Should 20 inch rims be optioanl on the V6 Camaro?

I'd like to see it. It is also an easy way for GM to make a little extra money. 20's fit well on the Charger and Mustang, I expect the same from the Camaro.

I'd like to see it. It is also an easy way for GM to make a little extra money. 20's fit well on the Charger and Mustang, I expect the same from the Camaro.

I guess I have no problem with having them as optional equipment. I would never go for 20's personally, but if there are people out there that would like factory 20's, then make them optional. However, I don't see why you wouldn't just take the money you would spend on that option and get a set of aftermarket 20's. That way there are more options and you get a wheel that you want and are not just settling.

I don't think 20 inch wheels should exist :)

Depends on what is available on the top model I suppose. Whatever the case may be an optional wheel size should be available on the base.

I definitely think there should be optional rims for all model levels.
Sizes, styles, and finishes.

I really don't think 20"s should be an option for the v-6 or v-8. 17"s for the
V-6, and 18"s for the V-8. 19" rims are more expensive , harder to find tires for. 20"s look good , but are just too big in my opinion. I mean 20"s look good on the Charger and 300C but look how big those cars are. Granted the Camaro isn't going to be exactly small, but it will be smaller and it is a 2 dr. coupe afterall. Leave the 20's,22's and 24"s for the after market.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 17's or 18's as standard equipment on the base V6. 19's on the SS, and perhaps 20's or a staggered 19"/20" combo on the Z/28.

i like 15s

i like 15s

Well then enjoy your Aveo. ;)

I agree, 20's start creating a kinda ghetto look...not to mention accumulating rotating mass. And, I don't want the ground clearance of an SUV.

Don't forget Solstice comes with 18"s, Colbalts, Impalas, G6, Aura, GTO all come with optional 18"s

Holden sell cars with 19"s and so does Cadillac (V-series)

I agree with Z284ever, I think you are going to see V6 Camaros with 17 or 18" Standard (other $20K cars have them) V6 crowd is going to be less worried about rolling mass and more into looks. 20"s would be a hit on a $22,000 V6 Camaro.

I think the new Mustangs look great with 20"s
http://www.carsonexports.com/WebsiteApril2006/100_5063.JPG
http://www.carsonexports.com/images/parts/wheels/05mustang20s.jpg
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/mustangtuning/20-inch-anthracite-bullitt-2005.jpg

I guess I have no problem with having them as optional equipment. I would never go for 20's personally, but if there are people out there that would like factory 20's, then make them optional. However, I don't see why you wouldn't just take the money you would spend on that option and get a set of aftermarket 20's. That way there are more options and you get a wheel that you want and are not just settling.

GM doesn't make money on 3rd party aftermarket parts and you also don't get the GM warranty with them. GM has about 8 20" options for the fullsize trucks and they seem to sell well.

I think that 20" wheels are a touch too big on the Mustang, and I think I'll feel the same way about the Camaro.

As long as it's optional so that I'm not stuck with it, I'm fine with it being available for other people. :D

I think 18" wheels would be just about perfect. And since there's all that room in there, how about optional 14" rotors too? ;)

I think that 20" wheels are a touch too big on the Mustang, and I think I'll feel the same way about the Camaro.

As long as it's optional so that I'm not stuck with it, I'm fine with it being available for other people. :D

I kind of agree, 19" are perfect, but 19' tires are more expensive and harder to find than 20"s. I think 20"s would sell better too just because of the fade associated with the #

I kind of agree, 19" are perfect, but 19' tires are more expensive and harder to find than 20"s. I think 20"s would sell better too just because of the fade associated with the #
One more reason to get 18s. :D

GM doesn't make money on 3rd party aftermarket parts and you also don't get the GM warranty with them.

This is true; however, my response was not based on the premise that GM should be able to make money on the wheels. It was purely from a consumer preference standpoint.

GM has about 8 20" options for the fullsize trucks and they seem to sell well.

This brings up an interesting point. Perhaps they are able to offer them on trucks becasue the tires are naturally much larger. If they put them on a car from the factory, I wonder if they would be covered under the warranty due to the much higher liklihood that they will get bent because the tire is much more low profile than a truck. Perhaps this is a reason we have not really seen many 20" wheel options on cars.

This brings up an interesting point. Perhaps they are able to offer them on trucks becasue the tires are naturally much larger. If they put them on a car from the factory, I wonder if they would be covered under the warranty due to the much higher liklihood that they will get bent because the tire is much more low profile than a truck. Perhaps this is a reason we have not really seen many 20" wheel options on cars.

BMW does it, so does DCX now. GM just started putting 18" on non-performance and lower priced cars. I think with time they will do 20" on cars if that is what the market demands. I wouldn't be surprised if the next CTS is available with 20" rims. Of course the car need to be engineered to handle the larger wheel sizes otherwise you will have issues with braking and bent rims.

Price of replacement tires is a big factor to consider when buying a sports car like a Camaro.
How many people are willing to shell out $300 for each 20 incher vs. $200 for 18's respectively on average????
Maybe if they were buying a Corvette and money wasn't a big concern, yeah...
Optional???
Why not, just as long as I can opt for more reasonably priced, comparably performing(if not better) 18's...tho I will be buying an all buisness Z28!.
Conversely, I believe smaller 17's are out.
As you said, even small compacts have'em..

Price of replacement tires is a big factor to consider when buying a sports car like a Camaro.
How many people are willing to shell out $300 for each 20 incher vs. $200 for 18's respectively on average????
Maybe if they were buying a Corvette and money wasn't a big concern, yeah...
Optional???
Why not, just as long as I can opt for more reasonably priced, comparably performing(if not better) 18's...tho I will be buying an all buisness Z28!.
Conversely, I believe smaller 17's are out.
As you said, even small compacts have'em..


Exactly Camaro is traditionally the "poor mans vette" so who wants to buy a tire that equals our monthly payment.. :confused: And expecially on 4th gen cars, i personally didnt think the "salad shooter" and "snowflake" Rims were all that attractive anyways and for many people thats the first thing to go anyway!

Price of replacement tires is a big factor to consider when buying a sports car like a Camaro.
How many people are willing to shell out $300 for each 20 incher vs. $200 for 18's respectively on average????
Maybe if they were buying a Corvette and money wasn't a big concern, yeah...
Optional???
Why not, just as long as I can opt for more reasonably priced, comparably performing(if not better) 18's...tho I will be buying an all buisness Z28!.
Conversely, I believe smaller 17's are out.
As you said, even small compacts have'em..

Actually 20" tire for the mustang aren't priced too bad. They are almost the same as the last time I has to by 275/40/17 for my SS. Check tirerack.com for 255/35/20 which is what the Mustang would use. Lots of tire choice for under $150 and you can even get Kumhos for $111

Im not sure what the point of 20's are...

I guess I have no problem with having them as optional equipment. I would never go for 20's personally, but if there are people out there that would like factory 20's, then make them optional. However, I don't see why you wouldn't just take the money you would spend on that option and get a set of aftermarket 20's. That way there are more options and you get a wheel that you want and are not just settling.

I've honestly never seen a set of aftermarket rims that looked as good as nice stock ones. They just never look quite right.

