got beat for my third time

so me and a buddy of mine were driving around the neighborhood last night smokin a lil when i passed a house that is all into ricers but mostly civics and eclipses/talons. next thing i knew two of them jump into one of their hatchbacks, mid 90's body stlye, and came up next to me at a stop sign. we decided to go to the closest road outside the neighborhood and race, did a roll from about 35ish and by 90 he was a good 5-10 cars ahead! dude was stuck up like no other too, we pulled into a h.e.b. parking lot and talked, told him my mild mods and he said he had an engine swap and with a 6psi turbo non intercooled with the whole map thing going as well. would never pop his hood though even when i asked lol. anayways i was kinda depressed for a lil while afterwards since i never thought i would lose to a civic, especially a egg shaped one lol

what do you have..:confused:

Yeah, what kind of car do you hav even lol? Didn't say in the story.

prolly that "air foil" you have listed in you sig.
those things are crap.

prolly that "air foil" you have listed in you sig.
those things are crap.

:D

Almost any vehicle can be made fast. If you have the money to spend.

i have a 97 z28, mods listed in sig. yea i know any car can be made to go fast, this is true. oh and the air foils actually do serve a purpose bro, some aftermarket throttle bodies come with them already built into them. anyway it was a fun night

i have a 97 z28, mods listed in sig. yea i know any car can be made to go fast, this is true. oh and the air foils actually do serve a purpose bro, some aftermarket throttle bodies come with them already built into them. anyway it was a fun night

I'd drive my car off a cliff if I lost to one of them

Makes me wonder what engine swap he had. The average turbo Civic is quick (maybe 14s in the 1/4) but certainly not "fast" with just a bolt-on turbo kit. To go faster takes a built engine + real boost and/or more cubes. 6 psi non-intercooled just isn't going to do that much for 'em.

Also, anybody with no losses just hasn't raced the right people yet.

Makes me wonder what engine swap he had. The average turbo Civic is quick (maybe 14s in the 1/4) but certainly not "fast" with just a bolt-on turbo kit. To go faster takes a built engine + real boost and/or more cubes. 6 psi non-intercooled just isn't going to do that much for 'em.

Also, anybody with no losses just hasn't raced the right people yet.

my guess would be the crv motor

One of my friends used to have an '01 Civic w/ I believe to be the same motor from the factory. I think it was a 1.6L SOHC but he was running 10lbs of boost with an intercooler and he could only muster a 14.4@96mph.

With those early 90's civic hatches, a 50 shot of nitrous can work wonders. a guy at the track had a late 90's civic hatch with a k-22 swap and exhaust. He put a 50 shot of nitrous on and he was running 13.3's at 105mph.

Im guessing he had more than he was telling.

Makes me wonder what engine swap he had. The average turbo Civic is quick (maybe 14s in the 1/4) but certainly not "fast" with just a bolt-on turbo kit. To go faster takes a built engine + real boost and/or more cubes. 6 psi non-intercooled just isn't going to do that much for 'em.

Also, anybody with no losses just hasn't raced the right people yet.

a b16 and 6psi might put him there but i think it would have to be a b18. But im not an import guy so who knows. the motor could have had work dont to it.

I raced a gutted single turbo civic, like the one your talkin about, a while back when I just had bolt ons....I got beat bad.....not to mention it was from a dig!:cry:

yea it was the h series motor, from preludes i believe. didnt mention it b/c i figured ya'll wouldnt know what i would be talking about but yea that and a 6 psi turbo will rape in that lightweight hatch. he would probably smoke me from a dig!

I don't know much about Hondas but the wikipedia says an H-series 2.2 liter from the US market made all of ~ 160hp and ~ 150 tq. I don't see how 6 psi on top of that will make it a monster. Peppy perhaps, but not all that fast in the grand scheme of things.

