2008 EPA ratings make Aveo look like a pig

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23173

23/31 for an automatic. I wonder how this will impact sales. I don't think people are willing to sacrifice size for a small gain compared to a 4cyl. Malibu which is rated at 21/31 (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23251). Two extra MPG city isn't enough to make me drive an Aveo over a much more comfortable and spacious mid-size car.


also here is the 2008 ratings for the Prius, they dropped a lot, yet seem very realistic based on the Prius I had for a rental http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectEngine.jsp?year=2007&make=Toyota&model=Prius

The old ratings were NOT impressive either... it really didn't change much...

The new ratings don't do anybody any favors. Interesting to look back to rate my '98 Z, I've documented better gas milage than the new system rates that car.

The new systems says 16/25 (compared to 18/28), but I recorded 27.5+ once on a trip between Chicago and Clevelend, and that was doing 80 mph in Indiana and 68 or so in Western Ohio. I'd buy the 16 city rating more than the 18 tho.

I never understood how they could release an econo-box that under performs like the Aveo. Especially in comparison to the rest of their lineup.

We all knew there were far better alternatives for fuel-sipping economy cars than Aveo. The new ratings just further prove that. I'm not sure how many times I've asked why GM can't build a 4-cylinder that gets an honest 40+ mpg highway but I'll ask one more time. I know they have the engineering to do it. Look at what the small block is capable of, fuel-wise.

The new ratings do seem a bit harsh on the LS1. Shoot, I got 29 MPG on a trip from STL to Detroit at 80 mph this spring, with the A/C on for part of the trip.

You can take those fuel mileage ratings and use them as cat-box liner.

I have heard of many people getting 40+ MPG from their Aveo 5-speeds.

My Cobalt SS S/C was rated at 29 MPG on the sticker. Know what I have got in the past on more than a couple occations? 42 MPG. No B.S. Granted, most of the time I'm at 34-36 MPG with my higher speeds and "spirited" driving, but when I wanted it, I can.

My '02 WS6, took it on a road trip when I first got it in the summer of 2002. Not even 1000 miles on it, nowhere near broken in. 27 MPG going 70-80 MPH on the highways.

Buick LeSabres & Park Aves. Rated at 28-29 MPG. Routine to get 30+, many times in the 35 MPG range. I'm not alone.

Full size Silverados and Sierras. Extended cab 4x4's with 5.3's, many people have got 20+ on the 2003-2007 classic style. And this is without AFM.

Rule of thumb, if you want mileage, you can get it if you want it, you just have to drive like you want it.

Just looked up the GTO. The city rating is seems to be correct if you are literally stuck in traffic for a while. The highway mileage is way off though. 23mpg for a 6-speed? No way. On my trip to NY cruising at ~80 mph I was getting a hair over 26 mpg.

Yeah I don’t know if I buy these new rating after looking up my 2000 GTP. :no:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=15950

I get consistently 17 mpg city (with my sometimes heavy foot) and always 28 mpg (sometimes 29 mpg) on strictly hwy trips.

It’s not even me crunching the numbers; my onboard computer info screen tells me this on a constantly updated basis.

Just looked up the GTO. The city rating is seems to be correct if you are literally stuck in traffic for a while. The highway mileage is way off though. 23mpg for a 6-speed? No way. On my trip to NY cruising at ~80 mph I was getting a hair over 26 mpg.
26mpg HW for the 6 speed GTO here, as well :cool:

I'm averaging 20 right now, city+some country

The new city ratings are probably more accurate but the highway were more accurate with the old system. Every GM car I've owned I've been able to get the old EPA #'s at 74mph with the cruise set.

Of course that is also driving by myself. Driving with 4 people in the Camaro took a big hit on hwy mileage. The new testing also seems to fix the hybrid numbers. They are correct now.

Lets not forget these new #'s are avg. mileage under various conditions. They are not peak #'s

Full size Silverados and Sierras. Extended cab 4x4's with 5.3's, many people have got 20+ on the 2003-2007 classic style. And this is without AFM.


