new gt

was going down highway 249 northbound when i spot a new dark blue gt with 3 teenagers in it cruising in front of me, catch up and play around a lil to get their attention, got it quick too. we both roll our windows down and he suggests we turn around and run on the feeder going southbound from a light. we were heading towards the next exit then and both punch it for the hell of it and i was ahead by 1-2 cars by about 95ish, kinda shocked. so we turn around and get to the next light, turns green and we punch it, dude by about 50 i was a few cars ahead with a confused grin on my face. we get to the next light and he asked if i was stock, said no intake and exhaust as this took place a few weeks ago and did not have my elbow and foil put in, and he then commented he was stock. i was surprised though, thought the new gt's were finally up to par.

O boy here we go again :lol: FYI the new edge GT's ran door to door w/ LT1's...the s197's are a decent amount faster...btw good runs

O boy here we go again :lol: FYI the new edge GT's ran door to door w/ LT1's...the s197's are a decent amount faster...btw good runs

Funny..... Your telling him how the race should have been, he's telling you how it was. Quit mag racing...:rolleyes:

So your stock lt1 beat a 05 up GT? ROFLMAO In your defense only, the car didn't lose it was the driver. End of thread.

uh ya it did, im not stock, didnt beat up on him, and he had 2 other people with him, jump off my nuts bud

anyways it was a surprise and made me happy, forgot to mention it here until today

Funny..... Your telling him how the race should have been, he's telling you how it was. Quit mag racing...:rolleyes: I am? please enlighten me where in my post I stated that...im curious.

I used to beatup on them; back when my lt1 only head headers, Lm1, cai rollerrockers and a tune.

Nice kill, not sure why everyone is raggin on you about it, you won the race thats all that matters.

Anything can happen in a race. I lost twice to a car that i should have beat in my other thread but won from a roll. I just have to learn how to launch my car properly. Nice kills BTW.

I am? please enlighten me where in my post I stated that...im curious.


It might be the part that starts with "FYI", like your schooling him on the ways of the world, and ends with you telling him what should have happened based on ____?____.

That is typical mag racing at it's best.

stock with 3 people...figure 300lbs easy which is equivalent to 20-30hp disadvantage.

the LT1 is lightly modded and has higher than stock gears....

what's so surprising??


nice race...bet the kid was pissed

It might be the part that starts with "FYI", like your schooling him on the ways of the world, and ends with you telling him what should have happened based on ____?____.

That is typical mag racing at it's best. FYI was referring to his "GT's finally up to par" comment. The 99-04's basically ran door to door w/ LT1's. As far as what should have happen a A4 Lt1 certain needs more then a CAI and a muffler to beat a s197 GT. Yup mag racing at its best im sure my info has nothing to do w/ the 2 previous auto LT1's I owned. Sorry if i hit a sore spot.

I agree with Teke that the added weight and also teenager= inexperienced driver in most cases had alot to do with it.

OCZ, your mods in the sig are not going to give you much power if any really. The gears are probably the biggest thing that helps.
Technically the S197 should have drug you down the highway if it was a manual and an experienced driver.

This was not the case this time as OCZ did the dragging ;)

Same instance when we outrun an LS1...
Technically the LS1 should win, but the variables start to enter the equasion.

Good kill.

Sore spot? Funny, your the one that seems to have raspberries for the LT1's. Just because you couldn't drive, mod or tune one properly doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't.

I doubt an S197 can keep up with my 10 year old, bolt-on LT1 even with identical mods.

I bet my wife's car with similar mods would pull from your car?

So what.

I bet my wife's car with similar mods would pull from your car?

So what.


Mod it and see. Don't bench race, you sound like Antz...

What do you call saying a GT with similar mods could not run what your car runs....BENCH RACING...and did you miss the time and the dyno info genius? Do I ****ing appear as a bench racer?

I mean everyone here knows that only your LT1 responds to modifications...I mean, ****, my wife's car ran those times on a ****ty ass day...

I mean a CAI, a tune, some longtubes, an exhaust, some gears and a UDP (bought as worthless as 1.6 rr's), an EWP (if they even make it for the car) a gear and some tires that actually hook in the Mustang world would be good for probably one tenth and 1 mph.....

Mod it and see. Don't bench race, you sound like Antz...


I doubt an S197 can keep up with my 10 year old, bolt-on LT1 even with identical mods.


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thanks ya'll, naw the kid wasnt pissed because we came up to the next stop light and talked for a sec, he said he was in the process of getting a cai and pullies but was friendly. the only two cars that i have raced and lost to have been a evo mr edition and 06 vette coupe, believe it or not i have owned the car for about half a yr and have not raced any other camaros of any yr or model yet

I personally think a good running LT1 with a few mods could whoop up on a new GT with 3 passengers....

