detroit1994z28 11-18-2007, 11:25 AM Not sure if I'm in the right forum but anyways I'm considering getting a intercooler for my 94 camaro next summer and I was looking for pictures of any 93-97 camaro that was running a fmic and modified the bumper - to get max. air flow to the intercooler. I wanted to see how it would look in the front without any billet grille covering it or hiding it. Because most I see hid there intercooler. Pictures would help out allot.
Lisa33 11-18-2007, 03:25 PM http://home.koping.net/u3243a/Tavling2004/Tavling2005/tavling2005.htm
CALL911 11-19-2007, 02:56 AM Let my car be proof, you don't need to hack the heck out of your bumper to get air to your FMIC. All I did was cut holes behind my fog lights, and ran an air dam below the front bumper to help direct air from the ground, and my IAT's (before I put on my methanol injection setup) were nice and cool. Having a gaping hole in your front bumper would get more air to your FMIC, but trust me when I say, it is NOT needed.
Here's my car;
http://i17.tinypic.com/6u8erlx.jpg
The SRZ 11-20-2007, 12:05 PM Or you can hack it and be just as cool... :D Just messin w/ ya Ben. ;)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/24616/2135224790037543539S600x600Q85.jpg
Lisa33 11-20-2007, 12:50 PM If you dont like the look of the IC, just paint it...
jsetzer 11-20-2007, 12:57 PM When I had twins...
http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/16179/2880534200100765377S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2880534200100765377XNSGrt)
http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/13662/2406919260100765377S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2406919260100765377OZjajs)
CALL911 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM Or you can hack it and be just as cool... :D Just messin w/ ya Ben. ;)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/24616/2135224790037543539S600x600Q85.jpg
Silas, I normally hate the way hacking up the front bumper makes our cars look. Thats the first pic I guess I have seen of the front of your car. (I guess I didn't get to see the front of it too well in your garage) Honestly, yours looks pretty sweet, even with the hole! Nice work :bow:
blown383 11-20-2007, 03:33 PM Or you can hack it and be just as cool... :D Just messin w/ ya Ben. ;)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/24616/2135224790037543539S600x600Q85.jpg
Looks mean! Did you get the car running yet?
-B
snorkelface 11-20-2007, 03:38 PM Let my car be proof, you don't need to hack the heck out of your bumper to get air to your FMIC. All I did was cut holes behind my fog lights, and ran an air dam below the front bumper to help direct air from the ground, and my IAT's (before I put on my methanol injection setup) were nice and cool. Having a gaping hole in your front bumper would get more air to your FMIC, but trust me when I say, it is NOT needed.
Here's my car;
http://i17.tinypic.com/6u8erlx.jpg
Are you running a separate air dam for the intercooler by itself? I'm just trying to figure how the airflow is going.
97WS6Pilot 11-20-2007, 04:18 PM If you put some flat black paint on the intercooler you would never know it wasn't factory.:)
roguedriver 11-20-2007, 04:29 PM Mine...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p74/roguedriver/Intercooler/intercooler015.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p74/roguedriver/Intercooler/intercooler017.jpg
Ken R.
CALL911 11-21-2007, 04:03 AM Are you running a separate air dam for the intercooler by itself? I'm just trying to figure how the airflow is going.
I made more of a seperate air inlet that comes down from the front bumper and directs air directly to the FMIC, and I have cut out the areas behind my foglights. Since the small air inlet sticks down a little, it took a little air away from my air dam for the radiator, so I ended up extending that air dam a little to help keep my engine temps down. Heres a little better pic.
http://i13.tinypic.com/8e95h6c.jpg
Boosted_Z28 11-22-2007, 06:16 PM Here's a couple of shots of mine...It's pretty big and fits good with the bumper support removed. :D
http://www.tcg-racing.com/Pictures/Misc/FMIC2.JPG
http://www.tcg-racing.com/Pictures/Misc/Frontend1.JPG
wicked_95z 11-26-2007, 09:04 AM http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/wicked_95z/IMG_1063.jpg
c0rey 11-26-2007, 06:01 PM what size are you guys running
KyleW93z 11-27-2007, 02:56 PM http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/Kwalk2007/DSC05308.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/Kwalk2007/DSC05309.jpg
axehead 11-27-2007, 09:16 PM are these FMIC's the problem with boosted cars running hot with the ac on in the summertime?
CALL911 11-27-2007, 09:57 PM Boosted cars seem to run hotter with or without intercooling.
KyleW93z 11-28-2007, 12:34 AM My temp stays at 210 almost always, except in 100+ degrees.
z28draco 11-28-2007, 11:58 AM you shoudl consider a small air to water, way easier on space in our cars
snorkelface 11-28-2007, 01:23 PM you shoudl consider a small air to water, way easier on space in our cars
Yeah, but those are really suited for drag race cars. They lose their efficiency over extended operating periods.
ponyackn 12-01-2007, 04:58 PM [QUOTE=CALL911;4998274]Let my car be proof, you don't need to hack the heck out of your bumper to get air to your FMIC. All I did was cut holes behind my fog lights, and ran an air dam below the front bumper to help direct air from the ground, and my IAT's (before I put on my methanol injection setup) were nice and cool. Having a gaping hole in your front bumper would get more air to your FMIC, but trust me when I say, it is NOT needed.
