The Blue Devil will be called ZR1...

...acoording to a report from Motor Trend.

Chevrolet's 650-horsepower Corvette, developed under the codename "Blue Devil," will be called ZR1. That badge will appear on the January 2008 Detroit show car, and on the production version set to go on sale later next year as a 2009 model. GM has been developing this car for several years, using a supercharged version of the new 6.2-liter small block V-8 used in the 2008 Corvette(pictured). GM also considered such names as Z07 and Super Sport for the ultra-low-volume car. Price will be much higher than the 505-horsepower Z06, and Chevy will continue production of that car when the ZR1 launches.

Very interesting if true...

Might be a good time to pick up a 90-95 ZR-1 then... this will probably cause a temporary spike in those cars selling prices for a little while. :think:

Not bad. I like that much more than Z07 or SS. Since this is the first supercharged Vette ever I was kind of hoping for a new name, but ZR1 is very fitting.

It's a good name. I'm not sure I believe MT, but if it's true it's a fine choice.

Anything but SS. Please, for the love of GOD...:lol:

I agree that it's a good name, and probably the most logical. Now who here is going to pony up the dough for one? :)

Yet another source for the ZR1 rumor;

Would be nice to see the King of the Hill return

http://jalopnik.com/cars/detroit-auto-show/the-2009-corvette-zr1-is-the-corvette-ss-blue-devil-mako-shark-z07-or-whatever-296486.php

When I saw this thread I thought "Nice, the King of the Hill is back." The I saw it was from Motor Trend and figure it could just be idle speculation.

I have always been a supporter of ZR-1 for this car though ;)

I saw ZR1, and I was like :eek: :D

Then I saw MotorTrend, and I was like :o :(

Still, hopefully it's true

Hmmm... if true, that sheds some light on what the top Camaro will be called. :D

What about the obvious? That a ZR1 top Vette clears the way for a Z28 top Camaro.

Chevy made a smart name not to associate this Vette with all the poser SS models they've cranked out the last few years. ZR1 is a lot more exclusive and doesn't suffer from a dilluted heritage.

What about the obvious? That a ZR1 top Vette clears the way for a Z28 top Camaro.

Chevy made a smart name not to associate this Vette with all the poser SS models they've cranked out the last few years. ZR1 is a lot more exclusive and doesn't suffer from a dilluted heritage.

I didn't want to be as obvious. :lol:

Should be interesting to see if motor trend hits another one.

Chevy made a smart name not to associate this Vette with all the poser SS models they've cranked out the last few years. ZR1 is a lot more exclusive and doesn't suffer from a dilluted heritage.

:yes:

Hmmm, I create a thread last night about this but evidently didn't have an inticing enough title. :D ;)

I just wanted to add this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4221132.html

I guess the front fenders won't be the only thing carbon fiber on it. The hood and roof are going to be as well.

This contradicts what has previously been established (keeping in mind that the name that's been used so far may indeed have only interim status). Given the source, I'm not convinced, and frankly I'm getting a bit worn-out on the nomenclature guessing games :)

What about the obvious? That a ZR1 top Vette clears the way for a Z28 top Camaro.

Chevy made a smart name not to associate this Vette with all the poser SS models they've cranked out the last few years. ZR1 is a lot more exclusive and doesn't suffer from a dilluted heritage.


Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.

Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.

Z28 was still the top performance link for Camaro. Now, without getting into a Camaro Z28 is king battle, the SS badge has, in recent years, just been that...a badge.
SS badge on the Monte SS with a standard 3.8. Took 2 years and maybe a fall down a flight of steps for someone to figure out that the 3.8SC motor drops right in!!! Bingo!

Other cars got the Z badge, and it shows how much dominace the Camaro Z28 had over the Chevy line up, enough where Chevy wanted to name its top performance cars with a Z, not an SS.
And the Z cars were pretty good for thier models, but NONE were Z28's.

A Corvette SS would have just been silly. I think that the ZR1 is GREAT and a perfect name for this car. Fits with the Z image, and lets us know that Chevy will make the top Camaro a Z car, not an SS. :D

Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.

Say what you want about the 200HP slug mid-late 70's Z/28's, but the fact of the matter is they were some of the hottest cars you could get in those years. Relative to other cars of the period, the Z/28's held their own in both looks and performance, so I wouldn't call the name "diluted" based on those cars.

To me, it was the 4th gen that ruined the Z/28 name. Degraded to a mid level model with minimal visual distinction from a base model. Blasphemy!

Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.



Ummm...

If that's all you've got, that's pretty piss poor.

I wouldn't want to race a Malibu Maxx SS in a mid/late '70's Corvette either. So what?

