NEWS: Camaro to receive 500 horsepower?

The new Camaro could receive a new 6.2 liter V8 with direct-injection boasting more than 450 horsepower, a new report says. The new engine will be based on GM's existing all-aluminum Gen IV Vortec 6.2 liter V8 (L92) that powers the Cadillac Escalade.According to Wards, the prototype engine is currently being tested in a [...]

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"Yeaaah baby"

-Austin Powers

Wish they would quit teasing and come out with something definitive!!

I just watched this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfma32dHjtE



and started have thoughts and then I see this post

AGGH!!:confused:

Wish they would quit teasing and come out with something definitive!!


AGGH!!:confused:


You and me both, brother...but isn't that the point?? To watch the beautiful marinated tri-tip steak sizzle on the grill and feel the drool leaking from the corner of your mouth???

The day the new camaros hit the dealer, I'm gonna roll down there top down :cool: , Metallica blaring from my speakers :metal: and say.... "I wanna drive that one...." :burnout:


Cameron

This is a no brainer. You know the new Z28 will have power to waste a Shelby.

GM is not coming in second when this car comes out. So expect near 550 HP in the Z28 top line model when it arrives a year to year and a half after the SS.

And before anyone complains that is too long You Got to wait on the engine!!!!

This is a no brainer. You know the new Z28 will have power to waste a Shelby.

GM is not coming in second when this car comes out. So expect near 550 HP in the Z28 top line model when it arrives a year to year and a half after the SS.

And before anyone complains that is too long You Got to wait on the engine!!!!

The shelby of 07 or the shelby/whatever they call it of 2010?
And you do realize what the engine is good for right (SC 5.4)
or the Hurricane/Boss engines?

They'll all be fast cars, and have fast engines... but this 'its gotta decimate and rule ...we can't lose...' is getting old

The bottom line is what ever Ford has planned GM powertrain has been given the green light to do what ever it take and Lutz has said he will back them up.

The 650 HP Vette is only a start as it has already been pointed out they would not do 700 HP at least not in the first year [Quoted by Jim Queen]

I only estimate the 550 we could even see 600 as word has been the CTSv will see 600+.

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I agree. 600 HP, 700 HP is quite a luxury, an insane one and a cool one for bragging rights. Just give me a powerful Camaro that doesn't rattle itself to pieces and I'll be happy.

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?


I'm with you, bud ----- I love performance as much as the next guy, but what the 5th-gen Camaro needs is TO BE LIGHTER than the 4th gen, not heavier, so that it gets better gas mileage for those of us who won't be able to afford the $4 per gallon gas that our United Corporations, er, I mean States, of America government will be rationing to us by the time it is finally released, and TO BE BETTER BUILT than the creaky, flexy, oil-dripping 4th-gen cars. Also, there are still a few of us (maybe only 60% of the population...) who actually don't have a lot of disposable income because we need our $ to keep a roof over our heads, therefore something under $50,000 (yes, even more sarcasm here) would be nice.

The alternative is that GM enjoys selling maybe 12,000 of these cars a year to the rest of you, and thus ends up doing what Toyota did to the Supra, circa 1999 (or for that matter what GM themselves did to that ugly-spud GTO last year...).

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?


When 600 HP numbers are spoken your only speaking on a car that will be built in limitedf numbers with the z06 being the example.

The car that GM hope sell the most and will get the biggerst push is the
V6. The 600 HP cars are easy to make and give a good profile for the entire line. The V6 is the affordable good milage and with what is coming will perform as well as the 4th Gen Z.

The limited cars will draw a lot of attention to the V6 line and turn a tidy profit while doing it.

When 600 HP numbers are spoken your only speaking on a car that will be built in limitedf numbers with the z06 being the example.

The car that GM hope sell the most and will get the biggerst push is the
V6. The 600 HP cars are easy to make and give a good profile for the entire line. The V6 is the affordable good milage and with what is coming will perform as well as the 4th Gen Z.