I have many people try to talk me into new rims on my 2000 Xtreme. But I thought the stock ones looked great, and fit the vehicle perfectly.

I've honestly never seen a set of aftermarket rims that looked as good as nice stock ones. They just never look quite right.
So you're saying that you'd buy an LT1 with Salad Shooters on it, and you'd think that looks better than, say, a set of Torq Thrust II's from American Racing?

So you're saying that you'd buy an LT1 with Salad Shooters on it, and you'd think that looks better than, say, a set of Torq Thrust II's from American Racing?

LOL You're gonna have to actually show me what these wheels look like.

Salad shooters:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1993a.jpg

Torq Thrust II's:
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/Camaro42.jpg

Thanks Nate! ;)

Salad shooters:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1993a.jpg

Thanks Nate! ;)

Those could possibly rank as the worst wheel design in GM history.

Those could possibly rank as the worst wheel design in GM history.
I don't think so. I reserve that title for these:

http://www.cars.com/features/mvp/saturn/ion/images/main_ion.jpg

Salad shooters:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1993a.jpg

Torq Thrust II's:
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/Camaro42.jpg

Thanks Nate! ;)

Ok, I'm willing to admit, I like the 2nd pic better. Perhaps I should say NEW vehicles have wheels that generally look better on the car than aftermarkets.

I don't think so. I reserve that title for these:

http://www.cars.com/features/mvp/saturn/ion/images/main_ion.jpg

On another car I think they would look nice. I actually like them. That car on the other hand is ugly.

On a truck (in an appropriate size) they'd look nice.

The concept camaro is shown with 21 and 22" rims. 20" would be std. equipment if they use something that big. Personally I don't even know of many tire makers that make a 21" tire regardless.

Salad shooters:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1993a.jpg

Torq Thrust II's:
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/Camaro42.jpg

Thanks Nate! ;)

Those aren't the "salad shooters", those are the hub caps for steel rims that look somewhat similar. the salad shooters are aluminum and have a double line in relatively the same pattern.

I agree, 20's start creating a kinda ghetto look...not to mention accumulating rotating mass. And, I don't want the ground clearance of an SUV.

Speaking of, when I was taking pics of the 5th gen concept at the international car show here, I heard a bunch of comments about the wheels.

There were two crowds though, one was represented by an older man that was complaining to the woman showing the car about how the larger size is slower due to rotational mass and whatnot.

The other side was represented by the several "thuggish" types that were drooling over the massive wheel size. When the hostess told everyone how big they were they all looked impressed.

Maybe an option would be good, that way you can pull in both crowds.

As for me, I'm happy with 17s. Great balance between thinner sidewall and not having to worry about dodging potholes lest you damage the wheel. Plus the tires are a ton more affordable.

I'm guessing there will be 18"s stock on the 5th gen

On another car I think they would look nice. I actually like them. That car on the other hand is ugly.
Really? I think the plastic section in the middle of those wheels makes them look just awful.

Salad shooters:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1993a.jpg


Those are the V6 hub caps. They are not the salad shooters.

These are the salad shooters
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/1996_Chevrolet_Camaro_in_Venice,_California.jpg

Those are the V6 hub caps. They are not the salad shooters.

These are the salad shooters
Heh, right you are. I wasn't paying enough attention to the results of my Google image search. :)

I still think that the Salad Shooters have absolutely nothing on the TTII's.

I also still think that the wheels on the Saturn Ion are the worst wheels I've seen come from the factory in a long time.

Heh, right you are. I wasn't paying enough attention to the results of my Google image search. :)

I still think that the Salad Shooters have absolutely nothing on the TTII's.

I also still think that the wheels on the Saturn Ion are the worst wheels I've seen come from the factory in a long time.



you dnt even need to take the argument that far. one set is silver, the other set is chrome... nuff said.



-john

Speaking of, when I was taking pics of the 5th gen concept at the international car show here, I heard a bunch of comments about the wheels.

There were two crowds though, one was represented by an older man that was complaining to the woman showing the car about how the larger size is slower due to rotational mass and whatnot.

The other side was represented by the several "thuggish" types that were drooling over the massive wheel size. When the hostess told everyone how big they were they all looked impressed.

LOL 'Thuggish' types? I'm in no way 'thuggish' and neither is anyone I associate with. And most everyone I know thinks the large wheels look good.

I agree there should be options, but I know I'll opt for the largest wheel size available.

you dnt even need to take the argument that far. one set is silver, the other set is chrome... nuff said.



-john

I'll admit I'm in the minority here...

I hate chrome wheels. Much prefer Brushed Alluminum.

I think brushed aluminum and chrome may be over-done...
I do like the "smoked" treatment on the Cobalt SS wheels tho.
Or even some kind of anodizing treament, over a highly polished surface with "just a hint" of color that matches the car.
Or a combo of a smoked, anodized color perhaps....
And I'd take wider wheels over taller, like 9" up front and 11" at the rear. Too big in diameter can create a "cartoony" feel, to me.
Anyways, I heard, at the show, that it would likely end up with 18's up front and 19's out back....
...anyone confirm??

I think there should be an option for the v6, but definitely standard on the top-of-the-line, like the SRT-8, with optional smaller size for the top model.

With the high belt lines and tall trunks in current styling designs they need it. Otherwise the car would look like it has dinky wheels like a base econocar. Which is one reason the GTO didn't look that great to me, the distance from the top of the wheel opening to the bottom of the qtr window(belt line) is too great. On the Mustang they made up for that with pronounced flared qtrs(and fenders) on the car, so that helps.

No.

17s all around. Better traction, cheaper tires, smoother ride.

18s, only if the brakes won't fit behind the 17" rims.

I would rather see wider rims too or at least have room for wider wheels. Like 17x11 up front and 17x12 out back.

And make the rims not heavy.

It kind of depends on how tall the tires are going to be too.

The car should have at least 18's or 19's and idealy 20's. Anything less would not be up to 2009 styling standards.

Look at the gto and c5 with 17's. It definately looks out of date.

We should throw some 124"s on there. That'll impress the big wheelers.

Yes. So many of the crowd, who will be "pimping out their ride", will be interested in 20's. Any time I pick up any of the big wheel magazines there usually isn't even a mention of what engine the vehicle has. My thought is, there will be a huge market for these types, who could care less what engine is in it, and will opt for the V6, as long as they can get 8000 watts of stereo in there and some dubs, they'll be happy. For me, I'm very pleased with the car, and will put on what wheels I like. Speaking of wheels though, there are some pics floating around of the Camaro's wheels, with the center of the spokes hollowed out, and it looks awesome, and they don't look so big. I have it set as my backround. I think I got it from www.5thgen.org, it looks like he did what I said in another thread, with the white diamond stripes and blue. But there are all kinds of other colors, and configs.

Im not sure what the point of 20's are...

I'm glad I am not the only person who thinks this way.

The convertible concept looks pretty good with 21"s in the front and 22"s in back.

http://i.cnn.net/money/2007/01/04/autos/camaro_convertible_concept/camaro_cnvt.03.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news070104_01l+chevrolet_camaro_convertible_co ncept+right_side_view.jpg

i think it would look good on an suv but a sportscar?

