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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 11:45 PM
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Currency cripples US Ute, Holden Sportwagon saved by exports

I'm suprised this hasn't popped up here.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2573760010A65C

Currency cripples US Ute

Global utility: A strong Aussie dollar has hurt the VE Ute's US export propects.

Exchange rates slow plan for Ute to follow VE-based Pontiac sedan as second US export

By JAMES STANFORD 16 October 2007


THE soaring Australian dollar could cripple Holden’s plans to export the VE Ute to the United States.

It has been widely anticipated that the new Ute would be sold in the US as Pontiac or GMC, but GM product chief Bob Lutz has told GoAuto the strength of the Australian dollar could see that plan shelved.

When Mr Lutz visited Holden in Melbourne last week, the Australian dollar had pushed past the US90-cent mark.

GoAuto asked Mr Lutz if that would be an issue when it came to deciding whether the VE Ute would be sold in the US.

“That is why we are not announcing any plans for the Ute at this point because we have to wait and see how the Australian dollar develops against the US dollar, because at some point it stops making sense,” he said.

“We would either lose money on the importation or sale, which we are clearly not going to do, or we would have to raise the price to the point where it no longer represents solid value.”

GM Holden managing director Chris Gubbey said the value of the dollar would be part of decision-making process regarding whether the Ute goes to the US, but remained hopeful. “We have got Utes over there under evaluation so we still have hopes that that is something we could look forward to,” he said.

Mr Lutz said if Holden imported more vehicles from the US, the currency issue would not be as pressing. “The problem is that we really don’t have enough of a product flow from the US to Australia at this point,” he said.

“If you have a two-way flow you can tell yourself, ‘I don’t care what the exchange rates do, what I lose on one I gain on the other’, but we aren’t at this point yet.”

Mr Lutz did not mention Cadillac cars being launched in Australia, but it clear any such move would help the Australia-US balance of trade.

Mr Gubbey told GoAuto that Cadillac was still under “serious review,” but would not confirm the American brand would come here or when it might do so.

As GoAuto reported last week, Mr Lutz also confirmed that a Torana-sized compact RWD vehicle based on GM’s new Alpha platform was in development and would be an obvious model for Australia. While the currency concerns could affect the plan to sell the Ute in the US, Mr Lutz said the Commodore sedan-based G8 was still on track to be launched in the US early next year.

He added that GM would not change the prices it had just announced to cover for the rise of the US currency. “We reviewed the situation and at this point, the announced export program, which is the Pontiac G8 saloon is still looking okay, it is not looking as good as it did a few months ago, but it is still well worth doing,” Mr Lutz said.

“What we don’t want to do is make the mistake that we made last time with the GTO, which was also a time in which the Aussie dollar strengthened as opposed to our original estimates. What we did then was keep the margin and passed it on in the price. So we got up into never-never land for a Pontiac and destroyed the momentum of the car,” he said.

According to Mr Lutz, the G8 pricing – which starts from $US27,595 ($A30,450) for the base V6 model – is very competitive. “We are going to sell at a price that the average person interested in the car would perceive as fantastic value,” he said.

As for the Ute, Mr Lutz would not say when GM would decide if the Ute would be sold to the US. “(There is) no firm timing on a decision and it is certainly way too early to announce that it is a firm program,” Mr Lutz said.

“We just have to look at all aspects of it. How it would fit into the US model program. It is a great vehicle, I drove it today, it looks sensational, I think Americans would absolutely love it. I personally think it would be a smash hit, but we will see.”

Mr Lutz said the rising Australian dollar could certainly prove problematic for local companies who export products. “Listen, any country that has a combination of relatively high wages and benefits, plus a very strong currency is going to find exports very difficult. That is a bad combination to have,” he said.

“Obviously, if I was the government, I would worry about where the Australian dollar was going because a high currency does impact on your exports.” It is not all doom and gloom according to Mr Lutz, who said the exchange rate pain would probably ease.

“These things tend to correct themselves,” he said. “If a country gets itself non-competitive from an exchange rate perspective, it results in a reduction in exports and sales and then imports rise and the currency falls to adjust.” Mr Lutz pointed to the US experience as an example.

“We used to have a very strong dollar, there was zero export potential out of the US, we imported everything, and now we have got a low dollar and we are restructuring all of our industries to a somewhat lower wage and benefits rate and so I think the US is highly competitive,” he said.

“It goes in cycles, you know, nothing is forever, so in the long term I wouldn’t get too depressed about it.”