The limited cars will draw a lot of attention to the V6 line and turn a tidy profit while doing it.

Kinda like how the 300+ LS1 in the 4th gen pulled in all those V6 buyers...
:confused:

If the 600hp car sells a few thousand and no one buys the V6...the Camaro is done. Hopefully that won't happen.
Even with the v6 engine... that's only one part of the puzzle.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I agree, on many levels.
1) It is incredibly easy to add power in the aftermarket for the minority of enthusiasts who want it. However, it is almost impossible to build a better car.
2) When can you actually use 500+ hp on the street? Really. High hp street cars are primarily for ego-boosting. You can roast tires with a lot less hp ;-). High hp track cars will be modified anyway.
3) Gas mileage. In the coming years, it will continue to be more expensive which will make the Camaro a more expensive car in the long run.

Focus less on total hp output, more on reducing weight (with mpg and performance benefits) and building a high quality car (especially the interior).

Kinda like how the 300+ LS1 in the 4th gen pulled in all those V6 buyers...
:confused:

If the 600hp car sells a few thousand and no one buys the V6...the Camaro is done. Hopefully that won't happen.
Even with the v6 engine... that's only one part of the puzzle.

Well Image sells to some and others it can hinder.

I spoke to Fbodfather yeaterday and he pointed pointed out how there were many people who expressed they did not want a lot of power.

This may sound odd but when you consider the fact many Mustang buyers are Females that want a cool car that is easy to drive, affordable, useful as in can haul things. The lower power V6 plays right into there wants and needs. Seeing they may be at least 50% of the target market they can not be overlooked.

As for the 600 HP cars these are image builders for the entire car and for the performance buyer. Many of these are men as as well women.

This car needs to be well rounded and appeal to many in diofferent forms. I know the 1st and 2nd gen Camaros were owned with small engines and people who really had little car if there was a Z28 or not. The 3rd and 4th gens moved closer to a pure performance model with a V6 available. The 4the expsecially was not a car for the wide market. It was more a Vette with a back seat. It was hard for many sto see out of, get out of and they did not care for the hatch. Thart does not say it was a bad car as it was a great car but not for everyone.

I know there will be some thing done to make the new car appeal to more people and it will upset some who think in performance only terms but for the good of the car not only some styling will be retro but I can see the market appeal being moved back to the original concept of a practical sporty car for all.

We too often on enthusiast sites thing and see things from a performance perspective [I do it too]. We will also need consider what is best for all not just the go fast people. But there is still room for a ultra perfromance image car to help sell the sportyness even with a V6. It is all image.

I really don't know how to respond without being a V6 cheerleader here. I guess the best way is to say that the ultra performance camaro doesn't fit it's image that everyone talks about. Not in my eyes anyway. I always saw it as the common man's Corvette. Look at the Hi-Po cars of old and you'll see them as extremely limited. I'm not sure of the ZO6 production numbers but I don't see them as a rare car. I've seen more of those things cruising around then true 4th gen ss cars(maybe a little exaggerated but you get my point).

The niche of the 550 plus horepower car in my opinion is that of the GMMG and Dick Harrell cars, or even the yenkos of old. That niche should be satisfyed by factory supported tuner cars not straight out of the GM product line. Special order cars and things like that I can see but why add to the cost of the car through R&D of these things that you need to have the V6 be your saving grace in the sales department? You know right off hand these cars are not going to appeal to the masses.

In a perfect world where everyone could have a supercar for under 30K and use it as a daily driver for an hour long commute one way, then yes I'd say go for it. The sky is the limit. But that's not the case. Take for example the cost of the currently produced limited production F-bodies. How much did the 427 berger cars cost? If I recall I saw them selling for 100K at carlise when they were introduced, to this day I have yet to see the cost of a harrell car but I'd bet that eclipses the 427 cost pretty easily.

