Win some cash!

Ok, not alot of cash, but I'll paypal someone $10 for the closest guess on Roadie's dyno results for this Friday. He is going to push the setup until it stops making power. I think the IC setup will end up being a restriction, but we'll see. I'll start by guessing 685rwhp ... Here is his combo:

8.65:1 355 shortblock (Eagle 4340 crank & H-beams, SRP pistons)
stage 3 Trickflow heads
220/230 on a 114 LSA
T-76 Q-trim
ceramic coated RealQuick hot parts (thanks dude!)
ATI twin high-flow intercoolers
TiAL 50mm BOV
38mm wastegate
FAST
White Racing PCB
Delteq, MSD DIS-4, NGK 4554 plugs
custom dual in-tank Walbros, custom rails, -8an/-6an feed/return, Aeromotive FPR, 75lb/hr delphi injectors

supporting mods:
T-56, B&M Ripper & McLeod street twin
3" HD steel shaft
Moser 12 bolt & TA cover
Spohn TA
13" Baer brakes
Suspension Techniques sway bars
Hotchkis STB
Hotchkis springs & Bilstein HD shocks
BMR PHR Relo kit
custom LCAs, PHR, LCA relo brackets
etc. etc. etc.

http://www.lt1.org/turbo5/6.jpg

657 Rwhp :)

699rwhp. I bet I'll be one of those who runs out just before their goal.

Will this be done using pump fuel, and will there be any water/meth injection?

Will this be done using pump fuel, and will there be any water/meth injection?

I think 93 octane only... no meth.

585 Rwhp

585 Rwhp

:eek: You just threw away your chance of winning :p ;)

It's nothing personal, just one man's opinion. :)

Oh, is it a Mustang dyno or a Dynojet?

Depending how hardcore the tune is and how much he wants to risk engine failure for big HP #s... i'll go alittle high thinking he's like me and doesn't know when to quit while he's ahead :D

760rwhp

It's nothing personal, just one man's opinion. :)

Oh, is it a Mustang dyno or a Dynojet?

dynojet and make sure to base your guess on a 6 speed. :)

93 octane, no meth. A:A intercoolers.

Add 75 horsepower to my original number for the car having a 6 speed trans and being on a Dynojet.

712rwhp

It's nothing personal, just one man's opinion. :)

Oh, is it a Mustang dyno or a Dynojet?

I was just giving ya a hard time! No worries.

Over 80 views and we have 6 guesses (2 by Roadie and myself) :confused:

647?
Tal

696rwhp

696rwhp

Hey bro, you get your car together yet?

Jon

intercoolers are a restriction... uhh... 712rwhp

675rwhp

intercoolers are a restriction... uhh... 712rwhp

712 is already taken :p Pick another one!:D

712 is already taken :p Pick another one!:D

bump it to 716 then.

bump it to 716 then.

Its like the Price is Right in here... ayone want 717rwhp :D

where is engineermike and his quess? He has been MIA this week on here...

683rwhp

705 Rwhp

710...GOOD LUCK!!! :D How much boost are you planning to put to it???

710...GOOD LUCK!!! :D How much boost are you planning to put to it???

14-15 for regular driving, but I'm going to crank it up on the dyno and tune until I see a big difference before and after the intercoolers or until she stops making power on pump gas.

my guess is 727!!

Are we betting on the uncorrected #'s?

761

Are we betting on the uncorrected #'s?

761

my guess + 1 :D
Someone must think i was close then ;)

my guess + 1 :D
Someone must think i was close then ;)

*cough* ...no...nooo...That was purely coincidental *cough*:yes:
I definately wasn't purposely taking you're vote +1...why that'd just be devious...:D

I have a feeling kharma will be knocking on my door soon; in the form of a 762 vote...:no:

689 Rwhp

*cough* ...no...nooo...That was purely coincidental *cough*:yes:
I definately wasn't purposely taking you're vote +1...why that'd just be devious...:D

I have a feeling kharma will be knocking on my door soon; in the form of a 762 vote...:no:

lol, then a 759 ... that will make both our votes nearly impossible...

Do we get a vote buffer? Say we are within 10hp of another guess both guesses (or more:D ) get 10$ each ;)

Seems fair to me:rolleyes:

625 due to the restrictive intercooler and typical first dyno problems.:)

Hey bro, you get your car together yet?

