Shifting Noise 00 WS6

2000 WS6 6spd had the car for about a month and has only 55,000miles. Just wanted to know if anyone else notices if you let the clutch out a little sloppy or fast you hear like a part shaking or something, strange noise loud i think. I live in NY and there are pot holes and it sucks sometimes it makes me let the clutch out a lil fast besides the Skip shift which sucks because i am used to shifting under 2kRPM and super slow from 1st to any gear because it kicks on randomly it seems it does it always at like 15 mph to me or under 20 and then it sounds like a semi! and it also sort of trained me so to shift super slow lol... any ways also everything is stock but an air lid and it has a steady engine temp of like 210 which seems high to me. is it unsafe? doesnt have any free mods done either. any ideas to help ? anyone no the exact size hose i need for TB by pass i tried to search for it but i only get just a hose and no specifics! thanks.

I have an LT1 with a Borg-Warner T-56. So this may not be the same. However, with your described symptoms, I had a similar situation where the Pilot bushing at the center of the flywheel was wearing out, and eventually blew apart. GM now puts a bearing in there. Not sure if your's is set up the same.

well mostly maybe when i try to get good gas mileage and skip a gear and then hit the bump, so not as much when i go into the up coming gear but when i try to drive with like my friends mom in the car and i dont want her to think i race and do bad things(its a mom)( i dont anyways but) so i keep the R's down to make it not as loud and not as head bouncing. This is the first car i ever owned and driving as much as i have that is MANUAL, so i am doing good i would say but certain things i dont no. Like its not bad if you let the clutch out like i have been saying but sometimes my head moves and it makes me feel like i seem to not no what i am doing because you would figure you shouldnt feel the shifts. anyways rememeber i never had a manaul, but i know i am doing it good! thanks any other things i should know go for it :) thanks so much so far!

What you're hearing is spark knock from trying to pull too low of an rpm range and probably some being caused by carbon build up on the pistons.
Get a skip shift eliminator or get a tuner to turn this function off. In the interim, if the skip shift light comes on just pull the car into neutral and wait about a second then put it in second where it belongs.
Get some Seafoam and clean out that motor (do a search for it on this site and you can find the instructions).
The coolant temp will always show 210 on a 99 and up f-body it's programmed in the PCM to do that. No worries 'till it gets up in the 240 range.

OK, well i also notice when i am in Neutral and rolling to a stop i hear like a strange noise but its slows down with the car, I just want to make sure everything is fine and i am shifting nicely. If you are trying to get good gas mileage give me some examples of shifting. I go from 1-3-5 and i am in 5 at like 35 is that good? it sits at like 1,000rpm @30 or is it consuming more gas because more engine load? THanks. just want to make sure i think i am getting 22MPG but i drive alot on Highway well to work. I get like 170 miles on 7.5 gallons of 93, thats like $25. sounds normal? i wish i had the 28 like it claims lol. thanks any tips i am free to hear them or read. thanks.

In my opinion your lugging it too much and that can cause worse mileage than letting it rev more under less load. I ease into the gas and shift at about 2400-2600 rpm and use all of the gears and I always use a gear that keeps the cruise revs at 1500-1600 or higher regardless of the speed. We get 25 mpg or so average with the SS and around 27 mpg with the 'vette driving them in this manner.

skiping gears is bad for the transmission, and i completely question why the hell skip shift is there, you know a transmission is a device that transmits force into the axles, so just like climbing stairs you take it one at a time, shure you can jump two or three but that puts even more stress on your legs and back, the same applies to a car. i used to skip the gears alot but not in my TA but in my QUAD TURBO Columbia, untill i realised that it was putting more force on the cluth and it was taking for ever to speed up.

There's no point in skipping gears and lugging the car around.... you'll get worse fuel mileage. Your injectors pulse more when the motor is at a low RPM load than when they are at a mid-rpm jog.

I would get a skip shift eliminator immeadiately. I think the noise you are hearing is clutch chattering because of letting the clutch out slow. No reason to let the clutch out so slowly it chatters. Let it out faster.

I drive my car like I stole it and haven't seen the MPG dip down below maybe 22MPG. Lugging it is going to cause a problem.

Skip shift is a really big annoyance, get an eliminator ASAP.

The noise could also be shifter noise. My Pro 5.0 in my '96 did it, and so does my stock Hurst in my '99. It sounds like the shifters rattling. Also a common problem.

If thats not the noise, it could be the usual T56 input shaft noise. All 3 of my fbodies have done it, and I've heard its also normal.

In '99 and up, the temp gauge isn't a gauge anymore, its just an advisory. When it goes up to 210, its just at "normal". It could be 185, 200, 210, etc.. its just the "right spot".

Get the throttle body bypass hose from BMR fabrication. Its like 20$ shipped and saves you some gas running around.

Also. would getting a pro 5.0 shifter make it easier to miss a shift or harder? Sometimes i will get to a red light go to put it in 1st at a dead stop and feels like something is keep it from going in. so i put it in 3rd and then back to 1st and sometimes it helps and i can put it in 1st again. also when i go to put it in reverse it is sometimes hard. Any ideas what the problem is? thanks.