Total product for both cars combined is at ~100 cars. Not nearly the numbers of the ZO6. And I think the argument is getting old. You know the one "Well look at the ZO6. It has (______). So if GM can put (______) on it then the camaro needs to have it."

So just do like Ford. Let guys like Saleen, Roush and Shelby modify and help create these supers cars. In the process absobing some of the cost. I havent ever heard of the mustang being discontinued or on the chopping block. GM has already revived one nameplate, hopefully the camaro won't follow in it's footsteps leaving Ford laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm with you, bud ----- I love performance as much as the next guy, but what the 5th-gen Camaro needs is TO BE LIGHTER than the 4th gen, not heavier, so that it gets better gas mileage for those of us who won't be able to afford the $4 per gallon gas that our United Corporations, er, I mean States, of America government will be rationing to us by the time it is finally released,

Hypothetical question... let's speculate for a minute that the 5th Gen car ends up being heavier than the 4th Gen car... does this necessarily mean "the end of the world"?:cry:
and...given the hypothesis that it turns out to be heavier, what if, at the same time... it got better gas mileage, was faster from 0-60 and in the 1/4 mi., plus was a better handling car than the 4th Gen - especially given the IRS.
I wonder how many people would refuse to buy the car on that fact - that it was heavier, but was more economical, faster and handled better?
Sure as all hell wouldn't bother me if that were to be the case.
I've already tried to make a similar point previously in this forum...
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4649654&highlight=Mazda+RX8#post4649654

Best regardSS,

Elie

What other cars have motors with "direct injection" ? Im not sure but the only thing that comes to mind when I hear direct injection is the E46 BMW M3 but I'm probably wrong.

Hypothetical question... let's speculate for a minute that the 5th Gen car ends up being heavier than the 4th Gen car... does this necessarily mean "the end of the world"?:cry:
and...given the hypothesis that it turns out to be heavier, what if, at the same time... it got better gas mileage, was faster from 0-60 and in the 1/4 mi., plus was a better handling car than the 4th Gen - especially given the IRS.
I wonder how many people would refuse to buy the car on that fact - that it was heavier, but was more economical, faster and handled better?
Sure as all hell wouldn't bother me if that were to be the case.
I've already tried to make a similar point previously in this forum...
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4649654&highlight=Mazda+RX8#post4649654

Best regardSS,

Elie

Elie, I see your point, but honestly I want more. It's not enough for it to simply surpass what the 4th gen was. The 4th gen is long dead.

BTW, every performance aspect which you mentioned, could ALL be simultaneously improved by sensible weight control - with no trade offs for it.

No disrespect, but stating that weight is of no concern as long as fuel economy, acceleration and handling are improved from the long in tooth previous model, reminds me of an Al Gore "carbon credits" scheme.

Elie, I see your point, but honestly I want more. It's not enough for it to simply surpass what the 4th gen was. The 4th gen is long dead.

BTW, every performance aspect which you mentioned, could ALL be simultaneously improved by sensible weight control - with no trade offs for it.

No disrespect, but stating that weight is of no concern as long as fuel economy, acceleration and handling are improved from the long in tooth previous model, reminds me of an Al Gore "carbon credits" scheme.

The big difference between this and the "carbon credits" scheme is that carbon credits don't actually do anything but allow someone to maintain a higher carbon usage based on someone else using less carbon. What was proposed that you object to is actual gains in performance and gas mileage in spite of increased weight, a far different scenario than the "carbon credits" scheme.
Clyde

The big difference between this and the "carbon credits" scheme is that carbon credits don't actually do anything but allow someone to maintain a higher carbon usage based on someone else using less carbon. What was proposed that you object to is actual gains in performance and gas mileage in spite of increased weight, a far different scenario than the "carbon credits" scheme.
Clyde

Of course it will out accelerate a 4th gen. I don't think anyone doubts that it will come with north of 350 hp. If the 5th gen comes with 100-200 more hp than the 4th gen, how could it not out-accelerate it?