Mr Gubbey said the rising Australian dollar did hurt its export income, but added that Holden was not alone in this regard. “It makes it tough for all manufacturing in Australia, it is not just an automotive issue,” he said. “It makes being lean and efficient much more important, not just for us, but also our supply base.”

Mr Gubbey said exports might be more difficult with such a strong dollar, but the company was not about to walk away from them.”

“You can’t produce a world-class car and put that amount of money in it and just build it for the Australian market. You need to get that balance of being global,” he said.
Old Oct 16, 2007 | 11:47 PM
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Sportwagon saved by exports

It's a wagon, sport: VE Sportwagon breaks official cover in Sydney.

Holden’s VE Commodore wagon was no certainty - until its export potential emerged

By MARTON PETTENDY and BYRON MATHIOUDAKIS 16 October 2007


GM HOLDEN has confirmed that its export potential is the major reason for the VE Sportwagon’s being – and that it will have a smaller cargo area than the model it replaces.

As a result, Holden concedes the next-generation Commodore wagon, which officially broke cover at last Thursday’s Sydney motor show opening in the shape of the VE Sportwagon concept, is likely to attract fewer business buyers than the VZ Commodore wagon it replaces – a model it says was one of the world’s biggest wagons.

Ford president Tom Gorman has already stated his delight that Holden has “handed that market to us”, but Holden says that more lucrative sales to private customers, who are expected to be drawn to the lifestyle-oriented VE wagon in greater numbers than before, will more than compensate for the downturn in (less profitable per-unit) fleet sales.

If approved for US exports, the Sportwagon would follow in the footsteps of the VE Commodore SS sedan (to be badged as the Pontiac G8) and, despite reservations about slimmer profits due to the strong Aussie dollar (see separate story), the VE Ute.

“Sportwagon is next cab off the export rank,” a GMH executive told GoAuto. “The Ute is now under study and the wagon will follow it.

“The success in the US of wagons like the Dodge Magnum shows Americans have rediscovered the wagon.

“It’s smaller inside but it will gain with private sales more than what it loses in fleets sales – maybe not in terms of (sales) volume, but definitely in terms of (profit) margins. There was no money in fleet sales anyway.”

New GM Holden chairman and managing director Chris Gubbey said that while overall cargo space may be reduced, the practicality of Holden’s wagon will increase.

“To get the style it’s a matter of balance, but it still has an impressive load space.

“Obviously you’re getting something that I really do believe redefines the wagon segment. If you look at the design, with the rear opening window, the tailgate that opens to almost vertical and the higher platform for the load space – it all makes it exceedingly practical,” he said.

Speaking at the Sydney show last week, design boss Tony Stolfo said Holden is investigating all export opportunities for the vehicle. If given the green light, North America would be the wagon’s first port of call outside Australia and New Zealand.

“We’d love to see it exported,” he told GoAuto. “It has big export appeal. If you look at the (Pontiac) G8… it’s a natural.”

While he would not divulge any more details about wagon exports, Mr Stolfo did mention how many he would like to see crossing the Pacific.

“10,000 (units per annum) would be good,” he said.


Mr Stolfo indicated that there are still some legislative and governmental hurdles to overcome before final confirmation can be made of any pending export deal.

Despite it ‘being a natural’, he did reveal that a wagon version of the $1 billion-plus VE program was not an automatic certainty.

“(Initially) there was not a lot of support for it. We had to choose which (of the many VE bodystyle proposals) to run with.”

However, Holden’s big brass began to change its corporate mind once it saw early three-dimensional renderings.

“When they saw the full-sized clay model they were convinced,” he said.

Mr Stolfo said that expanding the wagon’s appeal beyond fleet buyers is central to the VE wagon using the sedan’s shorter wheelbase, rather than the long-wheelbase Statesman/Caprice structure that has been the basis of all large Holden wagons since the 1971 HQ, including the outgoing VZ Commodore wagon.

“The market is shifting,” believes Mr Stolfo. “Things like novated leasing are pushing for choice, for more aspirational vehicles. And premium wagons are big. So we need to produce a wagon with loads of functionality but with increased appeal.”

While not abandoning the traditional wagon market altogether with a shorter vehicle offering less cargo space, Holden is after the sort of lifestyle-orientated person who might consider a Mazda 6, Subaru Outback or even a BMW 5 Series wagon.

“We needed a sportier design,” he admitted.

A greater female focus was also deemed important, necessitating a more compact design that is easier to park than the last Commodore wagon.

