305fan 03-19-2007, 07:41 AM 3.6L DOHC or 3.9L--which holds the most appeal in a V6 Camaro. Yeah I know, most want the V8 versions but I beleive the V6 deserves to be done well and done right. Not some POS like V6 Stang with its monter truck 225/65/16 tires and marsh mellow suspension...ect Opps sry for my rant :D
skorpion317 03-19-2007, 08:53 AM 3.6L DOHC with direct injection. 300 HP sounds nice.
glock36 03-19-2007, 09:18 PM none
stars1010 03-20-2007, 01:00 AM 3.6L DOHC with direct injection. 300 HP sounds nice.
I agree!
3.6L FTW :D
Big Als Z 03-20-2007, 01:54 AM 3.6 by far. 3.9 is slowly fading away into nothingness.
G6, Uplander and Impala will be the only cars that use the 3.9
Aura, Malibu, G8, CTS, Lambda and Upper level G6 all use the new 3.6. The Vue, Nox and Torrent also use the 3.6.
Time to let it go, 3.6 in either a higher output 275 like the Lambda, or around 300 with DI in the CTS, but I would like to see the power around the 280-300hp range.
305fan 03-20-2007, 07:29 AM none
gee what a good answer :rolleyes:
2000GTP 03-20-2007, 09:52 AM Dare I say I would almost prefer a motor with a single overhead cam for simplicity sake when doing repairs? I remember when I used to have to work on the old 3.4 DOHC motors in the Monte Carlos and Grand Prixs and they were a real headache. That is what pops to mind when I see the option of a 3.6DOHC motor.
Z284ever 03-20-2007, 10:26 AM 3.6 by far. 3.9 is slowly fading away into nothingness.
G6, Uplander and Impala will be the only cars that use the 3.9
Aura, Malibu, G8, CTS, Lambda and Upper level G6 all use the new 3.6. The Vue, Nox and Torrent also use the 3.6.
Time to let it go, 3.6 in either a higher output 275 like the Lambda, or around 300 with DI in the CTS, but I would like to see the power around the 280-300hp range.
I agree. 300-320 hp V6's will be common very soon. And GM is pushing to get more HFV6's out there.
z28luvr01 03-21-2007, 06:07 PM 3.6L V6 all the way. If they play this right, GM could parlay the V6 Camaro as a stylish, more affordable 350Z or G35 alternative, as opposed to being just a Mustang competitor.
Blownbird355 03-22-2007, 02:09 AM A 5.3 should be base and probally better gas mileage and as cheap as the DOHC 6. But for insurance maybe they have to have a 6 option.
Big Als Z 03-29-2007, 12:01 AM You cannot have a base V8 engine. Not everyone wants a V8 engine.
I think that the 3.6 could offer a great balance of good power for the car without getting crazy. Still would offer a great sports car experiance.
That said, I think that if the 3.6 does come in at 300hp, I dont see the need for a base V8?
MissedShift 03-29-2007, 01:55 AM For a car in this type of marketing slot, I would think that whatever GM is offering as the "HF" V6 in other cars would be used as the base engine in Camaro. I see very little point of a sportscar with a "HV" V6.
96ZCamaro 04-01-2007, 10:51 PM I beleive the base should be a v-8. I dont see why people get 'sports' cars that have a little ole v-6 in them.
Big Als Z 04-02-2007, 03:35 AM Not everyone wants a V8. Not everyone wants or needs 400hp+
Its tough to sell 100k units with a V8 only.
V6 will appeal to a much broader audiance then an all V8 set up would...but I got a feeling that you would settle for a revised 4th gen.
305fan 04-02-2007, 07:26 AM I beleive the base should be a v-8. I dont see why people get 'sports' cars that have a little ole v-6 in them.
I don't see why you can't see the need for a V6. Lutz wants this puppy to sell!
And like has been said before it needs to appeal to a wide range of buyers.
Whats the production target over 125K per year? Check out production stats for all the years of Camaros ever made. They sold tons of V6 cars.
