What if...

...there had never been an F-body, and we all saw it for the first time at this upcoming NAIAS along w/ the GTO. How do you think the demand for each would compare? Personally I think the F-body would blow the GTO out of the water and would sell like crazy at a 30K tag...It would be just like '67 all over again. I was thinking about that last night in my sociology class and it kind of bugged me. Just something to think about...

I doubt it. People are way more practical now (just look at SUV sales :( ). Also, you don't have alot of young baby boomers from returning WWII veterans, so I don't believe it's physically possible to sell as many "young" cars as it was during that time the population bulge hit their 20 & 30s.

I think an f-body brought out today would probally get slammed for having less than Cavalier space in a body bigger than a Grand Am, and would be viewed as not much more than a styling exercise.

It would get attention, but it's the GTO that would see bigger production.

Originally posted by guionM
I doubt it. People are way more practical now (just look at SUV sales :( ). Also, you don't have alot of young baby boomers from returning WWII veterans, so I don't believe it's physically possible to sell as many "young" cars as it was during that time the population bulge hit their 20 & 30s.

I think an f-body brought out today would probally get slammed for having less than Cavalier space in a body bigger than a Grand Am, and would be viewed as not much more than a styling exercise.

It would get attention, but it's the GTO that would see bigger production.

Bastage, how do you do that:confused: :mad: :D

Meccadeth, do you really have an Insight??? or is that a joke, I hope it is for business or something

Originally posted by Z28x
Meccadeth, do you really have an Insight??? or is that a joke, I hope it is for business or something

Nah its true :(
Its my winter car...
If things go as planned, I'm going to trade it in for a GTO when they come out.

Originally posted by Meccadeth
Nah its true :(
Its my winter car...
If things go as planned, I'm going to trade it in for a GTO when they come out.

You had me worried for a while there.
That sounds like a good plan, depending on HP and Price I think I'm going to get a GTO too. if not I will probably go with a 2001+ Z28, SS, or WS6

Originally posted by Z28x
You had me worried for a while there.
That sounds like a good plan, depending on HP and Price I think I'm going to get a GTO too. if not I will probably go with a 2001+ Z28, SS, or WS6

Wow...thats the same plan I have. I want to see the GTO at Detroit first before I put anything in stone.

Originally posted by Meccadeth
Nah its true :(
Its my winter car...
If things go as planned, I'm going to trade it in for a GTO when they come out.

Hmm, let's see.. $35,000 GTO.. 2002 Insight Hybrid trade-in.. cool, so now you only have $34750 to finance ;)

GT

Originally posted by kizz
Hmm, let's see.. $35,000 GTO.. 2002 Insight Hybrid trade-in.. cool, so now you only have $34750 to finance ;)

GT

A little closer to $13,000... ;)

Originally posted by Meccadeth
Personally I think the F-body would blow the GTO out of the water and would sell like crazy at a 30K tag...It would be just like '67 all over again.

They certainly wouldn't be big movers at $30k. That's hardly the big price point if you're trying to reach the youth, where the cars really took off originally.

If I were spending $30k and this "new" F-body would be of the same quality and design as the '02, I'd just as soon have the GTO for the same price or a bit more.

Originally posted by jrp4uc
They certainly wouldn't be big movers at $30k. That's hardly the big price point if you're trying to reach the youth, where the cars really took off originally.

If I were spending $30k and this "new" F-body would be of the same quality and design as the '02, I'd just as soon have the GTO for the same price or a bit more.

$30K isnt THAT far out of reach of youth today. I have a $5.50/hour job and can afford to finance that w/ the insurance, while paying for college part-time. And I come from a working class family, so theres a majority of people my age in better situations financially. It comes down to whether they feel like spending all that money on a car...
As for if the F-bod and GTO were the same price and both brand new and in the same showroom floor, I would probably choose the Camaro or Firebird, depending on the quality of the GTO's interior in comparison.

Originally posted by Meccadeth
$30K isnt THAT far out of reach of youth today. I have a $5.50/hour job and can afford to finance that w/ the insurance, while paying for college part-time. And I come from a working class family, so theres a majority of people my age in better situations financially. It comes down to whether they feel like spending all that money on a car...

