Darren Harden is a CROOK!!

The purpose of this post is to make everyone aware of a predator that haunts our community in the Nashville, IN area. I have inside information to possibly one of the biggest scam artists ever to grace these boards. As such, my Identity will remain shielded. This post will be based on nothing but fact. I will not allow my own personal feelings to jeopardize the integrity of what I am about to say. Moderators and Administrators, before you delete this thread PLEASE read it in full and try to understand that the intent is to protect another unsuspecting member of our community from making a grave mistake with the party in question. This IS NOT SPAM and every bit of information within is fact and can be proven.

I have known Darren harden for quite a while. Some of you may know him as Doug Harden’s son. In the past both have proven to be good friends and worthwhile bases of knowledge for our local community. Within the past few years something has gone horribly wrong and Darren Harden has turned into what I would deem a habitual liar and thief. There are numerous people that have been ripped off by this scam artist, including some of his closest friends. What I am going to share with you are just a few select examples of Darren Harden stealing money, automotive parts and perhaps even vehicles from members of this very community.

I will begin with letting the cat out of the bag with the situation that lead to this post. Darren Harden was tasked to work on one of my friend’s cars (Mack on some boards) Mack has specifically asked me not to post this- but I simply cannot hold back any longer and I am sure you will all agree with my urgency when you read the story. (sorry Mack if you see this). Mack is a real easy going person and he bought his red IROC Camaro as a treat to himself after college. He tediously looked for a low mileage car of that year and color- this was his baby. He took care of this thing like it was a kid. It was kept simply immaculate- you could eat off any part of this car. Mack gets the itch for some more power, and consults one of his long time friends- Darren Harden. Mack specs out everything for a total and complete engine rebuild from the ground up including a new block. He goes over the specs with Darren and they decide to give the project a green light. Mack buys many of the parts and gives them to Darren, and also paid him upfront for the future work Darren would be doing on his car. We are talking about some big dollar items here- Diamond pistons, AFR heads, etc. Darren is tasked with gathering some more parts with the money such as a ZZ4 block. Without dragging this post out into a 10 page ordeal, Mack calls and checks on his car periodically- to which Darren claims all is well and going smoothly. Mack took on this task to help Darren and get some experience in building an engine. One day Mack shows up at Darren’s garage to help Darren on the process. Darren informs Mack that the engine is already together (Darren was to call Mack before assembly so Mack could see how things work) Darren points to a shortblock in the corner, claiming Mack could bolt his heads on it if he wanted. Disappointed, Mack begins bolting his heads to this engine. He gets the heads on and wishes Darren well and leaves. (Recently it was discovered that the engine Mack bolted his heads on to belonged to a different customer of Darren’s- Mack’s engine wasn’t even purchased at this time just another example of Darren’s lying and manipulation).
Time goes on and Mack periodically checks on the status of his car- to which he is told by Darren that everything is going according to plan and so forth. Things change, both parties get married- have kids, etc. Throughout all of this Mack is assured that his car is getting taken care of, but that it would take more time due to personal setbacks- no problem.
I will begin with letting the cat out of the bag with the situation that lead to this post. Darren Harden was tasked to work on one of my friend’s cars (Mack on some boards) Mack has specifically asked me not to post this- but I simply cannot hold back any longer and I am sure you will all agree with my urgency when you read the story. (sorry Mack if you see this). Mack is a real easy going person and he bought his red IROC Camaro as a treat to himself after college. He tediously looked for a low mileage car of that year and color- this was his baby. He took care of this thing like it was a kid. It was kept simply immaculate- you could eat off any part of this car. Mack gets the itch for some more power, and consults one of his long time friends- Darren Harden. Mack specs out everything for a total and complete engine rebuild from the ground up including a new block. He goes over the specs with Darren and they decide to give the project a green light. Mack buys many of the parts and gives them to Darren, and also paid him upfront for the future work Darren would be doing on his car. We are talking about some big dollar items here- Diamond pistons, AFR heads, etc. Darren is tasked with gathering some more parts with the money such as a ZZ4 block. Without dragging this post out into a 10 page ordeal, Mack calls and checks on his car periodically- to which Darren claims all is well and going smoothly. Mack took on this task to help Darren and get some experience in building an engine. One day Mack shows up at Darren’s garage to help Darren on the process. Darren informs Mack that the engine is already together (Darren was to call Mack before assembly so Mack could see how things work) Darren points to a shortblock in the corner, claiming Mack could bolt his heads on it if he wanted. Disappointed, Mack begins bolting his heads to this engine. He gets the heads on and wishes Darren well and leaves. (Recently it was discovered that the engine Mack bolted his heads on to belonged to a different customer of Darren’s- Mack’s engine wasn’t even purchased at this time just another example of Darren’s lying and manipulation).
Time goes on and Mack periodically checks on the status of his car- to which he is told by Darren that everything is going according to plan and so forth. Things change, both parties get married- have kids, etc. Throughout all of this Mack is assured that his car is getting taken care of, but that it would take more time due to personal setbacks- no problem.
Over the past ½ year, Mack begins to get more suspicious. Darren is caught in several lies and bad dealings with other people, yet always seems to have the right thing to say on the phone when asking about a status update. At this point, Darren has had the car nearly three years. He tells Mack that it is completed- but he has lost faith in himself due to some soured deals, and he will have a man named Mike Lucas finish tuning the DFI system on his car- but assures him the motor is together, etc. Time goes on- and on- and on.. No car. Mike Lucas’ information can not be divulged, only an E-mail address. Mike doesn’t respond to E-mails. Time drags on. Finally Mack demands to have his car back. Darren tells Mack the car is back in his possession. More excuses follow as to why the car simply cannot be delivered. Weeks pass, still no car. Mack figures that since Darren is so incompetent he can’t bring his own car back to him- he will do Darren a favor and just come to pick the car up. More excuses- things such as the trailer isn’t parked correctly to download the car, Darren works all day and all night, etc. Finally Mack procures a trailer and has two friends drive him down to pick his car up at Darren’s. Once they arrive there is no car- anywhere. Darren gets caught in a lie. When pressured to get the car wherever it is, Darren claims “Mike Lucas” has it.