Then again, I gotta admit I don't get too excited about a car that's had an engine swap and a ton of work that just runs 13s. Look up the Honda hatch with the C5 drivetrain swap -- that is an extremely impressive, over-the-top engine swap :D

My 89 Mirage turbo came stock with a 1.6 liter turboed version of what became the DSM's 2.0 engine. At 6 psi of non-intercooled boost it made like 135hp. Upgraded with the stock turbo, intercooler, and injectors from a DSM my Mirage (all 2450 lbs of it) could spin the tires from a 70 roll, and ran mid 14s at around 98 mph. Many of those cars received DSM 2.0 swaps and ran easy 11s at 120+ mph with relatively mild builds. Again - that's a worthwhile swap.

I don't know much about Hondas but the wikipedia says an H-series 2.2 liter from the US market made all of ~ 160hp and ~ 150 tq. I don't see how 6 psi on top of that will make it a monster. Peppy perhaps, but not all that fast in the grand scheme of things.

Then again, I gotta admit I don't get too excited about a car that's had an engine swap and a ton of work that just runs 13s. Look up the Honda hatch with the C5 drivetrain swap -- that is an extremely impressive, over-the-top engine swap :D

My 89 Mirage turbo came stock with a 1.6 liter turboed version of what became the DSM's 2.0 engine. At 6 psi of non-intercooled boost it made like 135hp. Upgraded with the stock turbo, intercooler, and injectors from a DSM my Mirage (all 2450 lbs of it) could spin the tires from a 70 roll, and ran mid 14s at around 98 mph. Many of those cars received DSM 2.0 swaps and ran easy 11s at 120+ mph with relatively mild builds. Again - that's a worthwhile swap.

From my understanding, the average B16 motor was ~160hp and ~115ft/lbs while the average H22 was ~215hp and ~160ft/lbs. This is depending on what type of car they pulled the motor from. A Type R with a B16 was the more powerful motor while the base B16 output was close to what you listed.

It gets really confusing because there are about 14 different variations of the B16 motor, depending on what car they were in and what year. You are right that an engine swap isnt worth while if it only puts you in the 13's, The only big advantage they have is their light weight.

Dont feel bad. I got dusted by a S2000 in my GN last night. My Goodyears couldnt hook for $hit... He left the light and was gone... probably boost or spray, or both. I couldnt catch him.

look at the power to weight ratio also and supercharging is the thing to do wit the s2000 workin a t a mitsu dealership ya get all kind of ricer fags in there wantin to test beat the evos

Like always, any car can be built to beat any other car, normally. As far as saying the guy was "was stuck up like no other" if he dont want to pop the hood dont ask again, I hate it when people ask me to pop my hood and they continue to beg like a toddler wanting a lollipop, if you lose, you lose no reason to whine about it when the other person will not pop there hood, iv NEVER asked a fellow racer to pop there hood, as far as im concerned there car is stock, my car is stock(haha my car is stock basicly lol).

So what's so wrong with showing them what's under the hood? Are they going to copy it? Are they going to sell the secrets on ebay? Unless you're racing for money and always run it with NT on the window, I don't see what there is to hide. They're going to see the headers / intake manifold / plug wires / nitrous kit / ignition system / insert other part here that's your secret recipe to victory?

right? i was curious to what the engine swap looked like and the turbo setup as well. well good news, i just completed an excellent job of seafoaming my car, as i have also changed the oil to castrol syntec and plan on keep using syntec till i breach 130,000 miles or so then switch to valvoline maxlife synthetic. LONG LIVE MY LT1!!

all I have to say is get a stall, a cam, 1.6 RR's an a tune with some sticky tires, and it will no longer be a race.

just out of curiousity what exactly is a stall and what does it do? i know it has something to do with the driveline, after the motor.

just out of curiousity what exactly is a stall and what does it do? i know it has something to do with the driveline, after the motor.Basicly it allows you to launch harder in an automatic, When you "power brake" the car at a certain rpm it begins to power brake, its 1500 rpm for a stock z28, when you put a stall (a new torque converter) in, depending on what stall speed you put in (your current is 1500) if you put a 3000 stall in, you can rev it to 3k rpms with your foot on the brake without starting a burnout, allowing harder launchs :D

dude thats freakin sweet, thanks alot