V10 in a Camaro [Archive] - CamaroZ28.Com Message Board

jakef2003

10-29-2006, 09:46 PM

Uh, first of all, that appears to be a scale model. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't look right.

Second, those cars exhaust notes sound awesome only because they rev so high. Limit that same engine to 6000-6500 rpm and nobody would say it sounded good.

Third, I said show me a V10 that sounds "nice". You know the friendly V8 burble at idle that begs you to get in and drive? That's what I want, and AFAIK, nobody has replicated it with a V10.

Corsa, or any other high end exhaust with a crossover makes a Viper sound amazing. The problem with them is from the factory they have no crossover, so you are actually hearing is 2 5 cyls. I believe Dodge might have addressed that with the newest Viper.

1987IROC350

10-29-2006, 10:23 PM

I couldn't afford a V-10... This is kind of a dumb suggestion IMO.

Well I do my best.

JakeRobb

10-29-2006, 11:12 PM

The problem with them is from the factory they have no crossover, so you are actually hearing is 2 5 cyls. I believe Dodge might have addressed that with the newest Viper.
FWIW, I have heard the exhaust on a 2006 Viper SRT/10 coupe. It still sounded like ass. :shrug:

stars1010

10-30-2006, 12:03 AM

My dads V10 F250 truck doesn’t sounds bad…..just sorta weird….not great either…..

JakeRobb

10-30-2006, 08:13 AM

My dads V10 F250 truck doesn’t sounds bad…..just sorta weird….not great either…..
Diesel?

stars1010

10-30-2006, 09:44 AM

Diesel?

No its gas

jg95z28

10-30-2006, 12:50 PM

While I wouldn't mind seeing GM do a V12 mid engine concept/prototype just to show up the likes of Ferrari... I don't see them ever sticking a V10 or a V12 in a production Corvette, let alone a lowly Camaro. ;)

graham

10-30-2006, 02:04 PM

I believe the Ferrari F1 cars use a 2.5L V8 now?

jg95z28

10-30-2006, 06:23 PM

I believe the Ferrari F1 cars use a 2.5L V8 now?

With the exception of a couple teams running rev-limitted V10s, they're all running V8s in F1 now.

Bert02SS

10-30-2006, 06:57 PM

The sound of a V8 owns the sound of most V10. Heard a Viper?....not the best sounding car around.

The auto rags describe the V-10 sound as "milk truck" drone. I'll take a V-8 burble any day.

SFireGT98

10-30-2006, 07:06 PM

GM can build plenty of firebreathing V8's that are lighter and get better mpg than a V10 so no thanks. No point in changing it up if you're already very good with one configuration.

Z/28Camaro4life

10-30-2006, 08:30 PM

Hay Z28CAMARO4life, what the heck does that have to do w/ anything?! Soooo, if the 5th gen comes w/ a s/c 600 hp motor, you would say hell no b/c a Camaro never came w/ a s/c? I guess you wont get a new 5 gen anyways, Camaro's never came w/ DOD before!
v-10 is totally out of the relam of possiblity. I would welcome a s/c z/28 because that is deff possible. GM has been toying with the idea of a s/c lsx motor which would own any v-10 dodge or anybody else can make!

landstuhltaylor

10-30-2006, 09:40 PM

Uh, first of all, that appears to be a scale model. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't look right.

Second, those cars exhaust notes sound awesome only because they rev so high. Limit that same engine to 6000-6500 rpm and nobody would say it sounded good.

Third, I said show me a V10 that sounds "nice". You know the friendly V8 burble at idle that begs you to get in and drive? That's what I want, and AFAIK, nobody has replicated it with a V10.
all you wanted was to see a v10 with a nice sounding exhaust note, you didnt specify any restrictions;)

I believe the Ferrari F1 cars use a 2.5L V8 now?
which is why i showed a pic of the 2005 ferrari, which still used v10s. the only teams that still use them are squadro torro rosso (sp) because of a concession made to assist the minardi team.

JakeRobb

10-30-2006, 10:18 PM

all you wanted was to see a v10 with a nice sounding exhaust note, you didnt specify any restrictions;)
A Formula 1 V10 exhaust note, as I have already noted, can hardly be called "nice". Wicked, vicious, awesome... sure, but not nice!

bossco

10-31-2006, 05:56 PM

v-10 is totally out of the relam of possiblity. I would welcome a s/c z/28 because that is deff possible. GM has been toying with the idea of a s/c lsx motor which would own any v-10 dodge or anybody else can make!

except for a 7.75 (whom I kidding) 8.0 liter LSx based SC'd V10.