Here is a quote about “Mike Lucas” from Helmsdini, found in this thread: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825706&page=2

Mike Lucas is supposedly a DFI tuning guru that runs the system on several of his race cars- so Mike Lucas is who the car was sent to in order to get that tuning done.

Mike Lucas is supposedly the busiest man on the planet, at times working 17 hours a day, 7 days a week. His job also apparently calls him in the middle of the night into work with no warning what so ever- as such, several attempts to get a hold of Mike Lucas or to go get the car have been thwarted by Mr. Lucas' integrity and dedication to his job.

Mike Lucas supposedly lives 1.5 hours south of the original lying mechanic's residence-hence why the car owner could not just drive to Mike Lucas' place and pick up his car when he showed up and caught the lying mechanic in the act.

Mike Lucas' email was the only information provided to the car owner- Mike Lucas doesnt respond to E-mails.

Mike Lucas finally text messaged the car owner- the car owner called him and stated that his voice sounded eerily similar to the original mechanic's voice. Mike Lucas repeats nearly verbatim the exact excuses the lying mechanic has been giving. When pressed for an address, Mike Lucas explains that he lives with his parents and isnt comfortable giving out their address (Sounds like a real DFI whiz). When pressured as to where this shop he owns is, Mike Lucas says that it doesnt have an address (sounds like a nice place)- but he can send directions via email; again, Mike Lucas doesnt use E-mail. The phone Mike Lucas called from is traced to a cell phone administered about 40 mins. from the lying mechanic (not 1.5 hours).

The lying mechanic's own father goes with him on a wild goose chase to find this missing car and this Mike Lucas guy's garage. Believe it or not the lying mechanic lead his own father down some miscellaneous logging trails into the middle of the woods and discovered that either mike's garage vanished into thin air or he simply didnt know where it was after all.

Naturally, it is starting to seem that Mike Lucas is either a split personality, or a completely fabricated entity to take the wrap for the lying mechanic.

If that doesn’t speak volumes about how fabricated this Mike Lucas guy is, I don’t know what does. Darren even took his father Doug out to the middle of a corn field and said the shop vanished!!

Anyway- here is the climax. After confronting Darren about not having his car, Mack gave Darren an ultimatum- one week to produce the car. ONE WEEK. Darren originally said that he needed a few days, but Mack gave him a full week to produce his car- finished, unfinished, whatever. He just wanted his car back. The entire week Mike Lucas supposedly was working. He was so busy he couldn’t even take a lunch break to unlock the garage so Darren could get this car. Darren begged Mack not to inform his father, Doug. After the week’s deadline lapsed, Mack began looking into legal avenues to get his car back and informed Doug. Darren still wouldn’t even give Mack an address to this Mike Lucas character’s shop. Mack agreed to give Doug 3 EXTRA days to try and get to the bottom of it. In short, Doug now believes there is a Mike Lucas even though the man can’t be reached by phone, address or anything. The only person to have ever seen or talked to the man was Darren. Naturally in those three extra days, Mike has been out of town. Mack still has no clue where his car is even at right now.

