2008 Cobalt SS?

>does anyone know if Chevrolet is planning on a convertible Cobalt? I want to get the SS supercharged version, but if there is any type of plan for a convertible then I can wait. I need something that gets better mileage than my truck and its 17mpg :(

No plans for a Vert but the Cobalt will get a mid cycle refresh and the SS will get a turbo 2.0 DI Ecotec in 2009.

>cool... where do you find this info? I want to keep posted.

No plans for a Vert but the Cobalt will get a mid cycle refresh and the SS will get a turbo 2.0 DI Ecotec in 2009.

I seriously doubt the LNF will end up in the SS.

I seriously doubt the LNF will end up in the SS.

Why? That is what is happening. The engine has already been testing in HHR SSs.

I seriously doubt the LNF will end up in the SS.

I'm pretty sure GM outright said they were going to do that a few times.

They'd have to be absolute idiots not to put the LNF's in there though since they've stopped making LSQ's.

Someone please tell me why they are slapping the SS badge on everything?! The Cobalt's not worthy of 1 S..

Someone please tell me why they are slapping the SS badge on everything?! The Cobalt's not worthy of 1 S..
>the best quote I've seen is "any car can be an SS , but only a Camaro can be a Z28"

The LSJ stage kits made more power then the LNF. Doesnt make any sense, as the LNF is a nightmare compared to the LSJ as far as modding, and GM has tons of factory support for the LSJ. The LNF's pcm hasnt even been cracked completely. -_-

>the best quote I've seen is "any car can be an SS , but only a Camaro can be a Z28"

I like it...but the SS is the ultimate Camaro and that badge was only meant for muscle cars. Now even the HHR is gonna be an SS....They gave the Malibu Maxx the SS badge WTF?! The only 3 models that aren't SS's are the Equinox and the Uplander and the Tahoe as far as I know. Every car has it..

I like it...but the SS is the ultimate Camaro and that badge was only meant for muscle cars. Now even the HHR is gonna be an SS....They gave the Malibu Maxx the SS badge WTF?! The only 3 models that aren't SS's are the Equinox and the Uplander and the Tahoe as far as I know. Every car has it..

No... Z-28 is...

I know people say the Z28 will always be Camaro and use it as a superior badge but...Z24 will always be a Cavalier, Z26 will always be a Beretta and a Z34 will always be a Lumina, so it's not like the "Z" name is godlike

>Haven't heard of anything.

Get a Civic

Pretty sure if you do a search in the Future Vehicles Forum on the site you'll find a writeup of Chevy's switch to the turbo'ed Ecotec on future models. :)

The LSJ stage kits made more power then the LNF. Doesnt make any sense, as the LNF is a nightmare compared to the LSJ as far as modding, and GM has tons of factory support for the LSJ. The LNF's pcm hasnt even been cracked completely. -_-

huh? The LNF has a wideband O2 sensor, direct injection, an awesome cooling system, and a turbo. The LSJ by comparison is just a 2.0L basic ecotec with a tiny supercharger on it.

I predict in less than a year we'll see plenty of LNF's out there on stock internals pushing 350+. You can quote me on this

WTF is LNF?!?

WTF is LNF?!?

the new turbo ecotec.

and the LSJ is the supercharged ecotec currently in cobalt SS's that i called an LSQ for some reason.

I like it...but the SS is the ultimate Camaro and that badge was only meant for muscle cars. Now even the HHR is gonna be an SS....They gave the Malibu Maxx the SS badge WTF?! The only 3 models that aren't SS's are the Equinox and the Uplander and the Tahoe as far as I know. Every car has it..

One thing the SS badging is going to be widdled down to less vehicles.

But the SS has been on more than just muscle cars.
It was on a 73 Station Wagon.
on V-6 cars in the 60's

and the V8 Monte Carlo SS and Impala SS are faster than they ever were.

and the V8 Monte Carlo SS and Impala SS are faster than they ever were.

you know i never realized that but you're right the LS4's are more powerful than the LT1's.

you know i never realized that but you're right the LS4's are more powerful than the LT1's.


More powerful... but the wrong wheels are spinning..

I'll still smoke 'em...

I'll still smoke 'em...

with who's car? :p

With mine...

:think:

The 2.0L supercharged ecotec isn't just a basic ecotec with a tiny blower thrown on it. It's got forged internals, oil squirters, and other stuff that the regular 2.2 and 2.4 don't get.

