C6 Brakes?

I wanted to upgrade to the c6 z51 brakes.. But i'm having a tough time finding part numbers. I went to gmpartsdirect.com.. I can find the c5 setup but wanted to go with the larger C6 setup.. I need #'s for the calipers and crossdrilled rotors from gm. also what other parts i might need other than the bob bishop brackets.. also the brake lines are they the stainless steel kind..
thanks..

anyone

I don't think anyone is making brackets for the c6 brakes yet. I would love to put on the C6 Zo6 brakes on the front of my SS.

I wanted to upgrade to the c6 z51 brakes.. But i'm having a tough time finding part numbers. I went to gmpartsdirect.com.. I can find the c5 setup but wanted to go with the larger C6 setup.. I need #'s for the calipers and crossdrilled rotors from gm. also what other parts i might need other than the bob bishop brackets.. also the brake lines are they the stainless steel kind..
thanks..

Kore 3 is selling the conversion equipment for C6 Z51 brakes and the Z06 brakes.

Just FYI, if you do a little research on the C6 Z06 brakes, you will find that they aren't all they are cracked up to be. Mostly because they are cheeply built, won't stop worth anything and are a nightmare to work with. On the plus side, you can get them pretty cheep.

I considered this a while back because of them being 6 piston calipers for cheep. Then after someone pointed me in the direction of a few Corvette forums, and talked in person to a few guys that had them, I realized getting them would have been a big mistake. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

yeah thanks i wasnt lookin to get the c6 z06 brakes i was looking at the c6 z51 brakes.. a lil bigger than to std c6 brakes.. i did get the part # if anyone wanted to know here they are

calipers 88964165,88964164
rotors 89060328
brackets 88964166

C6 Z51 brakes are very similar to base C6 and C5 brakes. The only differences are the pad bracket and rotor. The caliper is the same. You can use C5 conversion brackets to put on C6 Z51 brakes, but you will need 18" wheels. Also, no one is making cheap aftermarket rotors for them yet.

I would just stick with C5 brakes.

I would just stick with C5 brakes.

Word :thumb:

I think I'm going to get the C5 Zo6 brakes

Thats what I got and it stops this 3650lb turd on a dime!

Thats what I got and it stops this 3650lb turd on a dime!

I'll second that.

Dan

I don't think anyone is making brackets for the c6 brakes yet. I would love to put on the C6 Zo6 brakes on the front of my SS.

TrackBrackets (formerly known as Bob Bishop brackets) work for C5 and C6 brakes, including Z51 and Z06 for both generations.

Just FYI, if you do a little research on the C6 Z06 brakes, you will find that they aren't all they are cracked up to be. Mostly because they are cheeply built, won't stop worth anything and are a nightmare to work with. On the plus side, you can get them pretty cheep.

I considered this a while back because of them being 6 piston calipers for cheep. Then after someone pointed me in the direction of a few Corvette forums, and talked in person to a few guys that had them, I realized getting them would have been a big mistake. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
First I've heard any of that. Is the problem with the rotor, the caliper...? What did you end up going with?

First I've heard any of that. Is the problem with the rotor, the caliper...? What did you end up going with?


Like I said before, they are cheeply built, won't stop very well, and are a royal pain to work with (mostly because each of the 6 pistons in the calipers require their own individual brake pad!). Basically I have heard nothing but complaints from all the Corvette C6 Z06 guys with these. Don't take it just from me though, try searching the Corvette forums, and you will find a ton more of the same opinions.

Personally I ended up going with a Baer Track Pro system.

http://i17.tinypic.com/4p2i5up.jpg

Personally I ended up going with a Baer Track Pro system.

I didn't find anything called Track Pro, but Baer's website lists a Track Plus. Is that what you have?

I was expecting to see a price tag of $2500+, but it looks like I could get it for not much more than a grand -- pretty similar to what a C6 Z06 setup would cost. Price is one of the biggest reasons I was considering the C6 Z06 brakes -- any other 14" caliper, six-piston setup is at least twice the price. Is that about what you paid?