Other things I can attribute to Darren Harden:

-Two people I know of had to fight tooth and nail to get parts they had dropped off to Darren back. Not only did Darren not do the needed work, but he also sold their parts in some cases!

-Darren bought a car and installed a completely messed up engine in it, then sold it to one of his GOOD FRIENDS telling him the engine was fresh, etc. He then had an entire bag of excuses as to why the engine was blowing out smoke like a freight train two days later. After a few months of foot dragging and excuses, Darren supposedly fixed the problem. Not a month later the engine is blowing smoke rings again.

-Darren subbed a person to weld turbo headers for him. Darren supplied junk tubing and a junk welder to do the job- the guy that did the work didn’t want to work with the stuff but Darren told him to just give it his best shot. The headers looked terrible. The guy doing the work felt bad (even though it was technically Darren’s fault) and offered to only take 200$ for the work instead of the 300$ they agreed on. Darren was fine with that but would have to send money later- Money never arrived. Darren was questioned again and said he would send it. Money never arrived- NOW Darren is claiming that the owner of the car was supposed to pay this guy, and that it isn’t his problem.

-Darren has been caught using customer’s credit cards to pay for parts for other projects of his. A several thousand dollar convertible top was supposedly bought to finish a customer’s car- ran through the customer’s credit card. Top never arrived- come to find out Darren ordered the top COD and didn’t have the cash to pay for it. No idea where the thousands of dollars went. Darren finally took in money for another job and paid for the top- Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

These are just a few examples that I can cite off the top of my head. Some of you are probably asking “well- why don’t these people go to Doug Harden, he seems like a reasonable guy” Doug Harden has been informed about his son’s terrible business practices. Doug harden has even bailed him out a few times, yet when Darren gets banned from posting on certain boards because of some of the aforementioned dealings, Doug Harden allows Darren to continue to post under his name in these forums. To put it bluntly, Doug Harden has on rose colored glasses when it comes to his son. He feels that Darren just gets badmouthed and so on and that things just aren’t his fault.

I understand as a father it is probably a tough pill to swallow, but here are some of the responses Doug has given when questioned about his son:

“People need to mind their own F^(KING BUSINESS”
“ BUTT THE F%(K OUT!”
“People expect everything from Darren but don’t want to give him any credit”
“There are two sides to every story”
”Darren doesn’t charge rent or fees on all his buddies cars that he has helped work on”

Real professional and mature responses, right? Its obvious that Doug is going to side with Darren regardless of what happens-blood is thicker than water. Darren has made his bed and if Doug wants to get in it with him, that is a choice he makes.

What I want to tell YOU is to stay AWAY from Darren Harden. If Doug or Darren read any of this, I challenge you to respond and try to disprove ANY of what I have said- ANYTHING. I can back up everything that is in this post, but I can assure you Darren cannot back up anything that comes out of his mouth. To date, there have been VOLUMES of bold faced lies Darren has been caught in. Still need more proof- google “Darren Harden” and see what comes up-sort of Ironic that it is a post about how he has ripped yet another person off.

If other people have had run-ins with Darren Harden, this is the time to bring them out in the open. Post them up. This stuff has gone on FAR too long with this scam artist and I think the jig is just about up.

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I am the header builder in the story posted above. My story is shorter.

Darren contacted me a couple of years ago, roughly, to help him out with a project he was working on. A man in the bloomington, IN area has or had, a 32-ish Ford coupe. He said that he was so busy with his business (harden motorsports) at the time. I was informed that there was an LS1 in it, and he wanted twin turbos. Those of you who have been around the forums for years, know I have a little experience in the header building business.

So I told him sure I would help, you get the materials and he offered his tools for the job.

I showed up on the day. We agreed on a handshake to a price of $300 for the day's labor which was to be me tack welding the headers together and that darren would finish them later. I was fine with this.

When he showed me the materials, I was less than thrilled. A pair of rusty GM LS1 header flanges, one of which had two stubs of pipe welded in already, and a box of what I would describe as "scraps of mandrel bent 1 5/8" tubing" and a number of aluminzed non-mandrel bent pipe to go with it. Something like you would see hanging from the rafters in an exhaust shop. I questioned why he provided me subpar materials and urged me to continue with the job anyway. I said hey, its your project I will give it a shot.