I would have likes ZL-1 better but I guess the ZR1 is ok. I have an idea for GM marketing or Cambell -Ewald come up with a new designation for the Blue Devil something new and different than vehicles past. Ferrari always has some cool name to put on their models to designate a higher grade or class why not Chevy for the top Vette.

I would have likes ZL-1 better but I guess the ZR1 is ok. I have an idea for GM marketing or Cambell -Ewald come up with a new designation for the Blue Devil something new and different than vehicles past. Ferrari always has some cool name to put on their models to designate a higher grade or class why not Chevy for the top Vette.

ZL1 is a Camaro. ZR1 is a Corvette.

It's still within the realm of possibility that a super-Camaro could be called ZL1 -- something along the lines of the GT500KR in terms of power levels.

Nice to have ZR1 name return if thats the case, but considering the source wasn't it MT that started the whole SS rumor?

I hope "it" really gets some distinctive boby panels to set itself apart from the other Corvettes especially if Z06 continues.

ZL1 is a Camaro. ZR1 is a Corvette.



ZL1 is an engine and two Corvettes were made with it:

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/FAPC/ZL1Corvette.htm

Ummm...

If that's all you've got, that's pretty piss poor.

I wouldn't want to race a Malibu Maxx SS in a mid/late '70's Corvette either. So what?

What's piss poor? Let me just put this to you...

In a few years, when you have your shiny new mega HP Z28 and you pull up at the gas station and are filling up, i bet you'll be brimming with pride when some guy comes up to you and tells you how much he likes Z28s, and that his brother has a bad ass Z28 too...a 1984 Z28 with an LG4 that is.

That's a dilluted badge, no matter how you spin it. And that's my whole point. IMO neither Z28 nor SS is suitable for a truly special limited availability camaro.

btw, you'd never lose a race to a malibu maxx ss in ANY corvette wearing a Z06 or ZR1 badge. Z28 OTOH.... oh right, chevy never dilluted those badges on lackluster cars.

ZL1 is an engine and two Corvettes were made with it:

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/FAPC/ZL1Corvette.htm


Beat me to it. The rarest of all Corvette's ever made only 2 in 1969. Since we are talking rare Vette's and the ZR1 for the Blue Devil... here is another L88.

The only reason I bring up the engine designation codes for the Super-Vette is because like we have been used to in the past. The car's name is Corvette by Chevrolet but the engine is named L88 or ZL1 and thus the King of the Hill should be Corvette ____!

What's piss poor? Let me just put this to you...

In a few years, when you have your shiny new mega HP Z28 and you pull up at the gas station and are filling up, i bet you'll be brimming with pride when some guy comes up to you and tells you how much he likes Z28s, and that his brother has a bad ass Z28 too...a 1984 Z28 with an LG4 that is.



That makes no sense at all. Really.

In 1984, the Z/28 was not only the most badass Camaro you could buy - it was virtually the baddest vehicle which GM even offered for sale. It pummeled Porsche so badly in showroom stock racing, that Stuttgard pulled the overconfident 944 out of the series with it's tail between it's legs, so it wouldn't get bitched slapped by Camaro Z/28's in public anymore.
You didn't have to get an LG4, ya know. Properly equipped, a 1984 Z/28 was just a tick behind the 1984 Corvette in performance.


Personally, I'd love to find a clean '84 Z/28. LG4 or L-69.

BTW, over 100,000 people considered the Z/28 cool enough to buy in 1984.

Very true. Z28 is the cars' true top model and that's that, and soon enough it won't even be an arguement anymore.

I like ZR1 because of that cars' slight exotic status, but I really think StingRay would have added a little more flare and nostalgia than bringing back a kinda unknown top model from a 5 year car.

Personally, I'd love to find a clean '84 Z/28. LG4 or L-69 or even LU5.

My 84 was an LG4 which was a turd even with factory 3.73's, but it was a fun car nonetheless. I still miss it.

My 84 was an LG4 which was a turd even with factory 3.73's, but it was a fun car nonetheless. I still miss it.

I used to have one of those except with 3.23's. It was probably the slowest car I've had but one of the most fun. Drove it like a rental car for years until some illegal alien b____ rearended it in a stolen Regal.

Good choice. I wonder how long it will take SRT to up the ante on the Viper. 600 hp will not be enough. :D

:lol: at z/28 sack riders.

End of the world if it's an SS!!

Heresy!

The Chevrolet of 2009 is not the same as the Chevrolet of 1969.

True, the dog dog Camaro should be named something new or use a great title from the past. I agree that the Z28 has been watered down to some degree and SS (even though in the Camaro it has been watered down less) wouldn't fit due to what GM has been doing with SS on all their models.

