i can see why computer games are dieing

i just bought i game for the pc and of course it doesnt work:mad:. i meet all the minimum recommendations on the back of the box. there is way to many variations between computers to make a game to work on a computer i just bought this new thing 2 months ago and this game doesnt even work.

just easier to buy games for 360 you know there always gona work.

same problem and i swore to never buy another pc game again

x360 and ps3 blows away and pc game anyways

They've never been as successful as console games. You do have a few exceptions like The Sims or WOW/Everquest.

which game is it thats not working and do you have any ideas why? As much as I love my consoles, PCs still are the real home for the FPS and RTS games. The control scheme is worth the troubleshooting

Well then you run into the problem...is my 360 going to work? Or, is the game I want to play on actually available for PS3, and did the publisher do a good job porting it over (EA, anyone)? There aren't many PC-esque games for the Wii, certainly no RTS or non-Metroid FPS entries.

I ran into the same problem as you once with Command and Conquer 3. I bought a damaged disc *new* from a Target. Rather than return it, I just had it resurfaced locally and went about my gaming.

There are drawbacks to all of them. Try updating those video drivers yet?

PC games are dying? They're doing better than they ever have.

They are still the best platform for RTS/FPS/MMO games.

Dope

I prefer PC gaming. Keyboard/mouse>console controller

Plus you can upgrade your hardware whenever. And you can do lots of other nifty things with your PC.

:)

The only recent game I can directly compare is Bioshock. And the PC version destroys the Xbox 360 version in my opinion. I admit I have a decent PC to run the game but there is no comparison. The only reason I have a console (Wii) is for multiplayer games when I have company over.

shut up consolefags. No one loves you.

Minimum requirements are what you need to INSTALL the game. You're not playing anything and having fun on minimum requirements.

I swear you guys get a $300 pos dell and act surprised when you can't run any games, but are more than willing to shell out 4-5-600 for a console, and $100 or more extra for memory, controllers, etc.

PC games are dying? They're doing better than they ever have.

They are still the best platform for RTS/FPS/MMO games.

Dope

you call me a dope because you dont like the statement? :rolleyes:

better then ever??? you could walk into EB games when ps1 was out and see all the walls the whole store filled with computer games now you walk into the store and luck if you find a small rack full and you think there doing better then they ever have?

i find very few people playing computer games any more and even then its mostly because there games not avalible on consul.

its silent hunter: wolves of the pacific i dont know what the problem is. i can go all through it and loads the game and then the screen goes black and freezes. im not the best with computers.

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shut up consolefags. No one loves you.

Minimum requirements are what you need to INSTALL the game. You're not playing anything and having fun on minimum requirements.

I swear you guys get a $300 pos dell and act surprised when you can't run any games, but are more than willing to shell out 4-5-600 for a console, and $100 or more extra for memory, controllers, etc.
i paid a lot more then 300 bucks for this computer lol.

minimum requirements to install just to install? well whats the point of just installing a game? you need the game to work and function properly so the minimum requirements should be set at that not what it takes to just install it.


part of the problems with pcs is there so diverse there is so many combinations of parts. where consuls are all same all 360s are the same ps3 are all same.

i just bought i game for the pc and of course it doesnt work:mad:. i meet all the minimum recommendations on the back of the box. there is way to many variations between computers to make a game to work on a computer i just bought this new thing 2 months ago and this game doesnt even work.

just easier to buy games for 360 you know there always gona work.

I've got a 4 year old PC and I have been playing Team Fortress 2, Bioshock, BF2, BF2142, and a bunch of other recent games on it.
It's an old P4 2.8ghz with 2gigs of Ram and an X1950Pro video card.

I won't play a FPS on console. Period.

The PS3 is supposed to start supporting kb/mouse with their fps games... so they may be some competition for the PC - not in state of the art but at least in playability.

The 360 seems to think that crappy controller will be fine since most of their users have no idea that it sucks as bad as it does.

you call me a dope because you dont like the statement? :rolleyes:


Adam isn't calling you or anybody else a dope. That's how he ends all of his posts. Search for any of his other posts, they all end that way.

Dope. :p

you call me a dope because you dont like the statement? :rolleyes:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/mdenz3/failboat2.jpg

:lol: Second time adams sig was taken the wrong way. he wasnt calling you a dope, thats his nick name. fwiw, you could buy all the consoles plus games and still be under cost for a good gaming pc. the pc can do other things of course, but ive always been a console guy and pc hands dont typically interest me. :)

:lol: Second time adams sig was taken the wrong way. he wasnt calling you a dope, thats his nick name. fwiw, you could buy all the consoles plus games and still be under cost for a good gaming pc. the pc can do other things of course, but ive always been a console guy and pc hands dont typically interest me. :)
well i feel stupid all thought not as stupid as that picture of the boat.

pc game play has always seemed better but after this is the 2 game i have tried to play on this computer and had problems i wont buy another. i dont think i would have bought it for the pc except i love the silent hunter series and you cant get them for consul.

well i feel stupid all thought not as stupid as that picture of the boat.

:lol: Don't take it personaly, I just like the fail boat and have been dying to use it. :D

Never understood the PC allure. I hate the keyboard/mouse combo in comparison to a controller and with my $130 PS2, I'm assured that any and every game will work with it.

Sounds like a hardware problem. If you knew computers well enough, I'm sure you could solve the problem.