I'd disagree with the 4x4's, but the 2wd people seem to get that often. Best I've ever gotten with mine (60mph for an entire tank going through PA) was 19.2. Most of the time I get around 18 highway going 70-75 :D

There's A LOT of responses on here to get a good average. This is *average* mpg, not hwy :D

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51222

Lets not forget these new #'s are avg. mileage under various conditions. They are not peak #'s

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I have little doubt that the new ratings are much more in line with what is actually seen in the 'real world'.

Now....when the new CAFE standards go into effect.......oh boy (no, not passed yet, but it is inevitable....only a matter of when, not if).

I consistently get the OLD numbers in my '06 Cobalt daily driver. I could NEVER get the old numbers in my wife's 05 Vibe automatic. The NEW numbers are much closer to what that car did for us in the real world.

I wonder how the 2008 Malibu with 4 cylinder and 6 speed auto will do? More displacement but more gears. Has that been listed anywhere yet?

Man, I really want a turbo diesel Astra. Please, GM?

The new ratings don't do anybody any favors. Interesting to look back to rate my '98 Z, I've documented better gas milage than the new system rates that car.


I average better in my Cobalt SS too ....than the new ratings . They say 20/27 now , I average 27-28 with a good mix of city and highway driving . Last trip I made , I documented 33 mpg of all highway cruise at 70/80mph .

I average better in my Cobalt SS too ....than the new ratings . They say 20/27 now , I average 27-28 with a good mix of city and highway driving . Last trip I made , I documented 33 mpg of all highway cruise at 70/80mph .

Yeah, my average is 27.8 mixed driving. I once got 37 on really flat grond crusing at 60 mph.

Lets not forget these new #'s are avg. mileage under various conditions. They are not peak #'s

Lets also not forget that this still doesn't change what the cars got to begin with. Just like the new SAE HP numbers, just because it made more power under the new system didn't mean that power magically appeared. The cars will still get the same numbers under the new system as they did on the old ones. Just because the sticker on the door changed does not mean that the real life numbers changed.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23173

23/31 for an automatic. I wonder how this will impact sales. I don't think people are willing to sacrifice size for a small gain compared to a 4cyl. Malibu which is rated at 21/31 (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23251). Two extra MPG city isn't enough to make me drive an Aveo over a much more comfortable and spacious mid-size car.


also here is the 2008 ratings for the Prius, they dropped a lot, yet seem very realistic based on the Prius I had for a rental http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectEngine.jsp?year=2007&make=Toyota&model=Prius
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Why do i want to drive a dinky little car when i can have a mid size car and only lose 1 or 2 mpg.

The new ratings are far more accurate in regards to average economy. You can always hit numbers above or below ratings depending on the conditions in question, but that's why they're called an average. The most important thing to know is that they're a consistent platform for comparison. If you see one car rated at 20/30 and one rated at 25/35, well - you may damn well be able to get that 20/30 car to actually DO 25/35, but then you probably could have gotten that 25/35 car to do 31/41 given the same conditions.:)

I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Why do i want to drive a dinky little car when i can have a mid size car and only lose 1 or 2 mpg.

Makes me wonder have an Aveo would do with the 2.2L Ecotec

Lets not pick on my Aveo. I like the little guy.

Btw, I try to maintain 85+ on my 100 mile drive to work at 3am... And I get 31mpg in my auto. Swear.

Edit/add: I made the 100 miles in an hour and 12 minutes this morning. Ill still get over 30mpg this tank...

I think a lot of the point is being missed here. Regardless of what "real world" mileage is for Aveo, people are going to look at that EPA sticker in the window or on the internet and be thoroughly unimpressed, to the point they'll go to a Toyohondissan dealer and buy one of those products. And then they'll further the public perception that the Domestics can't compete in fuel mileage.

It's amazing to me that GM may still not realize that marketing and perception is the name of the game these days. That's what makes the Volt such an important product, and why it should be priority number 1 in R&D right now.

I think a lot of the point is being missed here. Regardless of what "real world" mileage is for Aveo, people are going to look at that EPA sticker in the window or on the internet and be thoroughly unimpressed, to the point they'll go to a Toyohondissan dealer and buy one of those products. And then they'll further the public perception that the Domestics can't compete in fuel mileage.

It's amazing to me that GM may still not realize that marketing and perception is the name of the game these days. That's what makes the Volt such an important product, and why it should be priority number 1 in R&D right now.