Some V6 buyers might step up to the V8 but I think most would not. Cost is a big factor. You may not see why people buy V6 cars--but its a nesseicity to have it!
Casull 04-02-2007, 09:42 AM I beleive the base should be a v-8. I dont see why people get 'sports' cars that have a little ole v-6 in them.
I am with the others who have responded onthis one. I really can not understand people who think this way. Just becasue you want a V8 doesn't mean everyone does.
The majority of people out there have absolutely no use for a V8. They will never use the extra power, don't want to pay the extra money it will cost to insure it or the added fuel costs (however, this is becoming more of a non isue as V8s continue to get better and better mpgs).
Not to mention the V6s these days are getting near 300 hp, and I wouldn't be suprosed if the Camaro offers one rated at 300 hp. Even for the majority of us, 300 hp would be plenty (of course, we always want more ;) )
If you want GM to only offer a V8, then be prepared to pay a lot more for the car since they will not be able to spread the cost out across more units, or be prepared for a very short run on the Camaro, becasue without volume, the car will fade away once again.
jg95z28 04-02-2007, 11:24 AM Actually if my wife ends up liking it, I may pick up a red V6 auto vert for her and a S/C V8 M6 coupe for me. :D
Mjolnir 04-02-2007, 12:42 PM Let's not forget sales targets in other countries that tax engines on displacement and (occasionally) cylinder count.
A sub 4.0 V6 is crucial for those markets.
What sells well in Alabama isn't the only thing driving this car.
They will chose the V6 based on fuel efficiency and production cost. So most likely it will be an updated 3.9LV6 in the Camaro, which would of course be more refined and smoother.
Bayer-Z28 04-22-2007, 01:30 AM I'd have to say a H.O. 3.6L... The DOHC seems like a nice option. It'll have some top end to it.. ;)
95Z28LT1-PA 04-22-2007, 11:48 AM Isn't the 3.9 the same motor they are putting in the current Malibu SS?? The 240 hp one...That's a good motor for a base model Camaro
livewire516 04-22-2007, 03:37 PM I'm gonna say something that many of you are going to consider blasphemous: the base camaro should be an I4. It is not uncommon for a 200hp I4 these days, and that would have been close to the 305s in the 80's. I know most people who love of american steel hate lil' 4 bangers but you have to think about the end, not the means. For those who keep a motor stock, does it matter if it's a v-8, v-6, or I4 if they all have the same output; people want the stigma that comes w/ a v-8. Also, if we let people buy more camaros it decreases cost across all boards... helping us.
Just think about it... dya port your heads so you see higher flow bench numbers, or so you see the win light in your lane?
82lt1ta 04-22-2007, 03:52 PM In my mind i understand why they want the base to be a v6 but its a Camaro....= base v8 5.3 can't or don't want a v8 than too bad its a "sports car" If they wanted the Camaro to appeal to every tom dick and harrry they would have made it a front wheel drive honda. It's a Camaro guys. come on
Yea so i know im gonna get flammed for that one...
94Camaro_Z_28 04-22-2007, 05:22 PM I vote 3.9 for simplicity when working on them. DOHC, while nice on a performance side, is nothing less than a PITA when repairing. Then again, I don't give a damn because a V8 is destined for me.
Sharker524 04-22-2007, 08:56 PM V6 pony cars are made for the people who want the look of a sports car and nothing else. It's just something for them to look cool in.
Too bad that that's the way 90% of this country thinks. We need the V6 to support the Camaro, volume-wise. It sucks, but its the truth.
82lt1ta 04-22-2007, 09:29 PM V6 pony cars are made for the people who want the look of a sports car and nothing else. It's just something for them to look cool in.
Too bad that that's the way 90% of this country thinks. We need the V6 to support the Camaro, volume-wise. It sucks, but its the truth.
yes yes it is... its sad but owell
wildpaws 04-22-2007, 09:29 PM Having worked at a Chevrolet dealer around 69/70, I can tell you that most Camaros sold were 6 cyl. or small V-8, high performance SS350/396 were a small segment of the market, 302 Z/28 even smaller yet. I feel sure that Chevrolet will have at least one small six in the new Camaro.
