2010 Mustang spy shots. Um...

http://jalopnik.com/cars/2010-ford-mustang/2010-ford-mustang-331120.php

Not liking what I'm seeing here, although it's not a whole lot.

Not much to see but it doesn't look like a big change over the current S197. Front facia, hood and rear facia/tailights. I'd expect it to look more GT500'ish. Like to see the interior.

I'm curious to see what Ford does with the Mustang after going retro this past time and how to they evolutionize it forward. Not to mention the now cross town rivals have joined the fight.

Probably will be like the 911, MINI, or Corvette. Just little detail changes like tail or head lights, different door handles, or new interior. It will probably have the same basic shape forevermore because of "enthusiasts". The classic traits which make our icons unique and special also firmly anchor them in the past. Its part of their desireable mystique and curse.

Vette nuts will never embrace anything but an 8 cylinder. 911 nuts will never allow a mid engine layout. Ducati fans piss and moan if a bike gets a wet clutch.

I expect the Mustang is going to look like some flavor of the 65-69 Mustang until the automobile in general is replaced by some other transportation solution.

Mustang wheel gap is getting out of hand.

this is a v6, they always have a large wheelsgap on the v-6 stangs. there is a bigger change than just front and rear bumpers, believe me. I beleive that all thats being carried over is the greenhouse.

it looks real good

Mustang wheel gap is getting out of hand.

QFT.

And I'm not seeing the "hips" the Mustang guys have all been talking about.

Mustang wheel gap is getting out of hand.

Thats something J. Mays was supposed to have addressed with the S-197, but I noticed that too, I wonder what the deal is? More compliant suspension?

Although on the current car, you can only drop it about 1.5 to 1.75 before it starts to sweep the curbs in parking spaces with stock body work. the FRPP FR3 suspension drops it about 1.5 and that leaves you a red [censored] hair before it scraps.

I think there is a bit of a body line reminiscent of a hip under the camo, but its hard to tell with the padding, methinks you wont see proper hips till the next chassis. IMO the next iteration will be GT500 lite in appearence.

I dunno how I feel about the huntsman chassis, the virtual pivot front seems cool, but since it looks like it will have to underpin large-medium-small RWD cars and will have the de rigueur IRS, its gonna be SUPER FRIGG'N HEAVY, worst case, its S-197 size (I dont see it shrinking much due to safety compliance) but Challenger weight. I wonder how many Mustang fans they will have to "fire" when the huntsman chassis debuts?

They'll fire me if it gains significant tonnage.

Maybe they can pull off soimething like they did with the current US Focus and actually lose some weight. Ford managed to lose 35 pounds.

"fingers crossed" maybe by a slim chance an SRA-M5 car is still viable in the next generation.

it seems like theres a bit more sweep to the beltline this time around (and by more, I mean any at all). Really want to see the update to the interior, as that seems to be the number one complaint anyone has

Really want to see the update to the interior, as that seems to be the number one complaint anyone hasi wish they'd lower the seat. i'm fine with everything else. just an inch.

Did you have your seat all the way down? I'm no small guy, and I felt pretty well down in the mustang

Did you have your seat all the way down? I'm no small guy, and I felt pretty well down in the mustangyup.

Nobody else has mentioned it...... has anyone else noticed this car is a RAG TOP??? How often do you see a rag top car in camo? Odd.

Looks like it's got a couple inches of padding on it.

I think this car is evolving from a 65/66ish feel to more of a 69/70 feel/appearance.

If it looks like the concept drawings it will be another hit for Ford.

The green house isn't supposed to change on the update, Ford has commented in the past that fenders, front & rear fascia are easy. The green house and doors aren't.

Not going to argue or debate anyone about anything, just want to make a couple "suggestions".

Silverado C-10 was the first to pick up on the fact this is a vert.
Who ever does early test mules as a vert instead of a hardtop?
Hint #1.

