hype" the stupidest of things, and everyone gets completely hyped right along with the BS. I prefer the more cut & dried, real-world numbers we get from the domestics. Here's the car. Here's how much HP it makes. Here's what it runs. No "voo-doo" magic, breaking "laws of physics", and mis-communicated/falsified "FACTS" :shrug:.


You know, it's funny because it's true!!! ;)

Looking forward to seeing REAL WORLD tests. I fully EXPECT the GT-R to blow the Z06 away off the line, even with ONLY "480 HP". That's the beauty of AWD. A full "win" beyond that?? :rolleyes: Smoke and mirrors :cool:.


So the GT-R's performance for the dollar and engineering ceases to be impressive in your mind because the motor looks like it was under rated?

I don't see how expecting a car to whip ass at a low price point should change its impressiveness.

Everybody knew the Z06 was going to be an awesome car with its power to weight ratio - but I don't think that made it no longer impressive.

GM under rated the LS1 f-bodies by 50 horsepower or so. Was that smoke and mirrors and 'BS' too?

Or are you just trying to find something to complain about this car no matter what it takes?

This is why I hate Ricers. They "hype" the stupidest of things, and everyone gets completely hyped right along with the BS.
When all else fails, lets show your intelligence and start name-calling...yeah...that's the ticket! :tired:

It looks to me that the only voodoo magic going on here is being used to find ways to criticize the GT-R.

I don’t think Carlos or anyone else at Nissan is going to loose any sleep over not having “impressed” you.

So the GT-R's performance for the dollar and engineering ceases to be impressive in your mind because the motor looks like it was under rated?

I don't see how expecting a car to whip ass at a low price point should change its impressiveness.

Everybody knew the Z06 was going to be an awesome car with its power to weight ratio - but I don't think that made it no longer impressive.

Or are you just trying to find something to complain about this car no matter what it takes?
Yes, the car's performance is very impressive. Low 3's 0-60, 11-second 1/4 mile times, and ~7:38 around the 'Ring. Awesome. Phenomenal. And you're right, for the money? Not too shabby :thumb:. Is it a better all-round performer than the Z06?? Quite possibly, it may be :shrug:. But I'm tired of all the warped, twisted "facts" on the car. There are pages and pages worth of nonsense, trying to convince the majority of us here that this car accomplished all it did with merely 480 HP. It "seemed" out-of-this-world. But we were just supposed to put the blinders on, and take everything at face value?? :rolleyes:

Am I impressed/un-impressed by the GT-R? I still haven't decided 100%! ;) Is it a "Z06 killer"?? Well, it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison. At least with a 20 HP defecit, it "seems" impressive for the new-comer to beat the standing "champ", but with a 50 HP advantage, it takes away from wonder and amazement :shrug:.

GM under rated the LS1 f-bodies by 50 horsepower or so. Was that smoke and mirrors and 'BS' too?
We all know why they were under-rated (not to step on Corvette's toes). However, I would never DENY that the car in fact makes ~345 - 350 HP, and anyone who believes it only makes ~305 - 310 is living in denial ;). But really, there's nothing to "brag" about, beating a ~260 HP Mustang with a ~350 HP Camaro. We all do though, but I think it's more in jest (not "bragging") and to give incentive to step it up a notch, and try to compete.

Same thing happened between Z06 & Viper. Viper was a tough competitor, Z06 stepped it up a notch. Z06 became "king of the hill", Viper stepped it up. And now GM is answering with the new ZR1.

When all else fails, lets show your intelligence and start name-calling...yeah...that's the ticket! :tired:
I'm not trying to "name call" ... I'm referring to a behaviour, common of a certain group of car enthusiasts ;).

It looks to me that the only voodoo magic going on here is being used to find ways to criticize the GT-R.
I'm not trying to criticize the car. I'm criticizing the leg-humping going on, and "bragging" about how great a car is, for its ability to beat another car that has less HP.

I don’t think Carlos or anyone else at Nissan is going to loose any sleep over not having “impressed” you.
Probably not.

I don't give a crap what edmunds did with the viper vs MT. I want to see the comparisons with the same equipment via the same magazine.

MT vs MT results, C&D vs C&D results, Edmunds vs Edmunds.

EOD.

Well, if this is such a concern of yours, wouldn't you want both the cars that are being compared to have been tested together, at the same time, under the same weather conditions, etc? Something tells me that if the results were the other way around, you would cry foul.

By the way, you are most definetly a troll. You may have been registered for 10 years, but almost all of your posts have been in the last few months, and exclusively to the GTR threads.

X2. I completely agree. And truthfully, looking at a 98+ Camaro to this car, the Camaro is ugly.

