Who's in for a V6 performance package?

This came up in the other monster Z/28 thread, but I think it's worthy of discussion on it's own.

Anyway, I'd be all for a V6 performance package. It'd have to be high value though, if it costs too much, might as well pop for the next level V8. Let's say $500 or less on the base car. Call it Y87, F41, whatever.

What could we expect for that? Certainly a retuned suspension, less restrictive exhaust, (probably just a different muffler), wheels?, retuned steering?

What else?

lsd

nitrous ;)

Stiffer stabilizer bars are an easy way to get a sportier feel out of a suspension without spending a lot of money.

I also like the idea of a different "sportier sounding" muffler, retuned steering, and whatever else you can throw in to help the suspension. It would be nice to have some badging as well. I doubt that there's much else you could do for $500.

A sport appearance package (with spoiler/ground effects and or wheels) could be separate.

Definitely some sort of intake and exhaust improvements. It would even be cool if they had a functioning cowl induction hood. An appearance package is a must in my opinion to distinguish it from the base model v6 car. But for a theoretical 500 dollars, I don't see a whole lot being added on.

For 500 bucks?? Maybe some fake carbon fiber stickers on the interior pieces...Maybe itll make you think your in a race car?? Thats all your going to get for $500.00 from GM :lol:

Eaton M90:)

suspension upgrades yes
but id has to have the numbers on paper to boot. at least 25 hp jump. maybe up displacement .1 or .2 liters. i think thatd be pretty good

How'd this get into the powertrain forum, this is more about suspension.

Anyway, 500 bucks is plenty. I can't remember what the 3rd gen F41 cost exactly, but I think it was something like 50 bucks, (maybe even abit less). It consisted of stiffer springs, shocks, bigger anti-sway bars, quicker steering ratio and some small stiffening braces. Quite the bargain, I'd say. The whole package was put together by the chassis engineers in one day, according to Michael Lamm's book. After they had developed the suspension tunes for Base, Berlinetta and Z/28 - they simply split the difference between Base and Z/28 for the F41.

An I6 w/ a hairdryer! I'd buy it!

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I'm really talking about an inexpesive package, for afew hundred dollars, that a bucks down enthusiast can add to his base Camaro.

If we're adding blowers, or turbos, or specific engines with slightly more displacement - cost wise, you might as well step up to a V8.

But If you can walk out of your local Chevy dealer, with near 300 hp, a six speed manual, upgraded brake pads, wheels/tires, firmed up suspension tune - for around $22,500 - $23,000, then we've got something.

I think the 3.6L HFV6 is probably more likely than any high-value V6 based on what I've read here and on C&G. In fact, the case could be made that GM is phasing out the high value engines altogether. Whatever the engine, I'd be a huge proponent (and potential buyer) of a high-performance V6 package. For $500 let's opt for "go" instead of "show"...we shouldn't bother with appearance items like wheels/ground effects/etc. Leave that stuff for a separate package. In addition to your list, Charlie, I might add a higher rear end ratio for quicker "launch feel" (to use GM-speak).

I'm all in for a performance 6 cylinder Camaro.
But seriously, $500? One of the rarer colors for a Corvette costs that much.
And that's just paint!!!

What we have to define is where this model belongs in the lineup.
Base....All Options Base....SS/Z28base....All options SS/Z28

obviously the base of the Camaro will most likely be a V6, so between base and all options base seems about right. But that doesn't show performance or dollar values.

I'd say it'll probably be a fair $1000 option for enough upgrades to make it fairly competitive with other V6s out there.

I think the 3.6L HFV6 is probably more likely than any high-value V6 based on what I've read here and on C&G. In fact, the case could be made that GM is phasing out the high value engines altogether. Whatever the engine, I'd be a huge proponent (and potential buyer) of a high-performance V6 package. For $500 let's opt for "go" instead of "show"...we shouldn't bother with appearance items like wheels/ground effects/etc. Leave that stuff for a separate package. In addition to your list, Charlie, I might add a higher rear end ratio for quicker "launch feel" (to use GM-speak).