The convertible concept looks pretty good with 21"s in the front and 22"s in back.


http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news070104_01l+chevrolet_camaro_convertible_co ncept+right_side_view.jpg

I really think the 22s in this one make it sit too high in the back.

for some reason I can't help but think of this when I look at the side profile...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g197/raisintwo/Chevy20SSR20022.jpg

22 = too high of a ride height

I think there could be serious issues w/ bent/cracked wheels. These cars will be quite popular, and for many a daily driver, so people will be driving these cars on all kinds of roads in all kinds of conditions. I'm going to stick w/ a "teen inch" wheel and not 20"+. Too big, too much a liability for GM on a passenger cars. SUV's have more tread to compensate for the increased wheel diameter.

No 20" rims on ANY model. I hate this huge wheels craze. Its dumb beyond comprehension. 19 max and not on the V6--it would just slow it down.

I believe too big will bring us a Ricer stereotype as well...and I think it's "trendy", which will pass.
I want a "timeless" stance, look...18's front w/slightly wider 19's rear, maybe, with the body hugging the tires as close as feasable..

I like 18's on some and 20's do look good on some cars but not for me. I blame hot wheels for this craze. But I have heard that these wheels and the high volume of sales help push the r&d to make them lighter so it also trickles down this performance to street type performance wheels for drag racing and such.

while the 21/22 combo may be to big...its just for the concept. And realistically, the newer cars are made to accomodate bigger wheels. Like someone stated earlier, the mustang and charger have flared fenders and such, so if you put a 17" wheel on there it would look out of place. theres no way it would fill out the fender at all. the 4th gens came with 16" rims which look way too small, but a nice 18" rim would fill out the fender well. With the 5th gen i would say a nice 19/20 combo would work well with the car without looking like this:http://rjohnson070187.tripod.com/monte.jpg

No I don't think 20 inch rims should be a dealer option on a V6.

20 inch rims should be available as an option on V6 Camaros. It makes no sense if a potential Camaro V6 buyer wants 20 inch rims but the only way to get them is on a V8 Camaro costing thousands of dollars more which the customer can't afford and therefore a Camaro sale is lost. The new Camaro should be as appealing to as many people as possible. Same with a stripe option. These should be available as options on V6 Camaros so potential Camaro buyers can make their V6 Camaros look hot without being forced to a buy a higher priced V8 Camaro in order to get these items on the car. The demand for a V6 Camaro could be surprising due to lower insurance rates for younger age Camaro buyers and also because of the ungodly current price of gas. Where this nonsense stops with the price of gas is any ones guess.

20 inch rims should be available as an option on V6 Camaros. It makes no sense if a potential Camaro V6 buyer wants 20 inch rims but the only way to get them is on a V8 Camaro costing thousands of dollars more which the customer can't afford and therefore a Camaro sale is lost. The new Camaro should be as appealing to as many people as possible. Same with a stripe option. These should be available as options on V6 Camaros so potential Camaro buyers can make their V6 Camaros look hot without being forced to a buy a higher priced V8 Camaro in order to get these items on the car. The demand for a V6 Camaro could be surprising due to lower insurance rates for younger age Camaro buyers and also because of the ungodly current price of gas. Where this nonsense stops with the price of gas is any ones guess.

your making a huge assumption that there uis any demand for such a huge rim. Even if it wasn't avavible---they can go tot he aftermarket. Headly gonna lose a sale--to some ricer twit!;) :p :D I hate huge rims!

im very concerned about what will happen with this car. The way chevy is marketing it, its going to end up being like the charger, 300, impala, and most caddys... Evrey drug dealers favorite car. I will not own a car with such a reputation. So Ford or Dodge may be getting an unexpected new sale in 2009. Unless i got the $ for a Vette by that time but ill be in College by then and my wife will just be getting out so thats doubtful. I love the camaro and ive loved it since the 3rd grade. Its the only car ive ever wanted but for GM to mutilate the car like this is wrong in my opinion. This car represents america not the hood y0! Ive always wanted to purchase a brand new camaro from the dealership and not a used one but my age didnt allow that. I sure hope I am able to still go to the dealership in 2009 to finally sit down with the salesman and leave with a brand new camaro z28. Cause after that rap video and this talk of 20, 21, and 22 inch wheels i dont see this looking pretty as an end result. Yes ive put on my flame retardent suit too cause i know its gonna get a little warm in here. So hit me.

im very concerned about what will happen with this car. The way chevy is marketing it, its going to end up being like the charger, 300, impala, and most caddys... Evrey drug dealers favorite car. I will not own a car with such a reputation. So Ford or Dodge may be getting an unexpected new sale in 2009. Unless i got the $ for a Vette by that time but ill be in College by then and my wife will just be getting out so thats doubtful. I love the camaro and ive loved it since the 3rd grade. Its the only car ive ever wanted but for GM to mutilate the car like this is wrong in my opinion. This car represents america not the hood y0! Ive always wanted to purchase a brand new camaro from the dealership and not a used one but my age didnt allow that. I sure hope I am able to still go to the dealership in 2009 to finally sit down with the salesman and leave with a brand new camaro z28. Cause after that rap video and this talk of 20, 21, and 22 inch wheels i dont see this looking pretty as an end result. Yes ive put on my flame retardent suit too cause i know its gonna get a little warm in here. So hit me.

Well, just to give an opinion of someone who is HARDLY from the 'hood'...

The styling of the 5th Gen lends itself well to the larger rims.

I'm far more of a 'preppy/club/geek' kinda person. And I love the large rims.

Large Rims doesn't = Drug Dealer... I work in a state prison, and large rims are just as popular on the right side of the law as they are on the wrong side.

**** They Should Just Lift The Shoes Up On The Camaro And Put 22's On Back And 20's On Front ****......I'm Def Gon Cop The Z28 Or SS With All The Good Shizz

im very concerned about what will happen with this car. The way chevy is marketing it, its going to end up being like the charger, 300, impala, and most caddys... Evrey drug dealers favorite car. I will not own a car with such a reputation. So Ford or Dodge may be getting an unexpected new sale in 2009. Unless i got the $ for a Vette by that time but ill be in College by then and my wife will just be getting out so thats doubtful. I love the camaro and ive loved it since the 3rd grade. Its the only car ive ever wanted but for GM to mutilate the car like this is wrong in my opinion. This car represents america not the hood y0! Ive always wanted to purchase a brand new camaro from the dealership and not a used one but my age didnt allow that. I sure hope I am able to still go to the dealership in 2009 to finally sit down with the salesman and leave with a brand new camaro z28. Cause after that rap video and this talk of 20, 21, and 22 inch wheels i dont see this looking pretty as an end result. Yes ive put on my flame retardent suit too cause i know its gonna get a little warm in here. So hit me.
Wat Tha ****......So If U Have Rims Over 20 Inches Then Your A Drug Dealer.......That's Tha Dumbest Thing I Heard In A While......I'm From The Hood And I Got A Camaro On 18's I Was Thinkin' About 20 Inch Irocs But I Really Like Tha 18's.....But I Would Rather The Rims To Be 20 Inch And Over....And Please Don't Say **** Like That Cuz That Is Stupid Ass ****......Watts Up!!!

