Suggestions for the camaro

I dont know if this thread already exists or not but sorry if it does. Lets give some suggestions for the 5th gen camaro and maybe scott will read them and maybe pass them on.

Some of my suggestions is the RS and the Red inteior at this thread http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468516&page=2 dont know if it will get them RS grille but love if it does. One other thing i would like to see that i loved on the 1st gen on the RS Z28 SS is the emblems right beside the headlights on the front fender. I hope both rims from the coupe and convertable will be a option not as big but still offered.

How about color matching panels on interior. Example- A Black Camaro's interior panel pieces would be made of a high quality smooth plastic w/clearcoat. The pieces would be like the centerconsole/door trim/and certain parts of the dash. They would be painted the same color as the exterior color with a clearcoat finish. The PT Cruiser and VW beetle have this already I believe. This could be an option for higher models I would suspect like the Z28/SS models as it would be more expensive to produce then a conventional gray/tan/black interior. Also how about to add to this exterior/interior color matching trim what about Ambiencolor by this I mean the interior colored panels would house very small l.e.d.s or led strips that would cast a Ambient color shade on the panels. My idea would be a Black color panel would recieve a shade of blue ambient light to highlight these unique panels. You could also have an option of having like 20 primary color/variations. My point is this would be a little different then a neon light system. Where most neons shine too the dark floor area, or down the side of a door or cieling , the Ambiencolor system would highlight the panels only in a controlled manor. One More Idea...going with the colored interior trim for the second time- how about having trim pieces with the exterior body color painted on them/ a clear over that and on top of the clear coat how about a top cover piece for each interior piece made of a high grade clear lexan about a 1/4 inch above the painted pieces. This clear lexan top housing would hold leds also but since the light is captured, the panels would be highlighted alot more accuratley and you woulden't have scattered light throughout the cabin. Sorry for the long post just a few ideas/suggestions-rob One last thing the lighting features would only be intended for night use for such things as night driving/carshows/dragstrip pit lane and car cruises

Hey whats up guys, been away from the forum ahwhile. Well the convertible concept is exactly what I think this car should be. The interior is absolutely right on. the only thing i would recommend would be adjustable pedals. I know most people dont cars about that, but hey I'm 5'3". I love sports cars but they are uncomfortable to short guys. I had a 04 svt cobra and it was great. The only problem was that I had to push the seat so far forward to be comfortable with the pedals. therfore I couldn't even rest my elbow on the center console. Also getting out was a pain because my seat was so far forward. Besides the pedals I wouldn't touch a thing with that interior, even the colors and seats are slammin.

The exterior looks fine. I think they should offer different grilles for different models. hope they keep the mirrors down to a good size. The stripes if they come with it, hopefully are painted. Maybe like I said if there is different models SS, Z28, Special editions Yenko, COPO, that there would be a similar design in paint as to those cars of the past. All in all the vert concept hit it on the nail. I would just drive that car, except maybe some motor mods. Visually I wouldn't do a thing to it.

Maybe like I said if there is different models SS, Z28, Special editions Yenko, COPO, that there would be a similar design in paint as to those cars of the past.
SS? Yes.

Z/28? Yes.

Yenko? No.

COPO? No.

ZL1? No. (Sorry I added that one. :D)

SS and Z/28 speak for themselves. As I have said numerous times in the past, SS as the do-it-all performance model. Top end performance, luxury, coupe or convertible, 6-speed manual or auto. The choices are up to you. Z/28 as the road-racer ultra performance model. Coupe only. 6-speed manual only. Limited options, however, its not a stripper. (Think Z06.)

Yenko (Baldwin-Motion, Dana, Nickey, etc.) just doesn't fly. Here is why. Yenkos were special dealer prep cars. Sure some were available outside of the Yenko dealership, however for the most part they were mostly dealer prep cars. That is not to say that I am against dealers making special upgraded performance packages available. However they should be based off the SS and Z/28 packages already available through GM. Besides, the names are all copyrights of various individuals and companies outside of GM. If you think the royalties GM paid for IROC and Trans Am are steep, think of what they'd have to use "Yenko" or "sYc" on their cars. (If anyone doesn't even know what "sYc" signifies, end of discussion right there. ;) )

COPO? Since COPO stands for Central Office Production Order and since COPOs still exist today, that is a mute point. (In otherwords, not for a regular production model.) ZL-1? Not unless it has an aluminum big block. (You can argue all you want about the GMMG Phase III 427 LSx cars by the same name, I still don't think the name fits, nor is it appropriate to resurrect it again.)

