If they price gouge the 5th Gen.. I will not buy it..

I'm sorry.. I have a feeling the new Camaro will be around $34-38k. If I walk into a showroom w/ the anticipation to buy a new Camaro and the sticker is $38k, I'll walk out, then go down to the used car lot and buy a C5 Vette. I'm looking to spend $25-$29k for a new Camaro w/ minimal options. (Also depending on my employment status. I could be getting Medically boarded out of the MIL.)


I'm sorry... Scott, I hope you read this, because I guarantee I will not be the only one. This is supposed to be an AFFORDABLE platform to compete w/ the fire storm of Mustang sales. The Challenger is rumored to be priced at $37,900... FK that!

Also.. I have a sneaking suspicion that the way the economy is going, we will be in a recession by the time the new Camaro is out. It was said late last year that people are spending more than they make.. THEN FF to this time of year, they say that people have slowed their spending. This is goign to continue and it will effect GM. The 5th gen will not sell because of the recession and it will start the downfall of GM.. -Don't ask. I went of on a tangent and this is how I see things happening.

Carry on..

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I fear that our beloved Camaro introduction could not come at a worse time in our economy.....gas prices are rising and a recession is definately coming. This sucks..... additionally the cost for GM to build this car in Canada is rising due to the devaluation of the U.S. dollar.
Unfortunately this looks like the "perfect storm"....it figures since I'm involved in it...

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typical worries...Not that they're unfounded. It's just - Well, I don't know. I don't think we're headed for Armageddon. Sure, a little troubles ahead...and why? Because people are stupid..Stop. I'm not going there (breath)...

Okay, when you say 38k...it's relative. What are you looking for? a monster limited-numbers Camaro w/ 500+hp? Or your regular V8 with plenty of giddyup? Rest assured you won't find a regular V8 Camaro for over 35k base-priced. That's suicide. AND it's been said how many times that this is going to be an affordable, Mustang-fighting Car?!?!
The Challenger is...well, a Challenger. Cerebus isn't GM, and the particular SRT8's coming in '08 are meant to be special edition versions. Take away the prestige-pricing on that...and I'd bet you can see 5k stripped off the car. Besides, I have to say it again, because it's so important - Cerebus, and the Challenger isn't GM and the Camaro. GM has told us it will be affordable. Why are you questioning that?;)

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but the Camaro is supposed be a mass-produced, affordable sport coupe. Don't worry. You'll see a V8 for under 30k. If I remember hearing what I heard correctly.

I'm sorry.. I have a feeling the new Camaro will be around $34-38k. If I walk into a showroom w/ the anticipation to buy a new Camaro and the sticker is $38k, I'll walk out, then go down to the used car lot and buy a C5 Vette. I'm looking to spend $25-$29k for a new Camaro w/ minimal options. (Also depending on my employment status. I could be getting Medically boarded out of the MIL.)


I'm sorry... Scott, I hope you read this, because I guarantee I will not be the only one. This is supposed to be an AFFORDABLE platform to compete w/ the fire storm of Mustang sales. The Challenger is rumored to be priced at $37,900... FK that!



$34-$38K for which Camaro with what options? BTW, the Challenger's price is not rumored, it's been announced, but that's for the top of the line SRT8.

I personally think that you'll be able to buy a V8 Camaro within the price range you've mentioned. I'd call that very affordable. You'll also be able to buy a V8 Mustang or V8 Challenger in that price range.

geez...there's no point in getting stressed out now...wait and see what happens. It's still over a year away and there's been no indications that it wont be at or near your price-range. GM knows that if the base Camaro is in $30's, they aren't going to sell too many.

In 2009 Id be willing to bet that one will be able to get a base V-8 Camaro for no more than $31K and if that does happen what a deal that'll be. $34-38k though still isn't bad at all considering the theory of relativity. A 2008 Mustang GT graces the 30K barrier already and 1 year from now it could be roughly at 32k. A G37 coupe is $40k today and an 03 Cobra was 35k new in 03. So even for $34k your getting a brand new Camaro, with IRS, a very compotent v-8 and many amenities whats all the complaining about?

I think the fact that the Camaro is on it's way and we've seen that Camo mule now, is just agonizing knowing we can't drive one for another year. This is what brings upon all these beating a dead horse type questions.

Not that this hasn't been discussed before....... :p


http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548604

At least one person agrees w/ me.. That's all that sort of matters..


Anyway.. I don't think there is one thing in this section that has NOT been discussed.

Oh well.. I had to get it out..

It never seems to amaze me how much people will bitch and complain about stuff. I mean NO information has been released about the models or prices and some of us already want to start complaining. Sure we would all love to have a fully loaded 500 hp Camaro for $25K and you better believe GM would love that too because they couldn't sell enough of them. But just as Scott has always told me, "we will never have the ability to make everybody happy." I'm sure the people complaining now will be the same ones that will complain about their new 5th gen as they drive it around. So for now how about we stop with all of the sky is falling stuff everytime we hear something new about another car coming out. I mean I just heard the new Lambo will have 700hp and will be able to outrun the top of the line 5th Gen. Oh hell, better start worrying about that now. I have said it once and I will say it again, the Challenger SRT was never meant to compete with the Camaro. I still think it will be a limited edition car like the Prowler. I'm done!!