Wat Tha ****......So If U Have Rims Over 20 Inches Then Your A Drug Dealer.......That's Tha Dumbest Thing I Heard In A While......I'm From The Hood And I Got A Camaro On 18's I Was Thinkin' About 20 Inch Irocs But I Really Like Tha 18's.....But I Would Rather The Rims To Be 20 Inch And Over....And Please Don't Say **** Like That Cuz That Is Stupid Ass ****......Watts Up!!!


Wow, nice grammar/spelling.

I guess you must be from "the hood" to type like that. Very convincing. :rolleyes:

Wow, nice grammar/spelling.

I guess you must be from "the hood" to type like that. Very convincing. :rolleyes:
Believe It Or Not......I Used To Stay In Watts But Now I Live In Vegas.....HaHa....I Don't Care If U Believe Me Or Not

Wat Tha ****......So If U Have Rims Over 20 Inches Then Your A Drug Dealer.......That's Tha Dumbest Thing I Heard In A While......I'm From The Hood And I Got A Camaro On 18's I Was Thinkin' About 20 Inch Irocs But I Really Like Tha 18's.....But I Would Rather The Rims To Be 20 Inch And Over....And Please Don't Say **** Like That Cuz That Is Stupid Ass ****......Watts Up!!!
:eek: LMFAO! I rest my case

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I Wantz Sum Twennyfo'z On Dat Bischhezzzz!!!!

im very concerned about what will happen with this car. The way chevy is marketing it, its going to end up being like the charger, 300, impala, and most caddys... Evrey drug dealers favorite car. I will not own a car with such a reputation. So Ford or Dodge may be getting an unexpected new sale in 2009. Unless i got the $ for a Vette by that time but ill be in College by then and my wife will just be getting out so thats doubtful. I love the camaro and ive loved it since the 3rd grade. Its the only car ive ever wanted but for GM to mutilate the car like this is wrong in my opinion. This car represents america not the hood y0! Ive always wanted to purchase a brand new camaro from the dealership and not a used one but my age didnt allow that. I sure hope I am able to still go to the dealership in 2009 to finally sit down with the salesman and leave with a brand new camaro z28. Cause after that rap video and this talk of 20, 21, and 22 inch wheels i dont see this looking pretty as an end result. Yes ive put on my flame retardent suit too cause i know its gonna get a little warm in here. So hit me.

Yeah big wheels like 20's, 21's, and 22's make about as much sense as a 400 horsepower camaro needed aftermarketparts to make them faster or performance packages offered by gm, cause lord knows that the two to three thousand that the DRUG dealer types spend on their rims and tires pales in comparison to the tens of thousands that non DRUGDEALER types spend modding their street legal cars to bypass the 30 40 50 60 and 70mph speed limits, my god the big wheel thing is the dumbest thing in the world especially when you got guys out on the street with their open header cars as daily driver.....its called personal preference if you don't want it don't buy it if they are offered by gm so what if you want them buy them if not get the 13 inch 14 inch or 15 inch wheels hell it's your money if someone can't afford a v8 and wants the factory wheels they should be able to get them believe it or not there will be a whole hell of a lot maore v6's sold than v8's it's a fact..so actually if it wasn't for the v6 people we wouldn't have a 5th gen....I'm ranting but don't let so much of the red show on your neck but hey, do what it is that you do were all big boys

Yeah big wheels like 20's, 21's, and 22's make about as much sense as a 400 horsepower camaro needed aftermarketparts to make them faster or performance packages offered by gm, cause lord knows that the two to three thousand that the DRUG dealer types spend on their rims and tires pales in comparison to the tens of thousands that non DRUGDEALER types spend modding their street legal cars to bypass the 30 40 50 60 and 70mph speed limits, my god the big wheel thing is the dumbest thing in the world especially when you got guys out on the street with their open header cars as daily driver.....its called personal preference if you don't want it don't buy it if they are offered by gm so what if you want them buy them if not get the 13 inch 14 inch or 15 inch wheels hell it's your money if someone can't afford a v8 and wants the factory wheels they should be able to get them believe it or not there will be a whole hell of a lot maore v6's sold than v8's it's a fact..so actually if it wasn't for the v6 people we wouldn't have a 5th gen....I'm ranting but don't let so much of the red show on your neck but hey, do what it is that you do were all big boys

Heres a tip: read all of the post you are replying to so your responce isnt totally off. My issue isnt purely with the wheels and if its a v6 or v8. You kinda spun yourself up and went your own way with that post. Its the marketing stratigy GM is using. When this car comes out, i wouldent be suprised if i see em running around town with spinners, hydrolics or airbags. Its the type of people that they are marketing it towards. The reason why i say drug dealers, is not because i say evreyone that listens to rap is a drug dealer but because mainly people that listen to rap are punk kids and dont have any money because they are buying drugs from the drug dealers. Get what im saying? Dont even think of turning this into a race thing either because thats not what its about. Its a rap culture thing. White, black, hispanic, indian, asian, you name it. I just thought id throw that out there before someone desides to try and pull that card. The camaro isnt a car you deck out with TVs, 45 inch spinner wheels, airbags, chrome evreywhere, 10,000 watt sound systems and whatnot. Its a muscle car. What im saying is im worried that the car will lose its roots completly.

im very concerned about what will happen with this car. The way chevy is marketing it, its going to end up being like the charger, 300, impala, and most caddys... Evrey drug dealers favorite car. I will not own a car with such a reputation. So Ford or Dodge may be getting an unexpected new sale in 2009. Unless i got the $ for a Vette by that time but ill be in College by then and my wife will just be getting out so thats doubtful. I love the camaro and ive loved it since the 3rd grade. Its the only car ive ever wanted but for GM to mutilate the car like this is wrong in my opinion. This car represents america not the hood y0! Ive always wanted to purchase a brand new camaro from the dealership and not a used one but my age didnt allow that. I sure hope I am able to still go to the dealership in 2009 to finally sit down with the salesman and leave with a brand new camaro z28. Cause after that rap video and this talk of 20, 21, and 22 inch wheels i dont see this looking pretty as an end result. Yes ive put on my flame retardent suit too cause i know its gonna get a little warm in here. So hit me.

Heres a tip: read all of the post you are replying to so your responce isnt totally off. My issue isnt purely with the wheels and if its a v6 or v8. You kinda spun yourself up and went your own way with that post. Its the marketing stratigy GM is using. When this car comes out, i wouldent be suprised if i see em running around town with spinners, hydrolics or airbags. Its the type of people that they are marketing it towards. The reason why i say drug dealers, is not because i say evreyone that listens to rap is a drug dealer but because mainly people that listen to rap are punk kids and dont have any money because they are buying drugs from the drug dealers. Get what im saying? Dont even think of turning this into a race thing either because thats not what its about. Its a rap culture thing. White, black, hispanic, indian, asian, you name it. I just thought id throw that out there before someone desides to try and pull that card. The camaro isnt a car you deck out with TVs, 45 inch spinner wheels, airbags, chrome evreywhere, 10,000 watt sound systems and whatnot. Its a muscle car. What im saying is im worried that the car will lose its roots completly.