Maybe something like Ford did with the new Cobra by naming it Shelby?!? :think:

Good choice. I wonder how long it will take SRT to up the ante on the Viper. 600 hp will not be enough. :D

They have DI and a couple of other goodies ready to go on the V10 -- should be good for 700 or so. Beyond that... a source in SRT says there's a twin-turbo V10 undergoing testing for a limited-run super-Viper. Whether it will see the light of day sorta depends on how far GM (and any other competition) want to push things, but it exists.

Apparently one snag is that SRT believes that anything over 700 requires sophisticated suspension electronics (launch control, etc), and Viper owners are not so into that idea.

Gonna be an interesting few years.

blah blah blah SS
blah blah blah Z28
blah blah blah SS
blah blah blah Z28
blah blah blah SS
blah blah blah Z28
:rolleyes:

Come on...this is beyond silly now...I'm can beat a 70's Z28 in a Mailbu Maxx SS...what is the point.

Z28s and SS Camaros are two seperate cars. It was only in the fourth Gen where the lines were blurred. They are two different packages with two different purposes. BOTH are awesome cars in their own right. Can we stop with this SS vs. Z28...they are built for different purposes and for different people. You are not going to improve the size of your junk by trying to prove the Z28 or SS is better!

:/soapbox:

Now, back to the corvette. I personally like the name SS however, if it is ZR1 or Z06R or whatever...it is going to be an awesome car that will still take down cars that cost 2, 3, or 4 times as much.

:lol: at z/28 sack riders.

End of the world if it's an SS!!

Heresy!

The Chevrolet of 2009 is not the same as the Chevrolet of 1969.

It's not? Somebody better tell the design team for the 5th Gen 'cause it looks like 67-69 all over again to me.

any guess as to what the ZR means..... anyone


and its three ZL1 vettes ..

the yellow one..

silver.. and a white one

any guess as to what the ZR means..... anyone

It means nothing, or maybe.........
..............Zora's Racer....


But probably nothing.

It means nothing, or maybe.........
..............Zora's Racer....


But probably nothing.Perhaps. I still think the should have called it Corvette Zora. :D

As long as it comes out as either ZR1 or ZL1, that'd be fine by me.

any guess as to what the ZR means..... anyone


and its three ZL1 vettes ..

the yellow one..

silver.. and a white one

2. The 3rd was supposed to be a converted, by GM, L88 car. I don't think the vin # is right.

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That makes no sense at all. Really.

In 1984, the Z/28 was not only the most badass Camaro you could buy - it was virtually the baddest vehicle which GM even offered for sale. It pummeled Porsche so badly in showroom stock racing, that Stuttgard pulled the overconfident 944 out of the series with it's tail between it's legs, so it wouldn't get bitched slapped by Camaro Z/28's in public anymore.
You didn't have to get an LG4, ya know. Properly equipped, a 1984 Z/28 was just a tick behind the 1984 Corvette in performance.


Personally, I'd love to find a clean '84 Z/28. LG4 or L-69.

BTW, over 100,000 people considered the Z/28 cool enough to buy in 1984.

I know you didn't have to get an LG4 in a 1984 z28, and i know it sold very well. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It's obvious you drink z28 flavored kool aid with every meal, but my only point is, the badge simply is not a special, or exclusive. You said it yourself, it was on over 100k cars in 1984 alone. And now, to complete the circle, z06 and ZR1 have always been exclusive badges that meant something special. They were not slapped on L82 corvettes with sticker packages

AAMOF, the thirdgen even more than the lackluster second gen is what killed the Z28 badge IMO. *IF* Z28 had only been used on LU4 and L69, and then LB9 then L98 cars (i.e only top engines), and carried with it mandatory FE4 (or whatever the top suspension was), then you'd be on to something. But as it is, a 1984 z28 was far more likely to have an LG4 with all the same suspension as a base V8 camaro than it was to have an L69 and the fat sway bars.

Again, that is badge dillution. Something the corvette Z badges have never endured.

any guess as to what the ZR means..... anyone


and its three ZL1 vettes ..

the yellow one..

silver.. and a white one

Actually it's just two the yellow and the white one but a rumor that a red one with a auto trans was tested in late 1968 called the "Saturday Night Special" that car was later tested with a different engine and nobody knows where it is.

I know you didn't have to get an LG4 in a 1984 z28, and i know it sold very well. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It's obvious you drink z28 flavored kool aid with every meal, but my only point is, the badge simply is not a special, or exclusive.
Nor should it be. Z28 is a Camaro model. What is a Camaro? An affordable, sporty 4 seat coupe. Just like Mustang it is not an exclusive car.