Heck...at the track lately the new GT's are running mid 14's to low 15's with horrible drivers...which seems to be many of the new GT guys.

What do you call saying a GT with similar mods could not run what your car runs....BENCH RACING...and did you miss the time and the dyno info genius? Do I ****ing appear as a bench racer?

I haven't seen it done yet. Prove me wrong, i'm big enough to admit it when someone has proof. Until then, I stand by my comment. Yes, I saw your times and dyno numbers, am I supposed to be impressed with only running a 13.6 with 283RWHP?

I mean everyone here knows that only your LT1 responds to modifications...I mean, ****, my wife's car ran those times on a ****ty ass day...

Now you go and try to change the direction of the conversation. When did I say my car is the only thing that takes to mods. On the contrary, I told Antz he was out of the norm with his 'LT1's are all slow cuz I had two and they were' BS.

I mean a CAI, a tune, some longtubes, an exhaust, some gears and a UDP (bought as worthless as 1.6 rr's), an EWP (if they even make it for the car) a gear and some tires that actually hook in the Mustang world would be good for probably one tenth and 1 mph.....

Maybe. You never know until you try it, right? So again, I say prove me and my old, somewhat worthlessly modded LT1 wrong. BTW, why do you get to throw a tune in?

WTF do you want out of a car that has stock tires? The last time at the track the car ran 103.2 with a DA of 2800'....some crappy weather.

Easy 105-106 MPH car in better weather.

BONE STOCK.

If you cannot see the potential there...

And the tune was to adjust for gearing....not the 87 octane timing that the car has because that is what my wife runs in it.

WTF do you want out of a car that has stock tires? The last time at the track the car ran 103.2 with a DA of 2800'....some crappy weather.

Easy 105-106 MPH car in better weather.

BONE STOCK.

If you cannot see the potential there...

And the tune was to adjust for gearing....not the 87 octane timing that the car has because that is what my wife runs in it.

On stock tires my car ran 12.8's, so what's your point? You keep throwing out this crappy weather thing. My car ran 12.6's all day long on a 90* day with humidity in the high 80% range and baro at 29.8ish.

Like I said before, run your car in better weather with a good tire and tell me what you ran. Mod it as much as your budget (and your wife, ;) i'm married too) will allow. If you run better with the same (or close) mods, i'll be the first to give you the kudos you deserve.

Saying a car has potential isn't an indication of what it can realistically do. With my traps, I have the potential of running 12 flat, but I don't see it happening with the current setup. Therefore, I don't go off spouting my car could 'potentially' run a 12 flat. I speak only to what it has run.

And if you're telling me that you're only gonna get a tune for the speedo correction i'm not buying it.

You seem to be taking this very personally. Chill out a little, it's just an internet debate.

97CTA,
Im not meaning to derail the thread nor debate and know you have been here forever...like me;)
Can you tell me how your car runs the times it does? Im really extremely curious because I have owned 6 GMs and 3 of which were LT1s and with similar mods as yourself AND the addition of a NOS brand dry nitrous kit part# 5176 I ran 12.50s all day long at 111 mph. Now please dont get me wrong as I do not doubt your times for an instant, but are really impressed and as I said ...just curious. You would have held right with me spraying you. :o
I still have that 97 auto TA that ran those times with the above mentioned mods, but its a track only low 10 second ride now stuffed in my garage waiting on cooler weather.

ps... I also drive the **** out of my ride so driver mod error does not come into play for me.

I doubt his times....12.6's in that weather with those mods eh? You know that corrects to 12.2's@113 mph.

Pretty strong for a car that puts down what rwhp? 300-310? I can remember my brother having a 95 Z28 with a 125 shot of nitrous running 12.8's@112 mph.

So when I take my wife's car to the track this Fall and run deeper 13's @105-106 mph....stock...what then...

I take this as personal as you do...not at all.

I gotta agree - a 10 mph gain in traps from basically headers, intake, and exhaust is huge, and certainly not what you'd expect. I'm not yelling BS or anything but a little explanation would be helpful.

97CTA,
Im not meaning to derail the thread nor debate and know you have been here forever...like me;)
Can you tell me how your car runs the times it does? Im really extremely curious because I have owned 6 GMs and 3 of which were LT1s and with similar mods as yourself AND the addition of a NOS brand dry nitrous kit part# 5176 I ran 12.50s all day long at 111 mph. Now please dont get me wrong as I do not doubt your times for an instant, but are really impressed and as I said ...just curious. You would have held right with me spraying you. :o
I still have that 97 auto TA that ran those times with the above mentioned mods, but its a track only low 10 second ride now stuffed in my garage waiting on cooler weather.

ps... I also drive the **** out of my ride so driver mod error does not come into play for me.

