You're kidding, starter comes out how?

So I'm taking out my starter to get it tested because I'm having problems with it. I unbolt it, disconnect the wires, and the y-pipe is in the way. Is there ANYWAY to get the starter out without taking the y-pipe off?

Please god tell me there is...

Sure...unbolt the manifolds/headers, and yank the engine.

:D

Sure...unbolt the manifolds/headers, and yank the engine.

:D

I'm trying to get this thing running by monday to get it smogged and tagged. It keeps coming up with new ways to piss me off. :mad:

I'm ready to drive it into the ocean.

What car? moste of mine have come out nose first ythrough bottom is a project tho, just keep wiggling it

I'm guessing it's a 3.4? I think your only real choice is to drop the Y. I know that's how mine comes out.

97 LT1, sorry.:)

My 95 LT1 came out without dropping the Y-pipe. The only thing I had to remove was the dust cover for the torque converter. It took a bit of wiggling and finessing to get it.

Like said above, unbolt the converter shield and it will come out

I have a 6spd, it's a little different.

I finally got it out, cleaned it up because it was nasty, then took it to Autozone. Guess what, it passed. I watched it passed, three times. I get it home, put it back in thinking maybe some dirt got in the way...still doesn't work. :mad:

Same ****ing thing happens. :bs:

I cleaned all of the connections, there's no other wires down there. I don't know what's wrong with this retarded car. :rolleyes:

97 LT1 with a 6 speed? You just described my drivetrain exactly. I didn't have to move anything out of the way to get my starter out. I disconnected the battery cable and pulled the two wires of the solenoid. To get to those, I used a socket with a mega extension and got it through the K-member past the engine mount. Then I just undid the two long ass bolts holding it to the block and out she came.

97 LT1 with a 6 speed? You just described my drivetrain exactly. I didn't have to move anything out of the way to get my starter out. I disconnected the battery cable and pulled the two wires of the solenoid. To get to those, I used a socket with a mega extension and got it through the K-member past the engine mount. Then I just undid the two long ass bolts holding it to the block and out she came.

I'm way past that dude, read what I wrote again. :p

do u get power to the selonoid when ket turned?


Don

I'm way past that dude, read what I wrote again. :p

Yeah, I know. But in the future, if anybody searches how to remove their starter they'll have an answer. :)

Do you guys think it could have anything to do with anti-theft? My radio has been locked for awhile, maybe that would do it? Or maybe the resistor in the key?

Do you hear anything when you turn the key? Is there any clicks or anything like that?

I bet your battery went bad, eventhough your battery may read 12.6 volts or w/e it is, your cranking amps might be going down too low to get the starter moving. But you would probly still be able to hear a clicking sound.

Yea you can hear clicking, and it clicks somewhere around the passenger air bag too.

I had the car jumped, the battery shouldn't be the problem because the same thing happened.

did it just click once? or it clicks a bunch of times?

I'd have the battery tested, if only to eliminate it as the culprit.

It clicks once when you "start" and once when you let off the key.

If I jumped my car with two other cars, at different times, would you still think it's the battery?

Yes, it is a possiblility the battery is bad.

Yes, it is a possiblility the battery is bad.

How do I test a battery? Can I do it at home or do I have to take it somewhere?

They test batteries for free at Advance, Auto Zone, any store of that sort.

If the battery is dead enough jumping it won't be enough. Test it to rule it out. Usually when it won't start and just clicks I test the battery, then move to the relay under the pssngr kick panel and then to the starter.

If the battery is dead enough jumping it won't be enough. Test it to rule it out. Usually when it won't start and just clicks I test the battery, then move to the relay under the pssngr kick panel and then to the starter.

It doesn't just click though, the motor spins full speed. I'll take the battery to Autozone then, thanks guys.

If the motor turns over just like normal... then its neither the starter or battery, and its an ignition problem. No spark, no fuel, something along those lines.

:D push you clutch in??

:D push you clutch in??

Hahaha... I cant help but laugh at this.

:D push you clutch in??


