New Camaro vs Ford GT500

New Camaro vs Ford Mustang GT 500 Price vs performance of both who wins

Since we don't really know the price or the performance of the new Camaro this is pretty much impossible to call so far.

Too many unknowns.

If the Camaro comes in at 3600 pounds with the 450 HP LS3, I think it will be neck and neck with the GT500, but it also depends on how aggressive the Camaro's torque management is.

Since we don't really know the price or the performance of the new Camaro this is pretty much impossible to call so far.

I agree. It's too soon to tell.

Lofty goal for a base V8 to aim for the top dog Mustang, even if looking at it from a price vs performance perspective... but it's always good to set the bar high.

Here's a good way to look at this.... When it's all said and done, I am confident GM will deliver a car that will hold its own. If something beats it, the other car will be deserving of a tip of your cap.

Too many unknowns.

If the Camaro comes in at 3600 pounds with the 450 HP LS3, I think it will be neck and neck with the GT500, but it also depends on how aggressive the Camaro's torque management is.

True, It's always been GM vs Ford let's just hope that some of the guy's at GM look at the fourm. Hopefully GM gets us back in the game big time.

I don't care if it outperforms the GT500 or not, that's not what having the car is about, for me at least. The fact that it usually blows the competition away is just an added bonus that seems to occur often.

There might not even be a Ford by the time the Camaro comes out. They are tanking hard and making GM look like a financial rock comparitively speaking. If the Camaro gets a supercharged engine then the Camaro will be able to take it but lately GM is scaring me with that damn torque management on everything. Don't advertise xx hp and xx tq if you aren't gonna give it to us except for one quick burst in the winter.

Are you talking the GT500 of now or the GT500/Cobra of 2010, or both....

Ford isn't going anywhere. They'll be around in 2009,10 and so on. As far as the Camaro vs GT500 I'd say its just to soon to call. As it stands Im sure GM is working on a GT500 competitor. By 2009 though Ford im sure will be developing a GT500 successor. The new redesigned Mustang with the 5.8-6.2 Boss powertrain will arrive in 2010. So if the General releases a New top dog Camaro say 2009 with the LS7 being that the camaro be lighter then the GT500 I'd say the Camaro would come out on top at least for 2009 model year. Now 2010-12 is another story. Either way Im just plain excited to see the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger roaming the streets side by side once again in 2009.:bow:

Too many unknowns.

Yup.

Are you talking the GT500 of now or the GT500/Cobra of 2010, or both....

My 1st question too. :shrug:


2tight, car planning simply doesn't stand still waiting for another vehicle to run it over. When we know what the horsepower and price numbers are for the 2010 GT500, let alone the 2010 Camaro (which Camaro are you talking about?...A V6?... A SS?.... Some unknowned super Camaro?) we'll be better able to answer.

Just like everyone else has said, there are too many unknowns to answer that question clearly. I will tell you this much; if the top Camaro doesn't come with a supercharger then the GT500 (or equivalent) will be the victor. My reasoning being that the only people who are going to race these cars stock for stock are the car rags. And the average joe doesn't spring for a head/cam combo, nitrous, or aftermarket boosted applications. Majority of these cars will get the catback/cold-air treatment. Now your going to go up against a car that the average joe throws on a pulley and a tune. The boosted car is going to win. Its the same case with the 03/04 Cobra vs. LS1 f-body. Sure there are plenty of F-bodies that will hand a built Cobra his @ss but the average joe just isn't going to buy what it takes to make the power that a factory boosted motor is capable of.

New Camaro vs Ford Mustang GT 500 Price vs performance of both who wins

Im so tired of these questions, can we stop asking them once and for all. Do we know the price of the Camaro or of the stang in two years, no.

Im so tired of these questions, can we stop asking them once and for all. Do we know the price of the Camaro or of the stang in two years, no.
Dude it's just for fun !!! Just talking, Keep your cool :D If you do like the topic nobody makes you reply.

all i know is i want a gt500 killer, they better make me one!

My 1st question too. :shrug:


2tight, car planning simply doesn't stand still waiting for another vehicle to run it over. When we know what the horsepower and price numbers are for the 2010 GT500, let alone the 2010 Camaro (which Camaro are you talking about?...A V6?... A SS?.... Some unknowned super Camaro?) we'll be better able to answer.
As of right now do you think the GM guy's will ever make any kind on Camaro with 500hp? Just a question for fun thats all. :)

I think that the GT500 is done after '08.

As of right now do you think the GM guy's will ever make any kind on Camaro with 500hp? Just a question for fun thats all. :)

I don't think it is completely out of the question. I doubt that they would be made in large quantities. I mean an LS7 crate motor is only about $7,000 more than an LS2. Would people buy a 500HP Camaro for $7-10k more than a Z/28? I guarantee they will, but again in limited numbers.

I think the only reason they wouldn't is becasue they wouldn't want a Camaro to beat its big brother, the Vette. However, if it is produced in limited quantities I don't see this being a problem, and even then, I am not sure an LS7 Camaro would beat an LS2 Vette anyway.

As of right now do you think the GM guy's will ever make any kind on Camaro with 500hp? Just a question for fun thats all. :)

Whether GM does or not is up in the air. By that time, I surely wouldn't doubt it. If they don't do it, I'm sure there will be some outside companies that will. There has already been alot of speculation and hype regarding Saleen, GMMG, and Berger having some involvement with the 5th gen when it comes out.

