Claim of Leaked Camaro Pricing

Link to said information. I am doubtful.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83783

The member is from Oshwa and works at a GM truck plant.

You can be more than doubtful.

You can toss it into the circular file.

Pisses me off that people dishearten potential buyers. But if they were that gullable and wouldn't be willing to give some things up, I guess they didn't have "the faith".

Didn't Lutz or someone else at GM say the V6 would be coming in at $20,000? With the base V8 version a few thousand higher?

I get very upset when someone posts false information.

You can be ASSURED that pricing has not been set. That is one of the final things done just prior to vehicles being released for sale.

I don't mean to speak ill of a fellow GM employee -- but there's no way he'd know this information.

We know that the Camaro has to be affordable.

What a jackass, this guy is obviously talking out his ass.

What a jackass, this guy is obviously talking out his ass.

well.....I don't know the guy (or could be a gal...) -- so I wouldn't say he's a jackass just yet. I think the problem is that everyone at GM is so enthusiastic about the car that they make some bad decisions sometimes. (like posting something on a website that is either wrong or is confidential) (in this case, it was wrong)

I've asked him to retract the claim.

guys, did you ever think he was giving the price in canadian dollars? He is form Oshawa. My 2002 SS started at $35,000 cdn when i got it.

just a thought.

Scott, you let him off too easy.:p

I see he's retracted his statement :D

Lutz has been quoted many times as saying that GM KNOW's the car needs to be priced similarly to the mustang to be competitive.

That means a base V-6 for around 20K and a base V-8 around 26K.

Now if the camaro's base V-8 has considerably more balls than the 300 or so horse 4.6L Mustangs, and the fact that they'll have SIX speed auto's and manuals.... I'd be willing to pay 28-30K for a moderately optioned "base V-8" Camaro.

guys, did you ever think he was giving the price in canadian dollars? He is form Oshawa. My 2002 SS started at $35,000 cdn when i got it.

just a thought.


Good point-- but he could be giving it in Sheckels, Duck Feathers, Horse shoes, or gold bullion - the point is that ANY price he's given is wrong....cuz we ain't there yet!

well.....I don't know the guy (or could be a gal...) -- so I wouldn't say he's a jackass just yet.
Obviously you posted that before you saw his reply to your post. ;)

I'm not sure if he intended it or not, but the guy is coming off like a jerk that thinks he knows it all and suggesting that he was the first to say the Camaro was returning. (Perhaps on that website.)

Heck, just last week my brother-in-law says, "hey, did you hear the Camaro is coming back?" He knows I am a car enthusiast, especially about the Camaro, which I currently own three. Why on earth would I not know this. I could only reply, "Yes, and I'm already planning on buying one." Last week a co-worker who is also a car enthusiast asked why I hadn't bought one yet. When I told him it wasn't coming out until 2009, he was shocked.

It seems there a lot of people out there excited about the Camaro's return. Many have never ventured on this website or knows of its existance. I've found one of the best responses to those that are enthusiastic, yet don't have their facts straight is to tell them that their info isn't entirely accurate and point them here for the latest facts and information.

Yeah, that guy suddenly is not coming off very well. It's funny how everybody can claim to be a big somebody on the net. :rolleyes:

I tried searching on that forum to see his original "predictions" but alas, can't go back that far.

I still think MY GUESS (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=490016) will still be pretty close!:D

^

I could definately handle this:

Super Sport Camaro (SS)
MSRP* $ 28,145.00 (base price) to $ 38,485.00 (fully optioned)

• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability w/ IRS
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 420 hp 6.2L 6200 V8 LS3 with DOD
• Duel exhaust
• Tires: front and rear, P245/40ZR-18,
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• OnStar
• XM Satellite Radio
• Fog lamps
• SS grille
• SS hood with scoop
• SS front and rear fascia
• SS Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted

Optional SS:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power seating and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $875
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600

Total for me: 29,620. For ALL of that! Where do I sign? :D Just make it Sunburst Orange Metallic with White Stripes (like ON the convertable).

Depending how it performed on a test drive, I'd consider the 2K suspension package. I'd have to REALLY notice a difference though.

I understand that those are purely speculative, but that's the car I want, and the price I'd pay :D

Now, because he deleted his original posts, he can say whatever he wants about what he "actually said". :rolleyes:.