OH YEA!!!!! :bang:

Dude, i'm serious when you panic, and flip out sometimes you forget you're driving a stick and forget the clutch. For example. Just a thought

Yea you can hear clicking, and it clicks somewhere around the passenger air bag too.

I had the car jumped, the battery shouldn't be the problem because the same thing happened.

I had this happen when my BCM was on it's way out..
The BCm is located behind\above the jockeybox.
Replacing the BCM cured my problem of click, click, click,mixed with no fuel\no crank\then running fine.
Tal

OH YEA!!!!! :bang:

Dude, i'm serious when you panic, and flip out sometimes you forget you're driving a stick and forget the clutch. For example. Just a thought

Somehow, I think he's being sarcastic.

ya i know, just having fun. thats whats this is all about. I've seen ppl work on their car b4 get in to attempt to start it and it won't start. I get in hit the clutch and it fires right up.

Ok, I'm going to restate my problem, I don't think you guys get what's going on. :)


The battery is fine, I got it tested, the starter is fine, I got it tested. When I turn the key forward to start, the starter motor spins full speed, it just doesn't pop out to meet the flywheel. It did, however, pop out when they tested it at Autozone, I watched it.

Now, could it be a problem with the resistor in my key? Maybe something else to do with the theft prevention? Any cool ideas that make sense?

No fuel/no spark doesn't work here, we don't even get that far into the starting process.

what condition are you wire's from your battery to the starter in right now?

I bet theres corrosion on or IN the ****ty side post terminal ends. Same thing happened to me. Cleaned up the terminal ends and all ok. There was to much resistance in the terminal ends to actually get any amps to the starter.

if it were anti-theft, I'm almost certain that you wouldn't have your starter spinning. You 're on the right track with the solenoid though. You said that it sounds like the starter is spinning freely with no resistance, and the engine doesn't turn over at all. So for some reason the solenoid that engages the starter gear with the flywheel is not functioning when installed in the car. You know the solenoid is good, because you had it tested. So the solenoid is not getting power, or not sufficient power to actuate. Check your terminal connection at the solenoid and follow the cable all the way back looking for any corrosion or damage. I don't know the electrical setup for the solenoid wire, but that's definitely where you need to look. If you don't find obvious damage in the wires, check any fuses and relays associted with it.

check the ground cable at the engine and check the batt. terminals like suggested

When I turn the key forward to start, the starter motor spins full speed, it just doesn't pop out to meet the flywheel.Do you hear any grinding at all, like the starter gear is trying to engage the flywheel, but doesn't quite get there? If so, that might just be a shim issue. You should be able to get a paper clip between the engaged teeth of the starter and flywheel- no more, no less.

Outside of that, starter could still be bad. There's a pull-in coil in there to kick the gear out when you hit it with power, and there's also a clutch that allows the gear to freewheel if you hold it too long after engine is running. These may bench test OK, perhaps because the voltage sag under load on the test bench is less than in the car. Either way, probably get yourself a new starter.

Ok, I'm going to restate my problem, I don't think you guys get what's going on. :)


The battery is fine, I got it tested, the starter is fine, I got it tested. When I turn the key forward to start, the starter motor spins full speed, it just doesn't pop out to meet the flywheel. It did, however, pop out when they tested it at Autozone, I watched it.

Now, could it be a problem with the resistor in my key? Maybe something else to do with the theft prevention? Any cool ideas that make sense?

No fuel/no spark doesn't work here, we don't even get that far into the starting process.


If the solenoid is NOT kicking the starter forward on the car, it's got a bad starter solenoid. Remember that when they test it at AutoStoned, it has no heat or load. I suppose it's possible it's not aligned with the flywheel/flexplate gear, but I've never seen that as a problem on a late Fbody.

You may be able to clean the starter, but I'd get a replacement starter from Autozone, install it and see if it solves the problem. If not, take it back out and return it. Just keep it kinda clean.

i would say to go check terminals, ground cables and the like.if possible to try a different battery (maybe pull out of a differnt car) just throw it in there to check. its not the resistor, if it was the car wouldn't be able to start anything. if the above doens't work just try another starter.