PC > Console

Hmm apparently I'm mostly wrong. I found a good article to sum things up:

http://www.be-something.com/2007/09/28/pc-software-sales-extremetechs-pc-gaming-myths/

PC games have been on the decline for a while, with only a recent small upswing/levelling off. I guess it makes sense when you consider that there's several big name consoles out there now, not to mention the portables. Consoles can reach a wider audience due to ease of use too (lots of kids games out there, for example Pokemon games being one of the biggest sellers it seems).

Definitely looks like PC games have a massive edge in certain genres, mainly like I already mentioned (RTS/FPS/MMO). That's pretty much all I play, though I do have a PS2 for Guitar Hero.

Dope

mouselook > *

mouselook > *

THANK you.

I could never play a shooter on a console when the difficulty is directly dependent on how much lateral movement the enemies utilize.

I guess since I have always had a clue, I dont know how people can be so... . stupid??

I have not used a console since the original Nintendo.. I have been on comp games since and never looked back.. Never had any issue with any game running.. only issues I ever had are with games just not being worth playing..

PC's are great for FPS/RTS/MMO's and....well that's really it.

If you are into any RPG, action/adventure, sports, puzzle, family, basically any other genre no computer can even come close to competing. The sheer quantity makes it impossible.

They've never been as successful as console games. You do have a few exceptions like The Sims or WOW/Everquest.I think the reasons for this are black and white, pc's cost 1k on average for any remotely good gaming pc, sometimes you have to know what your doing to get the game to work. Many require online to play costing more money. However PC games graphics dominate any console, no contest. And fps suck on consoles, racing games are good on them though.

mouselook > *

When it comes to fine control, you can't beat a mouse and keyboard, no matter how much I play the Wii, PS3, or Xbox, those stupid little thumb controls frustrate me to no end.

Sports games console > * no contest

everything else PC > *

I feel you. I can't even play the newest Rainbow 6 game. There is no bigger disappointment than getting home and finding out your game doesn't work.

PC's are great for FPS/RTS/MMO's and....well that's really it.

If you are into any RPG, action/adventure, sports, puzzle, family, basically any other genre no computer can even come close to competing. The sheer quantity makes it impossible.

RPG is quite good on PC, so is action/adventure. Sports, yep console has it there. Puzzle, family, everything else is good on PC.

Sports is really the only thing I play on consoles now.

Oh, and sports on a PC with a decent controller is damn good on a PC.

PC > Console.

Whatever you do, don't tell us which game it is, what problem you're having, or any info about your PC.

i thought rainbow six Vegas was good on 360

i thought rainbow six Vegas was good on 360

So think of how much better it is on a PC. I've got it sitting here for my 360 but haven't touched it. Probably won't either. I hate shooters on a console.

So think of how much better it is on a PC. I've got it sitting here for my 360 but haven't touched it. Probably won't either. I hate shooters on a console.

40-50 bucks to find out it doesnt work or sacrifice a little game play and know it will? well for me i rather sacrifice game play. i just wasted 30 bucks on the game i just bought :(

40-50 bucks to find out it doesnt work or sacrifice a little game play and know it will? well for me i rather sacrifice game play. i just wasted 30 bucks on the game i just bought :(

Whatever you do, don't tell us which game it is, what problem you're having, or any info about your PC.

Whatever you do, don't tell us which game it is, what problem you're having, or any info about your PC.

post 10 bud ;)

Update your video card drivers and sounds card drivers.

PC> console because PC and EMULATE and with one PC you have virtually all Atarti, Commodore, Genisis, Sega, Playstation, Nintento, GameCube and anything else I have missed out plus a boat load of games, flash games and so forth written for PC..

So ya.. keep your consoles.. you obviously cant handle the PC.

how do i do that?

Do what? Update your drivers? What kind of video card and sound card do you have? More than likely their ****ty onboard chipsets that came with the PC that you probably got from HP or Dell.

If you actually do have a video card, find out which model it is then visit www.guru3d.com for driver updates. It's under downloads, then select your manufacturer. For the sound card you'll most likely have to visit the manufacturers website and find them in the downloads section. It's easy, and shouldn't take more than 15 minutes.

But, I'm guessing you have onboard video which is probably the cause of your game crashing.

Do what? Update your drivers? What kind of video card and sound card do you have? More than likely their ****ty onboard chipsets that came with the PC that you probably got from HP or Dell.

If you actually do have a video card, find out which model it is then visit www.guru3d.com for driver updates. It's under downloads, then select your manufacturer. For the sound card you'll most likely have to visit the manufacturers website and find them in the downloads section. It's easy, and shouldn't take more than 15 minutes.

But, I'm guessing you have onboard video which is probably the cause of your game crashing.
yep and its a laptop i did up grade the ram and processor but that was it. maybe ill take it down circut city and have them put a new card and some mroe ram in

Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific Download Minimum System Requirements

* Supported OS: Windows® XP/Vista Only
* Processor: 2GHz Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon (4 3GHz Pentium or AMD Athlon recommended)
* RAM: 1 GB (2 GB recommended)
* Video Card: 128 MB RAM DirectX® 9–compliant, video card capable of rendering Pixel Shader 2.0 (256 MB RAM recommended) (see supported list*)
* Sound Card: DirectX 9 –compliant sound card
* DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c or later (included)
* Hard Drive Space: 6 GB
* Multiplayer: 128 kbps upstream or faster (512 kbps upstream or faster needed to host online games)

Good luck with that. You can't just add a video card to most laptops. My laptop has an Nvidia GeForce 7600 GO card or whatever, but not all do. What brand and model of laptop?

every thing but the video card im good on i dont know any thing about the card its a dell insperion e

Right click on your desktop and select properties. Select the Settings tab, and click on advanced in the lower right. Then click the adapter tab and tell us what kind of video card it is, and how much ram it has. I bet thats your problem if it isn't drivers. Also, if the card is good enough, once we know what it is we can point you to drivers.

