PAC Beehive Spring GP

From this thread:
PAC Beehive GP discussion (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526877)
there was alot of interest for these springs. I have spoken with Chris at PAC about doing this GP thru Herron Performance and he says it is fine. I also have recieved a few emails wanting these springs ASAP.

I have loaded the PAC 1218s and 1518s on my website under Group Purchases. The sooner we get 5 paid orders the sooner this will be a go, the pricing is based on 10 paid orders but know you guys will come thru and to shorten the wait time I only want 5 paid orders.

Logistically this is what has to happen, the springs will be ordered and shipped to my business and then the next day they will go out via UPS, this could actually take up to 8 days once the order has been placed with PAC but I think this is an exceptional deal and others have stated that they could not offer this level of pricing.

Pricing for the 1218s is $120 shipped to your door. And the 1518s are $200 shipped.
PAC Beehive Spring GP (http://www.herronperformance.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=72)

I accept paypal at shon@herronperformance.com or there is a PP option on the website. If you would like to pay with Credit Card let me know and I will call you to get this information over the phone.

Spread the word, this seems to be everyone's answer to the 918 failures so let others know what Herron Performance is doing at this time to help you guys out.

EDIT:
I have placed the order for 10 1218s and 10 1518s, I know you guys are going to pull this thru, even though I have only got payment for 4.

GP will end on June 30th.

Once Springs are recieved they will go out in the order in which I was paid. I expect these to be inhouse by Friday and go out UPS on Monday and customer should have them on Wed.

Count me in for 1 set of 1518's for sure :) I get paid friday so you will have
the money paypalled to you the soonest i can on friday :) Thanks so much
for helping us out :bow:

How many orders we got so far shon ?

How many orders we got so far shon ?:eek: :rolleyes: :confused: :cry: :(
ZERO
What happened to everyone that wanted this!? It has been less than 24hrs since posted.

:eek: :rolleyes: :confused: :cry: :(
ZERO
What happened to everyone that wanted this!? It has been less than 24hrs since posted.


Ill start PMing people that wanted this with the info right away :) You have 1 order from me so we are closer :)

Thanks!

Welcome to the internet, where everyone says they want something, then as soon as someone offers it no one keeps their word. :o

I just placed my order Shon.

Thanks!



Not a problem :) I PMed everyone that wanted in on this :)

I just placed my order Shon.


Sweet :thumb: 3 more to go !!!

When are you looking to purchase? I won't have any money to spend on springs til this weekend?

I want to order the 1218's. What is the original price on these springs? About how many miles will they last with .575" lift. Will they be more short lived than comp cams 987 dual springs?
How much for the associated locks, retainers, etc. that I'll need to go along with them?

I'm sorry guys I've been busy I'll place an order when I get back, taking the family out to eat.
-b

I'll order a set as soon as I confirm what hardware to use. Does the 918 10 degree hardware work with these?

I just ordered a set of the 1218's.

Money sent for the 1518's. How many more do we need?
-brandon

Thanks for reminding me AZ2ENVY.

When are you looking to purchase? I won't have any money to spend on springs til this weekend?
I was thinking about this and think that middle of next week or the end of that week shutting it down, rewarding those that did not procrastinate.

How many more on the 1218s?

Which ones would be better for the GM847? Too lazy to look at the specs right now. :(

I want to order the 1218's. What is the original price on these springs? About how many miles will they last with .575" lift. Will they be more short lived than comp cams 987 dual springs?
How much for the associated locks, retainers, etc. that I'll need to go along with them?
PAC 1218s are 183.71 plus shipping from PAC.

I will get back with you on the locks/retainers/locators needed. The 10* locks is the way to go.

I'll order a set as soon as I confirm what hardware to use. Does the 918 10 degree hardware work with these?
Yes.

Which ones would be better for the GM847? Too lazy to look at the specs right now. :( Either one will be good.

Hmmm, I just looked at the specs and they both install and coil bind at the same height, BUT the 1218 says .600" max lift and the 1518 says .650'?? :confused: How does that work out?

Hell, they have the same spring rates and everything. What ARE the differences in them?

