American Axle sends Camaro work to Mexico.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060920/1348381.html?.v=1

Donovan estimated that 130 local jobs probably would have been involved in producing components for the Camaro, which is being introduced in the 2008 model year.


OK, so if american axle is starting plans to build the axles for the camaro and given the bold text, Is the Camaro still a MY 2009??? Isn't this one of the signs that the Camaro is closer than we think...

edit...missed this the first time...

Workers at GM's Powertrain plant in the Town of Tonawanda were still waiting this week to learn if they would be assigned to make the Camaro's engines

so...is it still a 2009???

Is the Camaro still a MY 2009??? Isn't this one of the signs that the Camaro is closer than we think...
Yes, it'll be a MY2009, introduced in the YEAR 2008, but not "model year" 2008 :cool:.

Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, the Oshawa plant isn't going to be geared up for the new line until the old line stops production in 2008 and they change over for the new flex line. Basically looking at ~2 years from now (like they announced). It's probably one of the only pieces of "official" information that I think they might actually stick to ;).

Yes, it'll be a MY2009, introduced in the YEAR 2008, but not "model year" 2008 :cool:.

Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, the Oshawa plant isn't going to be geared up for the new line until the old line stops production in 2008 and they change over for the new flex line. Basically looking at ~2 years from now (like they announced). It's probably one of the only pieces of "official" information that I think they might actually stick to ;).

Yes, but I was going off of the article which speciffically mentioned MY 2008. If production doesn't start for two years, would the plant info for the axles and the engines (subposibly next week according to the article) be out this soon???

It has been hinted many times that the Camaro is coming sooner than we think and that this type of news are clues for the actual time frame.

this is all my humble opinion

Yes, they'll be setting up all the contracts for who builds what well in advance of actual production. I know there are already talks with a couple local companies for contracts on interior parts like door panels, etc. Just because they're getting these things setup now, doesn't necessarily mean the car is coming out next year ... and I realize the article "said" MY2008, but I think that's probably an error in their reporting :shrug:. I always rode the "early production / 2007 / 40th-anniversary" band-wagon, but since the official announcement(s) about the WHAT, WHEN and WHERE, I believe that the late 2008 production won't change (much;)).

Great, now we will have a bunch of Mexican built rear ends to replace.

Remember what happened to all the VW's that got made in Mexico, they are all pieces of ****.

This really pisses me off.

Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, the Oshawa plant isn't going to be geared up for the new line until the old line stops production in 2008 and they change over for the new flex line. Basically looking at ~2 years from now (like they announced). It's probably one of the only pieces of "official" information that I think they might actually stick to ;).

You're a lot closer to the plant than I am but what I'm hearing is that work on the plant is starting already to consolidate the FWD production lines to make room for the ZETA line. They may be able to run simultaneously. :cool:

I believe they probably could run simultaneously, just depends on how many of each line they intend to build? :shrug: I've got a friend that works there that may be able to give us some insight (he's a member on this board as well). I would still love to see a late '07 release so it could be classified as a 40th Anniversary car, but I really don't think that's going to happen. I haven't heard of any restructuring inside the plant YET though, but I'm sure it won't be long before they start gearing up for the change.

a supplier is setting up shop soon (they're hiring right now i heard)

Mexico? :no:

The Mustang is already rediculously low on domestic parts content (for "America's Pony Car", anyway....) I believe it's something like 60%.

Mexico? :no:

The Mustang is already rediculously low on domestic parts content (for "America's Pony Car", anyway....) I believe it's something like 60%. I was thinking the same thing. Is anything on this camaro gonna be american made? If not they can keep it. Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick of seeing more and more things getting made outside of USA.

I was thinking the same thing. Is anything on this camaro gonna be american made? If not they can keep it. Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick of seeing more and more things getting made outside of USA.So am I, but don't blame GM, blame the UAW first, and blame the public 2nd.

The UAW has made it impossible for the Big 3 to produce an all american car affordably anymore. Import cars can be assembled here because their parts still get made cheaply, and then get assembled here by non-union employees.