The problem I see with PC games is that you can be top of the line today, but in 6 months the new games will be straining the vid card.

My GF bought this PC early last year, in part to be a game machine. It will run Oblivion only if I crank Oblivions settings all the way down. :mad: To upgrade will cost about $500.

Or, I can buy a 360 and Oblivion for less than that.:think:

At least on consoles there's not compatability problems.

There are only compatability problems when you "think" you have a gaming machine.

A real gaming machine, IMO, has an Nvidia 8800 w768mb ram. We are talking a $500+ video card alone. Then at least 2GB ram, some decent hard drive(s), and a real mother board (normally an ASUS top end)..

I dont have any problems with the onboard audio on most boards. Really not a huge performance killer and they work fairly good.

Are there any laptops that can actually be called a gaming machine?

When it comes to fine control, you can't beat a mouse and keyboard, no matter how much I play the Wii, PS3, or Xbox, those stupid little thumb controls frustrate me to no end.

Sports games console > * no contest

everything else PC > *

I think consoles are good at a fair number of games. Third person and platform games like Tomb Raider, MGS, etc... work really well with the console controller.

Are there any laptops that can actually be called a gaming machine?

My Dell Precision M90 plays Bioshock at 1920x1200 with some studder, smooth as silk at 1440x900... and it's not strictly speaking a gaming machine. (has QuadroFX graphics). It was pretty expensive however (~$4500 msrp)

There are only compatability problems when you "think" you have a gaming machine.

A real gaming machine, IMO, has an Nvidia 8800 w768mb ram. We are talking a $500+ video card alone. Then at least 2GB ram, some decent hard drive(s), and a real mother board (normally an ASUS top end)..

I dont have any problems with the onboard audio on most boards. Really not a huge performance killer and they work fairly good.

see the problem is IN YOUR OPINION. opinions vary from person to person on this so who is to say who is right. my dad buy the most over board computers you could possibly buy and never games. second the problem is, is your computer can be on the top today and the bottom tomorrow and that is truly the truth. so your constantly having to update your computer has to fit the game or your fed where as with console the programmers have to make the game fit the console. it just to much of a pain to keep up wtih computer programs in my opinion.

im not a hard core gamer like some of you guys, i only like a few tittles and mostly ww2 stuff i like this one so i bought it.it sucks a computer that was 999 dollars 4 months ago cant run this game

lawl @ gaming on a $900 laptop.

lawl @ gaming on a $900 laptop.

gaming? im trying to run one game im not big into gaming i dont even use the 360 that much more for downloading tv shows because im to cheap for cable. i will not buy another game for the computer whether it had worked or not. i still dont see why a 1000 dollar computer cant run a game but a 400 dollar 360 can do it.

to me a spending more then 1000 dollars so i can run ONE came is to much even a grand is a lot to spend on a computer to me

PC games are dying? They're doing better than they ever have.

They are still the best platform for RTS/FPS/MMO games.

Dope

Company of Heroes
World in Conflict
etc. etc.

Consoles just don't have what it takes for hardcore RTS action.

I "aquired" Tiger Woods 2007 last night and was up to weeee hours of the morning playing that stupid game.

lawl @ gaming on a $900 laptop.

Seriously, I had to purchase a $2800.00 XPS M1710 to do real gaming (and it will still lose to good desktops, but at least i can do the lan thing easily and the screen is great. )

It was a splurge, probably won't happen again, next time I'll just build a desktop, but it works great and no game has made her flinch..... yet.:p

lawl @ gaming on a $900 laptop.

Or doing much of anything on it...

PC games have actually done a really good job with scaling down to work with older hardware. Look at the requirements for Crysis, or Hellgate London, etc. Sure they look better with newer gear, but most will run on stuff several years old. PC gaming is not for the uninformed though. If you don't know what type of graphics chipset you have its like trying to find the one chick in a dark room full of greased up metros, and you only get to touch their bottom ends to tell.

Console gaming does "generally" take the guess work out of things. I hear it has since been patched and improved, but I bought Oblivion on 360 the day it came out and it ran like balls, ebay it went.

PC gaming does fps, rts, mmo
- it does not do sports (starting to see a monopoly on that actually)
racing (yes I know there are two very good sims out there, but they do not have the backing or ability to compete with Forza, GT, PGR)
rpgs - Yes pc has MMO games, out the ass actually - But tradition JP style does not exist on PC. I have one game out of the bargain bin that was turn based... something core, started with an F. For fans of FF, Star Ocean, Mana, etc there is NOTHING in the same category on pc.
action/adventure - again for the person who said pc has it, I call bull. Barbie stables is not action nor adventure. While there is action and elements of adventure in Far Cry, its still entirely different. There is no Spyro, Maximo, Jack, Crash, Sonic, Mario, Blinx, Jazz, Chester, Megaman, Castlevania, Metroid, blah blah blah to infinitninummmmm on PC.