However, gasp...gasp...gasp...!!!!!! I'd say if Dodge does produce a hemi V10 you might want to recondsider, espcecially if they did something really cool like use a set of CNC ported hemi V10 heads on the viper (has anybody checked out the flow numbers for the CNC'd heads that dodge offers for the small block V8 hemi? Not to shabby). In CNC'd form the regular production pieces are good enough for 600+ HP/NA IIRC.

I'll be the first to say that I'm really not impressed with a hemispherical combustion chamber myself. However I think in a 2 valve configuration, the only way you are gonna equal or better the hemi is with a canted valve head ala' big block chevy or cleveland style ford.

HAZ-Matt

10-31-2006, 06:26 PM

Why not make an 8L V8?

bossco

10-31-2006, 08:18 PM

Well you could, but maybe a 8.0 liter V10 might be a bit more compelling when it comes to engine speed and maybe even emmssions issues. An 8.0 V8 would have to have a good size bore in order to have a reasonable size stroke and if crevice volume is an issue then the bigger bore creates more crevice volume (also there is just the issue of the bore size and they way it propagates the combustion event), which I suppose could be offset by jamming the rings higher on the piston, but how high do you go? and what about people throwing chemical/forced air into the engine? An 8.0 liter V10 would solve that problem pretty easy, Its just a 6.2 liter V8 with 2 extra cylinders.

There is nothing inherently bad about a V10 (other than maybe dynamic balance issues) its just a nifty fix for increased displacement without having to reinvent the wheel from the ground up.

Capn Pete

10-31-2006, 10:23 PM

Why not make an 8L V8?
Check this (http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/GMPerformanceParts/EngineShowcase/index.jsp?engId=LSX&engine=LSX&sku=19166454&engCat=ls) out ;). I found this in a thread in LS1 Tech. An LSx engine, capable of 4.25" bore, 4.5" stroke ... do the math, that's 510 cubic inches!! :eek: :shock: :bow:

...now multiply 510 x 16.387, and you get 8357 cc's ;). That's right, 8.4 L!! :D :bow: V8 ;). LSx :yes: :cool:.

jaymac332

11-01-2006, 05:27 AM

I respect the idea of dropping a V10 into a Camaro...and yet I dont beleive there is any justification that can back it up. Everybody is talking about extra power because of extra cylinders, but when I really think about it, the Viper has what, an 8 liter V10? And the Z06 has a 7 liter V8. So what do the test numbers say about those two when they are matched up? Although the track results are relatively close (with the Z06 winning most of the showdowns...my case in point), the critics insist that even if the Vipers V10 was somehow a better performer than the Vettes V8, they would still choose the Vette over it...not because of the price mind you, but rather because the Chevy V8 is far more practical as far as living with on a day to day basis. So, Chevy already has a V8 that is on par with V10s and in some cases V12s, and not to mention that there is an even CRAZIER V8 on the way that will produce over 600 horsepower. So answer me this, how could anyone justify a V10 Camaro when youve got a perfectly livable yet terrifying V8 that will probably make its way under the Camaros hood anyway (ZL1?). And, just to go off into a side-tangent, Ill bring up the issue of heritage. Now, Ive already read the comments of above concerning heritage in relation with the new IRS, or DOD, comparing both with the V10 versus V8 argument. I cant help but think that comparing all of these things as being simular issues is completly crossing the line. There is a point where your just splitting hairs with the purity of a classic nameplate. If we stayed completely pure to the original, why not just have manual door locks, do away with AC, keep drum brakes, and start getting killed in every car wreck we ever get in because our only source of safety is a belt that we fasten across our waist alone. The advancements in technology since the original are mind-blowing, and yet not so when you consider the time gap. DOD is inevitable and so is IRS...but not the V10. In fact, when you think about it, the more the cylinders, to more phased out they are becoming. You can make V8s go just as fast as V10s in many cases. No, when it comes to heritage, you have to be basic...very basic. V8, RWD, long hood, short rear deck, 2+2 seating, coupe. THAT IS IT. That is what makes a Camaro. Those are its ingredients, where you dont know why it tastes so good...it just does. Hey look at me, Im really enjoying this glass of wine the way it is, but I want a little more kick, so Im just gonna spike it with everclear! That might sound like a good idea for some teenager, but it will cost him later. And to end this already too-long rant of mine, Ill just have to say, do your really think they would put a V10 Camaro on the same line up as a V8 Corvette? Kinda unbalances the universe, dont you think?

