Jeep J8 pickup

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/chrysler/jeep/j8.html

I hope the diesel comes state side.

Two things stand out, for something they want to be a military vehicle.
The undersized street tires with no all-terrian tread. The regualar wranglers and rubicons have bigger more agressive tires.
The 2.8 turbo only makes 158HP engine, what a dog.

Military isn't going to pick them up. The Hummers are going away for replacement by the MRAPs.

Although the Hummers are going to be replaced by MRAPs, I suspect that the military is still going to need a smaller conventional rugged vehicle. MRAPs that I've seen make the Hummer look like a Mini Cooper.

For those that are wondering what an MRAP is.

http://www.defense-update.com/images_new/MRAP_Cat_1_navistar.jpg
http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2007/may/mraps/cougar_humvee315.jpg

The MRAP has a "Mad Max" look to it. It definitely makes a Humvee look small.

Two things stand out, for something they want to be a military vehicle.
The undersized street tires with no all-terrian tread. The regualar wranglers and rubicons have bigger more agressive tires.
The 2.8 turbo only makes 158HP engine, what a dog.

158 horsepower is a dog only in performance minded circles that aren't familiar with the needs of the military.

Military vehicles aren't about drag races or an obsession with high horsepower numbers. What matters is can it survive extreme use and abuse and not miss a beat, can it run on JP8, has a relatively high payload, and can scoot along pretty well. High power means less durability and longevity, not to mention excessive fuel useage.

This Jeep has a payload of 7700 pounds, which is extremely impressive for it's size. The Cougar MRAP has 330 horsepower, but it also weighs 32,000 pounds.... empty.

For the record, the military Humvee's base 5100 pounds (before equptment is added) is slung around by a 150 horsepower diesel, which makes the nearly 4000 pound, 158 horsepower Jeep a military hot rod, and very far from a "dog".

Really? I thought they used to drag race the Enterprise against the other ships in the taskforce? :)

Cool looking Jeep.

Two things stand out, for something they want to be a military vehicle.
The undersized street tires with no all-terrian tread. The regualar wranglers and rubicons have bigger more agressive tires.

Those can be easily changed to fit the situation.


The 2.8 turbo only makes 158HP engine, what a dog.

You got to look at the torque. Hummers don't make much more HP than that.

You got to look at the torque. Hummers don't make much more HP than that.

Exactly! 295 ft-lbs from a 2.8L is impressive to me!

I hope that GM builds something to replace the HUMVEE/H1 using newer technology.

I hope that GM builds something to replace the HUMVEE/H1 using newer technology.

How long before someone buys the MRAPs brand and starts making civilian versions :D

It is odd that the MRAPs doesn't have the flat windshield like the Humvee. That is done so anyone flying over it doesn't spot the glare off the windshield.

You cant drive around bases in MRAP's. I assume that whatever Hummers they have, they will sell or destroy most of them, but retain some for basic base transportation, and other light duty roles.

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Military vehicles aren't about drag races or an obsession with high horsepower numbers. What matters is can it survive extreme use and abuse and not miss a beat, can it run on JP8, has a relatively high payload, and can scoot along pretty well. High power means less durability and longevity, not to mention excessive fuel useage.

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Maybe I'm taking this part too seriously and missed the hyperbole, but are you saying a Humvee can run on JP8?

Edit - Well, apparently they can, but just not very well or for very long. Learn something new every day - http://www.allbusiness.com/public-administration/national-security-international/228722-1.html

It is odd that the MRAPs doesn't have the flat windshield like the Humvee. That is done so anyone flying over it doesn't spot the glare off the windshield.

Maybe they figured it was a moot point. It would be difficult for someone flying overhead NOT to spot a truck as big as an aircraft carrier.

these are going to be sold to other military's jeep has been selling long wheel base wranglers overseas to saudis and pakistanis for years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMMWV_replacement_process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMMWV_replacement_process

So we have gone from the Jeep to these.

These new HMMWV replacements seem to be more like light tanks. these are going to be expensive to operate.

The military being the retards they are at spending will probably pay someone to chop the hummers up in to little bitty pieces so they don't get in to enemy hands, when instead if they could use 25% of them for parts on the other 75% for another 5 years.
Then the next 25% for the last 50% and so on.
This way they would save a lot of money, could still have the MRAPS in addition and still have a large number of hummers to fill a role.

Really? I thought they used to drag race the Enterprise against the other ships in the taskforce? :)

The exception. :lol:

I was on the Princeton when we had a impromptu lunchtime drag race with a destroyer (forgot the name of the ship) in route to the Persian Gulf just ahead of Desert Storm part 1. You need permission to run ships over 16 knots, and we both had it because we were rushing ahead of the Ranger battle group.

Coolest drag race I've ever been a part of. Speed wouldn't impress a 160 mph speed freak, but the 15-20 foot high rooster tail probally would.



Maybe I'm taking this part too seriously and missed the hyperbole, but are you saying a Humvee can run on JP8?

Edit - Well, apparently they can, but just not very well or for very long. Learn something new every day - http://www.allbusiness.com/public-administration/national-security-international/228722-1.html

Good article.