This is a good example of a troll comment. No where was anyone talking about the Camaro, but you decided to interject with this statement in an obvious attempt to get people riled up here.

...I'm not trying to "name call" ... I'm referring to a behaviour, common of a certain group of car enthusiasts ;).

Point taken. The problem is that I think we all know that the term “ricer” is intended by most of those who use it be a derisive name; there are ways to identify a group without using a term that, on its face, is usually intended as an insult.

As to the behavior of certain groups, I’m sure we can all be pleased that those groups who will only buy a “Vette or only buy a Chevrolet or only buy “domestic” have no behavior patterns that anyone could find objectionable. :D

It’s a shame that car enthusiasts can’t just appreciate a car for what it is without getting into the “my Dad can beat up your Dad” sort of arguments that seem to arise; especially if the Corvette is perceived to be in any way threatened by the existence of another car – as good as the Corvette has been and is; it would be a hell of a dull world if our only choice for a performance car was the Corvette!

Well, if this is such a concern of yours, wouldn't you want both the cars that are being compared to have been tested together, at the same time, under the same weather conditions, etc? Something tells me that if the results were the other way around, you would cry foul.

By the way, you are most definetly a troll. You may have been registered for 10 years, but almost all of your posts have been in the last few months, and exclusively to the GTR threads.



This is a good example of a troll comment. No where was anyone talking about the Camaro, but you decided to interject with this statement in an obvious attempt to get people riled up here.


Because I purchased a TransAm which is better looking over a Camaro your calling me a troll? Grow up.

Because I purchased a TransAm which is better looking over a Camaro your calling me a troll? Grow up.
I'm not going to call you or anyone else a "troll" but your reading comprehension skills could use some polish...RussStang's comments didn't have anything to do with you owning a TransAm or Camaro or anything else; it had to do with the overwhelming majority of your posts coming at the end of your 81/2 years of being a member and all being about the GT-R; made even worse by the gyrations you’ve gone through to make your points (not to mention the name calling, etc.).

The GT-R is a great car…it doesn’t need your help to make it that way nor is shoving it down peoples throats on a Camaro/Chevy enthusiast site going to help anyone warm up to it.

I'm not going to call you or anyone else a "troll" but your reading comprehension skills could use some polish...RussStang's comments didn't have anything to do with you owning a TransAm or Camaro or anything else; it had to do with the overwhelming majority of your posts coming at the end of your 81/2 years of being a member and all being about the GT-R; made even worse by the gyrations you’ve gone through to make your points (not to mention the name calling, etc.).

The GT-R is a great car…it doesn’t need your help to make it that way nor is shoving it down peoples throats on a Camaro/Chevy enthusiast site going to help anyone warm up to it.

Your post is pointless. He won't read it. He would probably just tell you to grow up after your reading comprehension comment. I really, really doubt this guy is an adult. Gotta love the internet.

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/12/sunline-posts-2228-at-suzuka-with-r35.html



Tarzan Yamada drove the car to a 2:22.8 lap time. How does that compare to other cars at Suzuka ?

1. Ferrari F40 2:25.26 Best Motoring

2. Ferrari F50 2:26.52 Best Motoring

3. Porsche Carrera GT 2:28.42 “Best Motoring”

4. Porsche 993 GT2 2:29.148 “Best Motoring”

5. Porsche 993 Turbo (3.6) 2:31.165 Best Motoring

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/12/sunline-posts-2228-at-suzuka-with-r35.html



Tarzan Yamada drove the car to a 2:22.8 lap time. How does that compare to other cars at Suzuka ?

1. Ferrari F40 2:25.26 Best Motoring

2. Ferrari F50 2:26.52 Best Motoring

3. Porsche Carrera GT 2:28.42 “Best Motoring”

4. Porsche 993 GT2 2:29.148 “Best Motoring”

5. Porsche 993 Turbo (3.6) 2:31.165 Best Motoring


Those are all old models though. If I am not mistaken, the F430 runs a better lap time on just about every course it has been pitted against an F50.

Also, for the comparison to be better validated, shouldn't Tarzan Yamada have driven some of the cars in question? There is no known driver parity here.


Do you spend all day long looking up nothing but GTR information online?:lol:

Those are all old models though. If I am not mistaken, the F430 runs a better lap time on just about every course it has been pitted against an F50.

Also, for the comparison to be better validated, shouldn't Tarzan Yamada have driven some of the cars in question? There is no known driver parity here.


Do you spend all day long looking up nothing but GTR information online?:lol:


This section of this forum is about automobiles. If you don't like discussing other automobiles, please go somewhere else.