Me pc specs - Core 2 6400 @ 3.2, 4GB Ballistix 800, DS3, 2x raptors raid 0, 2x Seagate 7200.10 raid 0, x800xl @ 450/600 still kicking but about to go, and 2 chevette heater cores

my dad bought this last month and doesnt even game http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_720h2c?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs :confused:.

i dont know how you guys spend so much on computers

my dad bought this last month and doesnt even game http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_720h2c?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs :confused:.

i dont know how you guys spend so much on computers

Building your own is where it's at.

My Dell Precision M90 plays Bioshock at 1920x1200 with some studder, smooth as silk at 1440x900... and it's not strictly speaking a gaming machine. (has QuadroFX graphics). It was pretty expensive however (~$4500 msrp)

Isn't the QuadroFX more for engineering & design?

Hell my 4 year old $500 home built XP3200 w/ 9800 Pro still runs games well enough to somewhat play them.

I just finished the World in Conflict campaign on this machine. Granted with all settings at low, but I got 100% playable framerate and enjoyed the game quite a bit.

:lol: @ those who think a console is superior because they don't require any knowledge to get the games working. I guess a 4 cylinder car with an automatic transmission is a superior car because it requires less maintenance and skill to operate than a 500 horsepower 6 speed Corvette. It never fails to amuse me when someone is ignorant of how to use their computer and then blame it on the machine.

Yea the whole argument that "a top of the line computer will cost 4x as much as a console" is totally true, but you have to pay to play. The best graphics are, and always will be on PC's. I cant wait for Crysis to come out next month....

Isn't the QuadroFX more for engineering & design?
Well, it is a Precision M90

If you were going to play ANY games on that Dell laptop you should have ordered it with a graphics card. You didn't specify which Inspiron you had, but I'm guessing it's a E1505 or something similar. You could have added a vid card for around $100 and you wouldn't be having this issue. You just need to know a little to be able to play PC games. I had an E1505 with the x1400 and I could play games fine as long as I didn't crank the settings up real high. Guild Wars certainly looked good on it, and I spent right about $1000 on my E1505.

And if you're talking about desktops there is a huge range of cards that will work fine if you don't need the AA/AF cranked to the max. You don't need a 8800GTX to run the newest games, it just looks best on it.

RPG is quite good on PC, so is action/adventure. Sports, yep console has it there. Puzzle, family, everything else is good on PC.

Sports is really the only thing I play on consoles now.

Oh, and sports on a PC with a decent controller is damn good on a PC.

PC > Console.

Um what? I love PC games but your argument is fantasy. Like I said you can't even compare to the sheer quantity of new games available on consoles in the categories I described.

Well, it is a Precision M90


Yes sir, Cap'n. Forgive my oversight, sir!

:p

:lol: @ those who think a console is superior because they don't require any knowledge to get the games working. I guess a 4 cylinder car with an automatic transmission is a superior car because it requires less maintenance and skill to operate than a 500 horsepower 6 speed Corvette. It never fails to amuse me when someone is ignorant of how to use their computer and then blame it on the machine.
How is that a bad argument? I'm not saying "superior" in the sense that it's waay more powerful, but consoles have that "ease of use" factor. You don't have to check any kind of minimum requirements, it just works.
You have to say, in the money department and ease of picking out games, consoles win hands down.

How is that a bad argument? I'm not saying "superior" in the sense that it's waay more powerful, but consoles have that "ease of use" factor. You don't have to check any kind of minimum requirements, it just works.
You have to say, in the money department and ease of picking out games, consoles win hands down.

By now if you don't know how to get a computer game to work, that's your problem. Minimum requirements have always been a moot point, basically they tell you it's time to upgrade if your system resembles them.

:lol: @ those who think a console is superior because they don't require any knowledge to get the games working. I guess a 4 cylinder car with an automatic transmission is a superior car because it requires less maintenance and skill to operate than a 500 horsepower 6 speed Corvette. It never fails to amuse me when someone is ignorant of how to use their computer and then blame it on the machine.
actually depending on the use yes a automatic cobalt could a superior car to a 500 hp 6 speed vett. a cobalt would be far superior for the roll of commuting back and forth to work then a vett would imo. and same as a console would be a better plat form for an occasional gamer then a pc imo. where as a hardcore game might be better suited to a pc.

By now if you don't know how to get a computer game to work, that's your problem. Minimum requirements have always been a moot point, basically they tell you it's time to upgrade if your system resembles them.

so i should have to ugrade ever 6 months or year and throw away a grand or more every year buying a new computer or buy a 400-600 dollar system and be good for 3 years?

By now if you don't know how to get a computer game to work, that's your problem. Minimum requirements have always been a moot point, basically they tell you it's time to upgrade if your system resembles them.
I'm not saying it isn't easy but I know it would be hard for those casual gamers. At least with a console you don't have to deal with any of that.

I like GRNCamaro's post (#69). For casual gamers, a console is hard to beat. If you have cash to throw around or just want a serious gaming machine, go PC.

so the computer in question is a inspiron e 1405
2.2 processor
1g ram and i though i got the video card upgrade to but i guess i didnt i got some other stuff but this is what is listed on there web page
128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS

You are making some valid points, but you should never expect to be able to game on a laptop. You can't play your PS3 games on a PSP and expect the same results.... Why would a laptop be any different? There's a reason that desktop video cards (even cheap ones) are almost as big as your entire laptop...

To come on here and blame a PC game failing to work on a budget laptop seems a little outrageous.