Personally I'd rather see GM expand the options on as few of models as possible. Offer a "base" Camaro with several engine options. Start with a base V6, a slightly warmer performance V6 and a base V8 with AFM. Offer a sport package which adds bigger wheels, stiffer suspension and maybe ground effects. (Call it RS if you need to call it anything.) Offer one or two "LT" packages with leather, deluxe interior accoutrements, sunroof, chrome trim etc. Offer various levels of sound systems. Offer various aftermarket wheel and tire choices. Offer various stripe or paint packages so each individual can customize their new Camaro as they see fit.

Then offer the SS and Z/28 with their own set of options as well.

If you do it right, you really don't need more than three models of Camaro. (Not including the convertible, which would be available in "base" and SS only.)

Then leave the supercar versions to the folks like Saleen, Baldwin-Motion (Who have already hinted they would do a LS7 version) and GMMG.

You can keep it simple and still offer a slew of choices at the same time.

Anyway, that's my 2¢. :D

SS? Yes.

Z/28? Yes.

Yenko? No.

COPO? No.

ZL1? No. (Sorry I added that one. :D)

ZL-1? Not unless it has an aluminum big block. (You can argue all you want about the GMMG Phase III 427 LSx cars by the same name, I still don't think the name fits, nor is it appropriate to resurrect it again.)

I'm not sure I agree with that. For certain hard-core fans and rich wanna-be's a "limited edition" super car has appeal. You have to admit- a ZL1 badged Camaro with an aluminum 427 would be cool, even if the 7.0 isn't a big block. You could sell a bunch of them to the same people that buy Hemi clones for $100,000.

Then leave the supercar versions to the folks like Saleen, Baldwin-Motion (Who have already hinted they would do a LS7 version) and GMMG.


No arguments here. A new Camaro styled to look like one of the world's most iconic muscle cars? This car is a speed-shop marketing managers wet dream.
Do you smell that? That's the odor of every tuner company in the world wetting themselves over the thought of this car with their graphics at SEMA. Any idiot can crank out 600 horse with an LSx motor, so now they just have to market it right.

I'm not sure I agree with that. For certain hard-core fans and rich wanna-be's a "limited edition" super car has appeal. You have to admit- a ZL1 badged Camaro with an aluminum 427 would be cool, even if the 7.0 isn't a big block. You could sell a bunch of them to the same people that buy Hemi clones for $100,000.For the record, GM has never built a ZL1 badged Camaro. The original ZL1s had no badges. Kind of like the 1st year Z/28s (no badges and no engine displacement outside the hood) which actually looked like 6-cylinder plain Janes to which someone added runway stripes.

A limited edition super car is cool, and what I am saying and have been saying for quite sometime along with several others here is that Camaro should be the Z/28. However I'm not talking about a $100k super Camaro. (The market for that would be quite small.) I'm talking about a $40k+ Camaro that can smoke the Shelby GT500 and the Challenger. GMMG, Saleen and Baldwin-Motion can then build the $100k ultra-super Camaros then if they like, and sell less than 100 a year at that price. :rolleyes:

Pontiac paid the SCCA $20 per car. Not earth shattering. Never heard what IROC got for the Camaro, but I'm sure that it was reasonable at the time.

I think the point is that there will surely be "tuner" versions of the 5th gen AKA Saleen, Rousch, GMMC, etc. It's unfathomable that those guys won't get involved for what will most likely be the final glory days of internal combustion engine performance. :cool:

i said it before and ill say it again, quality modern interior thats alot different then the concepts thats for sure!

Since COPO stands for Central Office Production Order and since COPOs still exist today, that is a mute point.

The word you are looking for is "moot".

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The word you are looking for is "moot".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mootThank you kind sir. You are correct. I am merely a humble engineer. :irk:

Body color matching guages.
Body color matching guages.
Body color matching guages.


You know, like the ones in the GTO.

Also, please have a tan interior option.

For the record, GM has never built a ZL1 badged Camaro. The original ZL1s had no badges. Kind of like the 1st year Z/28s (no badges and no engine displacement outside the hood) which actually looked like 6-cylinder plain Janes to which someone added runway stripes.