Pretty much you have to worry about everything because the bottom line is profits pure and simple. The tone that you took does smell a little of I'll just say elitist, so as not to step on toes, anyway hey signs of the time are signs of the time and truly the only thing that a purist can do is stay true to whatever it is that brought one into the fold, I don't personally see anything wrong with offering whatever size wheels they want to put on the camaro because, believe me someone will go two or three steps further than that...I understand the camaro is a Icon I miss mines everyday and it's worse when I see or hear one, but everyone does not treat such sacred thing as sacred...to alot of people it is just a car and to a few fateful it is truly an icon .All i am saying I am willing to bet that there are old school guys on the sight who have thought the trends after them there was something stupid about them, that's personal opinions I respect that but most trends are generated from dollar signs and if the rap generation couldn't afford it as you say there would be no market for it, there are old grandmothers that I've seen on all sizes of rims frow 22 inch on down and they have been white and black...Hey you love the camaro and I do also but so if it''s about love of the car lets just love the car....

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.....man, I haven't seen that in a long time.....classic. I'm going to search for the vid as soon as I post!

no.

I guess I am in the minority here, but I can't see a purpose for 20 in wheels for any car the size of the Camaro.

Perhaps I'm not aware of new wheel or tire technology that would relate to unsrpung weight, ride, or handling?

why are the aluminum wheels on my car called "salad shooters"?

I've not heard the term before.

why are the aluminum wheels on my car called "salad shooters"?

I've not heard the term before.

A salad shooter is a kitchen appliance that chops up greens for salad. The wheels in question look a little like the mechanism inside.

A salad shooter is a kitchen appliance that chops up greens for salad. The wheels in question look a little like the mechanism inside.

they're not the best looking wheel, but they are light wieght, durable, and 16 in combines a wide footprint, good handling, and good ride. I don't know why Chevy didn't go for a 5 spoke, tork thrust look. Chrome was cool a few years ago but now prefer a grey center & polished rim. Glad I just kept it original.

If you don't like the rims your new camaro comes with, then buy new ones! This is an aftermarket community! Its kind of childish to base a car purchase on such an easily changed out part.

And its not like you'll have trouble selling your stockers. GM 18" rim replacements can go upwards of 800 dollars a rim!!! Ebay is your friend! You'll probably MAKE money on the deal.

Also, to those of you concerned with additional rotating mass. Remember, gearing can be adjusted to make that extra diameter basically irrelevant. And you know that GM is going to be spending ALOT of time on the gearing of a 3700+ lb V8 car in todays marketplace.

This isn't the 90's. So 19-20 inch rims don't weigh 40lbs each anymore. Its called forged alluminum. Ask your teenager, cause god knows there are enough fast 4-bangers with 20's around here to prove my point.

This isn't the 90's. So 19-20 inch rims don't weigh 40lbs each anymore. Its called forged alluminum. Ask your teenager, cause god knows there are enough fast 4-bangers with 20's around here to prove my point.

I have yet to see an even remotely fast 4-banger with 20's. Biggest wheels I've seen on one I would consider fast were 18's. It was a modded EVO.

I have also yet to see any ricer around here that could afford to pony up for forged wheels.

Maybe your area is different...

Also, to those of you concerned with additional rotating mass. Remember, gearing can be adjusted to make that extra diameter basically irrelevant. And you know that GM is going to be spending ALOT of time on the gearing of a 3700+ lb V8 car in todays marketplace.

you are trying to make the case that chaning gearing is irrellevant?

you are trying to make the case that chaning gearing is irrellevant?

Can you even read? That's so far from what he said, it's not even funny.

That said, I disagree with LandonElf's claim that additional rotating mass can be negated by gearing. You can compensate for lost acceleration with gearing, but additional rotating mass does more than just hurt acceleration.

Can you even read? That's so far from what he said, it's not even funny.

That said, I disagree with LandonElf's claim that additional rotating mass can be negated by gearing. You can compensate for lost acceleration with gearing, but additional rotating mass does more than just hurt acceleration.

uh, he said that rolling mass could be made up with gearing? Now youre screwed on the top end which is retarded. I dont want a drag car. So go ahead, enlighten me...

uh, he said that rolling mass could be made up with gearing?
Yes, that's essentially what he said.

Now youre screwed on the top end which is retarded. I dont want a drag car. So go ahead, enlighten me...

That is one of many reasons that changing gearing does not completely compensate for additional rolling mass. However, the top speed of a car is largely irrelevant -- how much time does a typical owner spend at their car's top speed? Even less time than they spend drag racing, that's for sure.

Here are a handful of other negative effects caused by increasing the weight of the wheels, none of which are addressed by changing gearing:
- increased unsprung weight negatively affects ride quality
- reduced tire profile negatively affects ride quality
- increased overall mass negatively affects braking and handling performance
- increased rotating mass negatively affects braking performance

That's just a start...

Yes, that's essentially what he said.



That is one of many reasons that changing gearing does not completely compensate for additional rolling mass. However, the top speed of a car is largely irrelevant -- how much time does a typical owner spend at their car's top speed? Even less time than they spend drag racing, that's for sure.

Here are a handful of other negative effects caused by increasing the weight of the wheels, none of which are addressed by changing gearing:
- increased unsprung weight negatively affects ride quality
- reduced tire profile negatively affects ride quality
- increased overall mass negatively affects braking and handling performance
- increased rotating mass negatively affects braking performance

That's just a start...

Now were on the same page. I never said anything about top speed, I said top end. Now youre winding out the gears when before you would be just cruising. Lower gearing would cause worse gas milege. I guess I have a problem with the word irrelevent in that post. Sounds like an easy way to loose sight of a mission statement. Adjusting gearing is very signifigant...

If they make the V6 with 302 hp like I would like them to, then yes, especially to clear the larger brakes to go with the grunt.

A camaro, to me, is a performance car. I believe 20s aren't optimal for street, drag, or autoX. For looks, go for it, if that's your thing. personally, I think 20s are too big for a car...any car.

The camaro is a god damned MUSCLE CAR. For Christ sakes let it BE a MUSCLE CAR! If you want something ghetto fabulous then buy a SUV and drop it wit tha twennyfo's!
:rolleyes:

die thread

The camaro is a god damned MUSCLE CAR. For Christ sakes let it BE a MUSCLE CAR! If you want something ghetto fabulous then buy a SUV and drop it wit tha twennyfo's!
:rolleyes:

die thread


Thank you

18" should be the limit. 20s look stupid.

Got this mixed up and posted this on another thread, but meant to post it here:

I think this mule shot gives you an idea of what we can expect wheel size wise.

http://www.automochatter.com/images/ve.jpg

I have no idea of course, which model this is...???

personally I think 19" an up are for people interested in looks (some demographic group that likes cartoonish looking cars, not everybody) and don't have any value from a performance standpoint, specially if you are going to have a lowly 6 cylinder engine moving them, as someone said 20s look stupid.

The base six should have simpler wheels, probably 16s to differentiate from the Z28 or any SS model that might be offered.

I've read a number of times that the car has been engineered to take 24inch wheels. The concept may have larger-than-usual wheels, but they aren't far off base in my opinion. My Monaro came with 19inch wheels from the factory - and the VXR8 comes with 20s. Given those gargantuan wheel arches anything smaller than 19/20 (staggered) is going to make the car look like a tonka toy.

I for one, love the concept look and will aim to get as close as I can to that look. I hear the wheels may be available in the parts catalogue... :P

i hope 20 inch wheels are not an option

i hope 20 inch wheels are not an option


I've never understood the desire to not have something as a OPTION.