Jon


No, I've been too busy lately. I'm gonna get back to it in the next week or so.

I just want to say Boosted_Z28 (710 RWHP) and LT1-TA (716 RWHP) are bastards, ;) b/c I guessed 712 RWHP, lol. Kinda of screws me out of $10 dollars I needed, lol:cool:

713rwhp

713rwhp ;) , I am going to laugh if I am right on the money, lol. Everyone should chip in $10 then :D

there we go, everyone who guesses pools in 10$, winner gets the pool!

If things keep going the way they are... that would be a good amount of cash i bet!

737

Joe

700 is my guess

Just so everyone knows, you can be over the correct #, its whoever is closest (above or below the #).

701 :)

Some of you guys are cold blooded :lol:

lol, i'd say... I guess there should have been rules for this whole thing! :)

il take a shot at it...... 703 restrictive IC or not if hes gonna give her hell im going with 703 lol so let me get this right if he sandbags this and puts down 699 hes gonna get the 10 bucks huh??? better not cheat

:D

Jered is hoping for 750rwhp so i think he'll push it ... got to be careful though... tomorrow is Friday the 13th :eek:

cant do this like rafel (however you spell it) tickets? then id give multipul guesses

cant do this like rafel (however you spell it) tickets? then id give multipul guesses

I want to keep it simple, oh and its raffle :p ;)

Hell I'll throw my 2 cents in. 726rwhp. :D

I want to keep it simple, oh and its raffle :p ;)


thanks man im glad that someone can spell... i turn wrenches not grade english papers :cry:

thanks man im glad that someone can spell... i turn wrenches not grade english papers :cry:

lol

damn spelling!

Newest version of FireFox has a built in spell check... its a sad world :rolleyes:

;) , I am going to laugh if I am right on the money, lol. Everyone should chip in $10 then :D

;) belivit or not, i didnt check everybodys guesses :D i will send you 10$ if it shows 712rwhp.

Subscribing. 530 rwhp due to shake-down problems.

Subscribing. 530 rwhp due to shake-down problems.

Get out of here Mike! :o :p

14-15 for regular driving, but I'm going to crank it up on the dyno and tune until I see a big difference before and after the intercoolers or until she stops making power on pump gas.

Damn turbo guys and your "dial-a-boost"!!! Good luck with the dyno session, hope it rips for you. By the way, where is Breese???

Mike: hopefully all the shakedown problems were dealt with in building the car. I know what you mean though... After all, we will be doing this on Friday the 13th... ;)

Damn turbo guys and your "dial-a-boost"!!! Good luck with the dyno session, hope it rips for you. By the way, where is Breese???

Down south... About 45 minutes east of downtown St. Louis.

Did anyone guess 0?

The 108k mile T56 went BOOM on my way to the dyno. I was cruising along at 65mph in 6th gear and out of nowhere came the sound of a shotgun. The back tires locked up, then freed up again. I pulled off to the side of the road and the rears locked up for the last 20 feet or so.

The engine starts and runs fine, but if i let out the clutch, even in neutral, the engine stalls and dies. The shifter won't even move into 1, 3, 4, 5 or R.

I got the car home and drained the fluid. It's bright red with tons of metal parts. There was no sign of it being cooked at all. Even when I was waiting for the tow truck, there was no heat in the shifter handle.

So, today's totals came to:

0 rwhp
0 rwtq
1 ctf (catastrophic transmission failure)

Maybe Friday the 13th was a bad idea after all...

Did anyone guess 0?

The 108k mile T56 went BOOM on my way to the dyno. I was cruising along at 65mph in 6th gear and out of nowhere came the sound of a shotgun. The back tires locked up, then freed up again. I pulled off to the side of the road and the rears locked up for the last 20 feet or so.

The engine starts and runs fine, but if i let out the clutch, even in neutral, the engine stalls and dies. The shifter won't even move into 1, 3, 4, 5 or R.

I got the car home and drained the fluid. It's bright red with tons of metal parts. There was no sign of it being cooked at all. Even when I was waiting for the tow truck, there was no heat in the shifter handle.

So, today's totals came to:

0 rwhp
0 rwtq
1 ctf (catastrophic transmission failure)

Maybe Friday the 13th was a bad idea after all...