SCNGENNFTHGEN

11-01-2006, 08:25 AM

Why even make a V10?

Chevy built one or more, as a test bed a while back. It was LSx based, if you do some searching you should be able to find it. I think they came to the right conclusion not putting it out, V8 is the American way and gets the job done quite well IMO. I WILL be getting a V8 in mine too.

Casull

11-01-2006, 08:30 AM

That is what makes a Camaro. Those are its ingredients, where you dont know why it tastes so good...it just does. Hey look at me, Im really enjoying this glass of wine the way it is, but I want a little more kick, so Im just gonna spike it with everclear! That might sound like a good idea for some teenager, but it will cost him later.

Analogy of the week...

jg95z28

11-01-2006, 10:49 AM

Rob V

11-01-2006, 06:09 PM

v-10 is totally out of the relam of possiblity. I would welcome a s/c z/28 because that is deff possible. GM has been toying with the idea of a s/c lsx motor which would own any v-10 dodge or anybody else can make!

I agree with the Camaro staying with a V8. If they're going with heritage, tried and true, affordable and achievable, I don't see any reason to spend more money in the development and testing of another engine alternative.

On an unrelated note, is there any information (Or a thread I missed in the search feature) that would show the effect of a supercharger on an engine with Active Fuel Management?

RussStang

11-02-2006, 01:37 AM

Third, I said show me a V10 that sounds "nice". You know the friendly V8 burble at idle that begs you to get in and drive? That's what I want, and AFAIK, nobody has replicated it with a V10.

How about a Lamborghini v10? Most people with an ounce of car enthusiasm would consider them awesome sounding. How about the new BMW v10. Another good sounding engine. The Porsche v10 sounds amazing at any rpm. As mentioned earlier, the Ford 351 Mustang Boss v10 did sound pretty damn good as well. None of these engines sound anything like a Viper's does. There are actually some aftermarket exhaust systems that make a Viper sound not bad too.

I find this happens with v10s very frequently. People's only reference to a performance v10 is the Viper's, so they just assume v10s sound like garbage. Not the case.

kayosthery

11-02-2006, 08:28 AM

graham

11-02-2006, 11:32 AM

which is why i showed a pic of the 2005 ferrari, which still used v10s. the only teams that still use them are squadro torro rosso (sp) because of a concession made to assist the minardi team.

Ahh. Didnt pick up on it being a 2005. They look as different as Harley Davidsons and penguins to me.

jg95z28

11-02-2006, 11:44 AM

Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8?
You're right of course. It's pretty asinine for anyone to suggest that exhaust note is the primary reason not to put a V10 in a Camaro.

However it still is a stupid suggestion. The pinnacle GM product is Corvette and the ‘Vette doesn't need or warrant a V10. Therefore the Camaro doesn't need one either.

Then there is the whole “it doesn’t fit Camaro’s image or heritage” angle of which I agree 100%.

The bottom line is this is a dumb idea and I just wasted another minute of my life responding to yet another worthless thread on the Internet.

:D

kayosthery

11-02-2006, 11:52 AM

Yeah, and what a waste it was, because you didn't even answer my question.

I don't care about putting a V10 in a Camaro. I'm happy with the high-end V8. I was asking a serious question. Is there a mechanical reason why everyone here is saying that a V8 sounds better than a V10, or is this a completely subjective position?

RussStang

11-02-2006, 12:19 PM

It is subjective, and most people's reference for a performance v10 seems to be the Viper, which is notorious for not sounding that great, so people just assume all v10s sound like crap. They don't.

OutsiderIROC-Z

11-02-2006, 01:22 PM

True

They already have a 7L V-8 that puts out about the same power as other V-10s. A V-10 would be pointless IMHO.

My thoughts exactly.

HAZ-Matt

11-02-2006, 05:36 PM

Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8? I've never heard a V10, other than a co-workers F250, and I know that is not set up to draw attention to its sound. Bare with me for a second...

Sound in a:
4 cylinder < 6 cylinder < 8 cylinder...right? Why doesn't a V10 sound better than a V8?Firing order.
V8 (cross plane anyway) has two sequential cylinders that fire on the same side that give you the burble and they fire evenly spaced.
1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 for the LS1

The Viper V10 fires at 90 and 54 degree intervals and fires left than right bank each time.
1-10-9-4-3-6-5-8-7-2

That's some of the engine part of the sound difference anyway. Exhaust valve diameters and opening and closing points supposedly matter too.

kayosthery

11-02-2006, 09:31 PM

Now we're getting somewhere.... Thanks.