LOL, I liked the guy who asked "Who is Scott Settlemire anyways ???
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Wow....faithful folk sure do get touchy. One must wonder if the original post hit too close to home?

LOL, I liked the guy who asked "Who is Scott Settlemire anyways ???
"
Perhaps that guy needs to be shown the URL for google. :D
Wow....faithful folk sure do get touchy. One must wonder if the original post hit too close to home?
He probably wasn't too far off. However, as pricing has not been set, anything is a speculation at this point, which is basically what Scott was trying to say.

The bottom line is, it won't be too far off whatever a similarly equipped Mustang costs at the time. At least that is the price point GM needs to hit.

Problem is everyone was taking him seriously when he couldn't have possibly known. Spreading misinformation can be damaging to the Camaro's future. I want every extra person to buy a Camaro that wants it, maybe I just love the Camaro more than some and want it to last.

Bob, would you not be worried and angered if I made a thread stating that the new Camaro was only getting 260HP according to a leak from a GM insider and everyone believed me? Or worse, making people believe that the Firebird was coming back afterall, giving them false hope as they waited and waited for it to come after the camaro launch because they beleived me.

Wow....faithful folk sure do get touchy. One must wonder if the original post hit too close to home?

Would it be any different if some self-professed know it all on a Mustang board said the next Mustang will start at a rediculously high price?

He said the V6 would start at $25,000. How is that even close to competitive with Mustang? Misinformation can lead people to do things that are disadvantageous to the Camaro brand....like, "That much? Screw it, I'm going to buy an (x) right now instead of waiting."

I'm certain Fbod is correct in saying NO ONE knows what the exact price is yet. To get to that point, all the costs involved in acutal R&D, prototypes (Scott, isn't the silver prototype worth about a million?), costs in getting production ramped up, and final cost of assembling each car from bare unit body and every nut and bolt would have to be calculated. Then the finance department would have to weigh in on how much profit they want to get from each unit they sell.

I'm sure Scott knows more about this than I do, but I'd bet GM isn't even CLOSE to calculating that stuff. They've yet to get a fully operational pre-production Camaro running.

Heck, I don't think GM has even finalized sticker prices on the G8 yet, have they?

Would it be any different if some self-professed know it all on a Mustang board said the next Mustang will start at a rediculously high price?
Nope - it would be exactly the same (other than whatever differences in perceptions might be caused by a 7 year.....hiatus.....in production).

And what does a hypothetical post on a Mustang Forum have to do with it anyway?

He said the V6 would start at $25,000. How is that even close to competitive with Mustang? Misinformation can lead people to do things that are disadvantageous to the Camaro brand....like, "That much? Screw it, I'm going to buy an (x) right now instead of waiting."

I suppose there are some folks that might say that, but I seriously doubt - no, very seriously doubt - that even had that thread gone on with the original post NOT being edited at the request of Scott, that it would have changed anyones mind one way or the other. I could be wrong, of course, but that's my opinion/perception.

I'm certain Fbod is correct in saying NO ONE knows what the exact price is yet. To get to that point, all the costs involved in acutal R&D, prototypes (Scott, isn't the silver prototype worth about a million?), costs in getting production ramped up, and final cost of assembling each car from bare unit body and every nut and bolt would have to be calculated. Then the finance department would have to weigh in on how much profit they want to get from each unit they sell.

Concur - seems quite reasonable to me (a self-professed non-insider, and not even sort of related to any sort of expert). Note that part that I emphasized. I'm quite sure you're right about the exact price.

I'm sure Scott knows more about this than I do, but I'd bet GM isn't even CLOSE to calculating that stuff. They've yet to get a fully operational pre-production Camaro running.
This I disagree with. In 2007 dollars, I would wager that they have a very good idea what it will cost. Scott even alluded to it (see Mustang).

Heck, I don't think GM has even finalized sticker prices on the G8 yet, have they?
No idea - but whether or not they have finalized it or not, they surely know within a few hundred dollars what they must use for an MSRP in order to make a profit, as outlined in whatever business plan they have for this car. And for the Camaro.

Bob

Good point-- but he could be giving it in Sheckels, Duck Feathers, Horse shoes, or gold bullion - the point is that ANY price he's given is wrong....cuz we ain't there yet!