:cry:

OMG that sucks man jon is gonna be upset i bet he crys lol

I think I won.

ouch...at least it was the trans and not your new turbo motor...but yes, i think mike won.

When it goes back, im feeling close to 800rwhp though considering we have very similar motors, cam, etc...say 788rwhp

Ughhh...

Jered, that blows. :cry: Remember when you said you werent supersticious... :eek:

I think I won.

You were the closest, but it doesnt count since he didnt get to the dyno and even make a run.:p

Did anyone guess 0?

The 108k mile T56 went BOOM on my way to the dyno. I was cruising along at 65mph in 6th gear and out of nowhere came the sound of a shotgun. The back tires locked up, then freed up again. I pulled off to the side of the road and the rears locked up for the last 20 feet or so.

The engine starts and runs fine, but if i let out the clutch, even in neutral, the engine stalls and dies. The shifter won't even move into 1, 3, 4, 5 or R.

I got the car home and drained the fluid. It's bright red with tons of metal parts. There was no sign of it being cooked at all. Even when I was waiting for the tow truck, there was no heat in the shifter handle.

So, today's totals came to:

0 rwhp
0 rwtq
1 ctf (catastrophic transmission failure)

Maybe Friday the 13th was a bad idea after all...

THats interesting.. .same thing happened the the 5 speed in my honda. It wouldn't go into any gears, acts like they aint even there... and the car will start but when you go to let the clutch out it dies... tires are locked up also.. crazy crazy...

625 due to the restrictive intercooler and typical first dyno problems.:)

That just goes to show that turbos aren't as reliable as superchargers.LOL.:D OK the first shot is out there.

Admit it Jered, you were shifting quick from 4th into 5th and threw it into reverse (and overcame the lockout) :p

Admit it Jered, you were shifting quick from 4th into 5th and threw it into reverse (and overcame the lockout) :p

:p

I'm just happy it broke free and spun long enough for me to get slowed down and to the side of the road before it froze up again. I could've seriously wrecked the car this morning...

Anyone have a built T56 for sale? I'm not sure how quick i can get this one rebuilt (if it can be).

That's a bummer Roadie, guess it's the "weakest link" syndrome that caught up with you...could have always been worse I suppose. You'll have to re-think that Friday the 13th philosophy though. I was hoping for some dyno numbers so I would have some motivation to finish my project. Hope you get it back together soon - GOOD LUCK!

Not a good year for f-bodies this year it seems...

Like Will said tho .. better the tranny then an engine failure in any case.

Keep us posted, I wanna know when you get that thing on the dyno. I need some more setups to compare for my own project :)

There's a freshly rebuilt T56 in my garage now... It's going in tonight. We start tuning end of next week. :D

Anyone need a huge paperweight?

Roadie, So sorry to hear you've had some "Wilson" luck with the tranny. I was looking forward to hearing your results since I have the same Hotparts kit as you. I'm glad you found a tranny so quickly. Were you 'playing' on the way to the dyno when the tranny gave it up?
How did it feel when you were driving it?
Thanks,
David K. Wilson

Nope... Just cruising along at 65mph in 6th gear (2000ish rpm, -8 to -10 psi according to the eboost2). It just let go with no warning.

Prior to this (a week ago), I had been doing a little part throttle tuning... I saw 13psi in the manifold at 3200rpm at 30% throttle according to the logs I took.

The transmission shouldn't have failed -- there was no reason for it to. I guess we can chalk it up to Friday the 13th, even though I've never been supersticious. Hell, our late model race cars are #13 with a green splash incorporated into the paint schemes and we won 6 feature races last year...

new transmission is in! :cool:

and tuning is rescheduled for end of next week. :D

wow that was quick.... i need to get mine rebuilt b4 i have that problem.

new transmission is in! :cool:

and tuning is rescheduled for end of next week. :D

Nice Jered! How'd you get one so quick?

Can you get some video of the car... perhaps idling or cruising around?

Nice Jered! How'd you get one so quick?

Can you get some video of the car... perhaps idling or cruising around?

A shop about an hour away does almost all f-body work. They had 6 T56s there -- 4 LS1 and 2 LT1 (one of which was spoken for). The one I picked up had all the upgrades already installed (steel 3-4 fork, billet keys, etc). The only thing I wish it had is the viper output shaft, but I don't feel like buying a new driveshaft yoke... This failure was expensive enough.

