2tight
02-16-2007, 01:12 PM
Here's a link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-trans-am-ram-air-ls1-280-miles-in-the-wrapper-71_W0QQitemZ290084178633QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6427QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem
BLKLT1
02-16-2007, 01:47 PM
yes they did make firebirds in white ;)
2tight
02-16-2007, 01:54 PM
yes they did make firebirds in white ;)
ARE YOU SUREEEEEEEEE
shoebox
02-16-2007, 02:07 PM
What is the technical question as a reason for posting in this forum?
2tight
02-16-2007, 02:41 PM
Is it true they make a LS6 for a F-body
2tight
02-16-2007, 02:53 PM
What is the technical question as a reason for posting in this forum?
here is the qoute from the head engineer who designed the ls1 "The LS6 and the LS1 use an all-aluminum cylinder case. It’s a "deep-skirted" design (block structure extends below the crankshaft centerline) with six-bolt main bearing caps (four vertical bolts and two horizontal bolts per cap) and head bolt threads deep in the main bearing bulkheads (for minimal block distortion and maximum head gasket clamping force). LS1/6 blocks are semi-permanent mold castings of 319-T5 aluminum. The LS6 case is different from LS1 blocks in the design and strength of the main bearing bulkheads. As the pistons move up and down, they force air in and out of the spaces (or "bays") beneath them. At high rpm, this reciprocating air flow is violent and really whips up the oil. While the LS1 block has some machined openings between bays, the LS6 block, because the engine has about 500 more usable rpm, needed larger windows at the base of each cylinder to better accommodate "bay-to-bay breathing." Click for Larger View We got the GMPT guys to cut up a LS6 block for us. To above-left of the #2 main bearing bulkhead, at the bottom of the cylinder bore, you can easily see the rectangular bay-to-bay breathing window. Photo: author Click Image For Larger View Obviously, cutting windows at the bottom of each cylinder reduces the strength of the block’s key structural area, the main bearing bulkheads. With 40 more horsepower, 400-500 more rpm and even more powerful derivations of this engine to come, the block needed to be even stronger than it would be without the windows. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure, in their ruthless pursuit of power, Dr. John and his engineers had to do more than simply reprogram their CNCs to cut those windows. Finite element design work along with a lot of thrashing engines to death (in a few cases, literally) on the dyno eventually resulted in the special LS6 block having both the bay-to-bay breathing windows and more overall strength than the LS1 block
TRUE OR FALSE?
shoebox
02-16-2007, 02:58 PM
It is true that some of the LS1s got LS6 blocks.
2000GTP
02-16-2007, 03:02 PM
It is true that some of the LS1s got LS6 blocks.
Do you think it is also true that the revisions in the block add 15-25 more horsepower or is the seller just trying to hype it up a little bit?
2tight
02-16-2007, 03:08 PM
It is true that some of the LS1s got LS6 blocks.
And why would GM do this? and how can you tell for sure it's and LS6 block?
shoebox
02-16-2007, 05:46 PM
The full potential of the LS6 block will not be realized with the LS1 internals. The block is not going to add 15-20 HP or maybe even anything.
Why does GM do anything? Usually for monetary reasons. Cheaper to make one block, than two or they were running low on LS1 blocks.
A casting # 12561168 denotes LS6 block. The number is located on driver's side, at back of left hand deck above transmission flange.
Many late model LS1 got the LS6 intake manifold, as well.
I don't think the guy with the car for sale is going to get that price for it. It's not old enough, yet.
CALL911
02-16-2007, 07:18 PM
There was an article done on this in GMHTP magazine. I can't remember off the top of my head though if his figures were right about the rarity of the LS6 block.
As far as I know (and I could definatly be wrong on this one), the LS6 block was a little stronger, but should'nt really put out the additional ponies he's claiming it does.
It is a nice car, but honestly IMO, its not worth even close to what he is asking. So he garaged it for all that time and got ripped off on the $150 a month bill. He shouldn't be tagging that on to the price of the car. It might be worth that money if it remains like it is in perhaps another 10-20 years, but not now.
breakmyfootoff
02-16-2007, 09:32 PM
So he garaged it for all that time and got ripped off on the $150 a month bill. He shouldn't be tagging that on to the price of the car.
Agree 100%! Maybe if I sell my car I can add the cost of all the fuel and auto insurance to the price tag LOL, kinda the same thing. I almost forgot about oil changes too, better add those up and tack that on to the price as well :D
2tight
02-16-2007, 10:58 PM
Agree 100%! Maybe if I sell my car I can add the cost of all the fuel and auto insurance to the price tag LOL, kinda the same thing. I almost forgot about oil changes too, better add those up and tack that on to the price as well :D
Well you also have to included air for the tire's it isn't cheap .50 cent each time and you know every little bit adds up:D
breakmyfootoff
02-16-2007, 11:26 PM
And car washes too! Good god, my car is worth a fortune using that guys method. I think I'm gonna go ahead and total everything up so I can sell it and get me a 2007 Z06.
95GRNZ
02-16-2007, 11:46 PM
That's already at least the third time he is trying to sell it. I think last time arond the price was over 50K. :think:
:rolleyes: