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Claim: production Camaro 12 months away; better than concept
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In the September 25th episode of syndicated automotive radio program Cruise Control Radio, co-host Les Jackson claims to have seen a photo of the production version of the new Chevrolet Camaro. He claims to have spoken with GM engineer Dr. Terry Woychowski on Sunday at a press event, who showed him a photograph of the production car.

"It looks terrific," Jackson said. He claims the photo he saw looked "even better" than the concept vehicle show earlier this year. While this subjective assessment doesn't tell us much, it's safe to assume GM officials really meant it when they said the production car would be nearly identical to the concept.

Jackson also claims Dr. Woychowski told him GM was "in a real rush to get it out the door," and "don't be surprised if it's by this time next year." General Motors has officially stated the new Camaro will go on sale in the first quarter of 2009. Woychowski comments seem to suggest that date could in fact come at least 12 months earlier than expected.


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Don't shoot the messenger, just sharing this rather interesting news.

Boy...I don't know about this one...

Interesting, but...

...I just don't know.

I mean it, I really don't know what to think about this one.

Early is better than late. Untill it's official i'll just hope though, not believe.

We will see :) .

David

While I'd be happy if they went on sale BEFORE 2009...I'd be pissed if in "rushing it out the door" they cut any corners or rushed any testing or quality control. If it is going to be a better product, I'll wait until 2009.

But, maybe it's just a marketing ploy...I mean better early than late, so maybe they over-estimated the time they would need hoping to gain much needed GOOD press when they release it early.

I read this as well, but I just can't see it coming out that much earlier. I thought they wanted to keep it were it would be like a 40th anniversary or something.

Better double the weekly savings amount :)

There was some discussion...(not with a GM employee however)...at Bowling Green as to the possibility that Oshawa was large enough and possibly could run two different lines for a time..i.e. 1 FWD, 1 RWD....because according to all reports, the Camaro program is ahead of schedule, but it was the plant that would hold it up until laaate 2008 / early 2009.

Some serious speculation going on here though....

There was some discussion...(not with a GM employee however)...at Bowling Green as to the possibility that Oshawa was large enough and possibly could run two different lines for a time..i.e. 1 FWD, 1 RWD....because according to all reports, the Camaro program is ahead of schedule, but it was the plant that would hold it up until laaate 2008 / early 2009.

Some serious speculation going on here though....

Very interesting indeed......but like you stated here, it doesn’t matter how far along the program is until they have a place to actually build it. That would be great if Oshawa could open its doors to Camaro earlier then expected.

I'm with Douglas. I've heard that engineering, not manufacturing capacity, will determine when we see the F5 in showrooms.

I sure wouldn't mind having to choose between a 5th gen convertible and a Z06 18 months from now. :cool:

I sure wouldn't mind having to choose between a 5th gen convertible and a Z06 18 months from now. :cool:

I hear that.

I really wish they would get them out early. I am ready to purchase a new car now, however I really want another Camaro. I was debating buying another 69 to hold me over, but I have been down that path before and do not feel like another old car.

Come on GM, hook us up early.

Interesting.

Woychowski is, I believe, chief engineer of trucks though.

I thought they wanted to keep it were it would be like a 40th anniversary or something.
Then it would already be out. :D (The Camaro came out in September 1966 as a 1967 model.)

While I'd be happy if they went on sale BEFORE 2009...I'd be pissed if in "rushing it out the door" they cut any corners or rushed any testing or quality control. If it is going to be a better product, I'll wait until 2009...

In today's litagous world, competitive enviroment, you'd have to be nuts to think that anyone is going to rush anything out without any testing. The automotive business just doesn't work that way. Hasn't for years.


As far as the Camaro coming out next year, I know I said that it was coming out before anyone expects and I still say that because (as it now seems to have gotten out.... don't blame me for that) the Camaro is in fact quite farther along than most people imagine.

I also stated that the only chance Camaro had in coming out before the late 2009MY laid in Wilmington, and I gave up on it coming out early ONLY because I believed Oshawa needed to wind up Grand Prix production before it set up for Camaro.

I can realistically see Lacrosse & Grand Prix moving over to Oshawa #1. GM already announced they were cutting Impala production to 250K (down from 300K+ potential). If GM also discontinues the Monte Carlo, that's another 75K+ vacancy.

That's enough to cover the Grand Prix and Lacrosse.

While I'm not quite ready to buy into Camaro production within 12 months, you wouldn't have to try very hard to convince me it could be in production within the first 6 months of 2008 (15-21 months). It would give the GP and the Lacrosse a full year of production before being moved, killed, or replaced, (right in line with plans of the 2 only going to the 2008 model year)

It would also give 4-6 months... or more... to set up a new line, or rennovate that part of the plant. :think:

In today's litagous world, competitive enviroment, you'd have to be nuts to think that anyone is going to rush anything out without any testing. The automotive business just doesn't work that way. Hasn't for years.

I didn't mean they would not test the car at all...that would be suicide.

I also stated that the only chance Camaro had in coming out before the late 2009MY laid in Wilmington, and I gave up on it coming out early ONLY because I believed Oshawa needed to wind up Grand Prix production before it set up for Camaro.



...and the possibility of a new Grand Prix/Am/GTO in the form of an imported Holden fits very nicely into your equation. From what I've read, even though it hasn't been officially announced by anyone, Pontiac is definately getting at least one Holden. If the new Holden were ushered in quickly enough to cut the current model (which needs to be cut anyway), wouldn't that create enough bandwidth for a limited production first year Camaro - say around 50k - by late 2007 ?

I am still holding out for a 40th anniversary model. I am one of the few, but I think its gonna happen.

