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SS RRR

09-15-2006, 08:12 PM

I know you only posted this as bait, but who cares? Your stupidity requires a response. If IRS caused wheel hop, don't you think every sports car from the 350Z to the Enzo would be plagued by it? Did you ever think that every mid-to high end sports car in existence (IE: Vette, Viper, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, etc) is using IRS for a reason? Hello? Think before typing.
So you HAVE convinced yourself that IRS is SUPERIOR to live axle in straight line performance. As far as why those other cars have IRS? It's because they are SPORTS CARS, dummy! They were built for more than straight line use!
So I guess it's just some sort of something wrong with the garbage barge as to why it hippityhops all over the place, eh? This thread isn't about other car models. It's about the GARBAGE BARGE hippity hoping all over from a straight line. However even with the evidence right in front of your nose it just couldn't be the fault of IRS!
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You are a card!
So tell me... via PM you said you've ran 114mph through the traps off the bottle but you conveniently did not supply the ET you ran yet you want to crow on about IRS... So what ET did you run w/ that 114mph? What 60'?

P.S. No one is stalking you. Don't flatter yourself. You choose to get involved in these threads all by yourself. Stop trying to be the victim.

Zeueses 97 RamAir

09-15-2006, 10:46 PM

Is my bet 10 dollars still on anyone anyone bueller bueller \:alert:

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 01:10 AM

Is my bet 10 dollars still on anyone anyone bueller bueller \:alert:
easy now... it's only on page two. give yellavette a chance to pull more blitherings from that empty noggin of his and we'll see if it's worth refuting.

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 01:25 AM

ah lookie here!

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4391/grandprixmtgu9.jpg

It's the tuned down, 4-door version of the king daddy garbage barge! That should put GM over the top lickety split! :lol:

Kris93/95Z28

09-16-2006, 07:07 AM

ah lookie here!

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4391/grandprixmtgu9.jpg

It's the tuned down, 4-door version of the king daddy garbage barge! That should put GM over the top lickety split! :lol:

Wow. How old are you? :rolleyes:

Obviously you're going out of your way to try to work him up. But, in the process you're making some really stupid comments.

The Holden Commodore is the car that the photoshop is based on. The Commodore is a great car, and is gettign great reviews down under. Product like this is what GM NA needs to woo back the car buyers that have swore GM off, and get the attention of upscale buyers that haven't ever tried to consider GM.

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 07:46 AM

Wow. How old are you? :rolleyes:

Obviously you're going out of your way to try to work him up. But, in the process you're making some really stupid comments.

The Holden Commodore is the car that the photoshop is based on. The Commodore is a great car, and is gettign great reviews down under. Product like this is what GM NA needs to woo back the car buyers that have swore GM off, and get the attention of upscale buyers that haven't ever tried to consider GM.
I've sworn off GM and that POS hasn't "woo'd" me. :rolleyes: You want to Nature Boy "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" me then put a 427 in that sumbitch, get a A HELL OF A LOT MORE creative with the styling and then I will be "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'd" Not some detuned 6L Geo Prizm/Cavalier/Lumina. :rolleyes:

Kris93/95Z28

09-16-2006, 08:03 AM

I've sworn off GM and that POS hasn't "woo'd" me. :rolleyes: You want to Nature Boy "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" me then put a 427 in that sumbitch, get a A HELL OF A LOT MORE creative with the styling and then I will be "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'd" Not some detuned 6L Geo Prizm/Cavalier/Lumina. :rolleyes:

Intelligent response. You really showed your skills. :rolleyes:

BTW I like the "POS" statement from someone with a decade old F-body. :thumb:

Kris93/95Z28

09-16-2006, 09:18 AM

get a A HELL OF A LOT MORE creative with the styling and then I will be "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'd" Not some detuned 6L Geo Prizm/Cavalier/Lumina. :rolleyes:

I 100% agree that the GTO doesn't look overly unique & shares looks with a few of GMs other lines. Obviously, It resembles other Pontiacs. I guess that's that whole "brand recognition" thing. For better or worse it is what it is. I don't think it looks bad, and I agree others may really like it, or really dislike it.

Also, for the GM needing to "get A HELL OF A LOT MORE creative with the styling" comment, see below:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/745000-745999/745059_2_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/860000-860999/860656_6_full.jpg

It looks like some Storm DNA got into the 4th gen :eek: So, GM needs to be creative so you'll own one of their cars? It seems they weren't too creative, and you own one of their cars. :thumb:

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 02:57 PM

Intelligent response. You really showed your skills. :rolleyes:

BTW I like the "POS" statement from someone with a decade old F-body. :thumb:
So because I have a "decade old f-body" that means I can't have an opinion about the garbage barge? What kind of "intelligent response" is that? Is this some sort of, "I'm better than you because I have a brand spankin' new garbage barge and you don't..."? Kinda like the Eddie Murphy, "You don't got no ice cream cuz you can't affoood it you can't afoooooooood it cuz y0 fatha is an alcoolic........." skit?
I'll tell you a little something about my "decade old f-body". I love my car. I love i love everything about its looks. I think it looks a hell of a lot better than any boring ass garbage barge regardless of the gay "stock/stock/mod/mod" crap. It is old. The paint is pealing here and there. The clear coat is scratched. It has door dings from countless inconsiderate idiots and has spent the majority of its life outside. It's been border to border and coast to coast and it damn near looks every bit of the 130K miles it has on it right now. In that sense I call it my junker, my POS and countless other names. I could really give a rats ass what you call it and will agree with whatever name you use.
I LOVE the mentality of some of these garbage barge owners! It makes it all the more worth while when I CRACK THEIR TANK ASS with my "decade old f-body." :thumb:

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 03:11 PM

It looks like some Storm DNA got into the 4th gen :eek: So, GM needs to be creative so you'll own one of their cars? It seems they weren't too creative, and you own one of their cars. :thumb:
Yes yes it looks like a storm in the front and a Ford Probe in the back. However the 4th gen sure did get a lot of attention when it first came out. I'd like to see what the sales numbers were like compared to the garbage barge's debut.
I'm not going to sit here and bicker some stupid crap about which one looks better. We all have our opinions. My opinion is the garbage barge is BORING. It's a SNOOZE FEST. I fully believe the lines on my "decade old f-body" are far more exciting than a garbage barge and there's really not a thing you can say to make me change my mind. You can try if you wish and I will entertain your responses, but just don't get your feelings hurt like yellavette if you have a problems separating your ego from your barge that hauls garbage. :thum:

razor02097

09-16-2006, 03:49 PM

Kris93/95Z28

09-16-2006, 04:32 PM

So because I have a "decade old f-body" that means I can't have an opinion about the garbage barge? What kind of "intelligent response" is that?

Did I ever say you couldn't have an opinion? :think: I know everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you're going to state your opinion, atleast state your opinion in a somewhat adult like manner. That response looked like it was typed by an 8th grader, not an adult trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. That is why the statement was made.

As for the POS comment, it has nothing to do with my car cost more than yours. It has to do with the odds of a well kept, great condition, new touch, taste, feel (etc) 10 year old car existing are pretty slim. Let just say I was guessing your car was like 99.99% of everyone else's. Hence, a ragged out, 10 years worth of wear and tear, equals your average piece of sh!t. BTW, You're the one that confirmed what I stated ;):

I'll tell you a little something about my "decade old f-body". I love my car. I love i love everything about its looks. I think it looks a hell of a lot better than any boring ass garbage barge regardless of the gay "stock/stock/mod/mod" crap. It is old. The paint is pealing here and there. The clear coat is scratched. It has door dings from countless inconsiderate idiots and has spent the majority of its life outside. It's been border to border and coast to coast and it damn near looks every bit of the 130K miles it has on it right now. In that sense I call it my junker, my POS and countless other names. I could really give a rats ass what you call it and will agree with whatever name you use.

I don't think I am better than you because I drive a newer, or more expensive car. Please, don't think for one second that I need a GTO to be happy. Nor do I need any other car to define who I am. FYI, the GTO is my wife's daily driver :shock:

Here's a hint, try to carry yourself with some pride and maybe try to let your opinions be know using some tact. Maybe even splash up the conversation with some objective (rather than subjective) statements. :thumb:

Kris93/95Z28

09-16-2006, 04:45 PM

IMO the old style GTO is where its at. The new GTO body style looks to much like a grand prix. When GM designed the GTO instead of building a chassis they just "borrowed" from the Australians slapped a corvette engine in there and 'wha la' new GTO. Talk about lame

Don't get me wrong though I still hate how dodge can put out a 4 door charger and not a 2 door

That is all the GTO ever was, rebadge with a better engine:

1964 GTO:
http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/64gto.jpg
1964 Tempest:
http://ultimategto.com/1964/64_00041_3.jpg

1967 GTO:
http://ultimategto.com/1967/67_00009_4.jpg
1967 Le Mans:
http://ultimategto.com/1967/67_00233_1.jpg

1968 GTO:
http://ultimategto.com/1968/68h_00002_1.jpg
1968 Lemans:
http://ultimategto.com/1968/68h_00066_4.jpg

SS RRR

09-16-2006, 05:59 PM

Did I ever say you couldn't have an opinion? :think: I know everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you're going to state your opinion, atleast state your opinion in a somewhat adult like manner. That response looked like it was typed by an 8th grader, not an adult trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. That is why the statement was made.
Where's the fun in that? I don't take myself seriously enough to try to be politically correct when wanting to discuss the fundamentals of car enthusiasm.
As for the POS comment, it has nothing to do with my car cost more than yours. It has to do with the odds of a well kept, great condition, new touch, taste, feel (etc) 10 year old car existing are pretty slim. Let just say I was guessing your car was like 99.99% of everyone else's. Hence, a ragged out, 10 years worth of wear and tear, equals your average piece of sh!t. BTW, You're the one that confirmed what I stated ;):
Makes no matter to me what is said. It's mine. It's paid for and it cracks the ass of the average garbage barge.