I can understand saying you don't want 20" wheel STANDARD, but not allowing someone else to have what THEY want because you don't want it makes no sense.

I didn't read the whole thread but, 20 inch tires aren't ungodly expensive anymore. A cheaper tire for my truck is about $135. Sure. more expensive than tire for a civic, but certainly not the $300 a pop I have seen mentioned in this thread.

Ok I just read the whole thread, and now my whole head hurts. A lot of close minded white males in here, thats for sure.

A 20" tire for a performance car, even if its a kumho or a cooper (read: cheap), is going to be at least $150, and a BFG, michelin, or pirelli will be easily $300. Look on tirerack.

http://www.shelbyforums.com/forums/shelby-news-forum/2607-shelby-cs6-mustang.html

Here's some of the oh so ghetto 20" rims.. on a V6 no less!

(looks pretty wicked cool too me.. )

Ok I just read the whole thread, and now my whole head hurts. A lot of close minded white males in here, thats for sure.
Das aight... You can have y0 twennies and I'll juss bust your ass w/ my lowly LT1 from a roll or a dig. In front of y0 gurl. What now!

i dont see why they couldnt be an option for the v6. especially if it is something extra you can ad to your package like a 1le upgrade. good luck spinnin those 20's though.

i dont see why they couldnt be an option for the v6. especially if it is something extra you can ad to your package like a 1le upgrade. good luck spinnin those 20's though.



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I like my 16" rims - maybe 17/18 wouldn't be TOO bad, but yuck on the 20"s....

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I like my 16" rims - maybe 17/18 wouldn't be TOO bad, but yuck on the 20"s....

If they over all tire hight is anything like a Mustang or 300 then 16" would look very dumb. Even 17" don't look that good on Chargers and 300's.

Another example is how much better the Mustang GT500 KR looks compared to the regular GT500

KR w/ 20"s
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/E/k/ny_08_ford_gt500kr.jpg

GT500 18"s
http://www.mustangevolution.com/mustang-pictures/media/2613/large/1_2008-shelby-gt500-vapor-5.JPG

why not, it's just more money for GM.

If they over all tire hight is anything like a Mustang or 300 then 16" would look very dumb. Even 17" don't look that good on Chargers and 300's.

Another example is how much better the Mustang GT500 KR looks compared to the regular GT500

KR w/ 20"s
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/E/k/ny_08_ford_gt500kr.jpg

It looks like ass. It's an oversized ghetto hotwheels car. As stated.. it's better to "look good" than to feel good. Unless you use something like the MT drag radials on those oversized pieces of **** and like to replace those drag radials every few months (assuming it would be a daily driver) you're going to get your ass cracked by cars with significantly less power... of course most all races anymore r frums a rollz, y0! :rolleyes:
why not, it's just more money for GM.
And Tire Rack or NTB or any other tire joint.

Tru dat!:bow:


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It looks like ass. It's an oversized ghetto hotwheels car. As stated.. it's better to "look good" than to feel good. Unless you use something like the MT drag radials on those oversized pieces of **** and like to replace those drag radials every few months (assuming it would be a daily driver) you're going to get your ass cracked by cars with significantly less power... of course most all races anymore r frums a rollz, y0! :rolleyes:

And Tire Rack or NTB or any other tire joint.

Wow. Sounds like someone has been bench racing too long. Sure, in theory, large wheels will slow you down. But, ONLY if they weigh more. Those (forged) 20s on the KRs might weight the same (or even less) as the 18s on the GT500. If so, there would be almost no noticeable performance difference.

Given equal weights, there is far more performance difference in the tire you put on the rim, than the rim itself.

Just for some more fodder for your bench racing (even though it is on a a Cayenne S... link (http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtests/10494/porsche-cayenne-s-page3.html)):

we upgraded SportTechno 20-inch ...wheels ...high-performance 275/40R-20 Michelin 4x4 Diamaris tires. ...each of the larger wheels and tires weighed ...[the] same as the 18s—yielding identical 0-to-60 and quarter-mile times. ...increased skidpad grip,... a massive 0.88 g, up from 0.82. Braking... improved significantly, from 181 to 165 feet. The up-size wheels sharpened steering response noticeably but worsened ride quality....

Of course, if you are talking about the cast iron chromed out rapper rims, then that might be a different story. But, anyone driving with those doesn't care about getting "beat" anyway -- so who cares?

And, just for the record, tiny, undersized wheels can look like "ass" (like a lifted truck) just like overly large wheels can -- it is all about the tire on the rim and the stance of the car.

Some 20s can look great on a Mustang (well, for those not clinging to "the good old days" of tiny brakes and heavy cast rims), yet others can look awful (especially without lowering).

considering how many V6 Mustangs I see rolling around on 20's it's a no-brainer.

Make 20's exactly like the prototype's wheels and people will opt for them probably in droves. In fact, make some other styles and probably a big chunk of V6 Buyers will opt for them.

For me, whatever is needed to clear the brakes and does not have a huge sidewall. I also don't want a huge gap between the wheel opening and the tire though.

Given equal weights, there is far more performance difference in the tire you put on the rim, than the rim itself.

Paging the Rim Militia. Rim Militia, please come to the 2010 Camaro Exterior Discussion forum.

It's called a wheel. :p

hhhmm. some useless posts in here. read the whole thread. my head hurts.

folks, base your assumptions on facts & past & present history:

-the Mustang V6 is the biggest seller = Camaro V6 has to compete to keep the V8 platform economically feasible.

-the Mustang V6 looks HOT but is cheap & easy on the wallet = Camaro V6 has to compete

-20's are a standard size, they are the only size an OEM would want to saddle a consumer with. Remember when the Mustang came out with a one off Metric sized tire, and it cost BUCKETS of money?
20's are on everything non GM: Hemi Rams, Chargers, SRT's, Mustangs, and aftermarket everthing else. the price of 20's is reasonable.

-remember when 17's were big money? but now they are the "standard" size rims & tire prices are really reasonable for low end tires. most consumers pick cheap stuff, no matter what. (I have cheapo Kumho's on my SS because it sits more than it gets driven)

-Camaros must have the same size tire front & rear, remember only the Corvette had staggered rims for years. it costs MORE money to have dedicated directional tires, and the Camaro has to be PROFITABLE. Staggered rims & tires make a platform expensive.
the Corvette almost always has smaller tires on front (easier to drive, don't follow ruts, less wind resistance) but the camaro has all 4 same (able to rotate, cheaper to replace, cheaper & larger selection)

history will repeat itself:
-the V6 will have to look cool,
-it will have some stripe/rim/tire/spoiler packages (RS?) to spice it up and boost profits.
-the tires will match front and rear to cut costs.


how many cars do you REALLY see with aftermarket rims?
think about it on the way home, watch the cars, and think of it as a percentage.
i bet less than 5% of cars on the roads have aftermarket rims.

it's just too expensive to buy a new car, insure it, feed it with $3 a gallon gas, and put a bucket of money into new rims.

everyone wants to "sign and drive" now a days, and GM will oblige them with 20's of some sort.

i don't think you will see staggered rims, even on a Z or SS, unless SLP puts them on.