I always thought the car would be out way earlier than predicted. Its still a waiting game now, and anyones guess!;)

You know, Scott has been pretty quiet as of late. I think it's time for some more "winks" about now. How about it Scott??

You know, Scott has been pretty quiet as of late. I think it's time for some more "winks" about now. How about it Scott??

You won't get anything but the "corporate line" out of Scott at this point...first, he likes his job...and secondly, too much work to do to guess about making it out early.

I'm with Douglas. I've heard that engineering, not manufacturing capacity, will determine when we see the F5 in showrooms.

I sure wouldn't mind having to choose between a 5th gen convertible and a Z06 18 months from now. :cool:
That would be a good choice to have to make!:cool:

There was some discussion...(not with a GM employee however)...at Bowling Green as to the possibility that Oshawa was large enough and possibly could run two different lines for a time..i.e. 1 FWD, 1 RWD....because according to all reports, the Camaro program is ahead of schedule, but it was the plant that would hold it up until laaate 2008 / early 2009.

Some serious speculation going on here though....

When a group of us local F-body fanatics were invited to the official press event in Oshawa to announce that the plant was getting the Camaro, there was mention that plans were about to be implemented to "consolidate" the different vehicle lines currently being produced there in order that work could start "immediately" on transforming the facility into the flexplant that would produce the Camaro.
Understood that this is pretty vague, but keeping in mind that Oshawa is currently 2 distinct passenger car plants... that will be turned into the large, single, flexplant, and that there seems to be some degree of flexibility given the 2 facilities, I would like to think that production of the car could start sooner than the date that has been officially put forward.

Best regardSS,

Elie

I can realistically see Lacrosse & Grand Prix moving over to Oshawa #1. GM already announced they were cutting Impala production to 250K (down from 300K+ potential). If GM also discontinues the Monte Carlo, that's another 75K+ vacancy.

I know GM has said they want to cut back on Impala production, but through August they've sold 200k (up 25% over last year) so it doesn't look like things are slowing down. When push comes to shove it's mighty hard to turn away sales, especially on your volume cars.

If things are moving quicker on the Camaro than originally planned, the information will eventually get out. Either suppliers will start blabbing when they get their first Camaro contracts, or we'll know by watching what's happening to Oshawa.

If things are moving quicker on the Camaro than originally planned, the information will eventually get out. Either suppliers will start blabbing when they get their first Camaro contracts, or we'll know by watching what's happening to Oshawa.

Do you mean like american axle announcing where the axle for the Camaro is being made....hmmm.

Might want to check the Podcast section tomorrow morning for our latest release. We are trying to get to the bottom of this.

It seems hard to believe it would be out in a year. Think of all the testing they have to do just to certify it. It's not like that chasis is in production and they are just rebodying it. I also think it's unlikely the production version will be better looking. It's not going to be as wide as the concept is it? 79 inches?

Guess that means that I need to keep my eyes open on my commute from now on :)

You wouldn't beleive how many c6s, then Z06s I saw driving around WAY before they were released. That goes for the new Mustangs too, saw a few in camo well before their coming out party.

Might want to check the Podcast section tomorrow morning for our latest release. We are trying to get to the bottom of this.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4129383#post4129383

Guess that means that I need to keep my eyes open on my commute from now on :)

You wouldn't beleive how many c6s, then Z06s I saw driving around WAY before they were released. That goes for the new Mustangs too, saw a few in camo well before their coming out party.

The joys of living in Michigan

...and the possibility of a new Grand Prix/Am/GTO in the form of an imported Holden fits very nicely into your equation. From what I've read, even though it hasn't been officially announced by anyone, Pontiac is definately getting at least one Holden. If the new Holden were ushered in quickly enough to cut the current model (which needs to be cut anyway), wouldn't that create enough bandwidth for a limited production first year Camaro - say around 50k - by late 2007 ?

I am still holding out for a 40th anniversary model. I am one of the few, but I think its gonna happen.

Its official now. A new Holden as a Pontiac in 2007...my theory is looking better and better. Anyone want to take bets on a late CY 2007 Camaro introduction?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37939

A Holden as a Pontiac in 2007? It IS the 2007 model year now.

Its official now. A new Holden as a Pontiac in 2007...my theory is looking better and better. Anyone want to take bets on a late CY 2007 Camaro introduction?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37939
I would take that car over the Camaro anyday. Much better looking, and the number of doors doesn't mean anything to me. I mostly want V8, RWD, and GM.

I'm not sure we'll be able to buy that in 2007 though. It may hit the auto show circuit in 2007, but that doesn't mean it'll be for sale that quickly.

If built in 2007 (even LATE 2007) could they still call it a 2007 Camaro? ;) (even 2007-1/2?? like there was the 1970-1/2). I've been crying for a 2007, 40th-anniversary Camaro for a long time now :thumb:. Be a nice little brother to my 35th-anniversary car ;).

Now they just need to step-up and offer an LS7-like motor!! :yes:

Here's to keeping our fingers crossed (but not getting hopes up) :cz28:.

Its official now. A new Holden as a Pontiac in 2007...my theory is looking better and better. Anyone want to take bets on a late CY 2007 Camaro introduction?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37939

Interesting.

Are these going to be built in the US? Because if it's imported from Australia, I still don't see how that'll be a 2007CY introduction.

Even if it is built, what plant would be readily available to start building these cars this time next year?

Interesting.

Are these going to be built in the US? Because if it's imported from Australia, I still don't see how that'll be a 2007CY introduction.

Even if it is built, what plant would be readily available to start building these cars this time next year?

The thread mentions Spring Hill, Wilmington or Hamtrack.

The joys of living in Michigan
Got that right :).

think of it as compensation for dealing with the bad roads and winter.