I have a pretty sad video camera, but I'll try...

Can you get some video of the car... perhaps idling or cruising around?

idle:
http://www.lt1.org/turbo/idle.mpg

and the tial valve:
http://www.lt1.org/turbo/tial.mpg
(Not for sound purposes, but the valve piston is pretty cool to watch... However, it does sound badass when it opens under boost.)

sounds awesome man...what kinda exhaust are you running? or any at all?

idle:
http://www.lt1.org/turbo/idle.mpg

and the tial valve:
http://www.lt1.org/turbo/tial.mpg
(Not for sound purposes, but the valve piston is pretty cool to watch... However, it does sound badass when it opens under boost.)

:cool: Awesome Jered! When is the new dyno day scheduled?

sounds awesome man...what kinda exhaust are you running? or any at all?
currently just an open down pipe. The sound quality of that video camera is horrible... When I take it to the shop to tune it, we're going to connect a GMMG catback to it. We'll have a real video camera up at the shop for tuning. ;)

:cool: Awesome Jered! When is the new dyno day scheduled?
He said he had Weds- Fri open this week. I left him a VM saying Wednesday worked best for me. We'll see...

Who are you getting to tune it?

Jerry

He said he had Weds- Fri open this week. I left him a VM saying Wednesday worked best for me. We'll see...

:bow:

Who are you getting to tune it?

Jerry
Tim Rotter from Redline Performance in the STL area. He's tuned just about everything you can think of (blower, turbo, N/A, FAST, DFI, BS3, stock PCM, etc). He pays attention to every detail and will spend hours getting part throttle tuning absolutely perfect for street driving.

Even though my setup includes solid motor mounts, all rod-ended suspension components, and just about everything you can think of to make it not street friendly, I definitely will be driving it as a street car and getting a good tune across the board (not just WOT) is really important to me.

I'll be interested to hear how he works out for you. Keep us posted on the driveability and part throttle tune in the future.

Tim Rotter from Redline Performance in the STL area. He's tuned just about everything you can think of (blower, turbo, N/A, FAST, DFI, BS3, stock PCM, etc). He pays attention to every detail and will spend hours getting part throttle tuning absolutely perfect for street driving.

Even though my setup includes solid motor mounts, all rod-ended suspension components, and just about everything you can think of to make it not street friendly, I definitely will be driving it as a street car and getting a good tune across the board (not just WOT) is really important to me.

Well, its officially on for tomorrow! Last chance for guesses!!

what did it make!

Havent heard yet! I assume he made it there since he has replied to my email and hasnt posted yet! He is probably still tweaking the car or beating the **** out of it on the street!

what did it make!

Yeah! What he said!
news please!!!!

Maybe he broke again and is stuck somewhere on the side of the road? :p

Nah. He broke the DYNO! Hehehe.. I just wish he'd post the dyno numbers so I could live vicariously thru his success. I have the same hotparts kit and I want to see how well it did :) The rest of my setup won't be ready till this summer so I'll just have to envision mine thru Roadies kit.

Maybe he broke again and is stuck somewhere on the side of the road? :p

lol, yea this whole thing has started up my old twin turbo itch again :p

C'mon Roadie. Cut the crap... Post the dyno!!! Puhleeze!!! :D

lol, yea this whole thing has started up my old twin turbo itch again :p

hehe its not too late...:D

378rwhp:o

Haha, just kidding:p I hope...:eek:

Okay. This is just flat unacceptable ;)
Someone go get Roadie out of what ever Bar he's in and push him over to his keyboard.

I havent heard anything. I think the dyno might not have been that local... perhaps he crashed at a hotel overnight?

sorry... got home around 11pm. i flat passed out when I got home last night... computer on my lap and all... I had every intention of posting...

Mike was right. We had some problems that we couldn't find yesterday. We tuned part-throttle on the street at up to 14psi without a hitch. The car went on the rollers and hit a mysterious rev limiter at 4800rpm (never took it that high on the street). 5 different attempts all stopped dead right there.

We eliminated the MSD box and the FAST rev limiter as being the cause. I stayed it it for 5 seconds after it stopped pulling on one run and it's still firing at 4800 rpm. It feels like it retarded the timing so much that it can't pull any more. We believe it's related to the inductive delay for the coils. It's set to 96 (what FAST recommends as default), but I haven't been able to find out what setting it needs to be for the northstar coil packs (delteq setup).