I didn't find anything called Track Pro, but Baer's website lists a Track Plus. Is that what you have?

I was expecting to see a price tag of $2500+, but it looks like I could get it for not much more than a grand -- pretty similar to what a C6 Z06 setup would cost. Price is one of the biggest reasons I was considering the C6 Z06 brakes -- any other 14" caliper, six-piston setup is at least twice the price. Is that about what you paid?

Sorry, I have the "Track" system, and I believe it was only around $1200 I paid for the whole system (including rotors, calipers, and steel braded brake lines. It pretty much is the best system for the money.) To really step it up from there, expect to spend about twice as much ($3,000 or so).

Is the Baer better than the c5 z06 brakes? what size rotor are you running?

Is the Baer better than the c5 z06 brakes? what size rotor are you running?

I'm sure it depends on what exact system you are reffering to, and even then, there are no exact specs on performance here, especially since it really depends on the type of pad/tire you are using as well, not to mention vehicle weight ect. ect. ect. The only real way is to ride in similar vehicles with different setups.

The C6 Z06 brakes have countless flaws, and from what the Corvette guys are saying, they don't stop worth a darn anyways. Just because one brake system has 6 piston calipers doesn't mean it will out stop a 2 piston caliper. I have ridden in another F-body with the Wilwood 6 piston caliper brake system with 13 inch rotors (same as mine) with the same pads, and my Baer Track 2 piston caliper out stops his hands down.

No Im talking about the C5 Z06 brakes, you can get them setup for under 500 and I havent been gotten any brake fade. Im trying to compare pad size and rotor diameter to see if the baer setup has any clear cut advantage over the C5 setup. from what I can see its just $800 more....

No Im talking about the C5 Z06 brakes, you can get them setup for under 500 and I havent been gotten any brake fade. Im trying to compare pad size and rotor diameter to see if the baer setup has any clear cut advantage over the C5 setup. from what I can see its just $800 more....

The C5 Z06 brakes are almost but not quite as good as the Baer Track system I have. But like you said, they are a bit cheeper.

I thought the Baer "Track" setup was very close to the c5 zo6 brakes? I know they use the same pads and are the same PBR 2 piston caliper.

I thought the Baer "Track" setup was very close to the c5 zo6 brakes? I know they use the same pads and are the same PBR 2 piston caliper.

Thats the conclusion I came to when I was doing my research. If you have the same piston diameter and pad then your getting the same clamping force. the only difference I wanted to know what the rotors but I thought they are both 13"? Can anyone justify the cost difference?

Rotor diameter is not the only variable. Rotor thickness is important, as is the material used, the vane design, and whether it's slotted or drilled.

Rotor diameter is not the only variable. Rotor thickness is important, as is the material used, the vane design, and whether it's slotted or drilled.

Of course but keeping those variables constant there shouldnt be a difference. the vane design on the C5 setup is curved to pull air through and you can ge them cross drilled and slotted. what do the vanes look like on the Baer setup?

The baer track system is excatly the same has the c5 brake kit.Caliper are the same and they also use the 1 pieces discs.The only thing that i could find in my search was that the c5 disc is 12.8" and the baer is 13".

The baer track-plus sytem is also the same has the c5 brake kit.Caliper are the same.The main difference in this kit is the 2 pieces rotor that the baer kit has.

From my standpoint they are the same minus .2" of disc but the c5 parts are available everywhere and are also very cheap. ;)

The guy at Baer told me that the "Track" setup uses c5 brake pads and everything. I think I'm going with the UMI c5 zo6 kit.

Like I said before, the C5 Z06 brake setup is essentially the same as the Baer "Track" system. The Baer Track system comes with the Baer 13 rotors as well as steel braded brake lines. The calipers themselves are the same size, however after seeing both in person, and having used mine for years now and comparing it to others with the C5 Z06 brakes, the Baer Track system is a little better in quality. Both will potentially stop the same assuming you step up the rotor, and lines the same as the Baer system. I just feel that the Baer system is of higher quality. Is it worth spending the extra $? Most will say "no", but with everything else in my car, I wanted the best.