Of course it will get better mileage, it will be required to. It will have powertrains acouple of gens beyond the last car. How could it not?

Of course it will handle better, the 4th gen traces it's chassis development back to the late '70's. The new one had better handle better!

All of these things are givens. After all, it will have technology years...decades...beyond the last car.

But, just because the Camaro will see a quantum leap in technology, compared to the previous car, enabling this performance - it doesn't mean that weight gain, (or substantial weight gain) is non-issue.

Lots of current vehicle outperform and are heavier than the 4th gen. A Charger SRT-8 for example. As nice as it is, it would make a piss poor Camaro.

Elie, I see your point, but honestly I want more. It's not enough for it to simply surpass what the 4th gen was. The 4th gen is long dead.

BTW, every performance aspect which you mentioned, could ALL be simultaneously improved by sensible weight control - with no trade offs for it.

No disrespect, but stating that weight is of no concern as long as fuel economy, acceleration and handling are improved from the long in tooth previous model, reminds me of an Al Gore "carbon credits" scheme.

No disrespect taken - I understand completely where you are coming from. I agree that there's more potential for performance in a lighter car, all things being equal.
I don't have any hard facts at my fingertips, but I'm thinkin' that in order to cut weight substantially, the more costly the materials are that would have to go into the car.
A Corvette Z06 weighs what... 3150 lbs. or so? What would a comparably constructed/equipped/ 5th Gen "Top Dawg" weigh... and how much would it have to cost? That could very well be the "trade off".
I think we must realize that GM's intent is to put this car out there "at a Chevy price", which precludes the car approaching the specifications (and of course price) of an "exotic". That's the domain of the Corvette, I guess.
What I can tell you is that GM is acutely aware of the emphasis that the enthusiast community puts on the issue of weight. I have every confidence that the "powers that be" will do everything within their means and within the parameters that have been set for this car to address this in the most efficient way possible.

Best regardSS,

Elie

Lots of current vehicle outperform and are heavier than the 4th gen. A Charger SRT-8 for example. As nice as it is, it would make a piss poor Camaro.

Darned right! It's a freakin' pig on gas and handles like a bull in a china shop!:D

Best regardSS,

Elie

GM realizes that weight is a killer, handling and MPG wise,braking etc.

I'd definately want the car to be lighter than let's say a current GTO.

!! About time we start hearing more about what will be int he car!

Now we just need a price range...

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

Geez man, why wouldnt you want a 500+ horse factory car? You dont want the V6 because it doesnt have enough power? Yet your not excited about a high horsepower car.

I think they are well capable of putting a fast car together with a enjoyable car. Me myself I dont think GM will step up to the plate with the fords. I want a car that will stomp a gt500's ass, but i bet it will not happen. I wanna see the LS9 in their top dawg.

If they make a base, SS, and Z28, you dont think you can find something to please you?

My message is PUT BALLS IN THIS CAR!

You got to be the dumbest person ive ever seen type.

We expect all members here to be able to express their point without being insulting. This is not an unrealistic expectation.

Fixed

My question is why was it when the camaro was first a go everyone was hoping for atleast 450+ now that they are getting what they want the complaining begins. If you want a 300hp car get a v6 if you want 500+ go all out. Im sure there will be an option in between but if not if you cannot afford a 500+ car get a v6 and do some mods to get 400 or so and save on your insurance. Are some of you people embarassed to drive a v6 or what? There will twice as many v6 cars sold as the lowest v8 model, that is what will keep the car alive. So just be happy the engine isnt under the windshield and think of the advantages over the 4th gen. If you want to save some weight swap the IRS for a solid rear (mustang cobras do it and some vette also) its good for about 300 pounds.

The base V8 Camaro should have about 400-430hp. At just below $30000, that would be a he11 of a deal. A 500hp Camaro coupe would have to be priced above a base LS3 430hp Vette coupe (about $45000). As long as the $75000 Z06 has 505hp, it wouldnt be logical for GM to price a higher horsepower Camaro much less than that. The big question remains: which V8 is the Camaro going to get for the $29995 car? LS2 or LS3?