Wow. Sounds like someone has been bench racing too long.
Ugh... that's not the point. Bench racing? :lol:
What you've stated (ie "bench racing) is a perfect example as to why I SO look forward to this new generation and the ignorant who buys one because they'll learn the hard way it's not the fastest thing on the planet.
Most everything you state is hot air. You line up your barge w/ do's twennies against a car w/ a drag radial on a 15" tire you're going to get your ass cracked on the street or strip. Buy it, go to the track. Learn from your mistaken logic as you run your blazing 2.4sec 60' times, but oh I'm sure it'll be much tYt3r on tha street. :lol: Go ahead and have your ghetto "twenniezzz". As stated, it better to "look good" than to feel good.
If I'm a bench racer... what does that make you quoting magazine articles where damn near all of your posts are housed in this very forum? lol :rolleyes:... Sonds like a winner to me...
And yeah.. when you put king sized cartoonish oversized fender wells on a car, small wheels can look like ass...
If I do see a new generation camaro w/ tha twenniez on it I will laugh very hard and proceed on cracking that ass with either my 15's, 16's or even my 17's as they lamely attempt to tell me how their sooper twenniez are tyt3 wit tha traxion, y0!

how many cars do you REALLY see with aftermarket rims?
think about it on the way home, watch the cars, and think of it as a percentage.
i bet less than 5% of cars on the roads have aftermarket rims.



depends on the car,

Mustangs, about 30 percent.
Corvettes about 20 percent.
Camrys about 1 percent.

Tahoes, about 40 percent.

depends on the car,

Mustangs, about 30 percent.
Corvettes about 20 percent.
Camrys about 1 percent.

Tahoes, about 40 percent.

good point, but you forgot ghetto fabulous wore out old police Crown Vic's & Taxi's

i thought the numbers on the side were the IQ of the driver, till someone told me it was to tell everyone the tire size....um, ok.....

my only point here, I can't think of any practical or performance reason why anyone would want a 20 in wheel, on a Camaro, or any passenger car for that matter.

Since I think form should follow function, I believe 20 in wheels are ugly as hell too.

I am sorry I posted here. Because I get e-mail notices for something I care little about.

Good thoughts.

my only point here, I can't think of any practical or performance reason why anyone would want a 20 in wheel, on a Camaro, or any passenger car for that matter. There aren't any. Well, there might actually be a single functional one (think two flat tires on the same side of a lowered car, unlikely but possible). Unfortunately, it's really easy to sell 'bling' to people who don't know any better and make a ton of $ while you're at it.

FWIW, 20" is more appropriate for light/medium trucks. To put this in perspective, heavy trucks (those 80,000 lb GVW 18-wheelers) ride on 22.5" wheels.

And concept cars, all of which are at least a little bit exaggerated/cartoonish.


Since I think form should follow function, I believe 20 in wheels are ugly as hell too.I've got a different grudge against the ever-increasing wheel size. It's essentially made performance tires in 15" sizes obsolete (eventually you'll have to shop at Coker Tire), new max performance offerings in 16" sizes are not as common any more, and there isn't even as much choice in the wider 17" sizes as there once was.


I am sorry I posted here. Because I get e-mail notices for something I care little about.I imagine that there is a way to unsubscribe . . .


Just to toss another log on this fire . . . fairly careful scaling of the side view picture of the 2010 Mustang that was pulled from a Motor Trend preview article suggests that it was wearing 295/30-21's. The largest current OE Mustang tire size (rear only) is 285/40-18 . . .


Norm

considering how many V6 Mustangs I see rolling around on 20's it's a no-brainer.

Make 20's exactly like the prototype's wheels and people will opt for them probably in droves. In fact, make some other styles and probably a big chunk of V6 Buyers will opt for them.

For me, whatever is needed to clear the brakes and does not have a huge sidewall. I also don't want a huge gap between the wheel opening and the tire though.I'm afraid that 20 is too big for that car, too (the base size is actually a 16, though you likely won't find many with those). In terms of proportion, I'm thinking that 1/3 of vehicle height and 1/6 of wheelbase or 10% of vehicle overall length are better guidelines to maximum wheel size. It's a function of wheel openings that are larger than necessary in the S197 that 20's 'work' at all. Take one inch out of the wheel opening radius as measured from the axle and 18's would work just fine. Why does a 3500 lb car need 27" tall tires, anyway? Take an inch or so out of that, too, and 275/40-17's (4th gen size) and 315/35-17's (autocross size) would work quite well.


Norm

I can't wait to see the first new Camaro with THIS treatment:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/christianjax/stupid-car.jpg

mostly so I can point and laugh.

Seriously, I have NO problem with 20's being an OPTION on the Camaro, V6 or not. I actually hope the v8 covertible comes with 20's. And for the record, I'm a 44 year old VERY white male that HATES rap and the whole Rap culture with the cocked sideways flatbilled hats and pants below the butt cheeks crap. But I don't have a problem with 20's at all. Now 24's+ like in the picture just get's ridiculous.
I don't care if they make wings for the Camaro an OPTION. I just won't be putting them on mine.

I'm afraid that 20 is too big for that car, too (the base size is actually a 16, though you likely won't find many with those). In terms of proportion, I'm thinking that 1/3 of vehicle height and 1/6 of wheelbase or 10% of vehicle overall length are better guidelines to maximum wheel size. It's a function of wheel openings that are larger than necessary in the S197 that 20's 'work' at all. Take one inch out of the wheel opening radius as measured from the axle and 18's would work just fine. Why does a 3500 lb car need 27" tall tires, anyway? Take an inch or so out of that, too, and 275/40-17's (4th gen size) and 315/35-17's (autocross size) would work quite well.


Norm

unfortunately, it's not a question of the best size for the car, it's what people want. Most people have no idea of the negative effects of putting heavy ass 20 inch rims on their cars. It looks good so they want it.

I think 17s or 18s are fine, but in actuality, they look small on a Mustang, and from the pics I've seen of the pre-production Camaro's it will have the same problem.

The original poster asked if 20's should be optional. If Chevy does not offer them, they'd be stupid, because people will be putting 20s on them regardless, through GM and added to their loan, or not. Regardless of what is best for performance (or even mileage) people will be doing it, so I think offering it as an option (even dealer installed option) just makes sense. Offering it as an Option means I don't have to have dubs on my Camaro unless I want them.

I always thought the 18's on the recent GTO looked tiny on that car. The car had such a fat a$$ I guess it made the wheels look small even though they were 18's.:shrug:
That said, I think the Camaro can carry 20's and look good. It's still smaller than the concept. But since the trend is definately going bigger, it should be an option.
A side note, When I bought my 06 Daytona, the ONLY thing I didn't like was the wheels. (the style, not size) and they are 18's. The very next year, 20's were offered and looked so much better on the car.

well my '94 Z has 245/50-16...seems pretty good. I've put Bilstein TS kit on it. It's plenty firm, not sure I want the 17 in treatment just for the stiff ride & prolly no handling advantage.

If Chevy offers 20's on the new Camaro, I think they'll make it a moron car. No way I'd be seen in any model, Z, SS or anything else. Maybe GM should put wheel adapters on it & let it go a fooot wider. Maybe knobbies?