This car is a V6, and it has the tiniest tires/rims on it that are currently offered.
Hint #2.

The front fascia has a GT500 bumper cover - you can see the big oval opening below the bumper which is squared with egg-crate on the typical V6.
Hint #3.

I expect the heavy "padding" is covering scoops and/or highlights only - not new panels and basic shapes. What can be seen looks exactly like the existing units.
Hint #4.

The "next" Mustang will not be out until 2011 - little bird told me. ;)
Hint #5.

Gents, it is my opinion you are looking at some kind of special edition - probably from a tuner like Roush or Shelby, but maybe from Ford directly. Taillights and headlights and body panels are favorite places for tuners to replace things because the visual impact is high and the tooling costs are low.
Even though Ford theoretically has the next design complete, they are not so stupid as to send out test mules with new bodywork 3-years before they start production. :no: Think about that... seriously.

Now, let's start thinking... what SE would potentially have a V6, single exhaust, and a ragtop, but have the GT500 grill on it? Oh yeah... and it's got a white base coat. Hmmm... :D

yup.

Didn't we discuss this before?, its the rake of the windshield vs. your seating position IIRC from the last time. At least I thought it was you :think:

I'm 6'2" and I've got no problems fitting the car myself, but I like to sit back with a slight bend in my arms versus up on the wheel nascar style.

Didn't we discuss this before?, its the rake of the windshield vs. your seating position IIRC from the last time. At least I thought it was you :think:

I'm 6'2" and I've got no problems fitting the car myself, but I like to sit back with a slight bend in my arms versus up on the wheel nascar style.i think it was you too.:lol:
i like the upclose feel. i can't in this car. it has nothing to do with the rake of the windshield. for my legs not to be in the dash and my feet in an uncomfortable position i'm too far away from the wheel and all the controls. if they lowered the seat i could move closer. i just feel like i'm on top of the car not in it. too bad as i like the car besides that.

The "next" Mustang will not be out until 2011 - little bird told me. ;)
Hint #5.

Gents, it is my opinion you are looking at some kind of special edition - probably from a tuner like Roush or Shelby, but maybe from Ford directly.

It's the 2010
I haven't heard the 010 being delayed yet another year, engines maybe, but not the car.

Hints: All New interior
Rear fender antenna
New tail lights
Sleeker GT500 'like' bumper (doesn't have fogs, this is a new)
It also coincides with reports of the front end looking 2004 Concept
GT500-like (more aggressive and modern)
The turn signals are integrated into the headlamps

Ford isn't going to spend a lot of money on the current outgoing car, especially not to the extent of what is on that test car.

Gotta disagree with the notion this is a special edition Mustang.

The entire body is covered. The nose is revised. The headlights are revised. The tailights are redone. Even Shelby isn't going to get revisions this extensive for his special edition models.

"Who does convertible mules before coupes?" Better question might be "Does Ford have a history of putting body panels of new models on existing cars for testing?" (they do).... and "Does it matter which is first if it's only a sheetmetal change and a slightly revised interior?" (no).

This is a simple reskinning like the 1999 Mustang. Like the 1999 Mustang, the car will look abit different.

Word is the facelifted Mustang is currently planned to be out shortly before or shortly after Camaro.

The all new Mustang (which initially was the one initially slated to be out by 2010) is now apparently set for 2012 model year, with a mid cycle facelift added, which the car in the picture seemingly is.

what are the possible powertrains for the upcoming GT?

3.5 DI V6
5.0 Mod V8
5.0 TT Mod V8
5.8-6.2 something or another

IIRC, those are the ones being tossed around and on the purely conjectured front (being that the BOSS V8s probably wont be in the current chassis) there might be a 5.4 something for an 09 SE Mustang.

this is a v6, they always have a large wheelsgap on the v-6 stangs.

I don't care, it makes the car look cheap and there's no reason for it. Seems it gets worse with every body change too.

what are the possible powertrains for the upcoming GT?