While I agree that a very casual gamer can't beat the plug n play factor of a console system, anybody with a basic desktop PC nowadays can get a run of the mill midrange video card and a little bit of extra RAM and play all these games at comparable quality to an Xbox. Go nicer, and your graphics will be phenomenally better.

Plus, it's not as if you bought that laptop JUST to play video games. This can't possibly be true, so while it was more expensive than an xbox 360, you can't go surf the internet with your 360 like a computer, make word docs, email, etc. Hard to really make a titfortat comparison.

You are making some valid points, but you should never expect to be able to game on a laptop. You can't play your PS3 games on a PSP and expect the same results.... Why would a laptop be any different? There's a reason that desktop video cards (even cheap ones) are almost as big as your entire laptop...

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i honestly dont understand why you CAN'T play a game on a laptop or why you shouldn't expect to. comparing a ps3 to a ps1 is comparing new technology to old technology not the same thing if you ask me.

and considering there is such a wide rang an variation in game requirements how could you possibly say you cant game on one type of computer?

Isn't the QuadroFX more for engineering & design?

yea... which is why I got it... but IIRC it's basically a 512meg geforcefx 7800gtx... which isn't a 8xxx series but is pretty respectable. Even engineering geeks need their gaming (maybe that should be ESPECIALLY Engineering geeks)... playing Overlord on it these days. For the same amount of cash I could have had a 8800 based core quad system that would eat the M90's lunch, but portability has its cost.

You are making some valid points, but you should never expect to be able to game on a laptop. You can't play your PS3 games on a PSP and expect the same results.... Why would a laptop be any different? There's a reason that desktop video cards (even cheap ones) are almost as big as your entire laptop...


i honestly dont understand why you CAN'T play a game on a laptop or why you shouldn't expect to. comparing a ps3 to a ps1 is comparing new technology to old technology not the same thing if you ask me.

and considering there is such a wide rang an variation in game requirements how could you possibly say you cant game on one type of computer?

A PSP is not a PS1. Its also new tech....not old tech.

As far as having to upgrade a computer every 6 months to play the latest & greatest... no. If you have a decent system, you'll be just fine for years. Maybe you won't be able to max out every setting, but it'll still play games.

Upgrading the system is kind of like when consoles go from one generation to the next. Just like you shouldn't buy a PS2 and expect PS3 games to work flawlessly, you shouldn't expect a system (laptops, especially) that has specs that are pretty out of date (no video card) to play the most recent games at max settings.

A PSP is not a PS1. Its also new tech....not old tech.

i didnt read through it that well but i still dont think its a 100% the same comparison. thats comparison would be like me buying a mac program and trying to run it on a pc

Why not? Both the PSP and the Laptop are mobile platforms for the larger versions. Most new pc games that I have bought(fear, half life 2, company of heroes) don't require a very expensive desktop to look nice. If I was to purchase a laptop with comparable hardware it would be much more expensive.

actually depending on the use yes a automatic cobalt could a superior car to a 500 hp 6 speed vett. a cobalt would be far superior for the roll of commuting back and forth to work then a vett would imo. and same as a console would be a better plat form for an occasional gamer then a pc imo. where as a hardcore game might be better suited to a pc.

We're talking about devices for having fun. If you want to compare more mundane tasks, then the PC still wins.

Don't get me wrong. I own a Wii and would love an X-box 360 and a PS3. I'm not trashing consoles as gaming devices. I'm saying that you're trashing the PC as a gaming device because you were ignorant of what you were doing when you bought your laptop.

Would you be mad at Sony if you went out and bought a PS1 and then discovered it won't play PS3 games?

Would you be mad at Sony if you went out and bought a PS1 and then discovered it won't play PS3 games?

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were ignorant of what you were doing when you bought your laptop.


i wasnt planing on using THIS computer for gaming but i also didnt think they would come out with another silent hunter. when i bought this computer i thought i was just using it for every day tasks and figure i had the 360 for gaming. silent hunter is truly the only game i want to play on this.

i still dont see how you comparing gaming consoles to lap tops and desktops the same there not the same comparison at all. its like me comparing a real apple to a plastic grape

i still stand by my statement that pc gaming has to much variation in it and that the problem.


and i think the pc games are better but i think there really only for hard core games. im not spending 2000 dollars on a computer to play 2 or 3 games at the most yah you can use it for other things but this computer and my 360 only cost me 1400 and i wont have to ungrade the 360 at all till a new system comes out.

yea... which is why I got it... but IIRC it's basically a 512meg geforcefx 7800gtx... which isn't a 8xxx series but is pretty respectable. Even engineering geeks need their gaming (maybe that should be ESPECIALLY Engineering geeks)... playing Overlord on it these days. For the same amount of cash I could have had a 8800 based core quad system that would eat the M90's lunch, but portability has its cost.

I got mine with the 512 MB 7950 GTX and I'm not going to complain anytime soon methinks. Basically, it just won't have DX10 hardware support... but it runs great!

PC's have always been for hardcore gamers. Sure folks who spend 1k on their email/web browsing PC can play SOME games, but the real compelling PC titles all demand the hottest hardware... which has always been expensive.

At the top end, consoles simply can't compete for the truly state of the art - they're obsolete... usually BEFORE they're even released. After 3 or 4 years of their lifespan they look completely ANCIENT in every way. If you want to play the state of the art... you cough up 1k per year (more or less) for PC upgrades or new systems every 2-3 years - it's as simple as that.