Ok, only difference I see is "Premium Nitrided". I guess that's what makes the 1518s better than the 1218s. :)

check out the other thread.
basicly the nitrided coating and the nano shot peening.
-b

Ok, only difference I see is "Premium Nitrided". I guess that's what makes the 1518s better than the 1218s. :)

You might have already seen these post but these are straight from the engineer:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4666318&postcount=9

Awesome, thanks! :)

I ended up ordering 18 sets through my work for a bunch of guys that stopped in to my work. So we place the orter for the guys locally around her this way there was no extra shipping they will all be local pickups sorry guys

How much for the associated locks, retainers, etc. that I'll need to go along with them?

*EDIT Contact me for pricing on the hardware.

4705-16 Seats
614-16 Locks 10*
795-16 Steel retainers

$200 extra for Ti Retainers 794-16

I just ordered a set of 1518's. Thanks.

So are we at 4 now? Just one more guys!
-b

For $120 I will send you the 10* Locks, retainers, and spring seats for this set up if you purchase a set of these springs.

4705-16 Seats
614-16 Locks 10*
795-16 Steel retainers

$200 extra for Ti Retainers 794-16

Thanks for the info on what I'm looking at to run these springs.
I wasn't planning on running beehives but this is a great deal and these springs are what is recommended for the comp xfi 230/236 cam I'll be running.

For now I'm going to just get the 1218 springs because I just bought the cam, timing chain, oil pump, etc. and have to space out my spending a little bit.
I'll paypal you tomorrow afternoon for them.
Thanks
Michael

I have placed the order for 10 1218s and 10 1518s, I know you guys are going to pull this thru, even though I have only got payment for 4.

GP will end on June 30th.

Once Springs are recieved they will go out in the order in which I was paid. I expect these to be inhouse by Friday and go out UPS on Monday and customer should have them on Wed.

Thanks again Shon :)

Hmmm, I just looked at the specs and they both install and coil bind at the same height, BUT the 1218 says .600" max lift and the 1518 says .650'?? :confused: How does that work out?

Hell, they have the same spring rates and everything. What ARE the differences in them?

Dimensions are the same and a 1518 actually starts it's life as a 1218. The 1218 will allow up to .650" lift without coil bind issues, but we recommend our PAC-1518 for anything above .600 lift because of the higher stress range. It's also a better spring for engines that will be turning higher RPMs and can take the extra punishment of aggressive cam lobes. The nitriding and other added processes we do give the springs even better fatigue life. I have ran the 1518 from free length to solid on our testers and haven't been able to break one after double our normal test length.

The PAC-1518 gets a lot of the same processing that our Cup springs get.

Both springs are a steal from Shon so I suggest you get them while you can!

Both springs are a steal from Shon so I suggest you get them while you can!

This will not happen again after June 30th!

I sent paypal for the springs this morning. Thanks again!

I have a question about my setup. Will the 1218's be adaquete for the cam I'm running or should I upgrade to the 1518's? The cam is a comp cams XFI series part # 08-467-8. Duration at .050" lift is 230 intake/ 236 exhaust. Advertised duration is 280 intake/ 288 exhaust. .576" intake lift/ .570" exhaust lift. Thanks for any info on this.

Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.576 int./0.570 exh. lift

Are you using 1.6 Rockers? If so the lift becomes 0.614/0.608.

Based on the recommendations from the company, I would go with the 1518s but that is your choice.

I sent paypal for the springs this morning. Thanks again!

I have a question about my setup. Will the 1218's be adaquete for the cam I'm running or should I upgrade to the 1518's? The cam is a comp cams XFI series part # 08-467-8. Duration at .050" lift is 230 intake/ 236 exhaust. Advertised duration is 280 intake/ 288 exhaust. .576" intake lift/ .570" exhaust lift. Thanks for any info on this.

If you're on the stock rockers the 1218s will work fine. If not I'd definitely upgrade to the 1518s. With Shons pricing you can get a set of 1518s for the retail price of a set of 1218s so IMO it's worth it to upgrade either way.

The .576"/.570" lift is with 1.6:1 rockers, which I will be using.

Sent payment via paypal for the 1518 springs and hardware.

Thanks again :)

Jody J.