Of course but keeping those variables constant there shouldnt be a difference. the vane design on the C5 setup is curved to pull air through and you can ge them cross drilled and slotted. what do the vanes look like on the Baer setup?

Right, but why would you assume that the Baer kit has all of those characteristics the same as the C5 Z06?

Right, but why would you assume that the Baer kit has all of those characteristics the same as the C5 Z06?

Because they use the same/similar caliper "mouth" and anyone can get cross drilled and slotted rotors. theres only so much room between the pads, I dont think rotor thickness has as must to do with it as does the cooling capabilities. Ill take a thinner, less weight, better cooling rotor over a thicker one anyday.

Because they use the same/similar caliper "mouth" and anyone can get cross drilled and slotted rotors. theres only so much room between the pads, I dont think rotor thickness has as must to do with it as does the cooling capabilities. Ill take a thinner, less weight, better cooling rotor over a thicker one anyday.

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you here. It is all in the thickness of the rotor. X-drilled rotors (even though I have them) are basically just for show, they have nothing to do with actually cooling the rotor. Slotted helps a little, but its all in the mass or thickness of the rotor that has to do with the stopping power of them. If you don't believe me, try a search, and you will find more info backing it up. You might even find a thread at which I got into it with Greed4speed over this same issue. After much debate, and doing more and more research, I learned I was wrong back when debating this with Greed4speed (a hard thing to admit for a lot of us), and that it is all in the thickness of the rotors.

Look at NASCAR, and or Formula One rotors, they are plain rotors not X-drilled or slotted, they have massive air ducts to keep them cool, but they depend on the thickness of the rotors to stop.

Well I guess it comes down the material properties. if you can sufficently cool a thinner rotor then you should get better performance out of it since it will be lighter yet maintain its rigidity. but Ill admit thicker is better for our applications since brake cooling ducts dont come standard.

How thick are the Baer rotors? and how thick are the C5's. and even if the Baer rotors are 13" does the caliper mount make use of that extra .2"? or does it sit the pad in the same position on the rotor as the C5's? If it does then your carriing around extra weight that isnt doing anything.

An i agree 100% the cross drilled does nothing for you performance wise. but vane design and slots do help out quite a bit

Well I guess it comes down the material properties. if you can sufficently cool a thinner rotor then you should get better performance out of it since it will be lighter yet maintain its rigidity. but Ill admit thicker is better for our applications since brake cooling ducts dont come standard.

How thick are the Baer rotors? and how thick are the C5's. and even if the Baer rotors are 13" does the caliper mount make use of that extra .2"? or does it sit the pad in the same position on the rotor as the C5's? If it does then your carriing around extra weight that isnt doing anything.

An i agree 100% the cross drilled does nothing for you performance wise. but vane design and slots do help out quite a bit

Thats the whole point of having a thicker rotor. A thicker rotor will take much more heat before it becomes hot. A thinner rotor will get hot much easier and will thus be prone to warping that much easier as well. Without traveling at triple digit speeds with proper ducting to the rotors, there is no way a thinner rotor with directional veines, and ducting will out stop a thick rotor with non directional veines and no ducting. Even when traveling at higher speeds with proper cooling, I still highly doubt a thinner rotor will outstop a thicker one. Once rotors get hot on a hard braking situation, thats when they start to fade and you loose stopping power.

BTW, my Bear calipers do make full use of the rotors. I don't have pictures of the veines since they are on the car, but they are directional veines that help cool the rotor.

Another thing I reccomend when getting rotors (especially X-drilled ones like mine) is having them cryogenically frozen. My old X-drilled and slotted Baer 13 inch rotors after years of abuse started to form stress cracks in between the X-drilled sections. After talking to a Baer representative, he said Baers rotors have been re-designed recently to a much higher quality alloy which is much stronger than before. Then on top of that I had them cryogenically frozen at -300 for 24 hours.