Red89GTA

11-02-2006, 10:55 PM

If I remember right (from an article in GMHTP a while back), there are a couple different ways of building a v10. The first way is easier/cheaper to make, but the firing order (or degrees between cylinders firing) is really screwy. The other way, you have even distance between firings, but it costs more to make.

I think the biggest difference is how the crank is made. I think the Viper v10 and most truck v10s (the viper v10 is a derivative of the Ram v10) are made the first way. Other v10s, such as the one found in the Lambo and Porsche Carrera GT are made the better, but more expensive way. They thus sound better as the firing sequence is even across the board.

Hoever, I think that v12s sound the best and are super smooth as well. You can have massive hp and not upset grandma :).

jg95z28

11-03-2006, 11:33 AM

Other v10s, such as the one found in the Lambo and Porsche Carrera GT are made the better, but more expensive way. They thus sound better as the firing sequence is even across the board.
The Carrera GT has a V10 now? :eek:

RussStang

11-03-2006, 12:08 PM

The Carrera GT has a V10 now? :eek:

Now? It always has.

jaymac332

11-03-2006, 05:32 PM

The Carrera GT has a V10 now? :eek:

Yeah, I think JG95z28 might be reffering to the 911 Carrera. Honest mistake. The Carrera GT is Porsches mid-engined super car, and I could see how the name could confuse someone. Ive also met people who have mistaken the Ford GT for the Mustang GT in a conversation.

joink

11-03-2006, 05:47 PM

I know that at least some years the Viper had side exhaust with no x pipe so the exhaust on each side sounded like a really awkward I5.

guionM

11-04-2006, 01:24 PM

Do you think it could happen? Would you want to see this as an option?

IMHO this poll is pretty ridiculous & I decided to not even to participate in it.

You KNOW things are really, really, really boring when threads like this start up. :no:

Next poll????........
"Should Camaro have a Cummings diesel option, off road mud tires, and be based on the Hummer H3." .....

Vote NOW! :lol:

(FWIW: Despite the subject, the tread has evolved into some more intresting talk. :) )

1stls1

11-05-2006, 04:05 PM

We can get a diesle now???

J/K

HAZ-Matt

11-05-2006, 08:31 PM

A diesel would be badass :)

jg95z28

11-06-2006, 12:02 PM

Yeah, I think JG95z28 might be reffering to the 911 Carrera. Honest mistake. The Carrera GT is Porsches mid-engined super car, and I could see how the name could confuse someone. Ive also met people who have mistaken the Ford GT for the Mustang GT in a conversation.

Nope. Just brain dead before I finished my 1st cup of coffee. I knew the GT had a V10. But I was thinking about the 911 Carrera and totally had a brain fart before the caffine kicked in. Honest mistake? Maybe... but only if you'll let me blame the lack of coffee in my system. :D

97WS6SCharged

12-15-2006, 02:00 PM

The Ford and Dodge V10 engines were made from existing V8s so the two cylinders they added are odd fire as mentioned above. That's what gives them a weird sounding exhaust. :)

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/0512htp_gm_stillborn_gen_3_v10_history/

BradcTA

12-15-2006, 02:55 PM

more cylinders does not equal more power. V10=:no:

bossco

12-15-2006, 03:12 PM

more cylinders does not equal more power. V10=:no:

No replacement for displacement and if all things are equal then a V10 would produce more power. However, GM doesn't suffer the displacement delimma that the mod motors do. A V10 for Ford is pretty attractive if they want to exceed 330 CID in a natirally aspirated application without hindering reliability.

Now, to use some ricer logic, ultimately, a V10 would be down on specific ouptut due to the added friction and drag associated with two more cylinders, but in the grand scheme of things overall power would be up.

BradcTA

12-15-2006, 03:21 PM

No replacement for displacement and if all things are equal then a V10 would produce more power. However, GM doesn't suffer the displacement delimma that the mod motors do. A V10 for Ford is pretty attractive if they want to exceed 330 CID in a natirally aspirated application without hindering reliability.

Now, to use some ricer logic, ultimately, a V10 would be down on specific ouptut due to the added friction and drag associated with two more cylinders, but in the grand scheme of things overall power would be up.