I could live with 34-38 for an LS3 model.

the Challenger SRT was never meant to compete with the Camaro. I still think it will be a limited edition car like the Prowler.

Yes it was and no it won't -- at least, the SRT version won't be any more "limited" than the other SRT8s.

It never seems to amaze me how much people will bitch and complain about stuff. I mean NO information has been released about the models or prices and some of us already want to start complaining. Sure we would all love to have a fully loaded 500 hp Camaro for $25K and you better believe GM would love that too because they couldn't sell enough of them. But just as Scott has always told me, "we will never have the ability to make everybody happy." I'm sure the people complaining now will be the same ones that will complain about their new 5th gen as they drive it around. So for now how about we stop with all of the sky is falling stuff everytime we hear something new about another car coming out. I mean I just heard the new Lambo will have 700hp and will be able to outrun the top of the line 5th Gen. Oh hell, better start worrying about that now.

I agree 10000%^^^^^^^^^^:rolleyes:

LS7 Z28 Vert.
oh please, oh please.
I dont care what it costs!

As long as it has a V8, I'm happy.. I don't need the top of the line..

I was at a Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealership today just to look for a car and I spoke to the salesman there. He said that dealership have already started buying Challengers and that got me exited. I asked him about the price and he mentioned it would be close to the Charger if not exact, but one thing he did mention that they were going to mark up the price. First of all the reason is that dealership know that people are going to buy this car regardless of how the economy is going and second they know ppl are willing to get tilhis car and pay any price for it. Same thing is going to happen with this car. I just hope all goes well in the future in terms of economy and that those who really want this car get the best deal out there.

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made me lol in RL. good ****. seriously people... we've known for years gas prices are going to keep rising.. don't go idiot on us ;) remember the ls2 still gets 25+ mpg just like most other cars, but we have 400hp.

LS7 Z28 Vert.
oh please, oh please.
I dont care what it costs!

If you dont care what it costs, why dont you just buy a base v8 car and swap in an LS7?? Actually, just buy the top of the line v8 car since price doesnt matter and throw in the LS7.

It HAS to be competitively priced with the mustang to survive and last I checked, the GT still starts at 26K.

word has it that it will be around 500 dollars of a mustang with the same options.... so if you price a mustang how you want your camaro.. imagine it will be around that much.

I could live with 34-38 for an LS3 model.

I couldn't. Overpriced in my opinion. Unless you're talking about a FULLY loaded convertible.

To the OP:

Then don't plan on buying a Camaro. Mark my words, the Camaro WILL BE marked up when it first comes out. I've already planned on this. The Mustang was marked up, the vettes were marked up, all new highly anticipated cars will be marked up for the first couple months while supply is extremely low and demand is extremely high.

Again, I am pretty much counting on it being marked up, but I think it will only be until January. If they start building Oct 1st 08, they should be hitting dealers by November. I figure I'll let all the nuts with more money than brains buy theres first until Jan or Feb, and we should be good to go by then. Just my opinion....

I couldn't. Overpriced in my opinion. Unless you're talking about a FULLY loaded convertible.

Just a standard coupe with the 430hp LS3. I think 34-38K seems perfectly reasonable for that. Look at the competiton. To get a Challenger with that much power it's gonna cost 40k, and Mustangs in that price range only put out a measily 312-319hp.

When Ford launched the current-gen Mustang, they did a limited run to get one car to every dealer at launch -- and then stepped up to volume production. Those first cars got gouged, but prices came down as soon as cars hit dealers in quantity.

Chrysler is launching the Challenger the same way -- one early limited run of SRT8s to get at least one to every dealer in the spring, then switching over to volume production in the summer. By September or October of next year, hopefully, every dealer will have plenty of cars and we should be through the worst of the gouging.

It wouldn't surprise me if GM took a similar approach with the Camaro. It's a reasonable compromise -- the dealers get to play fat-n-stupid for a few months, and then everybody gets the car they want at non-ripoff prices.

The 2009 Mustang is getting a refreshening (new front) and the GT is getting a 350hp engine. These cars will be available in fall 2008 as 2009 models. It will NOT be current model Mustang prices that GM will base the new Camaro pricing on, but the reskinned, more powerful Mustangs of MY 2009, which will cost more. I believe the upper end of what Cheryl stated for the V8 car ($27-29 grand) will be reality. So, an LS3 base Camaro should be $29000 plus destination. I would be VERY happy at that. Hopefully, the stock am/fm/cd unit will suffice, and I would be paying extra for the A6 trans and the power window, lock and cruise option. The tilt/telescopic steering column will be standard, as will A/C. Cloth seats are a MUST, since GMs leather seats dont hold up at all for us large persons. UNlike the first 4th gen (93) Trans Ams, I hope that GMS and supplier pricing will be available, since I have been promised a new V8 Camaro at supplier pricing. The only problem is, my GM card money (old 5% card) isnt available with the supplier discount or the GM in the driveway discount.