You are 100% correct. That was kind of my point too. It doesn't matter if an Aveo owner can get 40mpg out of his car, your avg. dumb consumer is going to look at that window sticker, see 23/31, complain about how inefficient American cars are and then head over to a Japanese brand.

why would anyone buy an aveo? what benefits does it have over its competition? serious question here, because we just went looking for vehicles in that segment and were unimpressed.

it offers a stripper model without A/C for super cheap but thats about it, and how many of those are actually sold?

why would anyone buy an aveo? what benefits does it have over its competition? serious question here, because we just went looking for vehicles in that segment and were unimpressed.

Price!

Many reviews I've read actually pick the Aveo over the Toyota Yaris. Aveo is a great car if you need to drive 50 miles each way to work.

Give it a 50mpg Diesel for say less than $1000 extra and it will be a great car for the masses.

Price!
It gets sub-par gas mileage which will quickly make up for the difference in price between it and the much more pleasant to drive competition.

Many reviews I've read actually pick the Aveo over the Toyota Yaris. Aveo is a great car if you need to drive 50 miles each way to work
Which reviews were those? Most of the reviews I've seen (which is to say I think 2 or 3) had the Aveo in last place, Yaris in the middle, Fit at the top.

What I can't figure out is why somebody would buy the Fit when an appropriately configured civic gets better rated mileage and barely costs any more!

Price!

Many reviews I've read actually pick the Aveo over the Toyota Yaris. Aveo is a great car if you need to drive 50 miles each way to work.

Give it a 50mpg Diesel for say less than $1000 extra and it will be a great car for the masses.
links to reviews?

links to reviews?

I'll try to find a couple later, but just off the top of my head I know SmartMoney picked the Aveo over the Yaris

Is the Aveo going to get a new engine anytime soon? Does the current one even have variable valve timing?

I'll try to find a couple later, but just off the top of my head I know SmartMoney picked the Aveo over the Yaris

Honestly I'd probably value SmartMoney's rankings of sub compact cars about as much as I'd value Edmund's rankings of small cap investments.:p

But for what it's worth I could only find one article on their website that mentioned the Yaris and Aveo and it never ranked them or said one was better than the other - just gave kinda of a run down.

A loaded Aveo is actually a better buy over about a 12 year period compared to a loaded Prius. I get this from the fact that a loaded Prius is approximately $27,000 where as a loaded Aveo is approximately $17,000, a difference of $10,000. If you go 15,000 miles in each vehicle at their respective new combined mpg, the Prius would cost about $1043 for gas at $3.20 per gallon where as the Aveo would cost about $1846 for gas at that same price. Thats a difference of $843. For the base models, a Prius at around $22,000 and an Aveo at around $13,000, it would take about 10 and a half years for the costs to equal out. Now obviously the Prius has more amenities and is a midsize car compared to a compact car but on a strictly fuel efficiency basis, the Aveo seems like a better buy.

aveo vs prius?

why not aveo vs yaris or fit?

Now obviously the Prius has more amenities and is a midsize car compared to a compact car but on a strictly fuel efficiency basis, the Aveo seems like a better buy.

I bought a '95 Caprice 9C1 last year for $950, and it gets about 22 MPG on the highway. We can run the math on that and show how it makes much more sense than either vehicle in your comparison, but I doubt that we'll see a big run on retired cop cars by prospective Aveo and Prius buyers.

I used the Prius because it is the be all and end all of everything fuel efficient. If GM wanted to make an Aveo as fuel efficient as the Prius, then it would cost the same price as the Prius where as the current Aveo would cost the same price as a Prius after 10 or so years. Thats all I was getting at.

I used the Prius because it is the be all and end all of everything fuel efficient. If GM wanted to make an Aveo as fuel efficient as the Prius, then it would cost the same price as the Prius where as the current Aveo would cost the same price as a Prius after 10 or so years. Thats all I was getting at.
but shouldn't it be as good as or even better than its direct competition in relation to the fuel efficiency? you know, like the fit, yaris, or accent?

The new rating on my LT1 are dead on to what I got with it, on the Blazer older rating is a little closer on the combined.