Yeah, I'm guessing that the HV V6 won't be making it into the Camaro either. Here's some fun facts: the HFV6 is literally factory prepped for a turbo or supercharger, with it's forged bottom end, and piston oil squirters. If someone can crack the computer codes, the motor is built to take almost 400 hp.

And If I were GM, I'd already be developing a certified, dealer installed, blower or turbo kit for the V6 Camaro.

I just hope for a low priced base manual V6 that will be a good starting point for companies looking to upgrade the performance of the 6 and 8 (like mine). Base interior, base stereo, a/c power windows...... >22k.....

Let's say the V6 is 250hp, but is boost friendly up to say 14lbs (I know it is very wishful thinking, but why not). That along with additional fuel delivery wil make it capable of 500 hp. Even if it is not 14lbs ready, developing a set of Forged pistons might not be out of reach for some companies.

But now let's say the Mustang V6 gets the 3.5L duratec rated at 250 hp, Chevy will probably bump up the Camaro V6 a few more. Considering the 1993 Z had 275 hp, a 265 hp 6 would be awesome. Then I'd boost it still.

Man I can't wait.

I'm expecting quite abit more than 250hp.

Well, if you want a cheap thrill V6 performer, then hopefully GM will work with GMPP ahead of time and come up with a sound foundation that can be fitted with a number of bolt ons to suit everyones tastes and power needs. (Which needs expaned GREATLY!...ie;TRD etc..)And If I were GM, I'd already be developing a certified, dealer installed, blower or turbo kit for the V6 CamaroExactly!

Tho, I can't see them making a V6 stripper with a 300hp V6, (ie; bantom 1LE)...I don't see it being profitable. And it might border on overlapping the Solstice's/Cobalt/G5 target buyers.

I don't think we have to worry about overlap, at least not with those cars. The Camaro will be a much more of a daily driver than the Solstice - it can handle passengers and cargo without a fuss. And I think the Cobalt will still appeal to those who want a lighweight, fuel efficient, 4cyl coupe with some gusto. The G5 I'm not at all worried about since it will probably be gone by the time the Camaro hits dealerships.

lsd

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V6 performance ?
No thanks....to me a Camaro has to have a performance V8 to even be worth owning.
The last and only real "performance V6" from GM was last installed 20+years ago in the 86-87 intercooled Grand National/Regal T-Type.
Bring that monster back and MAYBE I'd be interested.
NOTHING less than that would interest me if it had less thn 8 cylinders.

V6 performance ?
No thanks....to me a Camaro has to have a performance V8 to even be worth owning.
The last and only real "performance V6" from GM was last installed 20+years ago in the 86-87 intercooled Grand National/Regal T-Type.
Bring that monster back and MAYBE I'd be interested.
NOTHING less than that would interest me if it had less thn 8 cylinders.

The TR's were cool, no doubt. I'd bet that the base Camaro will outpower them though.

The TR's were cool, no doubt. I'd bet that the base Camaro will outpower them though.

But will the base Camaro out-torque them?

But will the base Camaro out-torque them?

Not a chance.

LSD (G80?) is a must.

The base Camaro V6 may outpower a stock GN or TR, but the Turbo Buick 3.8 SFI engine (which NEVER should have been discontinued and replaced by the TURD stuporcharged 3800) for VERY little money doubles its HP from 240 to over 450hp.....that cannot be said about any other GM engine.
Dollar per HP it is probably the cheapest engine to get really high HP out of.

Camaro won't have a lesser V6 than the 2008 Malibu, this it will be at least a non-DI 3.6L DOHC HV. Maybe 275HP like the Acadia and Outlook.

Since Camaro is a sports car it needs to have more power than your standard Malibu or Camry, thus the 300HP+ DI 3.6L is a must as a base engine.