Besides rotors, pads are a big part as well. I went all out this round and got Hawk HP Plus pads. They squeal all the time, as well as dust horribly, but they stop on a dime. Finally, changing to a higher boiling point brake fluid will help as well. Superblue is one of the better ones to go with here.

Thats why I menetioned keeping them cool, a thinner rotor will dissapate heat faster than a thicker one. since they use all of the rotor and use the same pads and caliper. I would say the baer is margionally better since its utlizing a "larger" rotor. I guess its all up to what you plan on doing with it. ive road raced mine with stock c5 rotors and had excelent results, autocross really doesnt count since you never really get the brakes hot enough to tell the difference. I plan running the Tail of the Dragon this month so we will see how it holds up to that punishment :)

Thats why I menetioned keeping them cool, a thinner rotor will dissapate heat faster than a thicker one. since they use all of the rotor and use the same pads and caliper. I would say the baer is margionally better since its utlizing a "larger" rotor. I guess its all up to what you plan on doing with it. ive road raced mine with stock c5 rotors and had excelent results, autocross really doesnt count since you never really get the brakes hot enough to tell the difference. I plan running the Tail of the Dragon this month so we will see how it holds up to that punishment :)

I guess the point I am trying to make here, is that a thicker rotor is all around better than a thinner one. Yes you are correct that a thinner rotor will cool faster, but a thicker rotor, wouldn't have gotten nearly as hot as the thinner one in the first place. And since they won't really cool very fast in either application, its better not to have gotten them hot in the first place with a thicker rotor.

Simply put;

Thicker rotor= more stopping power, longer rotor life, harder to get hot
Thinner rotor= less stopping power, less rotor life, gets hot quickly

Well when It comes to what we are talking about, how much difference are we talking about and will you actually see any difference either way? I NEVER warped a rotor from hard use. maybe I dont drive hard enough?

Well when It comes to what we are talking about, how much difference are we talking about and will you actually see any difference either way? I NEVER warped a rotor from hard use. maybe I dont drive hard enough?

Maybe I do too many high speed brakings :lol: I would go through countless sets of stock rotors before I upgraded to my Baer system. The C5 brakes are much better than the LT1 stock brakes. The C5 Z06 Brakes and the Baer Track system brakes are a noticable amount better than the C5 or LS1 brakes. Now, the difference between the C5 Z06 setup and the Baer Track system are almost identical. If you use the same rotors as the Baer track system as well as the brake lines, then I would venture to say they will stop exactly the same. Its just again, that the Baer system is a little higher quality that the C5 Z06 brakes. Is any of this worth the money? That is up to you and how much you use your brakes. I obviously use mine a lot, and when I need to stop, I need to stop reliably, and quickly. Most people would do just fine with upgrading just to LS1 brakes. If you don't drive hard enough, then honestly, its probably not worth the $.

As far as rotors go, it is on the same lines. If you don't really get on your brakes too much especially from high speeds, a thinner cheeper rotor, will probably be fine. However if you do occasionally get on the brakes hard from high speeds, eventually having thinner rotors will warp them and wear them out (not to mention not stop nearly as well as the thicker ones). Thats when you have to make the call at what you think is best for your braking needs in comparison to your bank account. :)

Damn dude and your an M6! going through brakes like that is nuts.

Damn dude and your an M6! going through brakes like that is nuts.

Lets just say I have spent a lot of $ when it comes to my car. I like putting all of that performance stuff to good use, thats when high speed braking comes in to play :cool: Without a good brake setup though, you are always putting yourself at risk if you can't stop quickly. Especially at the track or other high speed stopping situations.

I think we've beat this topic to death. Good luck with your selection for brakes man :)

I wish Baer made a kit that was between the Track kit and the Extreme. I love those 6 piston Alcons, but they are a little out of my budget right now.

Anyone tried using these? http://www.ssbrakes.com/products/detail/595/?make=Chevrolet&model=Camaro&year=1996

that looks like a nice setup. the caliper and pad look better than the C5-z06's but its 3-4times as much.