I should have siad "not necessarily" = more power.

jaymac332

12-18-2006, 03:28 AM

To hell with more power. There, I said it. Is anyone here honestly not satisfied with a 500 horsepower V8? Id personally be satisfied with just 400 horsepower (hehe, I said "just" 400 horsepower). A V10? That actually sounds a little goofy from a marketing standpoint. GM will never allow a Camaro to have some sort of edge on the Vette, and thats the way I like it. Not to mention the cost to produce a limited edition like that would be retarded. And even on top of that, the Mustang doesnt have a V10 and neither will the Challenger...so why one for the Camaro? Are some of you guys getting nervous about the competition? Think the good ole Chevy small block wont get the job done? Again...is even 400 horsepower derived from a Corvette (which already on the Vipers heels) really not enough to impress anyone you meet? Mark my words, a V10 in a Camaro is wrong... its WRONG!

1997FormulaBird

12-18-2006, 08:25 AM

no way Chevy builds a V10 just for the Camaro

bossco

12-18-2006, 04:56 PM

the Mustang doesnt have a V10

they considered it, granted it was a one off with a DOHC 4v aluminum 5.8 V10, but they considered it.

Red89GTA

12-21-2006, 10:19 PM

And even on top of that, the Mustang doesnt have a V10 and neither will the Challenger...so why one for the Camaro?

Must the camaro always do (copy/follow) what its perceived competitors do?? I thought leading, innovating and crushing the competition was what GM is trying to get back to.

And who said the 'Vette couldn't have a v10 too??:D

jaymac332

12-22-2006, 10:53 PM

Must the camaro always do (copy/follow) what its perceived competitors do?? I thought leading, innovating and crushing the competition was what GM is trying to get back to.

And who said the 'Vette couldn't have a v10 too??:D

Im not saying that the Camaro must copy/follow everything that the competitors do...but nevertheless, the Camaro does have competitors and the last thing we want is to alienate them by stuffing a needless V10 in the Camaro. Mark my words, its not cost effective, its not considered innovation, it moves against the grain of tradition, heritage, and the aura of the pony car, which is actually the same reason why Chevy will never put one in a Vette either. There are some things that cannot change if it is to remain a Camaro...I keep on going over and over this: Front engine, rear wheel drive, long hood short rear deck, and a V8 (I know that someone will nitpick a V6, but it could lose the V6 option and still remain a Camaro...not so for the V8). That is it. There is also arguably the whole short rear deck and long hood thing, but Ill just leave that one out for now. A V10? With the Mustang I was just drawing a comparison, not saying that that was what the Camaro had to do...but Camaro and the Mustang are direct competition for eachother and the steer the same path. There was something else that I wanted to say, but it slipped my mind...Ill think of it later.

Red89GTA

12-23-2006, 03:18 PM

Im not saying that the Camaro must copy/follow everything that the competitors do...but nevertheless, the Camaro does have competitors and the last thing we want is to alienate them by stuffing a needless V10 in the Camaro. Mark my words, its not cost effective, its not considered innovation, it moves against the grain of tradition, heritage, and the aura of the pony car, which is actually the same reason why Chevy will never put one in a Vette either. There are some things that cannot change if it is to remain a Camaro...I keep on going over and over this: Front engine, rear wheel drive, long hood short rear deck, and a V8 (I know that someone will nitpick a V6, but it could lose the V6 option and still remain a Camaro...not so for the V8). That is it. There is also arguably the whole short rear deck and long hood thing, but Ill just leave that one out for now. A V10? With the Mustang I was just drawing a comparison, not saying that that was what the Camaro had to do...but Camaro and the Mustang are direct competition for eachother and the steer the same path. There was something else that I wanted to say, but it slipped my mind...Ill think of it later.
Good points, I personally agree that they will never put a v10 in it (with the power and mpg the v8 gets, why bother?), I just like exploring 'what if?' situations. I also don't want the car to stagnate in the powertrain and styling departments. Its a fine line that you have to walk to keep innovating and keep it a "Camaro".

If things keep going, at some point (years/decades down the road) there will be hybrid/fuel cell/electric Camaros out there. It's not something I look forward to or want to happen, but at some point there won't be any gasoline left to use or it will be so expensive that it simply would not be worth it. If that becomes the case and we all still want a Camaro, it will need a non-v8 gasoline burning motor.

jaymac332

12-23-2006, 04:09 PM

Good points, I personally agree that they will never put a v10 in it (with the power and mpg the v8 gets, why bother?), I just like exploring 'what if?' situations. I also don't want the car to stagnate in the powertrain and styling departments. Its a fine line that you have to walk to keep innovating and keep it a "Camaro".