LS2 or LS3?

Didn't they phase out the ls2?

Yes they did. Now there are 2 trucks ONLY this model year, that still uses the LS2. And it's probably a "left-overs" precaution type deal.

I'm not convinced that the camaro have less than 400hp in it.:shrug: Mybe my hard-headedness...

I'll take "Things that make you go hmmmm?" for $1000, Alex

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32890&postcount=101

:D

:p "Forget everything you thought you knew."

Lol...just when you thought you knew something....

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

That is why they will offer a mid level V8 with the power and price that's right in line with its competitors. I'm actually getting tired of people complaining about the power possibly being too high. Give me a break. These people make it sound as if GM only has two options. Either build a rattle trap with a lot of horsepower or a well engineered car with a rather ho-hum engine. I have the utmost confidence that GM can build a car that is high powered, built exceptionally well, and priced right. If you don't like the idea of 500+ hp cars then the pony car market isn't going to be your cup of tea by 2010.

One last thing. Just because you want the mid level V8 power-wise doesn't necessarily mean you have to have a mid level trim package to go with it. I'm sure that most if not all the luxuries available for the limited run car will also be available for the base V8 car.

ok so say we get a 6.2 di. with over 450hp. how will that motor be with a after market supercharger??? is there anything different in the compression that a regualr 6.2???

I'll take "Things that make you go hmmmm?" for $1000, Alex

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32890&postcount=101

:D

Go fbodfather ! :bow:

ok so say we get a 6.2 di. with over 450hp. how will that motor be with a after market supercharger??? is there anything different in the compression that a regualr 6.2???
Yeah, DI engines generally have higher compression ratios than Port-fuel-injected. Because the fuel injection tend to cool down the air charge. So, unless the engine is built with forced induction in mind...Blowing it isn't the "best" idea.

What other cars have motors with "direct injection" ? Im not sure but the only thing that comes to mind when I hear direct injection is the E46 BMW M3 but I'm probably wrong.

the new cadillac CTS

this is the funniest thread EVER! NO, please don't make the camaro fast! :lol:, looks like there are some mustang fans that are lurking on the board. look, If your concered about insurance then you better go look for a four door grocery getter. I'm sure that even the V6 model wont be cheap and no matter what GM does for the V8 it wont be pleaseant.

That being said GM better give us an option of the 500hp engine and have a base V8 that puts out over 430hp. Now as some of you have said and I concour on is the weight , this car CAN NOT be a pig. Weight is a big concern for me. My 98 would straight up haul a$$ if it weighed 400lbs less, it is just way too heavy. Why is it that a 1969 camaro can weigh 2900 pounds and my 98 weighs 3700 , that just blows my mind. Weight isn't just a performance concern as it is a mpg concern , make the car lighter and get better mileage. Now I've read some of you say well the Z06 type materials would drive the price up. You have to know that the Z06 is also a low production vehicle, while the camaro will not (hopefully) be. So having said that many of these light weight materials will be cheaper when bought in larger quantities and could even be implemented into the whole line ,not just the V8 but V6 lines. I'm not saying the car should weigh 2900lbs either, unfortunately that's not realistic, however 3300 to 3400 isn't.

this is the funniest thread EVER! NO, please don't make the camaro fast! :lol:, looks like there are some mustang fans that are lurking on the board. look, If your concered about insurance then you better go look for a four door grocery getter. I'm sure that even the V6 model wont be cheap and no matter what GM does for the V8 it wont be pleaseant.