I think that the GT500 is done after '08.

To be replaced by an even faster model, I'm sure. Hopefully it is one that is a better balanced car overall.

You can throw some more speculation and guestimation at it this way.

The GT500 (at ~3900lbs. and 500hp) is a low $40k car and the best stock time so far is 12.2x I believe, by Evan Smith. The C6 Corvette (~3200lbs. and 400hp) is a low $40k car and the best stock time is again in the 12.2 range. Bang for the buck, the Corvette wins that competition as it can do things in other performance arena's (track times, slalom, skid pad, braking, etc.) that the GT500 can't and it gets better gas mileage on top of that.

So, if you base your math on those two cars' weight and power, a Camaro weighing 3600lbs. and having 450-460hp would theoretically have the ability to run toe to toe with the current C6 Corvette and GT500 in the quarter mile. Then you could say the Camaro weighs 300lbs. less than the GT500 and could likely out perform it in other performance arena's. It will most certainly get better gas mileage.

Thus, if they could make said Camaro for low $40k in today's dollars then it would be the best bang for your buck.:)

Just a bunch of speculation, guessing, and approximating. But hey, its fun and it shows that it is certainly possible for a Camaro to compete with the GT500.

Lets all pray the Charger comes out with the 6.4L Hemi with 500hp, which will put lots of pressure on GM to release their own 500hp monster.

Lets all pray the Charger comes out with the 6.4L Hemi with 500hp, which will put lots of pressure on GM to release their own 500hp monster.

Dont you mean the challenger? :devil:

Dont you mean the challenger? :devil:

We keep forgetting about the Challenger. It may very well surprise us. For certain, it will be on the streets before the Camaro.

Dodge knows how to build a fast car. Dodge knows how to build a muscle car. Dodge also knows what the Mustang is all about. It wouldn't surprise me to see a GT500 thumping Challenger prowling the streets. Like the original poster said, I hope they do it. It ups the ante.

**EDIT**
Dodge forums say Challenger Mules to be on the street in April.

all i know is i want a gt500 killer, they better make me one!


They already do. It's called a Vette coupe. :D A standard vette has already beat it in a head to head. If you go for a 1X vette at today's discounts you can get one for less then a GT500's sticker. Whereas the GT500 still getting 15K markups. Why anyone would continue to pay more for less is beyond my comprehension. :confused:

GT500 wins because there is no Camaro to race... yet!

The Camaro is coming back?

I think if the market is there, they'll make one.
But the lower models have to sell, or the higher ones will be pointless except for the few that will actually spend the money for it.

And like Gui said, compare them when they come out.
with what Ford, GM and Dodge have up their sleeves, it COULD get real interesting... let's hope it does.

Read the sig... ;)

idk about camaro beating the gt500 well i hope it dose....but im pretty sure its safe to say the top camaro will out preform the other v8 rustangs

They already do. It's called a Vette coupe. :D A standard vette has already beat it in a head to head. If you go for a 1X vette at today's discounts you can get one for less then a GT500's sticker. Whereas the GT500 still getting 15K markups. Why anyone would continue to pay more for less is beyond my comprehension. :confused:

I guess it's obviously beyond your comprehension. And here's why.

1. The GT500 is a 4 passenger sports coupe. The Corvette is a 2 passenger sports car. One is based on a $20,000 high volume car. The other is based on a specially made chassis.

2. People who buy GT500s are hard core Mustang fans (as the people who would spend 40K plus markups on a similar Camaro would be hard core Camaro fans).

3. GT500s are made to be the top of the Mustang ladder. Corvette is made to offer exotic car performance at a fraction of the price.

4. The GT500 is the cheapest car on the planet (by far!) that comes with 500 horsepower and seats more than 2 people. It mods pretty nice and cheaply too.


If you still can't comprehend why people would buy a GT500, perhaps Motor Trend says it best:

With liveability factored in, the Shelby soars. The view from the driver's seat is airy, the driving position relaxed, headroom plentiful. Compromises are few; you'll only feel the heat if you turn up the climate temp. Unless you stomp on the right pedal, the GT500 doesn't behave like a supercar. You could happily drive it across the country (as we did: MT, July 2006). But when you want it to, the Shelby dons rocket fins. Will you miss the extra seconds of lap time the Viper and Vette trim off? Not likely. The Shelby GT500 is an exceptionally powerful, finely balanced, thoroughly satisfying supercar. And at a base price of $42,975, it's one of the world's great sports-car values.



http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0612_2006_sport_coupe_comparison/corvette_zo6.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_sport_convertibles_comparison/

Doesn't the GT500 run like high 12's?? Considering the Z06 hit 11.5 I am expecting a Camaro that hits mid to low 12's.

Base price under $43,000 for a Shelby GT500 my ass....base price on EBay right now is $58,000.....

They should get their information right.....

If money was no object I'd certainly pick up a blue/white GT500 and call Kenne Bell an the way home from the dealer. I could easily go for the GT500 and despite the price it is a hell of a car. It would be right at home next to the Ford GT, Z06, F430, Viper, Gallardo and 911GT3..... Back to reality!

Since money is a object I can only pick one I have to side with the Camaro.