Buying new springs asap. HATE MY EIBACHS **POLL**

alright i have the eibach pro kit, have tried lifting em up but yea, these springs are just awful. now i got a new rearend and a different offset wheel. and of course my tires are getting cut up.

SO.

new springs.

what should i buy? i want the Strano's but i dont wanna wait 2 months to get them, ( maybe ) so what should i buy? how are the BMR's?

i dont want more than 1.25" drop cuz my city sucks for bottoming out. 1" would be ideal.


are the Strano's really worth the wait, ( my city has terrible roads very rough, )

im leaning towards the BMR progressive springs, being they are only a 1" drop and i like the progressive idea for my horrible roads.

the Bmr Spring rate is 310-550 for the front and 145-170 for the rear.
Strano's are 550/150

Right now im waiting for my springs from strano. Id love to give you my review for them but havent gotten them yet. Is it worth the wait? from what ive heard about them yea it will be

Judging from his level of expertise and the other good setups and advice he puts out, I would wait for the Stranos.

Hotchkis is another alternative.

Currently I have sh!tty H&R springs....soon, I will be getting the Strano springs....along with a set of adj. Konis!

So are you blaming the Eibach springs for purchasing the wrong offset wheels? How big and what offset wheels are tires are they? I have Eibachs and was a nice improvement over stock. Car handles way better and the 1.25 inch drop really helped in closeing up the huge fender to tire gap. I'm not saying there might not be a better spring out there. I would just like to know why you think there so crappy.

So are you blaming the Eibach springs for purchasing the wrong offset wheels? How big and what offset wheels are tires are they? I have Eibachs and was a nice improvement over stock. Car handles way better and the 1.25 inch drop really helped in closeing up the huge fender to tire gap. I'm not saying there might not be a better spring out there. I would just like to know why you think there so crappy.

first of all i hated my eibachs just as much with my stock wheels and tires, the only reason why my tires are being cut is bcause i dont have an ajustable panhard rod.

the wheels i ordered are exactly the same as my stock wheels, but the rears tires are a little bigger even tho it is the stock 275\40\17, therefor its being cut.

do a search on Eibach springs, 90% of the people hate them and we all share the same problem.

wheels are american racing 17 x 9.5 with i bieleve a 35 mm offset.

first of all i hated my eibachs just as much with my stock wheels and tires, the only reason why my tires are being cut is bcause i dont have an ajustable panhard rod.

the wheels i ordered are exactly the same as my stock wheels, but the rears tires are a little bigger even tho it is the stock 275\40\17, therefor its being cut.

do a search on Eibach springs, 90% of the people hate them and we all share the same problem.

wheels are american racing 17 x 9.5 with i bieleve a 35 mm offset.

so what your saying is you dont like them cause other people dont like them?

obviously the problem your having is due to lowering your car and not buying all the pieces you need

instead of spending more money on more springs that are going to cause the same exact problem (rear not being centered) why dont you buy the adj. panhard bar first, your going to need it anyway

and if after that you still dont like them because other people dont like them, or you can come up with a reason of your own to not like them, buy the springs

This may be a dumb question, but where would I get a set of Strano's and how much are they?

my rear is only off center by 1\3 of an inch, it wont make that much of a diff.

the PHB has nothing to do with a horrible spring rate i can push the back of my car down to my bump stops with half my body weight.

i dont know why you guys are thinking that its not the springs fault lol, the eibach pro kit is garbage, end of story lol, they are notorious for ass sag after about 2 months. well ive had mine on for 9 months now, and they are garbage, worst riding car ive ever been in.

after i got my rearend in, ( my car was on a hoist for a week ) my springs got some spring back into them lol, for 2 days, it drove unbielevably well, just like when i first put them in, 2 days later, ass end is down an extra inch, and no travel and no tension.

you cant blame my shocks, or my phb or whatever else you may want to come up with. its very obvious what the problem is.

my rear is only off center by 1\3 of an inch, it wont make that much of a diff.

the PHB has nothing to do with a horrible spring rate i can push the back of my car down to my bump stops with half my body weight.

i dont know why you guys are thinking that its not the springs fault lol, the eibach pro kit is garbage, end of story lol, they are notorious for ass sag after about 2 months. well ive had mine on for 9 months now, and they are garbage, worst riding car ive ever been in.

after i got my rearend in, ( my car was on a hoist for a week ) my springs got some spring back into them lol, for 2 days, it drove unbielevably well, just like when i first put them in, 2 days later, ass end is down an extra inch, and no travel and no tension.

you cant blame my shocks, or my phb or whatever else you may want to come up with. its very obvious what the problem is.