This section of this forum is about automobiles. If you don't like discussing other automobiles, please go somewhere else.

I am not really shocked that after taking a few days off the forums, I see this thread ending with a useless and pointless comment like this. You ignored the point of his comment (as usual) and simply moved on to make a childish response.

The point is, that information isn't consistent. A page ago you were complaining that you cannot compare the Z06 performance between one magazine and another - that they have to be from the same source.

And NOW you post information that does not properly correlate similar times, drivers, or similar conditions. Heck, I'd be willing to bet good money that the F40 was put on the track *years* before some of the other cars. So by your own requirements, the numbers are invalid.

Not to mention it supposedly puts the GTR 6 seconds faster than a Carrera GT. Not a 911... but the ultimate Porsche. And that I will not believe without substantial proof.

Not to mention it supposedly puts the GTR 6 seconds faster than a Carrera GT. Not a 911... but the ultimate Porsche. And that I will not believe without substantial proof.


What could be better proof than a random quote from the internet about a car not released to the general public and whose exposure is tightly monitored by the manufacturer?

Those are all old models though. If I am not mistaken, the F430 runs a better lap time on just about every course it has been pitted against an F50.

Also, for the comparison to be better validated, shouldn't Tarzan Yamada have driven some of the cars in question? There is no known driver parity here.


Do you spend all day long looking up nothing but GTR information online?:lol:

I just find it funny the driver's name is Tarzan. :p

This section of this forum is about automobiles. If you don't like discussing other automobiles, please go somewhere else.

:lol:

Another fine statement from EvilRuss.

:lol:

Wow, such cry babies.

Wow, such cry babies.

Bwha hahahahahhahahah.

Wow, such cry babies.

Russ99TA = 1
Car Enthusiasts over the world = 0

:rolleyes:

Does Russ99TA remind anyone else of redzed?

Does Russ99TA remind anyone else of redzed?

Does Russ99TA remind anyone else of redzed?

Yeah. Didn't Redzed have a hard on for Nissans? It has been awhile.

This is awesome. The Corvette Z06 does 4.5 seconds 0-60 and is now the SECOND fastest car in its price segment. Oh, but Chevy is coming out with something even faster for not all that much more money.

What a great time to be a sports enthusiast.

This is awesome. The Corvette Z06 does 4.5 seconds 0-60 and is now the SECOND fastest car in its price segment. Oh, but Chevy is coming out with something even faster for not all that much more money.

What a great time to be a sports enthusiast.4.5? Base C5s were running 4.5 0-60 times. C5 Z06s run 4.1-4.3 or so, as does the base C6.

C6 Z06 runs 0-60 in 3.5-3.8 (or 4.1 when the driver has trouble hooking up).

:cool:

This is awesome. The Corvette Z06 does 4.5 seconds 0-60 and is now the SECOND fastest car in its price segment. Oh, but Chevy is coming out with something even faster for not all that much more money.

What a great time to be a sports enthusiast.

This guy ran a 10.9 bone stock, on stock radials.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corvette-Timeslip-14084.html

Something tells me that if he netted that 1/4 mile time, he probably got the car to 60 faster than 4.5 seconds.

yo' teh gT-r iz teh koolist...i aksed fer 1 fer crhismas and sanna sayz i' get'n 1 an itz teh fastits kar evar!!!!!! :metal: ur my boy russ99ta!! :thumb:

The things that redzed would post, while ridiculous, had a little more basis in reality than what Russ posts.

so wait...im confused.(and dont feel like reading 7 pages of this BS :D

Edmunds used a JDM GT-R to do these tests with right? and it trapped over 120mph in the 1/4mile test? The last ting I had heard about the GT-R in Japan was that it was limited to 111 miles an hour unless it was on a track in japan. but yet they were at an airport :shrug:
It's no secret that Nissan's GT-R is a technological tour de force — its center-mounted LCD screen can display pretty much anything from lap times to g's pulled — but an interesting tidbit about the car's on board computer has come to light. In Japan, the car's GPS system can detect when the car has entered a race track and removes the electronically controlled top speed limiter. On public roads, the JDM GT-R is limited to a top speed of 111 mph.

However, the U.S.-spec GT-R will not have such integration with its GPS system. Instead, Nissan will increase the GT-R's top speed to 156 mph for the U.S. market.

No word if the illegally imported GT-Rs from Japan will recognize circuits in Europe.

basically what I am trying to get at is, other than the driver position and "top speed"; what , if any, differences will their be for the US version?
Will all of the electronics thatallow the car to drive itself be on the ones they bring here?

Sounds like it, except that the public limit will be 156mph.