That being said GM better give us an option of the 500hp engine and have a base V8 that puts out over 430hp. Now as some of you have said and I concour on is the weight , this car CAN NOT be a pig. Weight is a big concern for me. My 98 would straight up haul a$$ if it weighed 400lbs less, it is just way too heavy. Why is it that a 1969 camaro can weigh 2900 pounds and my 98 weighs 3700 , that just blows my mind. Weight isn't just a performance concern as it is a mpg concern , make the car lighter and get better mileage. Now I've read some of you say well the Z06 type materials would drive the price up. You have to know that the Z06 is also a low production vehicle, while the camaro will not (hopefully) be. So having said that many of these light weight materials will be cheaper when bought in larger quantities and could even be implemented into the whole line ,not just the V8 but V6 lines. I'm not saying the car should weigh 2900lbs either, unfortunately that's not realistic, however 3300 to 3400 isn't.

....wow.

this is the funniest thread EVER! NO, please don't make the camaro fast! :lol:, looks like there are some mustang fans that are lurking on the board. look, If your concered about insurance then you better go look for a four door grocery getter. I'm sure that even the V6 model wont be cheap and no matter what GM does for the V8 it wont be pleaseant.

That being said GM better give us an option of the 500hp engine and have a base V8 that puts out over 430hp. Now as some of you have said and I concour on is the weight , this car CAN NOT be a pig. Weight is a big concern for me. My 98 would straight up haul a$$ if it weighed 400lbs less, it is just way too heavy. Why is it that a 1969 camaro can weigh 2900 pounds and my 98 weighs 3700 , that just blows my mind. Weight isn't just a performance concern as it is a mpg concern , make the car lighter and get better mileage. Now I've read some of you say well the Z06 type materials would drive the price up. You have to know that the Z06 is also a low production vehicle, while the camaro will not (hopefully) be. So having said that many of these light weight materials will be cheaper when bought in larger quantities and could even be implemented into the whole line ,not just the V8 but V6 lines. I'm not saying the car should weigh 2900lbs either, unfortunately that's not realistic, however 3300 to 3400 isn't.

haha 3300-3400 definately is not realistic. the base C6 weighs 3300lbs, thats a $45,000 car. so it can be affordable, the car is going to be a pig, there's no real way around it. my guess would be what the GTO weighs, or probably within 100lbs. the fbody's are relatively light (by todays standards) but the new platform will have an IRS, making it heavier still. im not sure what the crash test standards were with the fbody, but im sure the new camaro will probably do well too so im sure that will not help with the weight either.

the 69 camaro can weigh what it does because its basically a shell of a car compared to todays automobiles.

haha 3300-3400 definately is not realistic. the base C6 weighs 3300lbs, thats a $45,000 car. so it can be affordable, the car is going to be a pig, there's no real way around it. my guess would be what the GTO weighs, or probably within 100lbs. the fbody's are relatively light (by todays standards) but the new platform will have an IRS, making it heavier still. im not sure what the crash test standards were with the fbody, but im sure the new camaro will probably do well too so im sure that will not help with the weight either.

the 69 camaro can weigh what it does because its basically a shell of a car compared to todays automobiles.
I don't completely agree with that line of reasoning, either. 3300lbs. C6. Yes.
but the 45k is because of a many number of things besides just it's weight. no doubt much of it is...well, it's a Corvette (the name costs a little, too.) But there's no extensive/expensive weight saving materials on it other than a lack of two rear seats, that I can tell.
I'm betting on a 3600-3700lb Camaro. Have we forgotten that Weight isn't a missed issue with the Engineers. Relax...and read my sig. :D


btw, Must we call the car a Pig? That's mean.:(

What was the "official" 4th gen weight? I don't remember the accurate number off the top of my head.

Edmunds.com has a 2002 Z28 listed at 3439lbs.

I weighed my IROC once and it was just over 3350lbs with about 1/8 tank of gas. It's fairly loaded with all power, AC, Power drivers seat, 350/automatic, 16" alloy wheels etc.

my friends 99 T/A T-top 6spd with subframe connectors, strut tower brace and WS6 hood weighed in at 3600 with a full tank of gas.