The 2.0L turbo ecotec has even more features, as has been mentioned (especially direct injection). As for support and tuning lagging behind the supercharged car, I'd say that makes sense, since the supercharged ecotec has been out since sometime in 2004 in the Ion Redline. Tuners have had a couple of extra years to work on that engine vs. the turbo that debuted in the '06 Solstice GXP / Sky Redline.

:shrug:

Anyway, I'd be happy to have either engine in a DD. But with the Mazda 3 offering 263 hp, and the upcoming turbo Caliber SRT-4 having 300, it makes much more sense to offer the turbo engine in the future Cobalt.

As for the SS badge, Chevy has already said they are going to be a little more conservative with it (but the Cobalt SS is more than worthy if you look at the history of the badge...). The new Equinox with the sport package is called the Equinox Sport, not the SS. Other new Chevys will get a similar treatment, depending on the model.

But the old school SS packages were not just for "muscle cars". It wasn't always a top of the line (performance-wise) thing either. You could get a '96 Camaro with the SS package (which added various detail pieces), even if you got the much tamer 350 version. It isn't like you had to step up to the 396 to get the SS package.

Hell, even the land-yacht sized Impala had an SS package. If that humongous vehicle could wear the SS badge, why can't the Cobalt (especially when said Cobalt is capable of keeping up with a Mustang GT in the right conditions)?

With mine...

With a boost controller/tune/fuel pump a turbo Cobalt SS would probably rape your 13.88.

I seriously doubt the LNF will end up in the SS.

Well we already know the LSJ is done for in the 2008. And as far as it going Turbo, im going by this:

Who said we're killing it?

Yes - some will get the 'sport' moniker --

.......but the SS will be back -- and it won't be gone for long.

............and it will kick ***.................and take names........

With a boost controller/tune/fuel pump a turbo Cobalt SS would probably rape your 13.88.

I also purchased my car for 5K and it's 11 years old..

I also purchased my car for 5K and it's 11 years old..

So? You said "you'd still smoke 'em".... ;)

I also purchased my car for 5K and it's 11 years old..
>just let it go... you'll get eaten alive on this board.


I want a convertible Cobalt SS supercharged, but if its going turbo then I'll probably get it while its still supercharged (to bad its not a T-trim ;) )

I also purchased my car for 5K and it's 11 years old..

That was not the debate.

The debate was whether you'd smoke it, remember?

huh? The LNF has a wideband O2 sensor, direct injection, an awesome cooling system, and a turbo. The LSJ by comparison is just a 2.0L basic ecotec with a tiny supercharger on it.

I predict in less than a year we'll see plenty of LNF's out there on stock internals pushing 350+. You can quote me on this

Alright, internet hero, I'm just telling you what i know, as I've OWNED a car with either motor. I've taken the LSJ completely down, and rebuilt it. Haven't had the LNF for long enough to say yet, but its certainly a different animal. The LSJ is 10x easier to make more power, easier with. DI isnt something easily messed with, and it limits your options without a standalone fuel system. Also, the stock turbo on the LNF is pretty much ragged out from the factory. Borg Warner K04 iirc. As far as future potential with aftermarket parts, the LNF definetly has more there. With a decent sized turbo, a viabletuning solution, and a little bit of work, there is a monster of a motor ready to be unleashed. It wont be cheap however. And DI really limits the off the shelf parts that can be used.


My LSJ with $1000 in mods made 280whp in my ion (14.0@106 mph, 2920 pounds)
My LNF with $1000 in mods makes 260whp in my sky(14.0@100 mph, 2940 pounds)

The ion is over 5 mph faster in the 1/4, but both run similar times due to RWD/FWD and the ungodly terrible gearing in the LNF's 5 speed gearbox.




Back to your points. The LNF doesnt have an awesome cooling system. The stock radiator is TINY and the intercooler is even smaller. Stock internals pushing 350? Yeah, its possible, but not with a stock turbo. There isnt enough airflow to support much over 300 if it even gets that much. And like I pointed out earlier in the post, this isnt your average pcm. It's light years ahead of the stuff GM sticks in its vehicles. DI is no joke. Oh, and the factory wideband is useless for tuning purposes, just in case you were wondering.

That was not the debate.

The debate was whether you'd smoke it, remember?

Stock for stock...I will, but then someone brought up the boost/pulley/controller deal.