A limited edition super car is cool, and what I am saying and have been saying for quite sometime along with several others here is that Camaro should be the Z/28. However I'm not talking about a $100k super Camaro. (The market for that would be quite small.) I'm talking about a $40k+ Camaro that can smoke the Shelby GT500 and the Challenger. GMMG, Saleen and Baldwin-Motion can then build the $100k ultra-super Camaros then if they like, and sell less than 100 a year at that price. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying GM did badge a car ZL1. I'm also not saying they should build a $100k Super Camaro.

I'm saying they should build a $50,000+ Camaro, they shouldbadge it ZL1, and they should sell it to people with more money than brains. A 427 and some badging shouldn't cost $15,000 more than an SS, but people would pay $15,000 more for it. Maybe.

Thank you kind sir. You are correct. I am merely a humble engineer. :irk:
It's a moo point. You know, like a cow makes. That's why it's not important.

:)

my suggestion-1.offer a stripper model with a big motor (ie. dodge dart with 383)
2.offer either a bolt in solid axle,or have as an option
3.slap the supervette motor (6.2L supercharged) into some version of the camaro

2.offer either a bolt in solid axle,or have as an option

I love the people who are already calling for a SAS and are not even going to give the IRS a chance. :rolleyes:

I'm saying they should build a $50,000+ Camaro,...
I agree. However, I don't expect it to cost quite that much, although after you add in options and dealer mark-ups, it may. :p
... they shouldbadge it ZL1,...
I disagree with you there. Outside of the small circle of enthusiasts, ZL1 doesn't have much of a marketing value. They should name such a car Z28. :D
... and they should sell it to people with more money than brains.
I'm sorry, but I do have more brains than money (I'm a professional engineer), however that is the Camaro I intend to purchase, should GM build it. While I'm not filthy rich, I am well off enough that I could afford such a car, if I make a few sacrifices.
A 427 and some badging shouldn't cost $15,000 more than an SS, ...
That has been debated. The cost of the LS7 vs. the LS2 is roughly $8000 depending on who you ask. However if you look at the Z06 Corvette vs. the Z51, there are several additional upgrades that offset the huge price difference. Those of us that are advocating the creation of the "Z28" are looking for similar differences between the Camaro versions as well. However as the LS7 will virtually be dead by the time a "Z28" could hit the streets, I'd actually prefer the LS9, which as I understand is a supercharged 6.2L (388? cid) LSx based motor that puts out similar hp to the LS7, and would probably be cheaper to build and maintain.
but people would pay $15,000 more for it. Maybe.I certainly would. :D

jg95z28- Let me start by saying that i agree with you in general, but there are a couple of specific things I disagree with.

I think the Z28 can be done for about $40k, and that there is a big enthusiast market waiting for it. Anything that looks good but will spank a GT500 for less money will sell just fine.

I believe the ZL1 has more marketing value than you think, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument. I believe that GM has a golden opportunity with the 5th gen. The car is generating huge buzz, and what better time to introduce a new marketing tag that doesn't cross historical precedent than now?

In the same way Ford has the Bullitt (a car named after a cult movie) we could have the ZL1. It would allow GM to sell a high-dollar car without creating expectations the way SS and Z28 do. To illustrate that think about the fact that there appear to be the only a couple of threads that really argues about the ZL1, but sometimes it feels like every single other thread on the board devolves into a Z28/SS debate.

My vision centers around GM taking a name that has been (up til now) lightly utilized and building a new marketing campaign around it. GM could basically define what a ZL1 was, and then position it to be a big(ish) money limited production vehicle. By the time 2010-2011 gets here $50k-$55k will be bottom end 'vette territory. That leaves room for a Camaro that isn't an SS, isn't a Z28, but is something new.

I have an opinion on what that car should be, but we can talk about that by PM.

My basic point is that ZL1 is such a small part of the Camaro world that GM could use that name to sell a few more cars while bringing huge positive press and halo buyers to the showroom. Not to mention the fact we get back-door 427 kits for our cars.

The question I'm basically asking is would it piss you off more to see a $55,000 SS with a 427 and 22" chrome rims called ZL1 or Z28?

I just don't see the LS7 in any Camaro from GM... period. By the time Camaro returns the LS7 will be dead.