My 99 Z28 auto fully loaded (except for CD changer) weighed 3450 at the track with a 1/4 tank of gas.

Thanks, that is what I thought it was but for some reason wanted to make sure.

My T/A weighed 3676 at the track with full interior and loaded options with a full tank of gas.

As far as hp numbers, the majority of the cars will be V6s or base model V8s. i don't like the pissing contest that people have about the numbers, like I think that Gm will make the Camaro 1,000 hp to decimate the Mustang, and then it has to weigh less than a go cart, blah, blah, blah. Gm people will always be GM people, and Ford people will always be Ford people. If you want to buy something else then do it, but you'll be jealous when that 5th gen passes your @ss and all you can do is drool!

If you want to buy something else then do it, but you'll be jealous when that 5th gen passes your @ss and all you can do is drool!

I LOVE it!!:bow:
Can I borrow that for my sig?

sure!

Thanks a TON.;):lol:

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I agree. I looked at a 1991 Mustang LX, 5.0 on ebay, they had the original sticker and the MSRP was under 12k, for a nicely equiped 5.0 Mustang. Sure hp on that car was only 220, but it had almost 300 ft lbs of torque and good gearing, thgerefore it is still a quick car by todays standards. Today a V8 Mustang is 25k with just a V8. In my opinion, I think the Camaro Base V6 car should be a real bargain, not a lot of equipment, and light as possible. It'd be even better if I can get a Camaro slightly under 2700 lbs with a single option of the 3.6L VVT with 300 hp and a 5 speed, for $19,995. I'm sayin maybe 1k for the vvt engine as a stand alone option. Hell if I could get one stripped down as a base Aveo, I would be more eager to buy. I don't give a damn if it has power windows, I just want it to have a tight solid chassis, awesome handling, and tunable engine, like twin turbos on that DI V6.......... :D

When I lower it to get rid of the wheel fender offset gap (and improve handling) put free flow dual exhaust and a twin turbo system with small turbos and peak boost of 6-7 lbs, if tuned correctly, it will be able to pound out over 400 hp. Plenty for me as someone who has had 300, 450 and 550 hp cars in the past.

My T/A weighed 3676 at the track with full interior and loaded options with a full tank of gas.

As far as hp numbers, the majority of the cars will be V6s or base model V8s. i don't like the pissing contest that people have about the numbers, like I think that Gm will make the Camaro 1,000 hp to decimate the Mustang, and then it has to weigh less than a go cart, blah, blah, blah. Gm people will always be GM people, and Ford people will always be Ford people. If you want to buy something else then do it, but you'll be jealous when that 5th gen passes your @ss and all you can do is drool!

wow, with a driver and a passenger that is two tons of fun. Todays cars are pigs. The government is pressuring the OEMs to both make the cars safer (therefore heavier) and get better mileage, the two don't get along AT ALL. As I stated before, the OEMS need to lobby the government as heavily as insurance companies and Tobacco companies do. Not necesarily to get rid of 35 mpg standards, but to have the government pay for research into making cars safer AND lighter. If you put the 306 hp STS V6 into a 2000 lb aerodynamic car, with good gearing, you can probably double the mpg to 70.

Maybe they need to push into other areas for safety, such as 4 point restraints, etc, but just adding more and more safety equipment only does two things, it improves the car (not the driver) and adds weight. In addition to lobbying for help researching lightweight materials (to make them more affordable, easier to manufacture) they should lobby the government to step up drivers' license requirments, makeing drivers better as well, since about 99.9 % of all accidents are due to driver error, not lack of air bags. If accidents fell by 50%, and fatalities as well, the government would be much less likely to come down on OEMs so hard to make cars safer and therefore heavier.

wow, with a driver and a passenger that is two tons of fun. Todays cars are pigs. The government is pressuring the OEMs to both make the cars safer (therefore heavier) and get better mileage, the two don't get along AT ALL. As I stated before, the OEMS need to lobby the government as heavily as insurance companies and Tobacco companies do. Not necesarily to get rid of 35 mpg standards, but to have the government pay for research into making cars safer AND lighter. If you put the 306 hp STS V6 into a 2000 lb aerodynamic car, with good gearing, you can probably double the mpg to 70.