8 total orders so far.
June 30th this GP closes.

I might be in on this if I can't get my new springs to fit, how long would it take to get the 1518's? And what is coilbind on those springs, the website lists 1.14", but if you install them at 1.8" and have a 650 lift cam that brings them down to 1.15" right there, .01" away from coilbind. The reason I'm asking is my 918's are setup at 1.75" from Lloyd and my cam has .600 lift and I just wanted to make sure I wont be running into coilbind issues.

I might be in on this if I can't get my new springs to fit, how long would it take to get the 1518's?
I expect the springs to be in today or Monday and they will go out to the paid orders the next day.

I am not going to answer coil bind issues with the specs they have listed, I feel this is a loaded question, we all can do the math and then there is the margin if safety each person must feel comfortable with, I will leave that up to you.

I might be in on this if I can't get my new springs to fit, how long would it take to get the 1518's? And what is coilbind on those springs, the website lists 1.14", but if you install them at 1.8" and have a 650 lift cam that brings them down to 1.15" right there, .01" away from coilbind. The reason I'm asking is my 918's are setup at 1.75" from Lloyd and my cam has .600 lift and I just wanted to make sure I wont be running into coilbind issues.


Actual coilbind is around ~ 1.080" I'll update the website :)

1.140" is the CB number Comp uses for it's 918 which is what I used to quickly make the site. That is a very conservative number.

Sorry for the confusion.

Actual coilbind is around ~ 1.080" I'll update the website :)

1.140" is the CB number Comp uses for it's 918 which is what I used to quickly make the site. That is a very conservative number.

Sorry for the confusion.

No problem I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a change in the design or anything that changed the coil bind height.

I might be in on this if I can't get my new springs to fit, how long would it take to get the 1518's? And what is coilbind on those springs, the website lists 1.14", but if you install them at 1.8" and have a 650 lift cam that brings them down to 1.15" right there, .01" away from coilbind. The reason I'm asking is my 918's are setup at 1.75" from Lloyd and my cam has .600 lift and I just wanted to make sure I wont be running into coilbind issues.


I also have .600 valve lift and 918s from Lloyd. When I turn the motor over with the lifters full/hard, the coils have considerable airspace left between them. You might try that - I found it reassuring. However, I do NOT know what install height Lloyd used. They are LE2 heads from Dec 2006. LE3.3 cam.

I just put in my order for the 1518's.

I just put in my order for the 1518's.

Sweet. You'll be very happy with those! Please post impressions when you get them.

We love feedback :cool:

Sweet. You'll be very happy with those! Please post impressions when you get them.

We love feedback :cool:

Will do I'm looking forward to getting them in my car.

Springs are here, will get them to UPS Monday.

Springs are here, will get them to UPS Monday.

Sweet, thanks for puttin this GP together. :bow:

Several more springs available!!

A few more left, pricing will never be this good again.

Got my tracking # Shon, thanks :)

just ordered up some 1518s, sent you a pm about the seats, retainers etc..

thanks!

Got my tracking # Shon, thanks :)

What he said. :cool:

I just ordered a set of the 1518's. They are cheaper here than I can get them froma ny of my distributors. Shon please let me know you recieved my order.

Nice talking with you earlier today!
I just ordered a set of the 1518's. They are cheaper here than I can get them froma ny of my distributors. Shon please let me know you recieved my order.

Got my tracking number too. Thanks Shon

Set of 1518's bought! Too good a price to pass up. :)

1218s on the way! Thanks Shon. :)

1 Set of 1518s left.
some 1218s are still here.

Received mine yesterday. Thanks!

Got mine today, Thanks!

Received mine today, thanks!

Thank you so much Shon, got mine in yesterday, I feel very confident in these springs. Can't wait to get her running.

-b

Got mine today!

Thanks again, Shon. :)

Got mine today too! They got here quick! Me in NC and him in SC makes for fast arrival!:D

Only 1218s left.
If there is a need/want for the 1518s I will get more in stock if there is enough demand.

I just started reading up on all of the 918 failures and am now considering taking my 918s out of my new heads and replacing them with 1518s. How much would you charge for just the titanium retainers to go with them? I already have the rest of the hardware since my new ported TFS heads have 918s in them.