I did, and as expected, turned out a subpar job. I wasnt very happy with it. I have photos I can post from my home computer later if needed.

Darren left for the day while I worked on the car, so he could get other things done. I called him when I left the shop and told him I wasnt happy with the job, why not we agree on $200 instead. He said okay, he would get me the money.

Its now two years later, and I have not recieved any money.

Here are a couple of posts from Darren on another message board concerning the matter:

Hey Curt,
Can I paypal you the money that Jack owes you for the header work, I can send the extra to cover their fees?
Thanks
Darren
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I'm truely sorry for letting things get drug out so long. I hope there are no hard feelings. I am waiting on a payment to clear in my account and I'll get it right out to you. That project basically got shelved for awhile. His health is much better but he has since kinda focused on doing some traveling and some of his other projects. The family is doing well, Kailyn is almost 7 months old now so with her and Devon I spend alot of my time with them anymore. Hope all is well with you.
Take Care
Darren

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For whatever reason the echeck the guy sent me still hasnt cleared. The original date was last friday and when friday came around it was changed to this thursday (tomorrow). I'll send it tomorrow if it clears... Never recieved a e check through paypal before so I'm not sure what the hold up it.



I recently contacted his father Doug about the matter on the CICC message boards. Through some private messages, i was fed another plate of garbage on this matter. Here is what he had to say:

Curt,

Yes Darren tried to do the right thing by you, but in this same period, the failed effort at restarting his business nearly bancrupted him. Bottom line is that, even though Darren tried to help he couldn't financially and it was still Jack's decision to reject the work...so Darren didn't get paid either.

Yes, Darren should have been more straight forward with you, but I can't change that now. Yes, we've had a few heated discussions about that too.

As far as Mack's situation....did Mack tell you that Darren and he were SUPPOSED to put Mack's car back together and neither of them had time in two years of storing it here? For free I might add. Did Mack tell you that he has no idea if Darren did or did not talk to the Sheriff himself.....only that Mack got a different ansswer when he called the Sheriff's office? Buck in fact did call Darren back. Never assume...

Yes, Darren thought he could have had Mike return the car before Mack came down...and unfortunately lied to Mack about actually having it at the time. No-one questions this fact.

Did Mack tell you that Darren spent $500 of his own money to pay Mike to put Mack's car together, because Darren still doesn't have the time and felt bad about all the time passing? Should he have just told mack to come get it in pieces?

Now, we haven't actually seen what work Mike has done, we're waiting for him to get back in town... but we've already set up a time to pick it up in the morning. Mike has been the hold up here.

I've heard other people claim that Darren wronged them, but in Benny's case, Dave Rynard's case, etc... I know that Darren has given them much more than they'll admit to....but that get's conveniently forgotten. In both cases, Darren is out much more that they were...much more. Nobody's offered me a dime for the hundreds of hours that I've help turn wrenches on their cars.

Personally, I think you should deal with the owner of the turbo headers and see what he says about your payment.

Doug


This pissed me off to no end. Anyone who has sub-contracted work out to people before, knows that its your responsibility to pay said sub contractor. Not the original customer. Not only that, i was never informed of this even if that WAS their intent; which I believe was to just let it pass.

This is my story. You be the judge.

I am sad to say that I know Darren Harden very well. I am also sad to say I used to work for him. I am more sad to say I considered him a friend. Darren made a lot of bad decisions that cost his business to go under and tried to place all the blame on me. I’ll let those people tell their own stories. He tried to say I cashed a bad $4,500 check when I had ZERO control of any funds going in or out. I worked there for over 6 months and brought home one paycheck of $300. He said there was just no money to pay me. (But had money for 4-wheelers ect) I even bought things to help him out such as a lift, tools, ect. Then we he had to shut the shop down I couldn’t even get my lift out of the building because he would not pay the land lord. He would not accept blame for his bad business practices and thievery and continues to lie to everyone to this day. He tried to use me as his scapegoat (much like this Mike Lucas). I kept quiet for the most part about Darren. The people who mattered knew what kind of person he was. He continues to do these horrible things to people so I will keep quiet no more. Darren is a person with no conscience and wouldn’t think twice about screwing anyone over if it meant he could get a head a little. He is an extraordinary story teller and his excuses are limitless. He even has his own father believing his lies.

Here are the lies he told me about getting my lift back.


Darren H wrote on 12-20-2006 10:31 AM:
I stopped by Arts again this morning and he wasnt there but his neighbor stopped me and said he was in florida for the holidays so I'll try again after this weekend.