I love Turbo Regals too!..but,
I don't agree with the "TURD stuporcharged 3800" comment...have you owned any?
I do...(and just a "SERIES-I")..but everyone should drive one at least once...stock GS's have run 14's flat depending on equipment.
There are buick GS's running 10's...the motor is very similar to the LC2, the tranny is the weakest link...I already greneded my diff on my Park Ave "Ultra"SC-3800...15.70's@85mph fully loaded 4000lb+..
With Pulley, injector, pcm reflashes..300hp is very easy...add cam, head work, and supporting bolt ons doubling the hp is very doable.
You'd be surprised how many 12 second 4-doors are lurking out there...

There's no replacement for displacement, V8 or nothin' ;)

I wouldn't be interested in one personally, but if it helps sell more cars, why not.

I personally want a V8 Camaro, the sound & feel going through the gears and all...but the "gen-next", might?...

I am not.

V6 performance ?
No thanks....to me a Camaro has to have a performance V8 to even be worth owning.
The last and only real "performance V6" from GM was last installed 20+years ago in the 86-87 intercooled Grand National/Regal T-Type.
Bring that monster back and MAYBE I'd be interested.
NOTHING less than that would interest me if it had less thn 8 cylinders.

You have a legitimate point, and I myself will never own another V6 camaro, but remember there will be more V6's than V8's on the road so guys like us have limited input on the subject.

In reality, V6's today are a much more accepted and respected engine platform than in the past. They also have less of the negative stigma in regards to insurance and gas mileage despite many conflicting facts.

You'd be suprised how many people are just "Camaro" fans instead of just "V8" fans. And scion has shown us that customization and options can sell even the most underperforming car.

So i say, give the V6's some gusto options! It can only make the V8s seem all the more iconic so we can hear;

"Man! If the V6 can run like this, i cant imagine how fast the V8 is!"

Its a perfect window for an RS package. I belive that the Pony Package comes with the GT's suspension?
First, define a "base" V6 Camaro? Where would it start?
If we have a 275hp 3.6 V6 Camaro, I assume that the suspension will already be pretty tight as they want to make a solid car all around. An RS package could include an appearance package along with the SS's suspension upgrades, this deeming that the trim levels go LS/RS/SS/Z28. But handling is more then just some sway bars. How about upgrade the wheels? Would base come with 16's? If thats so, RS package could give us 17's as well. Now, we have 17 inch rims, bigger sway bars and a lower center of gravity, gfx...this is much more then 500 bucks. I would think that this might be more along the line of 1500 bucks, which IMO, would take it to 26-28k.
There are a hundred different ways you can go with trim levels. What would a base LS come with? I would assume that a upgraded mega-watt stereo will be another 600 dollar options. What about navigation? I guess it would be good to have as an option, but a costly one at probably 1500 bucks for the total package. I think that Camaro could/should be done like the new Malibu. That trim levels could be had at both V6 and V8 models, except for z28. RS would probably come with sporty seats from the SS...basicly it would be the SS non-supercharged version of the Camaro. Only thing that would seperate the RS from the SS is the V8 engine. You should be able to option both out along the same lines. Give the option to people who want a performing 6cyl Camaro. Not everyone who spends 28k will want the V8, but they have the option.

You have a legitimate point, and I myself will never own another V6 camaro, but remember there will be more V6's than V8's on the road so guys like us have limited input on the subject.

In reality, V6's today are a much more accepted and respected engine platform than in the past. They also have less of the negative stigma in regards to insurance and gas mileage despite many conflicting facts.

You'd be suprised how many people are just "Camaro" fans instead of just "V8" fans.

So i say, give the V6's some gusto options! It can only make the V8s seem all the more iconic so we can hear;

"Man! If the V6 can run like this, i cant imagine how fast the V8 is!"

I agree with Landon. I'm buying a V8, but a performance V6 should be a must. The price really could be kept to $500. All you would have to do is bolt on some stiffer springs and bigger sway bars and reflash the ECM. Those things are cheap to us, and GM get's a waaaayyyyy better price than we do. If you added a lsd and rims/tires you might be looking at a grand, but that's still pretty reasonable for some small HP gains and better handling/launch.

^^^agreed (and a fellow halo 2 fan eh?)