Holden is hoping that the wagon it calls the Sportwagon will score sales from people wary of the growing global backlash against larger SUVs.

“There is a stigma associated with SUVs,” Mr Stolfo said.

“So to launch a new wagon in this timeframe is the right thing to do.

“It will attract sedan and traditional wagon buyers, and it may even pull people out of SUVs,” he added.

Don’t expect VE-AWD
GM HOLDEN has always said the VE Commodore sedan and its utility and wagon bodystyle derivatives are “package-protected” for all-wheel drive, but don’t expect to see an AWD version of the Sportwagon from Holden any time soon.

Asked if an AWD Sportwagon was possible, Holden design chief Tony Stolfo said part of the VE architecture’s flexibility includes the provision for it.

“It’s been designed to take 4WD, with a transfer case moulded into the floor. When you start exporting to cold-climate markets (then) it has international appeal,” he said.

However, Mr Stolfo dismissed speculation that AWD VE sedans and wagons are on their way into dealer showrooms.

“I can’t say that it will be produced,” he said.

Another GMH executive said the limited US demand for AWD, except in the colder northern states, made the technology difficult to justify for production.

“We wouldn’t get our money back on it,” he said.


AFM: Not yet and not for V6
GM HOLDEN chose the VE Sportwagon concept in which to give Active Fuel Management its local debut, but the company says it is not compatible with V6 engines and won’t divulge when Australians will have access to the fuel-saving technology.

Asked when AFM would be seen in Holden models, chairman and managing director Chris Gubbey said: “Like every other product, it’s a matter of making sure it’s the right time to introduce it. So there’s no definitive timing for it.”

The AFM cylinder deactivation system will be fitted to the Holden-built, VE Commodore sedan-based Pontiac G8, which will soon be exported to the US – possibly as a precursor to introducing it in V8-engined Commodores in Australia, as a key component within the rumoured VE Series II upgrade next year.

Asked why the introduction of the significant new fuel consumption reduction system had been delayed for Australia, Mr Gubbey said: “It’s not a matter of being delayed – this program’s extremely complex.

“In terms of getting the packaging right and everything else – we’ve done that on the back of the G8 program, which then obviously makes it much easier to transfer over to our models,” he said.

Mr Gubbey said the fitment of AFM to V6 engines was unlikely. “Usually with AFM you do need that large capacity engine. With smaller capacity engines it actually becomes a technique that becomes counter-productive,” he said.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 06:57 AM
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Maybe when the MexAmeriCanada union is formalized and we go to a common currency thay can make it happen.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:20 AM
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What should we discuss. The US dollar is weak and our debt is never ending. Every politician does not want to touch the subject for fear of political suicide. We discuss this daily.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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Can we start a pool as to the date that the Australian dollar and the American dollar will hit 1 to 1?

I call Aug. 2008!
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:03 AM
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September 2008! See I just Prices Righted you. LOL
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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What should we discuss. The US dollar is weak and our debt is never ending. Every politician does not want to touch the subject for fear of political suicide. We discuss this daily.

Every person you ask will give you a different idea about why our economy is falling here in the US and why our dollar is falling with it, but what I have highlighted in your post above is ONE of the linch-pin driving the whole mess - a MAJOR one.

Regardless of your political affiliation, you can not deny that the wars we are fighting are being financed by foreign countries - namely Japan and China. We (the USA) are BROKE. We owe more than we make - try it at home sometime and see if any banks, family, or friends will keep loaning you money with no end in sight.

We are fighting a war that we can not "win".
It will NOT bring us anything tangible, worth value, that we can use to pay back the money spent waging the war.
We will be upside-down in our finances for years - making us bad credit risks.
Now, take into account that we are ENCOURAGING a multi-billion dollar trade deficit with the same countries that are financing our war and it gets even worse.
You are essentially giving billion$ of dollars in trade surplus to the people who are holding all of your assets as collateral on loans anyways. They "loan you money" and you turn right around and "give it back to them" for exchange of goods and services.

In the end, "they" have all the money, "they" hold leins against everything the US government and private lenders own, but "we" have a bunch of cheap plastic sh1+ in our homes with lead paint on it, we have a bunch of dead or disabled veteran kids, we have fewer allies throughout the entire world, and we are BROKE with NO MORE CREDIT.

We've lived large at the party for years now, but the barkeeper wants us to pay our tab and leave. We are not welcome at the International Club anymore... we have worn out our welcome... get it?