I just started reading up on all of the 918 failures and am now considering taking my 918s out of my new heads and replacing them with 1518s. How much would you charge for just the titanium retainers to go with them? I already have the rest of the hardware since my new ported TFS heads have 918s in them. What locks do you currently have? 7* or 10*?

What locks do you currently have? 7* or 10*?

I can't say for sure but I want to say they are 10*. I could ask the shop that built my heads but they many not even remember. Think if I took a picture you could tell the difference between a 10* and a 7* retainer?

I can't say for sure but I want to say they are 10*. I could ask the shop that built my heads but they many not even remember. Think if I took a picture you could tell the difference between a 10* and a 7* retainer?
VERY Detailed pic of the inside of the lock :D
Be best to find out from them what part number they used.

VERY Detailed pic of the inside of the lock :D
Be best to find out from them what part number they used.

Hopefully they will remember as it has been a few months. Is there a difference in price between 7* and 10* titanium retainers?

Is there a difference in price between 7* and 10* titanium retainers?
Not really.

Lets get this going again for the 1518s, I really need a set!

Shon, I just blew up my motor last week and have decided to rebuild and want a set of the PAC 1518s. Will there be an opportunity to do another GP at $200 shipped? Thanks.

Shon, I just blew up my motor last week and have decided to rebuild and want a set of the PAC 1518s. Will there be an opportunity to do another GP at $200 shipped? Thanks.
there is an opportunity for another GP, pricing might be slightly different this time though.

there is an opportunity for another GP, pricing might be slightly different this time though.

Sounds great. Any idea as to when this might take place? I'm hoping to start the rebuild process within a week. Thanks.

Put me down for a set also. Thanks.

I will try to make a new post when they are in stock, should be middle of next week.

if this GP goes around again for the 1518s i will want some!

Should have the 1518s here on Wed. Once in I will make a new post.

Excellent. Looking forward to picking up a set. Thanks Shon!

I bought some 918's from Comp about 4 months ago still in the box for my build along with the 1.6 RR's and my 224/230 cam with around .550 lift.
If I can get Comp to take back my 918's and rockers and the cam I plan on getting some 1518's from yea (.650 lift baby) and doing 1.6 on the intake and 1.5 on the exhaust would net me .605 intake .603 exhaust using the 224/230 cam on the 3100 lobe part numbers.

Any more info on this?? Hopefully shon gets them tomarrow.

Any more info on this?? Hopefully shon gets them tomarrow.Just waiting on delivery.

Shon get 10+ orders and sell them to us for $210 Shipped ;)
http://www.pacracing.com/Street_Strip_Springs-PAC_1518_Set_of_16.html
Talked to one of the guys over there at PAC racing and that 1518 Spring is a Bad MOFO. This spring will work Perfect for my 3100 XE lobes in the .600+ Lift

Close to that.
sell them to us for $210 Shipped

Hey Shon,
Please let me know if you can get another gp on a set of PAC-1218 springs. PM me if you can get this going again.

Thanks - Mac

p.s. i have paypal .

I got those instock ready to go:

PAC 1218 (http://www.herronperformance.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=183)
Hey Shon,
Please let me know if you can get another gp on a set of PAC-1218 springs. PM me if you can get this going again.

Thanks - Mac

p.s. i have paypal .

1518s are in!
They can be shipped today via UPS.

Purchase here:
PAC 1518 (https://securehost98.hrwebservices.net/~herronp/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=184)

Sent funds today for the PAC 1518s! Just want to make sure you got the payment.

Sent funds today for the PAC 1518s! Just want to make sure you got the payment.
You should have recvd email with tracking info.

No I did not receive an email with any tracking info....I'll send a PM with my contact info just to make sure that you have the right email addy.

Got the info. Thanks!

Both are in stock and ready to go:
PAC 1218 (http://www.herronperformance.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=183)

PAC 1518 (https://securehost98.hrwebservices.net/~herronp/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=184)

They can be shipped via UPS today.

Closed to due Supporting Vendor request to avoid confusion between this one and the new one, which is here!

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531863