Chevy used to be about "GO". This bling BS isn't for the Camaro crowd.

New Camaro with 20"s looks just right to me

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/GM/Camaro/Spy/camaro_Spy_main01.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/02/2010-Chevy-Camaro-Swede.jpg

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Ellwyn - understand that catering to the appearance crowd at the OE level dilutes the appeal of the car to many performance enthusiasts. It forces them to compromise, as the final styling of the car done to work well with 20's quite likely does not work as well with, say, 18's (and almost certainly not with 17's - BTW, I'd like to hear a sound reason why a 275/40-17 or 315/35-17 isn't enough tire for any "ponycar").

It says that the powers that be have lost sight of what the car once was, even after a measure of heritage styling was intentional. Appearance stuff can be short-lived fads that survive on little more than subjective whim, while performance is something that is relatively constant and can be quantified.


irocdreamer - you probably can find cheap 20's. But they won't be good performance rubber or have been developed with an eye toward the newer developments. If you never drive very hard, you'll never know the difference, and the inexpensive tires will serve their purpose for you admirably.

Maybe that's good enough for most folks, but on an enthusiast forum built around a performance car icon it is entirely reasonable to expect a far greater proportion of people who demand more from their tires than round/black/hold air/can be balanced. There can be a huge difference in driving "feel" among different mfr/model tires of the same size, if you drive a bit harder and take the time to notice it. I'll note here that the better rubber in the 255/45-18" sizes is already more than $200, so $300 for 20" rubber looks to be about where the good stuff there begins.


Norm

irocdreamer - you probably can find cheap 20's. But they won't be good performance rubber or have been developed with an eye toward the newer developments. If you never drive very hard, you'll never know the difference, and the inexpensive tires will serve their purpose for you admirably.

Maybe that's good enough for most folks, but on an enthusiast forum built around a performance car icon it is entirely reasonable to expect a far greater proportion of people who demand more from their tires than round/black/hold air/can be balanced. There can be a huge difference in driving "feel" among different mfr/model tires of the same size, if you drive a bit harder and take the time to notice it. I'll note here that the better rubber in the 255/45-18" sizes is already more than $200, so $300 for 20" rubber looks to be about where the good stuff there begins.


Norm


Camaro will come with 245/45/20 tires. A quick search on tirerack.com shows:
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar = $255
Goodyear Eagle RS-A = $133

not too bad. and once more cars come out with this size proces will drop and more variety will be available. For Comparison a set of 275/40/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS for a LS1 Camaro would cost $267

Good Grief!!!!!!!!!
245/45ZR20
Load Index 99 = 1709lbs (775kg) per tire
Speed Rating “Y” = 186mph (300kph) 99Y SL Treadwear: 220
Traction: AA
Temperature: A220 AA A
1709 lbs.
51 psi
10/32"
29 lbs. 7.5-9"
8"
9.6"
8.4"
28.7"
729

Tires that are almost 29" tall belong on a truck, not a car. That's only a couple of inches shorter than the 31" "mudder" tires used on pickup trucks not so many years ago. And Pirelli apparently agrees - they list their Scorpion Zero Asimmetrico RFT as being a Street/Sport Truck All-Season tire.

That much tire makes it unreasonable to fit even 27" tires for appearance reasons, never mind that 27" is itself an inch or more larger than necessary for either performance or load capacity. Let's run a little logic . . . larger tires require deeper gearing (which is less efficient - kind of a bad label given current fuel pricing) and different suspension tuning (that probably does not favor either ride quality or handling). Where's the advantage? Aren't we supposed to be making forward progress?

Interesting that you mention the RS-A at the lower end of the price scale - it's kind of my poster boy for tires that only look like performance rubber. If they had much less cornering response it'd be imaginary, and they can hardly get any less linear. They belong on rental cars, where their discouragement to hard driving should (mostly) keep the moron drivers out of the ditches and give performance drivers a brief and relatively cheap opportunity to find out for themselves why they don't belong on anything else.

Oh, well. I guess it's time to chalk up another one for the misguided style and appearance crowd at the expense of function . . .


On edit, it would be nice if there were a few tires offered in the 17"/18" sizes and 20". I may have over-estimated the hit at $100, but I certainly expect $50 between the 17's/18's and the 20's in the same tire make/model and of similar load index (not counting specials and close-outs).


Norm

I've honestly never seen a set of aftermarket rims that looked as good as nice stock ones. They just never look quite right.

I have many people try to talk me into new rims on my 2000 Xtreme. But I thought the stock ones looked great, and fit the vehicle perfectly.

Have you ever seen a set of "Foose" nitro wheels?They have that 5 star magwheel look,but more modernized,and you can get them in 20" and crome,or gray.:yes:

There is more difference when you start talking abouot performance tires, which is what most people associate with installation on a muscle/pony/sports car. Sure, 20's may not be all that expensive if "round, black, and holds air" are the buyer's only criteria.

The objection to having the larger sizes available as an option is that it more than likely forces other changes in the design. Just as one example here, a larger wheel size plus some internal corporate design standards that ultimately involve things like sidewall height and tire to fender gap does end up dictating the wheelwell opening. More conventional size tires then start looking "puny" and "lost". For that reason, I don't even want to see them available as an OE option on the V8 cars.

Not everybody is such an extrovert that every major possession has to scream "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" to the whole world. Not everybody wants to drive something that looks like a static concept car. Some of us are much happier with subtle design and performance first. Even in cars at less-than-top-rung for the specific make/model, performancewise.


Norm

There is more difference when you start talking abouot performance tires, which is what most people associate with installation on a muscle/pony/sports car. Sure, 20's may not be all that expensive if "round, black, and holds air" are the buyer's only criteria.

The objection to having the larger sizes available as an option is that it more than likely forces other changes in the design. Just as one example here, a larger wheel size plus some internal corporate design standards that ultimately involve things like sidewall height and tire to fender gap does end up dictating the wheelwell opening. More conventional size tires then start looking "puny" and "lost". For that reason, I don't even want to see them available as an OE option on the V8 cars.

Not everybody is such an extrovert that every major possession has to scream "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" to the whole world. Not everybody wants to drive something that looks like a static concept car. Some of us are much happier with subtle design and performance first. Even in cars at less-than-top-rung for the specific make/model, performancewise.


Norm


Very interesting statement Norm,and i for one agree with you.I just posted the fact of the 20" wheels being on option with the RS package for the sake of those who would be interested in that option.I personally would prefer a smaller wheel size.:yes:Those who are contemplating the bigger wheel size,probably aren't aware of all the technicallity's of having larger wheels & tires.

A larger wheel size along with a low-profile tire,your chances of that tire,wheel being damaged is alot higher,along with that you also sacrafice ride comfort.For instace,if you hit a pothole(expecially here in Michigan)that 20" wheel & tire is toast!,and will cost you big $$$ to replace it:pAnother issue is width of a tire.Remember the era of the "Pro-street" muscle car,big fat Mickey thompsons in the back with skinny tires up front?A friend of mine had his 69 camaro set up that way,and when he would drive his car on "paved" roads,it literally took all his strength(both hands)on the steering wheel to keep his car in the groove.So a wider tire in my opinion isn't always the best way to go.It does affect the handling of the car...alot.