And now, to complete the circle, z06 and ZR1 have always been exclusive badges that meant something special. They were not slapped on L82 corvettes with sticker packages.

Z06 was originally a RPO code, standing for a different fuel tank or pump IIRC, and only until the C5 did it become a badge. ZR1 was a special edition high tech, high performance super Corvette for its day (that sold for 2x the price of a standard Corvette. Aside from the chassis and a few electronics the ZR1 shared very little w/ the standard Corvette.

And now, to complete the circle, z06 and ZR1 have always been exclusive badges that meant something special.
.

Z06 has always been about 25% of Corvette production. Rather than being exclusive, Chevy built as many as needed to meet demand.

Wow...I like the "Zora" idea...
LIke the Ferrari Enzo, the "Zora" edition Corvette would be a tribute to the "creator" of the modern Corvette.

Trivia for the day is that ZR1 actually originated way back in 1970...
The ZR1 option available exclusively with the LT1 is significant for engineering, though not many saw production. It was a special racing package that included the solid-lifter small-block engine, heavy-duty four-speed transmission, power brakes, aluminum radiator, and a revised suspension with special springs, shocks, stabilizer bar, and spindle-strut shafts. Since it was competition equipment, the ZR1 could not be ordered with power windows, power steering, air conditioning, a rear-window defogger, wheel covers, or a radio. But the ZR1 package was quite expensive, and few Corvettes were so equipped.That refers to the original LT1, not the one in C4s. Likewise there was a ZR2 package that had the LS6 (the LS6 454 not the GenIII :))

The first Z06 was in 1963...
The Special Performance Package, known as RPO Z06 was created to market a turnkey racecar to the public. The Z06 option included unique dual circuit power brakes which included sintered metallic linings, that were larger than the standard metallic linings, vented backing plates, larger finned brake drums, cooling fans in the drums, self adjusters that work going forward instead of the standard when backing. The suspension modifications included heavy-duty rear transverse spring (7 leaves rather than the stock 9 leaves), heavy-duty front springs and specially calibrated shock absorbers all around. A 36 gallon fuel tank that took up most of the area behind the seats and aluminum knock-off wheels were initially required as part of the package but were dropped from the list in January 1963. Besides the Special Performance Package, additional extra cost options were required before the package could be ordered. There was the 360 horsepower fuel injected engine, four speed transmission and a posi-traction rear end. By the time you left the dealer you'd spent nearly seven thousand dollars. The Z06 option at $1,818.14 plus the other required options added $661.75 to the base price of $4,252.

I like ZR1 more than the alternatives that were being tossed around.

Really guys... who cares what it is called? Corvette SS? Corvette ZR1? Corvette Z06-R? Corvette Type-R? Corvette Fluffy Bunny? what really matters is that this will be a car that will put all exotics to shame. A car that for 100k will destroy anything that cost 2, 3, 5 times more. Actually I hope it is called the Corvette Fluffy Bunny.... so when some uptight, stuck up, exotic car driving guy get smoked by the new Corvette you can tell them to their face that they just lost to the "Fluffy Bunny". :D

Really guys... who cares what it is called? Corvette SS? Corvette ZR1? Corvette Z06-R? Corvette Type-R? Corvette Fluffy Bunny? what really matters is that this will be a car that will put all exotics to shame. A car that for 100k will destroy anything that cost 2, 3, 5 times more. Actually I hope it is called the Corvette Fluffy Bunny.... so when some uptight, stuck up, exotic car driving guy get smoked by the new Corvette you can tell them to their face that they just lost to the "Fluffy Bunny". :D

:metal:

Really guys... who cares what it is called? Corvette SS? Corvette ZR1? Corvette Z06-R? Corvette Type-R? Corvette Fluffy Bunny? what really matters is that this will be a car that will put all exotics to shame. A car that for 100k will destroy anything that cost 2, 3, 5 times more. Actually I hope it is called the Corvette Fluffy Bunny.... so when some uptight, stuck up, exotic car driving guy get smoked by the new Corvette you can tell them to their face that they just lost to the "Fluffy Bunny". :D
While I agree in principle, please keep in mind that this throws the whole "top dog" gets the "SS" designation into discussion. As this is a Camaro website, it is going to spark some heated debate as to how this applies to the next "top dog" Camaro. Some want it to be "SS" and some want "Z28".

As for the Corvette, obviously inspite of the historical ties to the name, the majority of Corvette enthusiasts didn't want their "top dog" called "SS" and voiced their opinions (quiet loudly appearantly) to GM. It goes to show that the enthusiasts do have a voice and we are being heard.

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I see carbon/ceramic brakes.