You've got to be kidding me if you think you can buy a $30,000 while making $5.50 an hour. That is $11,440 a year! Do the math: that comes out to $953.33 a month income, and car payments (60 months, 0% interest) of $500 a month. You show me someone who can afford to live on $400 and some change while paying for food, gas, insurance, rent, all the other associated bills, whatever day-to-day expenses, AND college tuition/books and I'll show you a dreamer living at home and not thinking rationally. ;)

No offense intended. A good rule of thumb is to have your car payments equal to about a quarter of your monthly income, or what you'd make in a week.

you'd have to work 40 hour weeks for 2 years and 7 months at $5.50/hr to accumulate $30,000, and that's not even counting interest or other living expenses.

When you hit 7 bucks an hour.......go for the Z06!

$30K isnt THAT far out of reach of youth today. I have a $5.50/hour job and can afford to finance that w/ the insurance, while paying for college part-time.

hahahah I'm hoping you aren't majoring in math or we're all in trouble. Please 30 grand is way too expensive. I'm 21 and about to move out of my parent's place, I will be making a lot more than 5.50 an hour out of school, probably around 12 an hour to start, and I will barely be able to afford a $500 a month apartment, insurance payments on my car, food and such let alone a 30 grand car. To really get to the youth price range you need to look at cars like the neon SRT10.

I know what you guys are talking about, but its still possible. Heres my plan though...
I'm trading in a fully paid for Honda Insight and a few thousand for a down payment. I'll probably be financing around 10K :D ;)

If your desire is strong enough, you will find a way to own it....

although you may suffer in the process....

same as everything....

Sorry man, there's no way you could finance a $30K car on minimum wage. When I was 18 and bought my Z28 for $11,700 (over 3 1/2 years ago), I was making over $12 at my job. I had a $7000 down payment and got financed at 8.5% on the $4700, it still took me 2 1/2 years to pay it off (it was a 3 year loan). Payments were $150, insurance was $160, then figure in gas, fun, and other stuff. Even when I was pulling in about $700 every two weeks (net, not gross), at the end of the month after I payed everything I still only had maybe $400-$500 saved every month. That extra money wouldn't have been able to go toward a $30K car payments, especially when you figure in insurance. At $5.50, you'll be lucky to get $350 net every two weeks.

Alright....I'll do the math...
30K @ 0% financing over a max 60 month loan term....is 500$/month, plus insurance, which we all know is outstanding for someone under 25 with a V8 sports car, so, I would get it insured full coverage under my parents name, like I'm doing w/ the Insight. That would be another 120$/month (estimated) so 500 + 120 = $620/month.
Now, after taxes at 5.50$/hour I make about $4.45/hour, so 620 diveded by 4.45 = 139 hours of work for that month, which is basicly nothing considering I work 40-50 hours a week. So it IS possible.
Would I do it for a car for 6 years w/ the rest of my money going towards school...for the GTO, Hell yea! Will I have to? No.

don't forget at LEAST another $100 in gas a month... assuming you go thru 3 gas tanks a month and pay $1.50 a gallon. Thats about 800 miles a month at 17 mpg.

thats abotu 9600 miles a year, tires would cost you about $500 to replace.. if you change your tires every 3 years (27,000 miles and thats if relatively behave) thats about $11 a month.

lets say synth oil, and various fluids, about $9 a month .

Going thru brakes.. lets say you have to change pads and rotors every two years.. lets say $200 every 24 months = $8 a month

so now thats another extra $130 a month for gas, raw basic maintaince of fluids, tires, and brakes.

your now up to $750 a month to barely maintain that car. Lets hope a taillight doesn't wink out.

your income is $4.40 * 50 * 4 = $880 a month

just after the car you are now only left with $130 a MONTH to play with.

Thats only $30 a WEEK to spend.

And remeber, your not paying for a place to live, utilities, and food! and your not saving a single cent. And what happens if something unexpected happens? You don't happen to have any credit card bills to pay for btw?

When I got out of college, I thought, "shieeeeett.. life's gonna rock now that I got this nice salary job..... after the first few months of bills of living by myself I realized... wow.. things add up.. and compared to alotta people, I have things real easy when it comes to debt and loans!"