Do you know when you will be there Scott :D

Nope - it would be exactly the same (other than whatever differences in perceptions might be caused by a 7 year.....hiatus.....in production).

And what does a hypothetical post on a Mustang Forum have to do with it anyway?

Thanks Bob, that was my point. :) It would be the same.....you would see Mustang guys jump all over that guy and his unfounded claims. It's annoying at best to read disinformation (or posts from people who profess to know it all and have people believing stuff that obviously isn't based on fact). Doesn't matter if it's a Camaro or a Mustang or whatever. A guy who starts rumors is going to be called out, more than likely.

I especially liked this line in his little rant:

So listen to the people, they wanted a Camaro years ago, and i know some hidden reasons why it dident come out sooner but i will not say anything more about it.

Oooo, you mean you read the same 2005 Hot Rod article that Guy wrote about the St. Therese plant? I'm duly impressed. :lol:

Exactly how much will Camaro cost? Dunno. No one does yet. But you have to be a real clown to think Chevrolet isn't going to price the thing somewhere in the vicinity of a comparable Mustang. Its direct competition. Who am I supposed to listen to? The guys that sit in on the product meetings or a line worker?

You seem to have a real problem with people who believe that what Scott tells them isn't BS. I don't really get it.

Wow....faithful folk sure do get touchy. One must wonder if the original post hit too close to home?

no -- it didn't hit close to home.

I did not ask him to delete his post -- I asked him (in a PM) to please go back and post that the rumor is wrong. He chose otherwise with the original post -- and then decided to editorialize ..........and frankly I'll eventually get over there and see what else has been said (I can only imagine.....)

Here's the problem: he's a GM employee. While I'm sure he has the best intentions, you saw within 4 or 5 posts that people were upset with the "supposed" price.

Interesting in that I had dinner this evening with Jason Debler and Chris Frezza -- and Jason was talking about how misinformation can get out of control......to the point where people get an impression and it never seems to change. For instance: people see the concept -- and for whatever reason seem to think it's actually in production.

The point of all of this is that when I see something that's wrong -- and it's causing controversy, I do believe I should speak up.

Does anyone have a problem with that?

no -- it didn't hit close to home.
Ok, but that was (and likely will continue to be) my perception.

I've been wrong before. You and a select few are the only ones that know for sure if I'm wrong now.

I did not ask him to delete his post -- I asked him (in a PM) to please go back and post that the rumor is wrong. He chose otherwise with the original post -- and then decided to editorialize ..........and frankly I'll eventually get over there and see what else has been said (I can only imagine.....)

My reference was to his reply to you, in which he said "At the Request of Mr. Settlemire, i will cease to mention all future Camaro 'things'." Hence my comment, as I obviously haven't seen the PM exchange.

Here's the problem: he's a GM employee. While I'm sure he has the best intentions, you saw within 4 or 5 posts that people were upset with the "supposed" price.
Being a GM employee, one would assume he should know better. But ya, I can see where people are upset - similar to how people get upset when talk of weight is bantered around. To some, it makes little difference....to others, its a different story.

Interesting in that I had dinner this evening with Jason Debler and Chris Frezza -- and Jason was talking about how misinformation can get out of control......to the point where people get an impression and it never seems to change. For instance: people see the concept -- and for whatever reason seem to think it's actually in production.
For better or for worse, that's the internet. Personally, I still think there is a lot of over-reaction.

The point of all of this is that when I see something that's wrong -- and it's causing controversy, I do believe I should speak up.

Does anyone have a problem with that?

I don't. Then again, when I see suspect that there might be more to the story than is being told, I speak up.

If JasonD has a problem with that, then so do I. Otherwise, I'll speak up again. :)

Have a good evening.
Bob

That forum is an important one to me for my resto project and to talk with like minded 2nd gen lovers. I may be scrutinized by some at nastyz28 for brining this to your attention, but I am glad I did. I don't care how many people think I'm crazy or obsessed, this is something that is important to me and I don't expect everyone to understand that. So if there's anything I can do, I try to do it. Simply put, I want to be able to buy my son or daughter a new Camaro in 18 years.

Scott - Next time, I'll contact you directly so that you'll know sooner.

no -- it didn't hit close to home.