My reply


dheck wrote on 12-20-2006 05:57 PM:
That's funny, because I went and got Art's number off the billboard today. I called him and guess what?!?!? He wasn't vacationing in grand ol sunny Florida. He was sitting at home...in his house. Been there all day. You'll never guess what else he told me. He said that I wasn't allowed to come and get my lift because you still owed him money. Imagine that, you owe someone else money. You'll never guess what else he told me. He said that I was the reason the shop got shut down, He said you had to FIRE me because I cashed a $4,500 check that was bad. That's really interesting because I certainly don't ever remember doing that. Is that what you are telling people? Go ahead and drag my name through the mud some more. Whatever makes you feel better. When do the lies stop Darren? Are you even capable of telling the truth? I talked to you yesterday on the phone and you want to act all buddy buddy and say we should hang out and get things back the way they used to be. Well how in the hell do you expect that to happen when all you do is tell lies and try to place all this blame on me. The only reason the shop didn't work out is because you are a liar and take advantage of people. I feel sorry for anyone who continues to do business with you. You are only concerned about Darren. You could give a **** less about how this has effected others. I sacrificed a lot to make that shop work and you never paid me for anything I did. Is it too much for me to ask to get my lift back so I can sell it for half of what I paid for it?!?!? Recoupe some of the THOUSANDS of dollars your lies have cost me. All you did was lie and steal. We gave you a chance to come clean and you did to an extent. I thought it would be an eye opener for you but apparently it wasn't. People don't change and deep down you are nothing but a thief and a liar. I suggest you find a way to get my lift out of that building or I will take EVERY means necessary for you to compensate me for it. I tried to be friends with you, I tried to trust you. I am at my absolute limit. After this is over I hope I never have to talk to you again. I suggest you find a way for me to get MY lift out of that building and you better do it soon.

Here is a message I sent his father trying to clear things up. I never got a response...



dheck wrote on 04-13-2007 09:27 AM:
Doug,

I think maybe things have gone long enough that maybe we can talk about some things. I want to start off by say that I have always had the upmost respect for you. I think you are a stand up guy who always does the right thing. I have always admired that about you. I didn’t think you and I had any bad blood but I starting to wondering differently. I would normally never say anything but I would feel terrible if you thought badly of me. Also I don’t appreciate my name being dragged through the mud as I am sure most people don’t. Let me also say that I know Darren is your son and that is where your loyalties should ALWAYS lie. Family first! I don’t expect you to believe a word I say but I feel like I must say it anyway. Every great story has 2 sides. I have tried to keep my mouth shut so as to not cause Darren or any of his family any harm. I think extremely highly of you and your family as you have always treated me with courtesy. I feel like I may even be out of place sending this message. I hope you can read it with an open mind and realize why I am doing it.

When Darren and I wanted to open the shop back up it was supposed to be a 50/50 thing after the bills were paid. That was the agreement. I thought we would share the responsibilities. That ended up not being the case. I had ZERO and I can’t stress this enough. ZERO control over ANY financing what so ever. I could not order parts, I could not pay for ANYTHING. Everything was paid for out of Darren’s check book. The ONLY thing I ever did there was install parts. The reason I bring this up is because there have been many people that have brought to my attention that Darren blames the shops failing on me because I spent all of his money.
As every new business gets off the ground I understood that there may be times without pay. If you want to make something good you have to make a few sacrifices. So I left my job and Darren and I started work. I took out a loan for $5,000 that I am still paying on and will for quite some time to buy tools, lift, pay rent, ect. This was all discussed with Darren before I made any decisions. Doug I can honestly tell you that I work there for what?...maybe 6 months? And I received ONE paycheck in an amount of a little over $300. I know Darren was in a hard spot. His wife got laid off, he was bringing a little girl into the world, times were tough. And believe me I tried to be understanding, but 6 months with almost no pay was kinda rough. Especially when there was enough work in and out of there to pay something. I saw a guy pay Darren $2,800 in cash for work that I did while Christy was having the baby and I received not one dime from that money. That is not the importance of this letter but I thought it was worth mentioning.
I am not sure what Darren has told you about me, I can only go off of what I hear from others, but I know it’s not good. There are many other cases but I won’t go into those as they involve others and that is not my place. I am sure you have heard many stories and dismissed them instantly because he is your son. I don’t think Darren is a bad person and I wish him the best. I just think he doesn’t make a lot of good decisions when times get tough. Me and another person that had some dealings with Darren confronted him on these things and he broke down into tears apologizing. Saying he was sorry and would make things right. Clearing my name and making things right with the other said person. I believed him but I can see he is still telling stories about me. I know everyone’s first reaction when backed into a corner is to fight out of it, but not at the cost of another person’s integrity. I ask you to put yourself in my shoes for one moment and imagine someone trying to ruin your good name that you worked so hard to maintain. I am a strong believer that the only thing that is worth anything in life is your word. If you don’t have that you have nothing. I know you well enough to know that you must share this same belief.
I won’t go into any more detail and I won’t take up any more of your time. I feel better having wrote you this. Do with it what you will but I hope you kept an open mind reading it. I hope you understand that this was in no way meant to be disrespectful in any way and I am sure you and I can be civil about this. Again thank you for your time and I wish you all the best.