For one thing, the car will not track right if you don't center the car over the rearend. Shorter springs need different shocks as well. Besides that the control arms are now at the wrong angle and you need relocation brackets. And on top of that, if that isn't enough, your pinion angle is off also, from lowering the car. And if you didn't know it, Eibachs have a lifetime warranty against sagging, and your the first one I've ever heard of having a problem with that. Next time do it right, (research) or don't complain when it doesn't work out the way you thought it would. :rolleyes:

For one thing, the car will not track right if you don't center the car over the rearend. Shorter springs need different shocks as well. Besides that the control arms are now at the wrong angle and you need relocation brackets. And on top of that, if that isn't enough, your pinion angle is off also, from lowering the car. And if you didn't know it, Eibachs have a lifetime warranty against sagging, and your the first one I've ever heard of having a problem with that. Next time do it right, (research) or don't complain when it doesn't work out the way you thought it would. :rolleyes:

i have a lowercontrol arm reloaction kit as well as an adjustable torque arm and i set my pinion angel to -1.3 degrees. but thanks for the advice.
and i do have new shocks as well. ive done my research and i know the problem.

go to ls1tech.com and do a search for eibach springs, there is hundreds of posts of people who do not like them for all the same reasons.

I got mine in about a month ago, an i will agree, the ride is pretty bad, but i couldnt stand the fender gap.

This may be a dumb question, but where would I get a set of Strano's and how much are they?


Google "Sam Strano" or do a search on here. He can give you all the info.

i have a lowercontrol arm reloaction kit as well as an adjustable torque arm and i set my pinion angel to -1.3 degrees. but thanks for the advice.
and i do have new shocks as well. ive done my research and i know the problem.

go to ls1tech.com and do a search for eibach springs, there is hundreds of posts of people who do not like them for all the same reasons.

Would have been nice if you posted that info in the first place. Good luck with your next set of springs and thanks for wasting my time. :confused:

What shocks do you have with these springs? I didn't see them.

If you dont' have revalves or Konis thats half the reason right there, can't control the spring.

i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.

there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.

What shocks do you have with these springs? I didn't see them.

If you dont' have revalves or Konis thats half the reason right there, can't control the spring.

Forget trying to help this guy, he knows it all. The right shocks to go with the springs, yeah, that would make no sense at all. No he would rather make statements like, his tire is being cut, he knows his car isn't centered over the rearend, but hasn't bought an adjustable panhard rod. 9 out of 10 people hate their Eibachs. Can bottom out the car with half his body weight. Springs wore out 9 months, known to have ass sag in 2 months. By the way mine are 10 years old and still have no sag. And somehow after being on a lift for a week they came back to life for a few days.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but you have more problems than just the springs.

i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.

there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.


Well you go with a pretty high spring rate spring, use improper shocks to control this and then lower your ground clearance, supension travel. And who knows what else, and you wonor why something is not working correctly?

Good luck, were just trying to help.

i know your just trying to help, and i appreciate it, but i dont see how using HD's are improper. i know lots of people running them, and even more said it was okay. all forums are so opinionated.

and i have bought an adj PHB. its on the way, it was the first thing i did, no i havn't rolled my fender because i listened to you guys and agreed that it could mess up my car.

all this thread was supposed to do was to help me pick a new spring.
i am not happy with my eibachs, i dont like the 1.5" drop in the rear and i want something new, as far as them sagging, and you guys not bieleving me nor the other people who have the same problem.

call eibach, talk to the tech department, and ask about late model camaro's Pro kit and what problems, first thing on there list is the rear springs sag. there fix for it is retarded and doesnt make sense, so i didnt bother doing it.