The 4.6 will be around till at least 2010. Word is the GT will then go to two engines, the base being the 4.6.

There WILL be a new Mustang GT engine around the time or shortly after the new Camaro comes out. There may be a couple of people here who know what it's going to be, but projected power output is basically a state secret at Ford. The only word I can get on it is that they aren't going to let GM's Camaro get the upper hand... should be fun! :D

The 210 horse 4 liter V6 on the base model is out, possibly as early as next year. It's set to be replaced by a version of the 3.5 V6, supposedly slightly detuned from it's 265 horse version in the Edge.

This year the Mustang had a change that escaped notice. The floorpan is stamped from thicker metal and the structure is now identical to the 500 horse GT500.


Another Mustang item that's escaped notice:

Ford's managed to trim about 100 pounds from the S197 Mustang GT since it first came out in 2005. It now bases at about 3455 pounds (it was 3560 when it first came out). According to Ford, the new Bullitt Mustang with it's strut bracing, bigger brakes, and it's relatively loaded standard list is 3540.

All this information on weight loss on the Mustang line has been eclipsed by the weight-shock of the full zoot, mega-horsepower GT500's 3900 pounds.

Even in Spyshot form. in low res, and Camo'ed all over. I think the Camaro trumps the 'stang in terms of looks. :D

It's set to be replaced by a version of the 3.5 V6, supposedly slightly detuned from it's 265 horse version in the Edge.so their sporty car has less power then their SUV? nice.:rolleyes:

Ford's managed to trim about 100 pounds from the S197 Mustang GT since it first came out in 2005. It now bases at about 3455 pounds (it was 3560 when it first came out). According to Ford, the new Bullitt Mustang with it's strut bracing, bigger brakes, and it's relatively loaded standard list is 3540.

You're off on that. It was lighter when it came out. Here (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0412mm_2005_mustang_test_drive/index.html) is a link to a road test from 05 where it's listed at 3450. Here (http://www.carpages.ca/go/roadtest/2005_ford_mustang_gt_road_test.aspx) is another one. They picked up 90lbs when they got the GT500 structural enhancements and that's probably where the 3540 # really comes from. Also the 08 Bullitt has the same brakes as the GT. They just painted the calipers red this time around. The only thing that would add weight to a Bullitt over a base M5 GT is the standard 18" wheels, and the strut tower brace which is cancelled out by the deletion of the foglights and rear spoiler. Motor Trend's Bullitt weighed 3590lbs.

It's the 2010
I haven't heard the 010 being delayed yet another year, engines maybe, but not the car.

Hints: All New interior
Rear fender antenna
New tail lights
Sleeker GT500 'like' bumper (doesn't have fogs, this is a new)
It also coincides with reports of the front end looking 2004 Concept
GT500-like (more aggressive and modern)
The turn signals are integrated into the headlamps

Ford isn't going to spend a lot of money on the current outgoing car, especially not to the extent of what is on that test car.

You bet 2010, I'll bet 2011. And I raise you by one good winky. ;)

As for spending money on an "outgoing" car...
what do you think the Bullitt, California Special, GT500KR, Hertz GT vert, and upcoming promises like Mach 1 and Boss projects are?
I'd say making the SE's is money well spent, and they are FAR less involved than total rebodies and interiors. Scoops, plastic grills, and bumper covers are relatively cheap when compared to unibody panels.

Just my .02.

Gotta disagree with the notion this is a special edition Mustang.
O.K. :)

The entire body is covered. The nose is revised. The headlights are revised. The tailights are redone. Even Shelby isn't going to get revisions this extensive for his special edition models.
That camo package is an old one that was laying around and available for use - not special-made. It has cutouts in the rear for dual exhausts, but the car only has 1 cutout in the rear bumper cover for a V6 tailpipe. There are other clues too. Put it this way - is it easier to use an existing camo suit to cover minor changes, or try to put some 2'-square "patches" over the scoops and just cover the front/rear bumpers separately?