Also. would getting a pro 5.0 shifter make it easier to miss a shift or harder? Sometimes i will get to a red light go to put it in 1st at a dead stop and feels like something is keep it from going in. so i put it in 3rd and then back to 1st and sometimes it helps and i can put it in 1st again. also when i go to put it in reverse it is sometimes hard. Any ideas what the problem is? thanks.

Sounds like either the clutch or tranny..

whats a good skip shift eliminator? thats cheaper? sorry to sound broke but i am. first car payment lol. But just got paided but only bi weekly so. I just want to have fun with it but cause no problems to anything.. so if a pro 5.0 shifter good and safe from missing a shift? thanks.

Pro 5.0 is a good thing to have.. I never missed a shift with it on my '96. You can get a skip shift eliminator for like 50$.

Also. would getting a pro 5.0 shifter make it easier to miss a shift or harder? Sometimes i will get to a red light go to put it in 1st at a dead stop and feels like something is keep it from going in. so i put it in 3rd and then back to 1st and sometimes it helps and i can put it in 1st again. also when i go to put it in reverse it is sometimes hard. Any ideas what the problem is? thanks.

It all depends on what you like. Personally, I hate short-throw shifters on T-56 transmissions.

You get more leverage with a longer throw and it will go into gear with less force.

whats a good skip shift eliminator? thats cheaper? sorry to sound broke but i am. first car payment lol. But just got paided but only bi weekly so. I just want to have fun with it but cause no problems to anything.. so if a pro 5.0 shifter good and safe from missing a shift? thanks.

There's a really cheap way to do it. Unplug the wire from the trans and put an resistor in it. Search the net you should be able to find a write up for it. 20 cents for a resistor and some electrical tape. Did this to the wife's SS back in 98 and it's still working.

because i hate (the skip shift). it like misses with your head when it randomly kicks on. i dont know about everyone but when i am exiting a turn i am not giving much gas and i am trying to put it in 2nd and it just slows ya down having to wait for the gears to open up. thats like from a red light turn or stop sign you know? thanks i really want to get rid of it.

Shifting problems?
Check your fluid level and color. If it's dark/black, change it by sucking it out of the cylinder with a bulb syringe and adding more. Drive it around a couple blocks and change it again.

Also it is hard somtimes to get it into reverse feels like it is stuck. is it bad shifting the shifter in the gears hard? it seems like it takes good effort to shift. is that common? so a short shifter would make it harder to shift because it is less leverage?

Also it is hard somtimes to get it into reverse feels like it is stuck. is it bad shifting the shifter in the gears hard? it seems like it takes good effort to shift. is that common? so a short shifter would make it harder to shift because it is less leverage?

A T-56 should shift very easily. If it's getting hard to shift or doing funny things, either your fluid in the master cylinder needs to be changed (which I described above), or you could be having clutch issues (time for an LS2 flywheel and LS7 clutch) ;)

Mike

the fluid huh? well i hope it doesnt need any clutch! it has 55,500miles on it. it just seems like sometimes it is hard to put it in a gear. reverse feels alittle funny i dont know if its because its used the least of all the gears but it doesnt feel the same as putting it in 1st. even 1st sometimes feels like it has one click into the gear and then two hard to explain. i dont know if it gets caught on something small for a second but i just notice it sometimes. never had a Manual Car before this you know but i think it should be ok.

That click is it passing through the gate, past the syncros and into the gear. Perfectly normal unless you have to really force it in.

well i did notice it has dark fluid for the clutch. how woud it make a difference? any special fluid i put into it? will i notice a difference from it you think?

well i did notice it has dark fluid for the clutch. how woud it make a difference? any special fluid i put into it? will i notice a difference from it you think?

Stick some DOT 4 brake fluid in it.

Suck it out with a bulb syringe, stick more fluid in, drive, repeat as necessary.

My cousin's GTO was acting stupid while shifting it...he changed the fluid and has no more problems... Happens pretty often with a hydraulic clutch, especially on LS1/LS2s for some reason. :think:

Mike

the fluid huh? well i hope it doesnt need any clutch! it has 55,500miles on it. it just seems like sometimes it is hard to put it in a gear. reverse feels alittle funny i dont know if its because its used the least of all the gears but it doesnt feel the same as putting it in 1st. even 1st sometimes feels like it has one click into the gear and then two hard to explain. i dont know if it gets caught on something small for a second but i just notice it sometimes. never had a Manual Car before this you know but i think it should be ok.

Question, do you have this problem in every gear? If so, it sounds like the clutch is not disengaging from the flywheel. I doubt all the syncros would go bad at one time. So, as mentioned, looking at the slave cylinder/hydraulic throwout bearing assembly would be in order.

If the problem is between just a couple of gears, then it could be a syncro problem or bent shifter rail.

Just a comment on the pilot bearing/bushing.....as I understand it....the bearing is worse for coming apart than the bushing. I've seen many pilot bearings give up the ghost compared the bushing. When I upgraded my clutch to an SLP unit, I didn't go with the bearing....I put a new bushing in it.

Due to the content I'm going to move this to the drive train forum.