If things keep going, at some point (years/decades down the road) there will be hybrid/fuel cell/electric Camaros out there. It's not something I look forward to or want to happen, but at some point there won't be any gasoline left to use or it will be so expensive that it simply would not be worth it. If that becomes the case and we all still want a Camaro, it will need a non-v8 gasoline burning motor.

Yeah, if push comes to shove, you never know whats in our future.

twocamaros

12-23-2006, 07:25 PM

screw a v10 Gimme a 572 Big Block

jaymac332

12-24-2006, 03:56 AM

screw a v10 Gimme a 572 Big Block

:D I couldnt imagine how effing crazy that would be

Cerwin Vega Fan

01-03-2007, 01:25 PM

I think adding 2 cylinders and having such low cubes is dumb.

Low cube V10 and V12's are built to do the same job that the 302 V8 did in the 67 Z28's.....rev to the sky and be able to with stand high RPM loads for an extended period of time.

5thgen69camaro

01-03-2007, 03:40 PM

I dont get this thread. I thought the whole reason big blocks are not in Muscle cars anymore is, aside from fuel milege, they throw off the whole balance of the car. They make the front way too heavy. Wouldnt a V10 be just as heavy and do essentially the same thing? On another note, a big block would probably fit, where as a V10 with two extra cylinders on the front of it may not. If you had to extend the front end of the car when some are complaining about the length getting out of control, would it be worth it? A one off may be neat but I cant imagine, this being production. Maybe Im wrong

bossco

01-03-2007, 06:51 PM

Ever see a Ford V10?, Its really not a lengthy engine. Wide as my ex-girlfriend's.... err I mean its really wide, but due to the small bores, it fits nicely in the space a big V8 would find snug as well.

Anyways, no GM doesn't need a V10, unless they want to make a V10 for a V10's sake, however, if Ford were to keep using the mod motors and not replace them with the Boss motors eventually, in order to stay in the game, they would have to relegate all thier performance V8s to either forced induction or go to a V10. This isn't saying that the Mod motor can't be made to perform, its just that for the kind of performance americans prefer (you know, smash the gas, roast the tires and let all hell loose) the mod motor isn't well suited. It just doesn't have the capability to generate the kind of displacement needed for that kind of stuff.

canbaufo

01-09-2007, 02:27 PM

I second the turbo diesel idea :lol: ....seriously though someone HAS to do that just for the hell of it. Who wants to be the first cz28.com member to use a highly boosted turbo diesel in their f-body with some 2.56 rear gears? I think it would be funny as hell at the track :lol:

Seriously though I am ROTLFLMAO at this thread in general.

On a serious note though, I think there should be three engine options. 230ish HP V6, a 280ish HP SC-V6 (or a small V-8 like a 4.8 Vortec), and the mighty LS2 warmed over to 425 HP or so.

myslowcamaro

01-09-2007, 08:51 PM

True

They already have a 7L V-8 that puts out about the same power as other V-10s. A V-10 would be pointless IMHO.

the 572ci bb has much more displacement and power than most if not all the v-10's out there. either way, some cutting or re-engineering would more than likely have to be done, so squeeze in the 572 instead. can find them for ~15k+

steven.collins

05-14-2009, 01:59 PM

Totally unnecessary and cost would run it pretty much past the average Camaro owner's budget. Drop it in the Vette but keep a muscle car a muscle car.

2010 2SS Camaro
1984 Chevy Corvette
2006 Lexus RX 330

RussStang

05-14-2009, 02:58 PM

ichime

05-27-2009, 02:40 PM

I can't see a Camaro with a V10. I (and I assume most people) have always associated the Camaro and other muscle cars with a V8. That said, if they had given the Corvette a V10, they would have probably done the same with the Camaro, though in some special edition version.

Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8? I've never heard a V10, other than a co-workers F250, and I know that is not set up to draw attention to its sound. Bare with me for a second...

Sound in a:
4 cylinder < 6 cylinder < 8 cylinder...right? Why doesn't a V10 sound better than a V8?

I'll give you the best reason: headers.

Here is an M5 with stock headers, stock exhaust system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5oOwnDxLQ&feature=related

M5 with Evosport Headers and exhaust work (turn your speakers up):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roTyRdR8zFE

Dyno:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeoOh9u79s

Interestingly enough I can't find many videos of the Viper V10 with custom headers. The Borla headers from what I hear aren't much different from the stock headers...

Also, there aren't many vehicles out there with V10 engines, so they're aren't many good examples of aggressive exhaust notes like the Evosport M5.

There's also the Cobra Concept on the Dyno which sounds pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWkyv5BjB8c