PC's have always been for hardcore gamers. Sure folks who spend 1k on their email/web browsing PC can play SOME games, but the real compelling PC titles all demand the hottest hardware... which has always been expensive.

At the top end, consoles simply can't compete for the truly state of the art - they're obsolete... usually BEFORE they're even released. After 3 or 4 years of their lifespan they look completely ANCIENT in every way. If you want to play the state of the art... you cough up 1k per year (more or less) for PC upgrades or new systems every 2-3 years - it's as simple as that.

its an expensive hobby.

okay were beating a dead horse here LOL so this thread need to end.

so let see if we resolve my issue.

if i get this video card: 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS

and put it in will this solve my problem? and where can i get it?

i still dont see how you comparing gaming consoles to lap tops and desktops the same there not the same comparison at all. its like me comparing a real apple to a plastic grape
The comparison is valid. You trade features for portability. The PS3 and PSP's only real functionality is as a gaming machine. The PSP gives up graphical prowess for portability. The desktop and laptop have many different uses. The laptop sacrifices speed, upgradability, and graphical prowess for portability.

Many people in this thread have talked about how expensive pc gaming is. What they are not taking into consideration is that most people are going to have a pc anyway. Now most manufactured pre-built computers have far more computing power than than the average user will ever need(unless they get vista). The only expenses that are gaming related at this point are a graphics card and more ram. You don't need the newest card to run games well. Heck a few generations old card will get you by for a year or two.

Laptops are not easily upgradeable. You didn't purchase the laptop with gaming in mind(and even if you did you didn't do enough research before you bought it), so why should it?

i still stand by my statement that pc gaming has to much variation in it and that the problem.

Most new games are scalable back to some pretty low hardware requirements. You just have to know your hardware's capabilities, variation has nothing to do with it. Heck, your system would do fine with a better graphics card.

okay were beating a dead horse here LOL so this thread need to end.

so let see if we resolve my issue.

if i get this video card: 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS

and put it in will this solve my problem? and where can i get it?
like i said before im done arguing the point if you guys want to continue be my guessed. at this point i just want to try and solve the problem

I play half life 2 and teamfortress 2 on my 1 year old $1100 Lenovo R60 thinkpad and have no problems...

Guess it really depends on the games?

PC's have always been for hardcore gamers.


I guess if your definition of a hardcore gamer is someone who only wants 4 or 5 new titles a year that are worth a ****?

I guess if your definition of a hardcore gamer is someone who only wants 4 or 5 new titles a year that are worth a ****?

Yeah I only play HL2 and BF2142 anymore, and not all that often.

I guess if your definition of a hardcore gamer is someone who only wants 4 or 5 new titles a year that are worth a ****?

lol... good point but it applies equally - there've been more top shelf titles for the PC this year than any of the consoles IMO.

There have however been a TON of **** games for the consoles... but I don't count those.

For the 360 I've gotten Forza 2... sweet game. For the PS3... Dirt, I've played a crapload of demos but those are the only two that I felt were worth anything. In that same period of time I've bought 6 or 7 PC games that have all been excellent.

If PC's are for hardcore gamers then how come we always hear about the guys staying up 72 hours to play halo?

If PC's are for hardcore gamers then how come we always hear about the guys staying up 72 hours to play halo?

Hardcore as in willing to spend a LOT of cash to play a damn game, obsessing about always having THE fastest system known to man, and running out to upgrade when the newest gadget comes out.

Besides... since the beginning of the year at least 3 people that have dropped dead from excessive PC online gaming (all in Asia), just spending stupid amounts of time doing something is a kind of hardcore... but it's not exactly what we were talking about.

okay were beating a dead horse here LOL so this thread need to end.

so let see if we resolve my issue.

if i get this video card: 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS

and put it in will this solve my problem? and where can i get it?

I don't put a *whole* lot of stock in cnet.com reviews, but you might want to look here:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3001_7-0.html?tag=dffl3_2&sa=500247

Dave

I just finished Half Life 2: Episode 2. Man it was fun and looked and played great on my 4 year old computer

lol... good point but it applies equally - there've been more top shelf titles for the PC this year than any of the consoles IMO.

There have however been a TON of **** games for the consoles... but I don't count those.

For the 360 I've gotten Forza 2... sweet game. For the PS3... Dirt, I've played a crapload of demos but those are the only two that I felt were worth anything. In that same period of time I've bought 6 or 7 PC games that have all been excellent.

It does not apply equally at all. You never get more than 4 or 5 titles for the PC in a year that are worth anything, and you haven't in years. This has been a slow year for consoles but it's picking up and will continue to speed up. Not to mention you can't find the cult following games like Culdcept, Disgaea, Odin Sphere, anything quirky like that.

PC gaming is years past it's prime and the market reflects that.

Guys, Crysis comes out November 16th this year. That's the end of everything. It's an FPS for the PC that...well...it's the best. I'm in the beta right now and no game will ever beat this...:bow:

lol... good point but it applies equally - there've been more top shelf titles for the PC this year than any of the consoles IMO.

There have however been a TON of **** games for the consoles... but I don't count those.