So heres what i have gathered from this thread for a V6 performance package

1) No more than 500-750 dollars
2) Only available on top V6 engine
3) Some sort of suspension upgrade
4) Some sort of visual addition (stripes, sideskirt, wheels, etc)
5) A minimal but significant power upgrade (intake, muffler, reflash, etc)

I can definately see a business case for this, especially after the success of the G85 performance package on the supercharged cobalts, but i don't forsee it being less than a thousand dollars because the performance package on the balt only got two add-ons (recaros and LSD) and it was 1500 bucks!!

as a current v6 owner I would love to see something like this, I took my base firebird and upgraded the exhaust, added an SLP takeoff LSD, hurst shifter, and a few other goodies. I would love to have a car that doesn't look any different from the base but gives me a little better launch and handling that goes along with the efficency of my v6
BUT for 500 - 750?? I just don't see that happening, the more options that are added the profit margin grows exponentially because the markup percentage increases. And with the cost of gas these days a high performance v6 "MIGHT" be in pretty good demand which means MORE dealer markup.

*EDIT* just looked at my sig, haven't posted here in quite a while much less changed that sig file

v6 would probaly be a good hit to the tuner people to.

v6 would probaly be a good hit to the tuner people to.

Though i agree it will be a hit, targeting the tuner crowd would be a mistake. GM simply has to many other "tuner-targeting" products ranging from the balts, to the solstice, sky, and G5 vehicles (and a rumored HHR SS :confused: :cry: :confused: ).

They would not want to canibalize potential top model sales just to sell a lowly base model with some kick. As we all know, the profit is in the SS models, not the LS/LT models.

Tuners want as much "go-fast" as they can get away with for the least amount of money. So buying a V6 camaro with options such as this is not going to be an option. They are either going to step up to the Base V8 or are just going to choose another cheaper vehicle.

Its simply just cheaper and easier to mod a forced induction four cylinder than it is to mod a heavy naturally aspirated V6.

An RS package could include an appearance package along with the SS's suspension upgrades, this deeming that the trim levels go LS/RS/SS/Z28.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4059782&postcount=8

Rally Sport is an appearance option. Period.

However, don't make any assumptions at this point in terms of what appearances COULD include!

;) ;) ;) (there's that winkie thing going again for those of you who are obsessed with such things!)



(opera windows and padded vinyl top are a definite 'no!')

RS is an appearance package. One Im assuming MAY be available on the SS and Z28 as well as the V6

There's no replacement for displacement, V8 or nothin' ;)

if GM followed your advise it would more like, nothing

No V6 = NO V8

For 500 bucks?? Maybe some fake carbon fiber stickers on the interior pieces...Maybe itll make you think your in a race car?? Thats all your going to get for $500.00 from GM :lol:

yeah take the $500 and give $300ish to mopar to get some good front end parts.. and then put the rest towards a K&N kit and maybee they'll even throw in some stickers

they should put intake/exhaust, optional appearance package, sport suspension, nicer wheels maybe, and badging.

I hope that if the Camaro gets a performance V6, it has dual exhausts. Do you think the base Camaro will get dual exhaust ?
I hope they do :D

I think some of you guys are missing the point. I'm really talking about an inexpesive package, for afew hundred dollars, that a bucks down enthusiast can add to his base Camaro.

If we're adding blowers, or turbos, or specific engines with slightly more displacement - cost wise, you might as well step up to a V8.

But If you can walk out of your local Chevy dealer, with near 300 hp, a six speed manual, upgraded brake pads, wheels/tires, firmed up suspension tune - for around $22,500 - $23,000, then we've got something.

That would be a car that I would look at. I like the sound of that.