What are your iat's like compared to before? I would never want to chop up my TA's face neither. Could help me figure out if I'll have to go with a front mount or a vortech aftercooler. The options don't seem plentiful for intercooling with vortech.
CALL911 12-01-2007, 05:15 PM If you got a T/A, you might be hosed, as I don't think you can squeeze a large FMIC in the front.
Ask 97WS6Pilot. He is running an intercooler of somesort in his car. He made an adjustment to his bumper, but I don't think it looks to bad. Here's a pic of his car.
http://steveriddle.home.insightbb.com/images/26f0a41554.JPG
xxsaint69x 12-02-2007, 12:55 AM http://lt1ultraz.com/Random/Track/track1.jpg
97s10ondubs 12-02-2007, 08:33 AM Saint where did you get that grill, i'm going to cut my front for the cooler and wanted to put a grill on it.
Kredz28 12-03-2007, 12:14 PM http://lt1ultraz.com/Random/Track/track1.jpg
This looks really badass..im going to be doing a similar setup when going with an fmic...good lookin car saint! Looks like mine:D
slomarao 12-04-2007, 12:38 AM i got the same one or one very close to it off ebay. Under 100 if i remember
z28draco 12-04-2007, 10:29 AM Yeah, but those are really suited for drag race cars. They lose their efficiency over extended operating periods.
not really, vortech includes them on all their s/c kits and look at the ford gt and 2003-2008 shelby gt500, they use a heat exchanger to keep the coolant for the liquid to air cool...the efficiency of the system is based on who builds it...
snorkelface 12-04-2007, 02:14 PM not really, vortech includes them on all their s/c kits and look at the ford gt and 2003-2008 shelby gt500, they use a heat exchanger to keep the coolant for the liquid to air cool...the efficiency of the system is based on who builds it...
That's the information that I got from the turbo kit builder and the shop I'm working with. My car will be road raced as well, so maybe that was the final determining factor. At extended WOT periods, the fluids cannot sit in the tank long enough to cool.
z28draco 12-04-2007, 08:52 PM That's the information that I got from the turbo kit builder and the shop I'm working with. My car will be road raced as well, so maybe that was the final determining factor. At extended WOT periods, the fluids cannot sit in the tank long enough to cool.
the ford gt was built for road coarse type racing, and it stays plenty cool...
snorkelface 12-04-2007, 09:34 PM the ford gt was built for road coarse type racing, and it stays plenty cool...
To each his own I guess. I'll trust the advise of the people building the individual kit myself. That's the same info I also received from several notables. You also need to take into account that the manufacturer of a full car can implement the system in different ways, which can be very dissimilar to an add-on style kit.
97s10ondubs 12-04-2007, 10:23 PM I dont know about the GT, but I do know that cobras have serious heat soak problems with the air/water. They lose a lot of hp on back to back dyno pulls, and my friends always complained about them on their cobras. I would do a nice size air/air, which I'm doing btw.
Geoff Chadwick 12-05-2007, 11:31 AM FWIW I went Air/Water and only look back when I see people with some of these really really clean air/air setups.
The intercooler core is like 4" thick, 3.5" tall, and 20" long. It mounts above the driver's side valve cover like the Vortech one does (with similar style end tanks). I'm going to move it though as you cant even adjust the rockers without pulling it, and thats a lot of work. It does heat soak a little bit, but its actually not that bad.
I'm also using a pair of 10.5"x11" transmission coolers mounted in parallel where ATI wants you to mount the twin intercoolers. Each has a scoop for it and a pretty beefy puller fan mounted to the backside. The PTK Liquid cooler kit used ONE of these exchangers. I looked at the maximum flow of the core, pump, and lines and found one exhchanger would bottle neck the flow. According to the numbers, even two of these things parallel are still providing the largest flow restriction.
Then I've got a 4.X gallon water tank where the spare used to be in the trunk, with the pump mounted to its underside. That was pretty easy to get in there - made the tank myself so it actually mounts to the same bracket that holds the spare tire in place.
Running the two 3/4" lines from the front to the back of the car was the killer. There is plenty of pump head thanks to the bosch pump (the one ford uses) but I'm just paranoid the lines will get trashed under the car. I had to run the lines on the driver's side - but my downpipe also comes down that side as well. You can imagine how comfortable it makes me feel trying to slide those lines around near the downpipe.
The performance is great, but I'm just not 100% happy with how it turned out. I'm either going to re-do the intercooler and mount it somewhere else and tun the 3/4" lines through the cabin to the trunk -- or I'll just end up going air/air.
The SRZ 12-05-2007, 12:28 PM Not mine but here's another one.
http://fastbluetoys.com/Media/TurboProject/EngineBay9-16-04/Dsc01593.jpg
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