For the 360 I've gotten Forza 2... sweet game. For the PS3... Dirt, I've played a crapload of demos but those are the only two that I felt were worth anything. In that same period of time I've bought 6 or 7 PC games that have all been excellent.

how can u use that as a factual statement or a justification. a good game is all based on opinion. what to shelf games came out for pc? and now 80-90 percent of games can be had on any system bio shock can be had on pc, 360, ps3, and possibly wii i dont know about that.

new gaming consoles are not like the old ones any way. my 360 is more like a computer that is geared specifically for multi media use then it is like the old xbox .

i think its an iralivent argument at this point. because your going to chose a system based on your use of that system. i want to play one and only one game on my computer there for its stupid for me to play 2000 dollars for a computer to play one game. where as a 360 takes all the problems and hassles out of the equation and does more tasks for me then i originally thought it could when i bought it.

i think its funny though how you guys jump on my case because i think a computer i paid 1g for should be able to play one game was a stupid idea. you act like because i want to play one game on a computer im supposed to know every thing about them all of the sudden. i have never really been die hard with computers or a real gamer some of you guys are to intense with this stuff and need to realize some times that were not as in depth with it as you.

oh and by the way after all you guys bitched me out one guy ONE answered my question and tired to help me. thanks shadydavy

like i said before im done arguing the point if you guys want to continue be my guessed. at this point i just want to try and solve the problem

You need at LEAST twice that amount to make newer games just run decently. Honestly, 512 MB is where it's at right now, I'm sure there's even 1 GB SLI out there by now, or its in the works... (haven't been following advances lately.)

It does not apply equally at all. You never get more than 4 or 5 titles for the PC in a year that are worth anything, and you haven't in years. This has been a slow year for consoles but it's picking up and will continue to speed up. Not to mention you can't find the cult following games like Culdcept, Disgaea, Odin Sphere, anything quirky like that.

PC gaming is years past it's prime and the market reflects that.

MMORGS (which I don't play) are dominant cash cows. The PC also has a monopoly on RTS as stated. Some of us enjoy strategy gaming very much. I don't care much for FPS anymore...

All I have to say is:

Console = driving games

PC = shooting games

Nothing else matters in my little world. I just bought the orange box last night and I can't wait to play portal. I will probably pony up for a PS3 when GT5 comes out.

MMORGS (which I don't play) are dominant cash cows. The PC also has a monopoly on RTS as stated. Some of us enjoy strategy gaming very much. I don't care much for FPS anymore...

So you are agreeing with me then? ;)

how can u use that as a factual statement or a justification. a good game is all based on opinion. what to shelf games came out for pc? and now 80-90 percent of games can be had on any system bio shock can be had on pc, 360, ps3, and possibly wii i dont know about that.

new gaming consoles are not like the old ones any way. my 360 is more like a computer that is geared specifically for multi media use then it is like the old xbox .

i think its an iralivent argument at this point. because your going to chose a system based on your use of that system. i want to play one and only one game on my computer there for its stupid for me to play 2000 dollars for a computer to play one game. where as a 360 takes all the problems and hassles out of the equation and does more tasks for me then i originally thought it could when i bought it.

i think its funny though how you guys jump on my case because i think a computer i paid 1g for should be able to play one game was a stupid idea. you act like because i want to play one game on a computer im supposed to know every thing about them all of the sudden. i have never really been die hard with computers or a real gamer some of you guys are to intense with this stuff and need to realize some times that were not as in depth with it as you.

oh and by the way after all you guys bitched me out one guy ONE answered my question and tired to help me. thanks shadydavy

I'm not jumping on YOUR ****... just responding to the quality title post in this instance. Personally I would not expect a 1k machine to be able to play demanding new games at full quality, and I expect that's what a lot of folks were trying to tell you. The hot new titles require graphics cards that cost more than 500 bucks all by themselves... even putting your own box together you're talking 1500+ to really put a decent machine together.

As far as opinions... both sides of this argument are opinions - a couple posts up someone stated their opinion that PC games don't have cult followings, even though franchises like Half Life, Doom/Quake, Unreal, etc... have been around forever and have rabid followings - and don't even start with online games. Personally I think there's been a HUGE lack of quality games for either off the premiere consoles (and I've got both so I'm not really happy about it). Quantity does not equal quality. I've bought about a dozen games this year... and I would have been quick to buy console games if they had anything to offer - but so far nada. I have hope for the next couple months, Ratchett and Clank looks cool, and GT5 of course - along with Guitar Hero III.

The PC market has never been comparable to the console market for all the reasons we've talked about, but quality wise it's always been on top because designers have a LOT more power to work with. For a couple months last year that wasn't true, but now we're right back into the same routine, top end PC's already have twice the gaming power of the 360 and PS3 - and it's going to keep getting worse. Crysis would play on a 360 or PS3 (limited to 720p I'm sure) - but it'll be a heck of a lot better on a hot PC at 1080p with DX10 goodies that the consoles can't match.

It's just a matter of what you're willing to spend, and if you're looking at a sub $1000 system today, you will never match the performance of the 360 or PS3 - so most folks go the console route if their focus is gaming. However - if you've got a couple grand to spend, PC gaming rigs have a lot to offer for those who want state of the art at all cost.

This of course is also heavily genre dependant - if you're into Japanese style games, ***-RPG, platform, 3rd person shooters, arcade racing,etc... then consoles have always been the way to go. If you're into first person shooters, RTS, ARPG, MMORPG, racing simulation and US style RPG then PC's have always been the way to go. In other area's it really depends.

As far as opinions... both sides of this argument are opinions - a couple posts up someone stated their opinion that PC games don't have cult followings, even though franchises like Half Life, Doom/Quake, Unreal, etc... have been around forever and have rabid followings.




Not what I meant at all. What I said was that you can't find the smaller quirky games for PC and you never will be able to. There isn't a big enough market to justify the expense of it where as with consoles there is.