I think its gr8 if GM puts in a HF V6, but I think the likely candidate for the V6 is the 3.6L v6

The V6 performance package should be strictly handling modifcations and maybe an emblem or two IMO. If you add performance mods you only push it towards the price of the V8 which will way outpower it no matter what.

but the Turbo Buick 3.8 SFI engine (which NEVER should have been discontinued and replaced by the TURD stuporcharged 3800)

GM was going FWD in the late 80s. The engineers at General Motors knew the transverse transmissions of that time would not stand up to the LC2's power. 10 years later, the L67 (Series II SC) was neutered from the factory because the potential was remembered, it's the only roots blown engine I can think of that didn't come with an intercooler from the factory (think Thunderbird Supercoupe, Lightning, Cobalt SS, 03-04 Cobra). That motor with a factory intercooler would push a w-body into the high 13s. Surely GM couldn't have these grocery getters romp on the LT1 f-bodies around at the time, just like the f-bodies are rated lower then the Corvettes are. Make sense?

i think there should be a V6, a v6 that looks nice and a turbo v6 with 425HP just to be different. this is so I only need a boost controller and tunning :D, and a Stall

Anybody still interested in the PV-6??

I was just thinking about this today. :yes:

I would definitely be in for a V6 performance package with just upgraded shocks/springs/swaybars, and, most importantly, BRAKES!! (Chevy, ya gotta be kiddin' me with single-piston front brakes on a 300-HP, 3,750-lb. car... Did you forget about the LT1 cars' brakes?? Sheesh!) True duals would be nice, too (we know the body will accomodate them).

If such a package were built, I would LOVE to see a comparison chart between a Performance Package V6 Camaro, with the above changes, vs. a $42,000 BASE model BMW 335i coupe. :eek:

Think about it... With no drivetrain modifications to the Camaro, you'd have 300 HP for both, similar weight, both RWD, both IRS, and the Camaro would cost ~$15,000 less, run on regular instead of premium gas, and get better gas mileage to boot!) I'd be in for sure. :cool:

a BMW is a status car, the camaro is just merely another chevy.

GM was going FWD in the late 80s. The engineers at General Motors knew the transverse transmissions of that time would not stand up to the LC2's power. 10 years later, the L67 (Series II SC) was neutered from the factory because the potential was remembered, it's the only roots blown engine I can think of that didn't come with an intercooler from the factory (think Thunderbird Supercoupe, Lightning, Cobalt SS, 03-04 Cobra). That motor with a factory intercooler would push a w-body into the high 13s. Surely GM couldn't have these grocery getters romp on the LT1 f-bodies around at the time, just like the f-bodies are rated lower then the Corvettes are. Make sense?

to me? no! I mean I believe you but the logic is retarded...

I was just thinking about this today. :yes:

I would definitely be in for a V6 performance package with just upgraded shocks/springs/swaybars, and, most importantly, BRAKES!! (Chevy, ya gotta be kiddin' me with single-piston front brakes on a 300-HP, 3,750-lb. car... Did you forget about the LT1 cars' brakes?? Sheesh!) True duals would be nice, too (we know the body will accomodate them).

If such a package were built, I would LOVE to see a comparison chart between a Performance Package V6 Camaro, with the above changes, vs. a $42,000 BASE model BMW 335i coupe. :eek:

Think about it... With no drivetrain modifications to the Camaro, you'd have 300 HP for both, similar weight, both RWD, both IRS, and the Camaro would cost ~$15,000 less, run on regular instead of premium gas, and get better gas mileage to boot!) I'd be in for sure. :cool:

Are they in fact single piston calipers? Pretty much everything now hows at least dual piston calipers. I figured they would use somthing like the 98-02 cars.

Yeah they have said "single-piston calipers on all wheels". This is not enough for a car with this much horsepower and weight if you don't want to be stopping in the middle of intersections!!! Lol ok maybe it wont be that bad, but GM MUST make a brake upgrade an option, or they will lose a ton of money for I know many people who want to upgrade their V6 brakes to like 3 piston Brembo's, some even 4. I understand those Brembo calipers are monsterous, so they could make it an option only for LT's w/ RS cause of the 20" wheels.

I am really thinking that it would be SO easy for GM to offer a special handling package for the V6 cars. The V6 cars get softer shocks, springs, and swaybars, plus the smaller wheels and brakes. How difficult would if be to include those upgraded features on the V6?