>Holy crap it was moved!!!
:confused:

My LSJ with $1000 in mods made 280whp in my ion (14.0@106 mph, 2920 pounds)
My LNF with $1000 in mods makes 260whp in my sky(14.0@100 mph, 2940 pounds).

And then you hit big ass brick because the M62 at that point is already overspun , sure it dirt cheap to make it up to 280-290 hp...but dont expect to go north of 300 hp with the stock blower . Then your faced with either a $2500++ twinscrew swap or a turbo swap if u choose to make more power . If the SS was Turbo charged from the get go , the aftermarket would have been much larger than it is now , and youd be seeing alot more SS's making SRT-4 like power . But as it stands , most of the modded SS's and Redlines save for a select few are stuck hovering around 270-290 hp with the typical 2.5 pulley/60lb injectors/meth combo and cant afford to do what it takes to make more power .

I can wait for the LNF pcm to be cracked completely to take full advantage of all the virtues of the 2.0 DI engine . Itd be much cheaper to replace the factory already about maxed out twin scroll with a more competent head unit , exhaust mods and boost controller , good tuning( tuned for E85 :cool: ) and Im laughing my way to 400 hp land . Thats just not happening on a LSJ without substantial amount of money ....unless u spray the piss out of it :D .

Stock for stock...I will, but then someone brought up the boost/pulley/controller deal.

Sorry dude but one of my cars is just as fast and the other is faster than yours. Our cars arent that fast. This isnt 1995 this isnt the day when they where the new power on the street. They are getting old. You cant beat evreything you race. And you might be able to beat a stock cobalt SS but you wouldent "smoke" it.

Stock for stock...I will, but then someone brought up the boost/pulley/controller deal.

Stock for stock i would put my money on the a TC cobalt. They will be pushing the same HP and the cobalt is a lighter car. The Lt1 might get it from a dig still. But I doubt it.

As it stand I have no problem walking slightly modified LT1 from anything over 5 mph. Dont get me wrong, I loved my LT1.

Someone please tell me why they are slapping the SS badge on everything?! The Cobalt's not worthy of 1 S..

Cobalt SS with the supercharged engine is certainly worthy of the SS badge.

I like it...but the SS is the ultimate Camaro and that badge was only meant for muscle cars...

Although I can't argue that Chevy has played fast & loose with the badge the past decade, the SS was most certainly NOT meant only for muscle cars. Go back and review your history. ;)


I'll still smoke 'em...
With mine...
With a boost controller/tune/fuel pump a turbo Cobalt SS would probably rape your 13.88.
Stock for stock...I will, but then someone brought up the boost/pulley/controller deal.

You ought to listen to corvettezl1;4641070. You're making the mistake every person who finds the LT1 Camaro the quickest thing they ever drove... they think the thing's Thor's own hammer. :rolleyes:

Yes, the LT1 is very quick in it's own right, and was even ferocious by 1990s standards. But you're being a bit cocky thinking you're going to take down a SC Cobalt SS without trying.... let alone a new V8 Impala or Monte Carlo SS. :lol:

The Impala SS will just about match a stock LT1 Camaro in acceleration and top speed (yes, an Impala will go 155 mph... till the limiter steps in). In short, you may edge one out, but you won't be "smoking" one.



10 other cars I'd suggest you stay away from at the risk of severe embarrassement in front of the friends and aquantences you probally bragged to about how quick your '95 LT1 Camaro is ;):

1. Ford Mustang Mach1s with 5 speeds. They will devour you nearly as bad as blown late model Cobras.

2. Ford Lightning pickup trucks (trust me, it's the ultimate humiliation)

3. Anything that has the letters SRT in it..... Yes, that includes Neons.

4. Charger R/T. Once the computer feels the engine is broken in, it'll just about match an LT1 in acceleration. Yes, that also includes that station wagon thingy called Magnum.

5. Current Mustang GTs, again once the engine computer relaxes at break-in (they'll edge you out every time).

6. New V8 GXP Grand Prixs. You'll get them off the line, but they catch you by the end of the quarter.

8. Any late model GTO. You don't even want to try it. :no:

9. Saturn Sky Redline or Solstice GXP. With half the cylinders, they'll get to 60 before you do, and and will keep that lead in most any street or freeway grand prix.

10. Any BMW with an M as part of it's badge made since 2000.

14.0@106 mph,

Nice driving Sally! Does your husband race??


:p jfwy

Nice driving Sally! Does your husband race??


:p jfwy

FWD+ No LSD + Wussy clutch = wheelspin and clutch spin.