(said something like put my factory lower control arm bushings back in, urethane are no good., didnt make sense to me, so i left it)

http://www.stranoparts.com/frontpage.php

Look here, all springs have at the least the revalves.

Lower springs, lower the car and decrease supension travel and increase your spring rate! If you have more than 16 inch wheels and tires you have increased your unspring weight too.

Sam has won many races etc. And would not recommend the HD for a 1.5 inch drop spring.

Get a set of realves and some 1.2 sam springs you should be happy.

Why do you need springs? I like doing the hose mod and using the lower perch with the SAj'as its a bit lower, and still very nice!

k, couple questions about the re valves,
What benefit do they offer over the normal HD shock for normal street use?
How do i go about getting them, do i just buy them, or can i re-valve my HD's? ( i bieleve thats what they are, HD's revalved, correct me if im wrong)

is it worth upgrading? and how much $$$

Revalves for the spring your going to be use. Are set up to control the shock (rebound). They do start life as HD normally. Sam Strano would be the person to talk to. I dont' know if you can send your 2 shocks in and get them valved or not. I got my new though him.

HD's are "ok" for normal springs and much better than the decarbons. Just with any lowerspring your increasing your rate my usually large amounts, but not the shock. The shock has to be good enough to control the spring. Even for street use.

www.stranoparts.com

Here's a thought, is there a difference where the spring perch is located on your 9'', compared to the stock rearend?

Here's a thought, is there a difference where the spring perch is located on your 9'', compared to the stock rearend?

its supposed to be identical, and from what we could tell it was. so i dont know,

i ordered a set of Strano's today and a PHB on tuesday. so by next weekend i should be good.

i have a bilstien HD shock, revalves are only neccessary if your driving your car really hard or racing it. koni's are good but not worth the money for my application.

there is nothing wrong with a Bilstein HD shock for regular street driving with very few times at the track.

Really? That's news to me, and to Bilstein since they make it pretty clear HD's aren't suitable for lowering springs.

Do you somehow leave the spring rate @ home when you aren't "driving your car really hard or racing it". The car has NO IDEA what it's doing, doesn't care. The shocks control the sprung mass, the spring rate, and the unpsrung mass--and of which are always there all the time.

Really? That's news to me, and to Bilstein since they make it pretty clear HD's aren't suitable for lowering springs.

Do you somehow leave the spring rate @ home when you aren't "driving your car really hard or racing it". The car has NO IDEA what it's doing, doesn't care. The shocks control the sprung mass, the spring rate, and the unpsrung mass--and of which are always there all the time.

k so what should i do? can i get my current shocks re valved?

k so what should i do? can i get my current shocks re valved?

Bilsteins can be revalved, but I don't do it on used shocks (far too many issues in the past), and Bilstein will not put my specified valvings into shocks. Given the price of Revalving 4 old ones, plus to and from shipping, the wait time and the car laid up..... Most folks find buying new, saving about a week in shipping), not having the car laid up because your shocks aren't off getting worked, and having a set of HD's that hold their value well makes more sense.

New Revalves $530
Revalving old shocks around $300
Selling HD's used, say $250.

$530
-$250
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$280 is the net cost of buying new/selling old. Less than revalving 4 old ones and in normal circumstances saves about a week, location depending, for you to ship yours in. Of course YMMV based on what you'd get for used stuff and how much shipping you might incur to and from Canada.

so what actually happens with the hd's like why do they suck for lowered cars? what would change as far as ride quality, i mean i know you know your stuff, but now im kinda upset cuz my supplier said it would be fine for lowering springs. now i feel like i wasted money and time., :(

They can not control your new stiff rate springs due to the higher rates of the springs and less supension travel.

Got to read. Suppliers most of the time sell parts to make money, not try to help you choose whats best. Thats why people Like me LIKE sam he dont' sell you stuff you dont 'need. And is honest with you.

k, ill ask this question.

would the bilstien hd's be a hell of a lot better than the stock shocks with the lowering kit?

There better vavled than the stock shocks that for sure. If you want to get HD's and use stock shocks I think that would be a good option for you it sounds like. And wont' be that much money.

People lower these cars without doing it right and wondor whyit handles not so good and the ride sucks.