No company in the country can build their stuff here for less money than they could have it done somewhere else, and with the number of imports on the streets and the number of people shopping in Wal Mart, it's obvious that the general public doesn't give a damn where their products come from, just as long as they are cheap. I'm all for keeping it all american, but in today's society of people that want everything as cheap as possible and don't give a damn about where the product comes from, virtually no company can offer a competetively priced product that's built here.

i was thinking more along the lines of...



http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/gunsnroses/gunsnroses-colour03.jpg

I was thinking the same thing. Is anything on this camaro gonna be american made? If not they can keep it. Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick of seeing more and more things getting made outside of USA.

North America includes Canada & Mexico, so yes, the axles are American made... right along with Mexican assembled Hemi engines and a whole platoon of parts on US makes. Last Camaros were made in Canada, as are all Grand Prixs, Impalas, Monte Carlos, and most GM pickup trucks. Many of the electronics in todays cars are made in Asia... which is even cheaper than Mexico. Mustang uses alot of Mazda parts. Since Mazda key ower is Ford, the money is staying in the company.

In today's manufacturing enviroment, you need either cheap labor or government paid health care to compete. I fully expect to see most domestic automotive manufacturing to be done outside the US within a decade.

BTW: Mustang's key components (engine, body, most driveline components, assembly) are designed & made in the US. Most all of the non US parts are out of sight. The car is made in a plant owned jointly with Mazda (which Ford essentially owns) that makes domestic Mazdas, so it only makes sense to use the same parts where feasible.

That would be the Flat Rock, MI plant. Been there for some product training (I'm a Mazda tech). They only make the Mustang and the Mazda 6 there, as far as I know (at least last I was there). As an interesting side note, the Mazdaspeed 6 is made in Japan.

the 5th gen will be introduced in the 2008 model year, it just wont be sold to the public in the 2008 model year. Im sure youll start seeing them on the road for testing next summer

I too am sick of seeing American cars having parts made outside of America, Canada and Mexico dont bother me too much but Asia does... It really upsets me, if I had to pay a good percent more for something just because it was made in America I would. However, I know the average person probally wouldnt, they are the same average person that believe Hondas and Kias are "good" cars because someone who doesnt know jack-#%&¤ about cars told them that. Just like when my best friend was given car advice by his mom and took it rather than from me or any of his gear-head friends.

Personally, I'd like to see everything built here in the western hemisphere. If we need cheap parts, I'm sure that setting up shops in Central or even South America (Mexico's not the value it used to be) will go a long way towards helping out our neighbors instead of China.

It's ideal to make everything here in the US, but there's plenty of things that we need to source from elsewhere to keep prices competitive.

Personally, I'd like to see everything built here in the western hemisphere. If we need cheap parts, I'm sure that setting up shops in Central or even South America (Mexico's not the value it used to be) will go a long way towards helping out our neighbors instead of China.

It's ideal to make everything here in the US, but there's plenty of things that we need to source from elsewhere to keep prices competitive.

Build it in "The Americas".

In a few years when you call Gm, your call will be answered by Bob in India.

Frankly we don't have enough people to make everything we need/want here in the US. Unemployment is 4.7%...that's extremely low historically and means that almost everybody that wants a job has one.

We have to outsource, I'd just rather outsource Nikes and t-shirts than high skilled work. Having said that, we're also moving more and more into an information economy where many service jobs pay more than any blue collar work, so the trend is going to continue to be that assembly work goes overseas.

Will we have a day when all "Domestic" cars are built outside the US and all "Imports" are built here? If that happens, will people still swear off Imports and only "buy American" meaning US brand name but not US labor?

i was thinking more along the lines of...



http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/gunsnroses/gunsnroses-colour03.jpg



lol

Will we have a day when all "Domestic" cars are built outside the US and all "Imports" are built here? If that happens, will people still swear off Imports and only "buy American" meaning US brand name but not US labor?

This would be hilarious :D