As for Shelby not getting "extensive" mods... are you serious?
What has this imposter done with guionM?!?!
The GT500 has a few "extensive" differences from the basic Mustang (GT or V6), including...
unique front bumper cover, upper grill assy, plastic grill inserts, foglamps, unique headlamp housings, at least 2 unique hoods for Shelbys (500 and 500KR), rockers, spoilers, at least 2 unique rims, seats, steering wheel, and other interior appointments - and do we even have to begin talking about the drivelines? To look at a GT500 or GT500KR, and then look at a basic Ford Mustang and say that Shelby can't get "extensive" mods is a bit... well... out there.
I'm saying the car in the images has a few scoops in it, a new taillight panel, and a GT500-like front bumper cover. I don't think that's too far "out there". :shrug:

"Who does convertible mules before coupes?" Better question might be "Does Ford have a history of putting body panels of new models on existing cars for testing?" (they do).... and "Does it matter which is first if it's only a sheetmetal change and a slightly revised interior?" (no).
Your points are well-made and possible - no doubt, but while I agree Ford does some crazy things, this one defies even their goofy logic. There are simply more coupes available for them to "grab one to play with" and they are cheaper to boot. To use a vert... I think implies that they WANT to use a vert and it reflects the final product.

This is a simple reskinning like the 1999 Mustang. Like the 1999 Mustang, the car will look abit different.
Respectfully disagree. Don't see a reskinning coming for 2009, and they won't do it the year before a revamp is scheduled. (although they did a "freshening" with the F150 the year before the new one debuted and shocked a lot of folks) Besides, how peeved would the GT500 and Gt500KR and SuperSnake owners be if every Mustang had their front fascia next year? No way. :no:

Word is the facelifted Mustang is currently planned to be out shortly before or shortly after Camaro.
I'd go with "shortly after"... like in 2011. ;)
(PM me if you want to know why.)

The all new Mustang (which initially was the one initially slated to be out by 2010) is now apparently set for 2012 model year, with a mid cycle facelift added, which the car in the picture seemingly is.
As I said above... bet on 2011.
I will be pleasantly surprised if we see a facelift before then, but I'm not expecting it. I can promise you this much... it will be a pretty insignificant one if it does get one. The 1987 redesign went until 1993 with essentially no change - that's 7 model-years. So Ford has shown they can run one in the ground if they so choose! Given their current shape, I'd say they'll ride this cash-cow til she lays down on them.

We'll just have to revisit this thread in January and see what it was. :cool:

so their sporty car has less power then their SUV? nice.:rolleyes:

You mean their base sporty car has less power than their top SUV, the yes.

Being their base sporty car picks up 50 horsepower or so in the process over the current base model, I don't see a problem. :shrug:


You're off on that. It was lighter when it came out. Here (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0412mm_2005_mustang_test_drive/index.html) is a link to a road test from 05 where it's listed at 3450. Here (http://www.carpages.ca/go/roadtest/2005_ford_mustang_gt_road_test.aspx) is another one. They picked up 90lbs when they got the GT500 structural enhancements and that's probably where the 3540 # really comes from. Also the 08 Bullitt has the same brakes as the GT. They just painted the calipers red this time around. The only thing that would add weight to a Bullitt over a base M5 GT is the standard 18" wheels, and the strut tower brace which is cancelled out by the deletion of the foglights and rear spoiler. Motor Trend's Bullitt weighed 3590lbs.

Bullitt's strut bracing alone weighs more than the foglights, let alone the addition of other items and a more extensive list of standard items over the GT.

Brake pads on the Bullitt are unique to that model (heavier duty than the GT).

Calipers are unpainted.


Motor Trends '08 Bullitt weighed 3590.
Autoweek's '08 GT came in at 3356 (not a typo).
PHR's '05 GT came in at 3483.