If I had to pick the one mod that differetiates my car from others, it'd be the Grotyohann long tubes. They were a huge leap in performance and power. Every car I've seen that runs the Grots seems to perform better than their equally modded counterparts, both LT1 and LS1. Also, unlike some others believe, the 1.6RR's really made a difference as well. I have probably had the valve covers off atleast two dozen times dialing them in just right. I am meticulous in the maintenance and tuning of the car. Other than that, I don't really know.

I know there are plenty quicker/faster bolt-on LT1's. I was going to go up for the bolt-on LT1 shootout a couple years ago with GMHTP but work conflicted. When the article came out, my times would have only put me in the middle of the pack.

Oh yeah, and I do drive it like I stole it ;)

Here's a pic of my slips from my two best runs:
http://www.badrap.net/97ChameleonTA/12-578pic.jpg

I doubt his times....12.6's in that weather with those mods eh? You know that corrects to 12.2's@113 mph.

Pretty strong for a car that puts down what rwhp? 300-310? I can remember my brother having a 95 Z28 with a 125 shot of nitrous running 12.8's@112 mph.

So when I take my wife's car to the track this Fall and run deeper 13's @105-106 mph....stock...what then...

I take this as personal as you do...not at all.


Doubt all you want. At least I can back up what it ran with proof, not "potential" numbers. I've never been one to care what my numbers corrected to, but that's great. It still only ran a 12.578 best and that is the only number i'll speak to.

The car made 314.9RWHP to be exact. Running 12.8's@112 sounds like a 60' problem, was he spraying in first?

When you take your wife's car to the track and run low 13's at 105+, stock, then you can post it up and i'll be the first to congratulate you. Personally, i'm more interested in what your f-body will run.

97ChameleonTA
Best: 12.578@110.71
M6, Nitto DR's, Moroso Cold Air, Grot LT's, Hooker Catback, Crane 1.6RR's, 3.73 Strange 12-bolt, Meziere EWP
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Naw, can't happen! :no: :o

That's faster than my LS1.

Mustangs rule all :death:.



















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Not that he needs it, but I'll vouch for 97CTA's times, dyno and mods list... His car has always run well for what it has - a true testament to the old adage, "It's not how many parts you can bolt on a car, it is the combination of how they work together." As for the headers I firmly believe they attributed to a large portion of his gains. There were 3 cars locally that had grott longtubes. All 3 were the fastest of their respective models down here - 1 LT1 (97CTA) and 2 LS1's (1 auto - mine and 1 m6) We were all a step ahead of other identically modded cars with different headers. I've run at the track and the dyno with 97CTA more times than I'd like to admit and waxed him most of those times only to allow him redemption in his GTP against my poor unsuspecting GTO. Talk about a humbling experience... Anyways, his car runs/puts down what he says it does even with the minimalistic mod list it has. Take it fwiw.


**EDIT - Wow, just noticed my join date and post count... Do I get the award for longest tenure with fewest posts? Dang, 27 in ~7 years.

To the OP, was this an auto or a stick? Anyone remember R_West? His LT-1 had similar mods to 97ChameleonTA except that he was an auto. I remember he trapped close to 108 and run 13 flat, so I can believe this time 100%. Stock he was only running around 99.

LOL, I still have the scars from putting those damn Grotts on that car. I had a 91 L98 Vette with mods and we would race all the time. We were close until the headers, rear and 1.6s (I already had Lingenfelter headers, 1.6s and 4.10 rear). I put a Carroll supercharger on the car (4psi non-intercooled) and with traction issues still couldn't get him. What were we at that point, about 1/100th ET apart Marty? So I punked out and bought and LS1. Did the lid/headers/stall/cutout and we had some awesome races.

Marty, the car, and the times are all legit.

**EDIT - Wow, just noticed my join date and post count... Do I get the award for longest tenure with fewest posts? Dang, 27 in ~7 years.

Since posts in this section don't count, I'm way ahead by the "official" post count :D

I thought that the new GT's were equal or maybe very slightly quicker than LT1s when both are 100% stock.
But when modded, like all cars, it all depends on the combination of parts used.So a Lt1 with a better combo could very well be faster than a GT with less mods.
A high 12 second LT1 like Chamelions should be able to beat every new GT in stock or one with a couple bolt ons easily.
Kinda like when I had a mid 12 second NA Fox body as my daily driver when the LS1's first came out. None of them around here could touch me for a while. I had alot of fun beating up on LS1s back in '98. But times have changed. Theres alot of fast LS1's now. My daily driver is even a LS1.
But it would be cool to see what a new GT and a LT1 would run with the same mods and equal drivers. I've heard of a couple of '05 GT's that also ran 12's with a few well thought out bolt ons.

yea they are a great match, as well as the 99-04 4.6L's. it was fun and a great race