Point-to-ponder...
IF we took all the money spent on the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Nation of "Terror", and the Axis of Evil, and we spent that money on refineries for ethanol, corn production, distribution systems, and alternate fuel vehicle development, just how dependent would we be on foreign oil then? And if the LARGEST consumer of oil (in the world) was no longer a key consumer in the market, then just how much leverage would the Middle East have on us? How bad would we need them and their oil?
Is it impossible?
Brazil's Road to Energy Independence
"The government predicts that for the first time in its history, Brazil will achieve energy equilibrium, exporting as much oil as it imports. The production of sugar cane-based ethanol is expected to reach an all-time high. And just three years after the introduction here of flex-fuel vehicles -- cars that run on either ethanol or gasoline -- several major automakers predict that such vehicles will represent 100 percent of their production by the end of the year, eliminating gas-only models."

Food for thought.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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"As GoAuto reported last week, Mr Lutz also confirmed that a Torana-sized compact RWD vehicle based on GM’s new Alpha platform was in development and would be an obvious model for Australia"

I woner how long before Aussies get this car? Guy said in another post that we're looking at 2012 before for a US timeframe.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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Proud, I agree whole heatedly. My career is in business. I do finance for a living. I took years of accounting and economic courses. If I saw a company with these problems, I would not do business with them for fear of risk. We are in a large hole without a rope to get out. The U.S. really needs to look at what it is doing. It takes nothing to destroy a country through economics.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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ProudPony -- very well put, there's enormous big-picture problems here, and things are going to get pretty ugly.

However, in this specific case, having a weak currency discourages imports (everything, not just the Ute), and encourages American manufacturing and exports. In some respects this is the best situation for those in the auto industry.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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Every time I hear a new article about the damage the deficit is doing, the 2 things I think of immediately is how that deficit is being financed by other countries (especially China) and those retards on this very site who regurgitated that "Deficits are good because you starve the beast and keep spending under control" mantra under their imaginary "conservative Republican" banner. Haven't heard much of that garbage repeated lately, so I guess the meds wore off.


The issues with our economy don't have squat to do with whether you're Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal. Excessive government spending is a LOCAL issue by local politicians who "bring home the bacon" to get reelected.... and as we have seen the past 7 years, Republicans are by no way immune to spending like there's no tomorrow either. Money and economics have no political philosophy or association. Either you have money, or you don't. Either you have a strong economy or you don't. Period.


Let's put this in a way even the most mindless, pro-deficit, idiot who thinks the rest of the world doesn't matter when it comes to the US will understand....

If you got a 10% raise the past 6 years, you actually got a 40% pay cut as far as Europe is concerned, a 20% cut as far as Korea is concerned, a 60% cut as far as Australia is concerned, and even the to the Russians, you got a 15% pay cut. Or to look at it in an inverted way, to those countries, you are that same percentage poorer.


The value of the US dollar has dropped nearly 70% against the Australian dollar since 2000.

The Euro was just under 90 cents going into 2001. Today it's just under $1.50... just over a 50% increase in 6 years.

In 2001, you could buy 1290 Sounth Korean Wons per dollar. Today you can buy just over 900, roughly a 30% drop in the value of our money.

Our dollar bought $2.33 New Zealand dollars in 2001. Today it buys just $1.32, roughly a 40% drop in the value of our money.

You could buy 32 Russian rubles per dollar in 2002. Today, you can only buy 24, so the US dollar has dropped 25% against even the Russian economy.



IMO, we are drifting dangerously close to being a 2nd world nation. Our economy is being handed to other countries by lending us the money to pay our deficits.
The weak US dollar isn't going to attract much manufacturing when those countries whose businesses are free to move manufacturing to other countries are going to choose China, and even Mexico over the US because labor is cheaper still. We're stuck between a rock & a hard place because cheap labor enters the country not just from across the Rio Grande, but also the Pacific Ocean as even the Atlantic as well. So our own wages aren't going to increase anywhere in the forseeable future.. and because of the falling dollar, our wages in the real world are plunging at a level that will scare the s*it out of you



In the REAL world, someone is paying the bill. Either you are paying it, or someone is giving you credit and you owe them. There's still that fantasy (not just with some here but in the US in general) that taxes are alwaysbad, and should always be cut. There's also that same fantasy that the military is free, roads and bridges are free, air traffic controlers and Homeland Security is free, as is the hundred or so other items that they use every day without taking a second to think about whose paying for that. If there is a short fall in paying for that item you're using, China and a whole host of countries will be glad to pay for it for you...... as long as you're paying them intrest.