Ford's press release on the 2005 Mustang GT pegs it at 3483 w/ manual
Ford's press release on the 2008 Mustang GT pegs it at 3356 w/ manual

According to Ford's own press releases, the 2008 Ford Mustang GT is 127 pounds lighter than the 2005 Mustang GT.

No evidence of a 90 pound weight gain on the Mustang GT between '05 and '08, based on Ford's official weights on the car.

https://media.ford.com/products/presskit_print.cfm?vehicle_id=1232
http://www.shnack.com/document_page4.php?pid=10

As for spending money on an "outgoing" car...
what do you think the Bullitt, California Special, GT500KR, Hertz GT vert, and upcoming promises like Mach 1 and Boss projects are?

I agree with that.

What I meant was they aren't going to go with extensive front/rear bumper, lights, relocating of the antenna, interior etc for a 1 year.
(A bunch of people were speculating whether or not this was the 010/011 or an SE)

The SEs have always been slight changes here and there, not expensive.
And grabbing existing engines and tweaking them (new intake etc)

so their sporty car has less power then their SUV? nice.:rolleyes:

Ever driven an automatic V6 Exploder AWD? Even at 265hp the Mustang has a serious advantage.

Meh, cant get to close to the GT, if Ford kept a nice 75hp spread then maybe the next 4.6 will make 340-350hp, still a bit low for parity with the F5 methinks. Unless they have a base V8 like the 4.6 3v is to the GT.

Ever driven an automatic V6 Exploder AWD? Even at 265hp the Mustang has a serious advantage.i know that.;) just saying it would be nice if they tuned it to be better.

Ford's press release on the 2008 Mustang GT pegs it at 3356 w/ manual

If this figure is accurate, that is mighty impressive for a larger 2+2 pony car that has its roots in a Lincoln sedan. Kinda makes us maybe hopeful for a certain other pony car whose weight is of great concern around here? :think:

Or, will this make Zeta look even worse? :o

If this figure is accurate, that is mighty impressive for a larger 2+2 pony car that has its roots in a Lincoln sedan. Kinda makes us maybe hopeful for a certain other pony car whose weight is of great concern around here? :think:

Or, will this make Zeta look even worse? :o

Something doesn't look quite right with the numbers IMHO:

________ 2005 __ 2008 __ Diff

v6 auto - 3387 __ 3345 __ 42 lbs lost
v6 man - 3351 __ 3352 __ 1 lb gained

v8 auto - 3518 __ 3540 __ 22 lbs gained
v8 man - 3483 __ 3356 __ 127 lbs lost

Why would the v8 manual be the only one that lost over 100lbs?
Does the V8 auto trans really weigh 184lbs heavier then the manual?

Something doesn't look quite right with the numbers IMHO:

________ 2005 __ 2008 __ Diff

v6 auto - 3387 __ 3345 __ 42 lbs lost
v6 man - 3351 __ 3352 __ 1 lb gained

v8 auto - 3518 __ 3540 __ 22 lbs gained
v8 man - 3483 __ 3356 __ 127 lbs lost

Why would the v8 manual be the only one that lost over 100lbs?
Does the V8 auto trans really weigh 184lbs heavier then the manual?

I bet the auto trans doesn't weigh that much more. My money is on the numbers being skewed. My experience with press release numbers on vehicle weight is that they are not always spot on, and this doesn't just end with Ford.

There are soo many innacuracies floating around in this thread it is pointless to read. Im not going to, nor am I allowed to explain the future state of the mustang or powertrain options. But I can say that yes, Ford does build convertible prototypes as well as hardtop. If youre going to make a convertible version of a car, its in your best interest to prototype a vert of it as well. And for the people bitching about V6 power output, whats the point. The whole purpose of the V6 option is to keep the price of the vehicle down to the point that anyone can afford to buy a mustang. If 265 hp isnt enough for you, then get the GT!!!

So set the record straight.