Anyway, the car runs and drives beautifully.I just need to fix this little rev limiter that's killing me. Then we can turn up the boost!

So, we never got the boost past 14psi, never ran it over 4800 rpm, and had a passenger side header leak (gotta replace those copper gaskets with the carbon fiber ones I have in the garage).

Here's the dyno graph:

http://www.lt1.org/turbo/dyno.gif

Thanks for posting Roadie! Sorry you encountered the issue but that's damned impressive to have those numbers at 4800 rpm. So, you think the spark is being blown out by the boost?


sorry... i flat passed out when I got home last night... computer on my lap and all... I had every intention of posting...

Mike was right. We had some problems that we couldn't find yesterday. We tuned part-throttle on the street at up to 14psi without a hitch. The car went on the rollers and hit a mysterious rev limiter at 4800rpm (never took it that high on the street). 5 different attempts all stopped dead right there.

We eliminated the MSD box and the FAST rev limiter as being the cause. I stayed it it for 5 seconds after it stopped pulling on one run and it's still firing at 4800 rpm. It feels like it retarded the timing so much that it can't pull any more. We believe it's related to the inductive delay for the coils. It's set to 96 (what FAST recommends as default), but I haven't been able to find out what setting it needs to be for the northstar coil packs (delteq setup).

Anyway, the car runs and drives beautifully.I just need to fix this little rev limiter that's killing me. Then we can turn up the boost!

So, we never got the boost past 14psi, never ran it over 4800 rpm, and had a passenger side header leak (gotta replace those copper gaskets with the carbon fiber ones I have in the garage).

Here's the dyno graph:

http://www.lt1.org/turbo/dyno.gif

So, you think the spark is being blown out by the boost?

I doubt it... I chose a non-projected NGK plug for that reason. It's a NGK 4554 gapped at .030" with Delteq and MSD DIS-4. That should be plenty of spark for any kind of boost.

At 4800, it's still sparking because it don't drop RPM. It just goes flat there and stops increasing RPM.

Sorry to hear that you had more problems. At least you didn't break anything this time.

I suppose this thread is never going to be put to rest now :)

Nah... This thread can go to rest. I'll start something new when everything actually works. ;)

Here's a video of one of the runs I made. They were all cut short at 4800 rpm.

http://www.lt1.org/turbo/dyno.avi

PS. Yup. that was a misfire early in the run. That has been fixed... ;)

thanks for the juicy video :)

Makes me wanna get my car going even worse now thanks :p

Damn that engineermike :p

jered, its seems to spool a little slow... especialy for a T76. What was he timing at with the dyno sheet you provided. I think those intercoolers arent helping... seems like you would only peak at 500-525rwhp if that 4800rpm run continued :confused: Do you think that its pulling timing waybefore the 4800rpm which hurts the curve? Peak torque should have been around 3000-3500rpm, not 4500rpm. How does it pull on the street?

Jon

the dyno isn't creating enough load to build boost... On the street, I could hit 14psi by 3000 rpm. On the dyno, it didn't hit 14psi until ~4300. Timing started at 30* at 2psi at 2300rpm and dropped steadily to 24* at 14psi (we were playing it safe for pump gas).

I was shooting for a perfect street tune moreso than pure dyno numbers.

Are you guys getting video or just audio? When I click on the link, it downloads to my laptop, then fires up Quicktime (by default) and shows the bar moving as if it's playing but there's no sound and no visual. Then a dialog box pops up and says some important quicktime updates are needed. It provides a link to these supposed updates. Instead, it presents about 10 aftermarket codex sources with none of them indicating 'use me to play your video. I'm the one that's missing...'. I just picked one randomly, downloaded and installed it. No change on the video though. I then fired up windows media player and directed the URL to the link. Now it 'plays' audio but there's still no video.



Nah... This thread can go to rest. I'll start something new when everything actually works. ;)

Here's a video of one of the runs I made. They were all cut short at 4800 rpm.

http://www.lt1.org/turbo/dyno.avi

PS. Yup. that was a misfire early in the run. That has been fixed... ;)

Just to wet your appetites... Have you guys seen this?
http://www.frozenwaste.com/Frost/RPM/MM_4_17_07.wmv
Look how soft he leaves and still turns this phenomenal time/mph. This was his first pass ever with this setup. He didn't get it spooled up on the line but when boost hits. O...M...G.... This pass was 18psi on drag radials. Full street trim.