I still can't believe this has even turned into an argument. :lol: Sales figures tell all in this instance and the PC doesn't have it at all.

Well if we were talking about sales figures there wouldn't be much debate would there... but we were talking about game quality... and that's a wide open topic.

Sales figures don't tell all... or everyone would be developing for the Wii. There will always be elite dev's who stick with he PC even though it's not the biggest market... just like there will always be dev's sticking with the PS3 or 360 - even though the Wii is outselling them all.

I don't think many who know the full FPS market would argue that Halo3 is anything other than a 'decent' FPS - but it's sure to outsell Crysis - a game that is sure to be a higher quality title - does that mean that Halo3 is 'better'... I don't think so.

I'm in a position to play games on any platform I want (except the Wii - which I won't buy until christmas), but in the genre's I'm interested in there's not a lot going on in console land. Sure I COULD have bought Bioshock for the 360 - but why in Dogs name would I subject myself to console fps controller hell when I can play it on a PC with a Kb/Mouse?

Sales figures don't tell all... or everyone would be developing for the Wii.

Actually they tell a lot since the Wii doesn't sell jack for software, just hardware. :D

A game developer could care less about # of systems when their titles don't sell. ;)

Well that's a different issue... the marketing community has fallen all over themselves praising the Wii for opening new markets - ignoring the fickle nature of the non-gaming community. When the cost of entry is low enough to buy the console on impulse - buyers will be just as quick to throw the thing into the closet when they get bored with it.

However... when you drop 5-600 bucks on something - most folks are going to be a bit more 'plugged in' to that system.

and the wii software sales aren't that bad... just not as good as the number of consoles sold would have you expecting.

Well that's a different issue... the marketing community has fallen all over themselves praising the Wii for opening new markets - ignoring the fickle nature of the non-gaming community. When the cost of entry is low enough to buy the console on impulse - buyers will be just as quick to throw the thing into the closet when they get bored with it.

However... when you drop 5-600 bucks on something - most folks are going to be a bit more 'plugged in' to that system.

That's a good point, I agree completely. I hadn't really thought of it that way.

okay were beating a dead horse here LOL so this thread need to end.

so let see if we resolve my issue.

if i get this video card: 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS

and put it in will this solve my problem? and where can i get it?
You can't upgrade the video card on your laptop. If your laptop came with integrated video, you can't add a card, it's physically impossible(they use different motherboards for the laptops with integrated and dedicated graphics).

And :lol: at the rest of the thread.

:)

Well that's a different issue... the marketing community has fallen all over themselves praising the Wii for opening new markets - ignoring the fickle nature of the non-gaming community. When the cost of entry is low enough to buy the console on impulse - buyers will be just as quick to throw the thing into the closet when they get bored with it.

However... when you drop 5-600 bucks on something - most folks are going to be a bit more 'plugged in' to that system.

and the wii software sales aren't that bad... just not as good as the number of consoles sold would have you expecting.

and theres the pitfall of the wii sales strategy: Not embracing the hardcore market is a very very bad idea. The hardcore gamer market is where software sales are at. Go look at the xbox 360's software attachment rate. That system is aimed DIRECTLY at the hardcore market, more so than the ps3 for sure (which aims somewhere between hardcore gamer and HT enthusiast).
we'll see how this christmas does for the wii. I imagine console sales will be as through the roof as you could expect, but no telling beyond that

and theres the pitfall of the wii sales strategy: Not embracing the hardcore market is a very very bad idea. The hardcore gamer market is where software sales are at. Go look at the xbox 360's software attachment rate. That system is aimed DIRECTLY at the hardcore market, more so than the ps3 for sure (which aims somewhere between hardcore gamer and HT enthusiast).
we'll see how this christmas does for the wii. I imagine console sales will be as through the roof as you could expect, but no telling beyond that
Thing is...Nintendo actually makes profit on each console they sell. To say that in this day in age is something, and hence they don't have to rely as much on software as either Microsoft or Sony.

Thing is...Nintendo actually makes profit on each console they sell. To say that in this day in age is something, and hence they don't have to rely as much on software as either Microsoft or Sony.

microsoft is supposedly turning a profit on 360s now.
that said, is it not software sales and licensing that sustain the console?

microsoft is supposedly turning a profit on 360s now.
that said, is it not software sales and licensing that sustain the console?
Of course, but I don't think software developers are gonna leave Nintendo high and dry, especially with all the units sold. Simply put, I think they'll be fine and will continue to stick around for the next generation, perhaps even inventing something that will get us closer to virtual reality.

Surprising news about the 360s though. Is that discluding the massive warranty problems I assume? I thought that was gonna cost them quite a chunk of money to extend warranties on all those consoles.

Yes, console gaming is the biggest market, and will always be the biggest market.

However, PC gaming is far from dead. Its still relatively big, and all the stats only show retail sales. No online, subscriptions, or digital distribution sales - which consumers are moving to. Even so, the past few years, yea the retail sales #'s are skyrocketing up, but they aren't plumetting either.


Plus, when you expand the sales outside of the US, computer gaming is far from dead. They've been saying that forever now. Its coming back up again because the new consoles came out recently and the spot light is back on them. The hype is already starting to die down, and the "next-gen" engines are going to be released on PC, with hardware _relatively_ cheap.


Now, about the actual games and gameplay in general across all formats and systems, I'm too tired to argue that.