Maybe they need to push into other areas for safety, such as 4 point restraints, etc, but just adding more and more safety equipment only does two things, it improves the car (not the driver) and adds weight. In addition to lobbying for help researching lightweight materials (to make them more affordable, easier to manufacture) they should lobby the government to step up drivers' license requirments, makeing drivers better as well, since about 99.9 % of all accidents are due to driver error, not lack of air bags. If accidents fell by 50%, and fatalities as well, the government would be much less likely to come down on OEMs so hard to make cars safer and therefore heavier.

its not just the pressure from the gov't to make safer cars, most of the pressure comes from the public. when i worked at a dealership, people REALLY want a 5 star crash rating. and if they push for tougher licensing, they might be making potential customers ineligable to purchase a car.

its not just the pressure from the gov't to make safer cars, most of the pressure comes from the public. when i worked at a dealership, people REALLY want a 5 star crash rating. and if they push for tougher licensing, they might be making potential customers ineligable to purchase a car.

I never said they should make cars less safe. I do agree that cars can never be too safe. However we are always acting like cars are the problem. You can have the most dangerous car in the world or the safest, but if you never get in an accident it doesn't matter, is that because the car is good, or the driver?

Not really, I don't see people just giving up because it's more difficult to get a license, I see it as making more training necesary. I'm not talking boot camp or anything, but real life accident avoidance, and handling properties, bad weather driving, defensive driving, etc.

Basically we set down some basic laws and teach them to people that see the laws more as GUIDELINES and hand them a fresh license and that's it. What's worse is we hand them a fresh license and then they can get into a 2-3 ton pile of metal rubber and plastic and aim it around at 60-70-80 mph.

More rigorous testing and training would simply cut down on accidents. People should have to pay for the training as it is a privilage, but it should also be taught in high schools instead of just "Rules of the Road". When more people are alive each year due to less fatalities, there are more buyers right there.

Finally, have you EVER met someone who has failed to get a license through the current system? Have you ever seen them drive? I have, and it is still a bad memory after 15 years.

What was the "official" 4th gen weight? I don't remember the accurate number off the top of my head.

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1993-to-2002-chevrolet-camaro-6.htm

3306 but I think that was the V6 curb weight.

My 93 with an aftermarket K-member, A-arms, headers, true dual exhaust, and a 1200 watt stereo weighed in at 34XX lbs with a full tank of gas.

My 99 Z28 auto fully loaded (except for CD changer) weighed 3450 at the track with a 1/4 tank of gas.

Curb weight would be with a full tank, which would make it around 3525 (add about 12 gallons at 6 pounds per gallon).

i really dont want this car to have a million different kinds of v8s... whats the fun in that... the good ones are all going to be rediculously expensive, the v8s theyre going to use should all be based off of the same block at least

Are you guys still arguing about weight in this therad? I thought the title was about a 500hp motor and would like to come back to it when the topic comes back up?

I'm a little confused why GM has so many 6.2L variations, specifically the alleged supercharged versions. I can see why the need for differences between the LS9 and LSA (LSA is "cheaper" since it doesn't use all the exotic materials as the LS9) and don't know why an LS8 is necessary. Yeah, I could see that GM would want a CTS-V to make more power than a Z06, and could see that maybe the top-of-the-line F5 could use the alleged same LS8 as the Z06, so why ANOTHER SC motor? Maybe Escalade and Denali?...

I'd be happy with a 500 horse LS8, but would be happier with more. Maybe I'm being optimistic with the power numbers, but that would be sweet. I want to see if GM will offer a upgraded SC kit with the MP2300 like that's in the ZR1. THAT, would be SWEET!!!