I did not ask him to delete his post -- I asked him (in a PM) to please go back and post that the rumor is wrong. He chose otherwise with the original post -- and then decided to editorialize ..........and frankly I'll eventually get over there and see what else has been said (I can only imagine.....)

Here's the problem: he's a GM employee. While I'm sure he has the best intentions, you saw within 4 or 5 posts that people were upset with the "supposed" price.

Interesting in that I had dinner this evening with Jason Debler and Chris Frezza -- and Jason was talking about how misinformation can get out of control......to the point where people get an impression and it never seems to change. For instance: people see the concept -- and for whatever reason seem to think it's actually in production.

The point of all of this is that when I see something that's wrong -- and it's causing controversy, I do believe I should speak up.

Does anyone have a problem with that?


Scott, doesn't GM have strict policies reguarding employees discussing company operations outside of the company? I know my company WILL fire you if you are caught discussing sensitive information with any outsiders, even your parents or kids. Not sure how you feel, but if I were a felllow employee of this person, even though his "information" is incorrect, I would at the very least want him repremanded.

Fbodfather, you have PM.

I heard they're giving away new Camaros for free.

I get very upset when someone posts false information.

You can be ASSURED that pricing has not been set. That is one of the final things done just prior to vehicles being released for sale.

I don't mean to speak ill of a fellow GM employee -- but there's no way he'd know this information.

We know that the Camaro has to be affordable.


A breath of fresh air and some common sesne:metal:

I already pre-ordered mine through Jason Debler. Paid through Paypal. Don't have to worry about ordering one through a dealership now and paying the dealer mark up. :p

I already pre-ordered mine through Jason Debler. Paid through Paypal. Don't have to worry about ordering one through a dealership now and paying the dealer mark up. :p

Hahahah! That's funny, I like that. :lol:

Wait, so Jason has people on the inside that will let him go ahead a put in pre-orders?!?!?! That must mean he knows how much they will cost and what engine options they will have. Which is gonna be the top dog again Jason?? LOL, let the rumors fly:D

Good post over at nastyz28, Guy. I still don't understand why people just believed him without question just because he was a GM employee, but that's why I red flagged it.

Here at camaroz28 we only have the best people for information :P. I just hope the transam rumor stops soon.

Sometimes when I go to other forums, people are so out of the loop, it's crazy. They believe everything they hear and only read headlines and take them at face value.

I am planning on paying whatever the MSRP price is, for a new Camaro. I just wonder how long it will take before dealers stop additional mark ups?

It's their right to ask for whatever they can get I just don't want to pay it. ;)

I didn't know FBodfather was Scott Settlemire either, but I just visit here every now and then. Now I am additionally sorry I missed him in Denver.

missinformation is always out there Scott. Those of us know the truth try to keep it straight.

as for pricing of the camaro, I can see (not saying it will be) the high model camaro at about 35k.

of course by the time I am ready to buy a new camaro I am hoping to have Employee discounts lol but I need to get my degree for that.





ONE DAY scott I will work for GM

Speaking of discounts, I have been using a GM credit card just so I can redeem the points on a new Camaro! Heaven knows when those will actually apply to a popular new model.

Scott, doesn't GM have strict policies reguarding employees discussing company operations outside of the company? I know my company WILL fire you if you are caught discussing sensitive information with any outsiders, even your parents or kids. Not sure how you feel, but if I were a felllow employee of this person, even though his "information" is incorrect, I would at the very least want him repremanded.

Extremely doubtful.

If he was part of some project and he signed a nondisclosure agreement, he would easily be repremanded. On the other hand, if he's simply making up numbers or posting groundless gossip, there probally isn't anything to be done... and you probally wouldn't want to change that. What if someone speaks up against something that is truly wrong with their work enviroment? :think:

Good post over at nastyz28, Guy. I still don't understand why people just believed him without question just because he was a GM employee, but that's why I red flagged it.

Thanks. I read that, and I couldn't let that go unchallenged. :)

Extremely doubtful.

If he was part of some project and he signed a nondisclosure agreement, he would easily be repremanded. On the other hand, if he's simply making up numbers or posting groundless gossip, there probally isn't anything to be done... and you probally wouldn't want to change that. What if someone speaks up against something that is truly wrong with their work enviroment? :think:



Thanks. I read that, and I couldn't let that go unchallenged. :)

Guy did you read Iroczlovers responce lol.