It would be the best handling Camaro of all time.

Or maybe just wait and see if there is anything like a Z/28 on the way, and then pull the suspension goodies off that car?

Of course at the same time I'm thinking that there would be a market for the smaller/lighter brakes and softer/lighter suspension from the V6 on a "drag pack" V8 car. Maybe, just maybe even include the M6's 3.45 gearset on the A6? That would likely be the quickest (factory) Camaro of all time.

I am really thinking that it would be SO easy for GM to offer a special handling package for the V6 cars. The V6 cars get softer shocks, springs, and swaybars, plus the smaller wheels and brakes. How difficult would if be to include those upgraded features on the V6?

That would likely be the quickest (factory) Camaro of all time.

Yeah that all sounds great to me, I really don't want to hassle with aftermarket upgrades (cause knowing me I will probably buy way more than I need and end up wasting a ton of money:p ), but I do want my Camaro to be pretty fast and have really nice handling and stopping distance and such. So PLEASE GM make this performance package avaliable!

A supercharged V6 would be cool. Idunno. I might just wait a year and get a SS when I can afford it. Current plans is for a LT1 with RS Package but would like the SS2 but $37,000 is a bit much for me now.

A V6 Performance package sounds great.

At 304 hp the V6 has loads of potential to be a great sleeper.

I would love to see GMPP offer a Supercharger package (good for 60-90 hp) for the V6 Camaro. Possible even some additional performance parts - such as free-flowing cylinder heads, larger Throttle Bodies, Ram Air/Col Air Induction, and a better flowing Exhaust system.

It would be great to be able to build a 350 hp N/A V6 Camaro (with performance parts). Or a 390-400+ hp Forced Induction V6 Camaro. So that V6 Camaro Owners could surprise Mustang GT & Challenger R/T Owners.

Let's see, for $500 or under, and at GM pricing, the only think that will afford is a shiny turbo chrome plate/sticker on the back. Or just stop by autozone and purchase for under $10. I say lets go crazy 80s retro on the 2010 and put designer rear window louvers on the back with the additional $350 option to color match the paint. ;):D

Well - Based on the options list - It looks as if Chevy has already planned for a Air Induction & Exhaust upgrades for the V6 Camaro.

But The 304HP V6 certainly should have some nice performance options - Such as the Following.

- Engine Performance packages - such as Ported & polished cylinder heads, larger throttle body, & Performance Cams
- A good Supercharger/intercooler combo.
- Upgraded Brakes - at least equal to the SS model
- Upgrade Springs & Shocks
- A good Nitrous System - with 50/75/100 hp shots.

Also another thought - using the 130hp/liter figure from the Turbo 2 liter Ecotec found in the Saturn Sky Redline/Pontiac Solstice GXP. The 3.6L DOHC VVT V-6 found in the 2010 Camaro would put out about 460 hp - which is more powerful than the LS3 V8 found in the SS.

I would love to buy a turboed V6... that would be sweet.

Personally - I wouldn't expect Chevy to offer a Performance Package thru the dealerships that has more than 25 hp and costs more than $1,000 -1,500. Any more and you would have some customers asking why not get a V8.

But it would be nice if you could get superchargers, and performance parts for the V6 thru GMPP.

i would go for the dealer supercharged/turbo v6 option for sure once again to be different bc the car still looks sweet just sounds alittle different when its ahead of you ;)

There was a factory performance pkg for the 4th gen 6 cyl camaro and firebird. It would be nice to see an upgrade pkg for the new 6cyl car also.

I would like to see an option, say a Street Performance Pkg with:
more gearing (3:45 or 3:73) and use the limited slip differential and un-equal half shafts with the automatic, larger rotors on the front with twin piston calipers, larger sway bars front and rear, 19" wheels and a switch to turn off the traction control. Almost all the parts are available now so it would be a fairly inexpensive pkg to put together.

A dealer installed pkg with: cold air intake, headers, X-pipe and retune would be sweet also and would really wake this little piglet up with both pkg's together.

Is any body out there.....does anyone still care?????