Beating down every attempt to cut back pouring $1 billion dollars every single week ($52 billion annually) down that no-puropse rathole called Iraq while calling yourself a fiscal conservative after vetoing an extra $6 billion that would cover the health of 6.6 million children of our own country, vetoing an extra billion for additional security here in the US, or vetoing a mere $110 million for more police isn't exactly my idea of "fiscal conservatism" or a "America First" attitude.

So there's a stark choice. Raise taxes to pay for what we're spending and owe while at the same time cutting back on everything that doesn't do the country or it's citizens any good, or the alternative of basically giving away the United States of America to other entities who'll foot the bill for you in exchange for part ownership.

This isn't a conservative or a liberal situation or solution, and is has zip to do if you're Republican or Democrat. It's Finance 101, Economics 101, and Business 101.

Either you pay your own bills, and retain your own independence, or someone else will at the expense of the independence.

The issue with importing the Ute will spread to other items in the future if we don't start getting the economy in check.

Originally Posted by Chuck!
"As GoAuto reported last week, Mr Lutz also confirmed that a Torana-sized compact RWD vehicle based on GM’s new Alpha platform was in development and would be an obvious model for Australia"

I woner how long before Aussies get this car? Guy said in another post that we're looking at 2012 before for a US timeframe.
Aussies get the car same time we do.

If I'm not mistaken, production of the Alpha will also be here. It was part of the agreement with the UAW.

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So there's a stark choice. Raise taxes to pay for what we're spending and owe while at the same time cutting back on everything that doesn't do the country or it's citizens any good.
The former is inevitable, the latter will never happen (and only get worse as politicians scramble to suck the big fat golden cow dick). I wonder what portion of the Feds debt is clearly made up of frivolous spending?
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 05:57 PM
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ProudPony -- very well put, there's enormous big-picture problems here, and things are going to get pretty ugly.

However, in this specific case, having a weak currency discourages imports (everything, not just the Ute), and encourages American manufacturing and exports. In some respects this is the best situation for those in the auto industry.

Thats all well and good, but what does America have to export (besides heaps of BS)?

I think I heard on the radio the other night, we only managed to export 600,000 vehicles total compared to another single manufacturer (cant remember which one) who imported 900,000 alone.
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Do the Brazillians produce Ethanol powered cars or do they import cars and convert them to run on E100?
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Do the Brazillians produce Ethanol powered cars or do they import cars and convert them to run on E100?
Brazil gets 30% of it's fuel from ethanol, and roughly 1/3 of the cars sold in Brazil use ethanol or "gasohol" exclusively.

GM Ford Nissan and Honda make cars in Brazil. Since early this decade, most cars have been flex fuel instead of gasoline or ethanol.

Brazil doesn't have a special law mandating ethanol vehicles. Ethanol is 1/3 to 1/2 cheaper than gasoline in Brazil, so the market takes care of itself. The reason why ethanol hasn't taken an even bigger chunk of sales is that there have been ethanol shortages in the past. One that virturally dried up the market.

The US can import ethanol from Brazil far cheaper than it can be produced here. Not only because of lower labor and manufacturing costs from being a so-called "3rd world" nation, but because Brazillian ethanol is based on sugar cane. Suger can is far easier and cheaper in producing ethanol than using corn which we are using here.

Yes.... you already see the politics in play against importing cheap ethanol to the US. US farming lobbists who see ethanol as a way to get more money for corn as fuel than they can selling corn for food, and energy companies who are getting huge tax breaks for investing in ethanol without really getting very much done, and gaining larger profits for what they do sell.

As a payoff, we impose a 54 cent per gallon tarriff on imported ethanol. A tarrif that doesn't exist on gasoline.

All imported ethanol comes from Brazil. However, while we produce 4 billion gallons of ethanol here, we import just 100 million gallons from Brazil.

But the whole thing is moot regardless. The volume of oil based fuels the US consumes is utterly mindblowing, and will never be replaced with pure ethanol, or even gasohol based vehicles.

We use 755.5 billion gallons of automotive fuel per year.

As you can imagine, the mere 4 billion gallons of ethanol produced here seems more tax shelter and a way to jack up corn prices than something that has any hope of doing any good.

The shear volume of corn needed to even begin to make a dent in oil consumption gurantees that we'll starve before we see any impact. And that doesn't take into consideration that it takes more ethanol to do the same work as gasoline or diesel.



If anyone's intrested, we use 386 million gallons of automotive fuel (gas & diesel) per day.



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