Clyde
Red-LT1 04-22-2007, 11:14 PM No offense but if I were to get a 6 cylinder it would be something a little more practical. In Impala perhaps. Much more room and good gas mileage. Sure it may not look like or be a Camaro, but I don't see the point in looking cool in a car that has a reputation for being fast thats pretty quick, but not really fast.
That said, many many people out there do. Almost ever F-Body I see is a 6. Therefore they would be shooting themselves in the foot by not offering a 6. And with gas prices these days... I may never have bought a Camaro if I knew I'd be paying this much in just a few short years!
As for which 6 will they choose, I'd put money on OHV. Guess that means 3.9.
toneloc12345 04-23-2007, 09:47 AM I'd guess they would put the 3.9 in there. I'm sure it will be around 250hp and the engine is DOD compatible. Plus I'm sure it's way cheaper to build than the 3.6L.
Doesn't the current mustang V6 sell pretty well with a Ranger V6 in it?
Black5thgen 04-23-2007, 10:30 AM Regardless if you want a V6 or not, they are gonna make up the bulk of sales. A lot of women are intimidated by a V8 and want the styling of the car with out the speed. Also holds true to men that are not part of the hobby but want a "cool" car and parents who buy these cars for their kids. If these people would have bought the 4th gen, the camaro would have never went on hiatus. I hope they put the simplest, cheapest, and most dependable V6 in the camaro. I'm not gonna buy one with a sixer but I hope they do it right so the car appeals to everyone.
Silverado C-10 04-23-2007, 11:34 AM My girlfriend want's a V-6 mustang. I have no problem with this, I love the new mustang's. She doesn't want or need a v-8 (to be honest, as stated above, I think she's "scared" of it.) The insurance is MUCH cheaper, the price is usually several thousand less than the base V-8 (or you can get a loaded six car for a base v-8 price) and using the mustang's as a reference, they get several mpg better than a v-8. Cheaper cost, better fuel economy, cheaper insurance, why WOULDN'T GM want a V-6? I think that's ludacris to even think you shouldn't offer a V-6 as an option. You can't deny the popularity of the V-6.
The V-8 will always be there for the real enthusiests (hopefully!)
As far as which is better, that's for the general to decide. For the people who mention the simplicity of the motor to work on, you can basically throw that out the window, aside from a few enthusiests left out there (like us) hardly anybody does anything to their car anymore aside from a few bolt ons and oil changes. Most people are so afraid of all the electonics and voiding warranties to even think about working on the internals of a motor. Not only that, but these are GM's, they shouldn't need engine work for 200K+ :bow:
Chrisz24 04-28-2007, 09:11 PM I'd buy a V6 camaro again:)
Seriously if the V8 is 6.2L and 400+ HP I wouldnt want it for my daily drive!
I bet they will put in the 3.9L for cost purposes, mine would be 5/6 speed and with whatever appearance/performance additions (Y87?)
It'd be cool to see a V6 above 300 HP. Plzzz let it happen :D
Red-LT1 04-30-2007, 08:41 PM That might intrude on their V8 sales a bit too much. That said I bet it wouldn't have as nice of a torque curve though.
Lutz said there would be two V6,one of which would be a high performance V6, i wonder what that would be? Any Idea's ?
5thgen69camaro 05-01-2007, 02:42 AM Honestly I dont think it makes a difference V6 or V8 in the base. Just as long as it does what you want it to. Id want whatever performed better for what I could afford.
I had both 69 2bbl 350 and my 98 3.8 V6 were base models. In the case of the 69 just a step up from the inline 6. If I wasnt worried about keeping the 69 original Id have put a 4bbl on it and had something so Id perfer the V8. Doesnt matter to me though as Ive had two base models. I wont own a 3rd with the looks and no a$$. It will be at least the LS3 or nothing. To massacure the retarted anti-retro quote, if I want another accord V6 Ill buy one :D
I just hope the V8 is one that is affordable and in case if it isnt, i wouldnt mind buying a V6
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