Are you guys getting video or just audio? When I click on the link, it downloads to my laptop, then fires up Quicktime (by default) and shows the bar moving as if it's playing but there's no sound and no visual. Then a dialog box pops up and says some important quicktime updates are needed. It provides a link to these supposed updates. Instead, it presents about 10 aftermarket codex sources with none of them indicating 'use me to play your video. I'm the one that's missing...'. I just picked one randomly, downloaded and installed it. No change on the video though. I then fired up windows media player and directed the URL to the link. Now it 'plays' audio but there's still no video.

I got video and sound...

the dyno isn't creating enough load to build boost... On the street, I could hit 14psi by 3000 rpm. On the dyno, it didn't hit 14psi until ~4300. Timing started at 30* at 2psi at 2300rpm and dropped steadily to 24* at 14psi (we were playing it safe for pump gas).

I was shooting for a perfect street tune moreso than pure dyno numbers.

Jered, do you have datalogs? does the timing drop before it hit the 4800rpm (like down to 18 degrees or something)? Also, did it hold 14psi steady from 4300- 4800rpm?

BTW, when are you going to try and get it fixed?

sounds like my car on the dyno, full boost (14psi) at 4200rpm, but on the street it makes that way sooner....different problem than yours, buti blew out spark and my graph looks way different.

Similar problems at similar rpm, but look at the difference in graphs. Interesting to compare

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2108000-2108999/2108416_69_full.jpg

BTW Jered, you are very lean! Richen that biotch up!

BTW Jered, you are very lean! Richen that biotch up!

its hard to tell from his graph...whats he at, like 12.5:1?

its hard to tell from his graph...whats he at, like 12.5:1?

Hopefully Jered doent mind me snooping around his website :)

http://www.lt1.org/turbo5/dynodetail.gif

Damn that engineermike :p

Sorry 'bout that. Just been there too many times. . .

Sorry 'bout that. Just been there too many times. . .

Haha ;) No worries Mike. Whats your paypal addy :bow:

Their wideband was close to the end of the pipe and was picking up stray oxygen. Mine was reading 11.7-11.9 through the entire run.

I kept my foot on the floor for 5 seconds after it hit the mysterious rev limiter to log more info one time... RPM stayed steady at 4800. Timing stayed at 24*. It went rich and boost just dropped off. It does it even on the street, right at 4800rpm.

As I posted earlier, I'm somewhat convinced it has something to do with the dwell time of the coils (inductive delay) where the timing is falling off based on too long of a delay... Anyone have experience with this?

hmm... the demo tune and manuals for the FAST classic box all have 96 uS as the inductive delay. The FAST XFI manual says:

"You should not have to change this parameter with most popular engine applications. Always start at 40 uS.

This parameter is used to compensate for the varying delays that occur with different types of crank sensors. These varying delays often cause ignition-timing error that will increase as engine RPM increases.

For inductive pickup ignition systems, leave this parameter set to 40 uS (microseconds). For other types of ignition systems, this value can be altered to reduce or eliminate ignition-timing error as a function of RPM. This error will show up as either unwanted timing advance as RPM increases or unwanted timing retard as RPM increases.

Increasing the value in this parameter will reduce unwanted timing retard.

Decreasing the value in this parameter will reduce unwanted timing advance."

So, if that 40uS is right, I should be advancing timing too much, which is definitely not what is happening. I wish I had a timing reference pointer so I could play with that setting until I had it perfect across the RPM range... I might be fabbing something up soon...

I say call FAST, you spend that kinda money i say it better work flawlessly. And if it don't they better help you like there is no tomorrow. thats my .02$

Haha ;) No worries Mike. Whats your paypal addy :bow:

Don't worry about it!

Don't worry about it!

Get out of here! I'll send it bro! Fair is Fair. It aint much, but its something :)

Get out of here! I'll send it bro! Fair is Fair. It aint much, but its something :)

Put it towards your next dyno run or donate it to the church.

Any late/breaking news on the 4,800 RPM limiting villain?