The 2009 Mustang is getting a refreshening (new front) and the GT is getting a 350hp engine. These cars will be available in fall 2008 as 2009 models. It will NOT be current model Mustang prices that GM will base the new Camaro pricing on, but the reskinned, more powerful Mustangs of MY 2009, which will cost more. I believe the upper end of what Cheryl stated for the V8 car ($27-29 grand) will be reality. So, an LS3 base Camaro should be $29000 plus destination. I would be VERY happy at that. Hopefully, the stock am/fm/cd unit will suffice, and I would be paying extra for the A6 trans and the power window, lock and cruise option. The tilt/telescopic steering column will be standard, as will A/C. Cloth seats are a MUST, since GMs leather seats dont hold up at all for us large persons. UNlike the first 4th gen (93) Trans Ams, I hope that GMS and supplier pricing will be available, since I have been promised a new V8 Camaro at supplier pricing. The only problem is, my GM card money (old 5% card) isnt available with the supplier discount or the GM in the driveway discount.

Honestly, what average car nowadays doesnt have power windows door locks and cruise as standard equipment?

Were not talking about a Kia here. Im sure those features will be STANDARD in EVERY model. Even the base V6 Mustang has power door locks, windows and cruise, as well as power mirrors. If they do not include these features as standard, I will be pissed.

Although, I do have to say, I too would love a nicely equipped LS3 for 29,000. That would make my year.

I would pay 45k for something that has 30-40 more horsepower than the GT500 and has alot of creature comforts. My fear is they dont offer a car with balls. If we cant buy a car that will out run a mustang im gonna be pissed.

I would think the ultimate Camaro will have at least 500hp and should beat the GT500 in the quarter mile and slalom. GM would be stepping on the Z06 crew toes if it had more than that... unless they upped the Z06 horsepower. Now that the Ford GT isnt being produced anymore, there is nothing in the way of huge horsepower numbers coming from the Shelby Mustangs that would hurt another Ford products sales. Ultra high hp Camaro will probably be released after the convertible.

is the "ultra high hp" camaro even 100% being built? or is this all net speculation to begin with?

LS2? The LS2 is gone.
There will be a ultra high Camaro if the market is there.
There will be plenty of performance, its a matter of what you are willing to pay.
Power door locks, windows, ac, things of that nature are common place on anything north of 20k. This isnt the 60's. Its probably cheaper just to engineer electrical parts for power windows and locks then to engineer 2 systems, 2 door pannels, 2 different styles of switches, etc etc....

And going by other people's suspisions, we will see the LS3 for under 30k.
I dont know how people see it, but they do. 430hp is a boat load of power for under 30k
360hp L76, IMO, would be a nice V8 to keep it around 26k, and lessen the standard options.

It will be gouged. Heck, I wouldn't doubt it if GM starts letting celebrities get these cars before we do.
I hope I'm wrong.

I couldn't. Overpriced in my opinion. Unless you're talking about a FULLY loaded convertible.

A 2002 Convertible could be optioned up nearly that high. So I think a fully loaded 'vert probably WILL be closer to the 38k range, if not more, but I hope to see a V8 car right around 30. But if there's a 300-320 horsepower DOHC 6 for mid 20s, that'll probably be the car I buy. If it can hit 60 under 7 seconds and corners in the .85 plus range while getting 18 mpg city, I'll be happy.

I didnt know the base Mustangs had power windows, locks and cruise standard. I was going by the base 02 Camaros. I need to get to a Ford dealer to see what all is standard equipment and what is optional. Thats good news that I could possibly get by with the base V8 and the optional A6 (hopefully).

If it can hit 60 under 7 seconds and corners in the .85 plus range while getting 18 mpg city, I'll be happy.

Only 18 mpg city out of a v6? Hopefully that's the v8 mileage....

is the "ultra high hp" camaro even 100% being built? or is this all net speculation to begin with?It was last rumored to be 12-18 months after the initial "roll-out". However no model specifics have been released at this time for any of the line other than it will be capable of handling a V6 or a V8.

Only 18 mpg city out of a v6? Hopefully that's the v8 mileage....

The 'Vette gets 16 MPG. The CTS only gets 17 city with the DI 3.6 and the Malibu also gets 17 MPG out of the non-DI version of the same engine. Unless the Camaro weighs a lot less than a CTS, which I'm not betting on, I think we're probably looking at 18/19 city tops.

I gurantee dealers will add $2000-4000 mark up. You know the
"gotta have it factor"

I gurantee dealers will add $2000-4000 mark up. You know the "gotta have it factor"
Mark, how the heck are you buddy!?! :D

For $27020 plus dest. ($745), 08 Mustang GTs even include power drivers seat standard. Thats good news, I hope GM follows suit in new Camaro.