There was an issue shortly after the 1st Desert Storm in using standardized fuel for the battlefield. The question (rightfully) came up about how a shortage in one type of fuel could grind a campaign to a halt despite full supplies of others. A requirement came out in later (well after I left the military for Fed LE) that all vehicles had to be capable of running on a standard type of fuel.

Humvees can run on JP8 (same fuel as our turbine powered tanks) in a pinch, but performance drops with the use of JP8 and it doesn't lubricate quite as well as diesel, so parts tend to wear a bit quicker. While they are made to also run on JP8, as long as diesel's available, that's what you'll find in their tanks.

The military being the retards they are at spending will probably pay someone to chop the hummers up in to little bitty pieces so they don't get in to enemy hands, when instead if they could use 25% of them for parts on the other 75% for another 5 years.
Then the next 25% for the last 50% and so on.
This way they would save a lot of money, could still have the MRAPS in addition and still have a large number of hummers to fill a role.

Good idea but the government isn't smart enough to that...

The military being the retards they are at spending will probably pay someone to chop the hummers up in to little bitty pieces so they don't get in to enemy hands, when instead if they could use 25% of them for parts on the other 75% for another 5 years.
Then the next 25% for the last 50% and so on.
This way they would save a lot of money, could still have the MRAPS in addition and still have a large number of hummers to fill a role.

Who's to say they won't? Lots of "replaced" equipment goes to the Reserves and the Guard (we're still flying F-4s or at least were until a few years ago). Here's one thing I can assure you: the military runs their stuff into the ground before they finally give up on it. Take a look at our bomber and tanker fleet. Both the B-52 and KC-135 are 50 years old, looking at another 50 before being retired. To put that in perspective, there are already guys flying those planes whose grandfathers flew the same airframe.

Further, you end up in a so-called "death spiral." Fixing up your broke junk pulls money from R&D and procurement of new junk to replace the old. Less new replacements means more old junk getting older and sucking up more money. And so on...

Trust me. People in the right positions that are smarter than you or I already understand this and have for a while. The military has been operating under the "do more with less" attitude for a long time. This isn't the 80's anymore, and the military is not issued a blank check. Just because you may not understand it as the outsider looking in doesn't mean there isn't a good reason.

Don't believe me? Fine, you don't have to. But some things are true whether you believe them or not.

The HMMWV needs a replacement for tactical roles, certainly. There are quite a few vehicles that are capable, either on the drawing board, or already being issued.

However, the military clearly needs some light, non-combat vehicles (similar to the UH-72 program) that are cheap, off-the shelf type vehicles, for general purpose use. (Read: Non-combat zone)

I don't condone putting our troops in anything but the best in combat, but Ill be damned if I condone them riding around in 10 ton monstrosities at US bases where they have zero chance of getting shot at, while I'm paying for it.

Bingo, they wont get rid of all Hummers. Hummers will most likely be left to base ops, perhaps special ops since its lighter, faster and a lot smaller to get small teams of guys in and out of an area.
Now..who wins in a drag race, MRAP or the Bushmaster from Oz?

However, the military clearly needs some light, non-combat vehicles (similar to the UH-72 program) that are cheap, off-the shelf type vehicles, for general purpose use. (Read: Non-combat zone)

I though they were going to start to use Silverados for that.

http://www.evworld.com/images/gmarmyhybridtruck.jpg

http://www.rise.org.au/info/Applic/Fuelcells/image022.jpg

Also the MRAPs aren't anything new
http://www.gotfredson.org/images/ford_military.jpg

I love the aluminum LCA's from the IRS system from the back of the Silvy. Wonder if taking a picture of the underside would upset the military?

I love the aluminum LCA's from the IRS system from the back of the Silvy. Wonder if taking a picture of the underside would upset the military?
Wow, I didn't even notice that. I was stuck wondering why the tires are painted...

I'm guessing that this is an SUV chassis under a truck body?

Painted tires? Hrm...maybe for the camera? I know we paint tires here at work for display. Flat black spay paint over all the markings and other lines that the tire manf. put on. Then hit it with a coat of tire shine, and on the wall it goes!

Im thinking its some sort of serious engineering modification to the back of teh truck.

Wow, I didn't even notice that. I was stuck wondering why the tires are painted...

I'm guessing that this is an SUV chassis under a truck body?


I may be wrong but I don't think GM uses an IRS in the RWD SUVs.
That truck is a hydrogen concept vehicle being tested by the military

http://www.rise.org.au/info/Applic/Fuelcells/

near the bottom of the page

Painted tires? Hrm...maybe for the camera? I know we paint tires here at work for display. Flat black spay paint over all the markings and other lines that the tire manf. put on. Then hit it with a coat of tire shine, and on the wall it goes!

Im thinking its some sort of serious engineering modification to the back of teh truck.

I just did some searching and found out that this particular truck uses some interesting powertrain modifications like dual electric motors rather than a gas engine.

I like the WA-6237 paint :D

I may be wrong but I don't think GM uses an IRS in the RWD SUVs.
That truck is a hydrogen concept vehicle being tested by the military

http://www.rise.org.au/info/Applic/Fuelcells/

near the bottom of the page

I guess I was thinking about the 5-link that the Tahoe uses.

I didn't see your post before my last one. There is lots of info on this truck out there.