Sincerely,

David Heck

Sounds like this guy is a useless piece of sh-t

It pains me to post this, but since my name has been brought up, I feel the need to tell my side of the story, and hope that my friendship with Doug will withstand.

I've heard other people claim that Darren wronged them, but in Benny's case, Dave Rynard's case, etc... I know that Darren has given them much more than they'll admit to....but that get's conveniently forgotten.

I am Benny, as some of you know. I have been great friends with the Hardens, and to this day have considered Doug a great friend. I have known Darren since 1995, and considered him like a bother to me. Some of you may not have the best feelings towards Doug for whatever reason's but he has been there whenever I have needed him, and I never forget those things.

Awhile back the engine blew in my 99 Camaro. I asked Darren if it could be brought to his shop, and I would help in removing it, and the rebuild. I didn't have much money at the time, so as a token of appreciation I gave him a brand new, still in the box parts washer. I know it wasn't much, but I wanted to do something to help them out in the new shop.

I came down one day and the engine was already out of my car. I was just browsing around looking at my stuff, but couldn't find the torque converter. it was a yank, so it was red in color. I asked Darren where it was and he said up in the shops loft. Well, to make a long story short, dheck told me what had happened, that Darren took out not only my torque converter, but also my UMI troque arm, trans. cooler, lines, fitting etc. and installed them on another guys car and charged the guy for new parts.

I was on the PD at one time, and my brother is a cop here in Indiana, so we discussed what charges could be filed. We had 2 felonies, and 3 misdemeanors. I then went back to Darren and gave him another chance to come clean. He stood by his story, so I told him I knew where my parts where and told him what he was looking at criminal wise. Then only did he come clean. I didn't press charges because he gave me the money to replace the parts, and also gave me some new parts as replacements. I never asked for more than what I as entitled too. If I wanted to be a jerk I could have even filed in court and sued for three times the amount of the parts.

I had also contacted the guy whos car my parts where installed in, and Darren re-embursed him as well, and his dad was a retired cop who was at the shop the day they came and got his car.

What also upsets me is that I gave my word that I would not post any of this, mainly because I didn't want Doug brought in on it, but it appears that Darren has lied to Doug about how this all went down. I had to go back on my word, and I hate that.

Looking back I should have told my story to people who trusted Darren, because it might have kept other people from getting screwed over. I have to take some of the blame there.

As for forgetting what all the Hardens have done for me, that could not be further from the truth. I pride myself in being a stand-up guy, and value my friends, and what they have done for me, and I like to think I am always there to help out my friends at no charge, like the Doug Harden have done for me.

***UPDATE***

Darrens father Doug seems to realize more of the depth of the situation and has agreed to help get this situation sorted out. Mack's car is on its way to his house as we speak- exactly as it was dropped off 3 years ago. No engine was ever purchased and put in it, no work was ever done according to Doug. Still no clue on where Mack's money or parts are or where Darren had been hiding the car all this time. Updates will follow as they come in. -PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS CON ARTIST!!

***UPDATE***

The car is back to the owner, and Doug is being a very stand up guy about taking care of the situation. That said, this thread will not be removed or deleted. This issue has gone on far too long with far too many people. I do not want to see anyone at all deal with this type of a situation out of Darren Harden again. We can all be thankful that it is being addressed and taken care of, but IMO this is far far overdue.

and these are the days of out lives. man that guy needs a good beating

I know another person like this


I won't say the name but many people glorify this person.

I know for a fact things have been stolen, and engine was built for someone then sold to another person. the original person never got the money back, people having other things done at a shop that was never really done. Things ordered online where the person just took the money and never responded to people. A true POS/crackhead