98blckz28

09-17-2006, 02:55 PM

I have a 98 z... stock.. raced a 6.0 gto and had him by about a nose lengths.

camzaro28

09-17-2006, 03:49 PM

from what to what? 98blackz28.
stock for stock they run they same times, so it sounds completely reasonable.

izzyz28

09-18-2006, 03:54 PM

I have a 98 z... stock.. raced a 6.0 gto and had him by about a nose lengths.

That sounds completely reasonable to me. I really have no idea why SS RRR hates the GTO so much.:confused: It's a nice, quick, comfortable car that can be bought new, right now. Sure it's a few hundred pounds heavier than a fourth gen, so what? It performs on par with an LS-1 F-body in a straight line and is probably better in just about every way. If you're going to call the GTO a garbage barge, perhaps you should look at the offerings from Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. Many of them have curb weights above 4,000 pounds. The Italian cars' weight is comparable to a fourth-gen, actually more in many cases. The SL65 AMG weighs in at 4,564 pounds and according to the MB boards runs ~11.70 @ 125 bone stock. Not bad for an overweight garbage barge.

FWIW, I'll be purchasing an 05 or 06 Goat to use as a DD next Spring. I certainly see it as a step up from my 11-year-old car.

Zeueses 97 RamAir

09-18-2006, 04:41 PM

We are at 3 stil going and going.....:D

yellavette

09-18-2006, 07:15 PM

Wow, that's crazy.

I 100% agree that the GTO doesn't look overly unique & shares looks with a few of GMs other lines. Obviously, It resembles other Pontiacs. I guess that's that whole "brand recognition" thing. For better or worse it is what it is. I don't think it looks bad, and I agree others may really like it, or really dislike it.

Also, for the GM needing to "get A HELL OF A LOT MORE creative with the styling" comment, see below:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/745000-745999/745059_2_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/860000-860999/860656_6_full.jpg

It looks like some Storm DNA got into the 4th gen :eek: So, GM needs to be creative so you'll own one of their cars? It seems they weren't too creative, and you own one of their cars. :thumb:

yellavette

09-18-2006, 07:30 PM

The thing you never understood is that I don't care if you like it or not. That's your choice. If people didn't have different opinions, it'd be a boring world. I just care that you represent the facts correctly, which you don't. Losing the insults and making a little sense would be nice too.

And bragging about beating stockers with your heavily modded car is just plain stupid. You're car runs 14 mph faster than it did in stock form, so what's the point??

And there's a big difference between defending your ride against some childish, insult slinging internet dork and having an ego about it.

Yes yes it looks like a storm in the front and a Ford Probe in the back. However the 4th gen sure did get a lot of attention when it first came out. I'd like to see what the sales numbers were like compared to the garbage barge's debut.
I'm not going to sit here and bicker some stupid crap about which one looks better. We all have our opinions. My opinion is the garbage barge is BORING. It's a SNOOZE FEST. I fully believe the lines on my "decade old f-body" are far more exciting than a garbage barge and there's really not a thing you can say to make me change my mind. You can try if you wish and I will entertain your responses, but just don't get your feelings hurt like yellavette if you have a problems separating your ego from your barge that hauls garbage. :thum:

yellavette

09-18-2006, 08:05 PM

Nicely put.

That sounds completely reasonable to me. I really have no idea why SS RRR hates the GTO so much.:confused: It's a nice, quick, comfortable car that can be bought new, right now. Sure it's a few hundred pounds heavier than a fourth gen, so what? It performs on par with an LS-1 F-body in a straight line and is probably better in just about every way. If you're going to call the GTO a garbage barge, perhaps you should look at the offerings from Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. Many of them have curb weights above 4,000 pounds. The Italian cars' weight is comparable to a fourth-gen, actually more in many cases. The SL65 AMG weighs in at 4,564 pounds and according to the MB boards runs ~11.70 @ 125 bone stock. Not bad for an overweight garbage barge.

FWIW, I'll be purchasing an 05 or 06 Goat to use as a DD next Spring. I certainly see it as a step up from my 11-year-old car.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 03:30 AM

That sounds completely reasonable to me. I really have no idea why SS RRR hates the GTO so much.:confused: It's a nice, quick, comfortable car that can be bought new, right now. Sure it's a few hundred pounds heavier than a fourth gen, so what? I hate it because it's characterless, cloying, colorless, commonplace, dead*, drab, drag*, drudging, dull, flat*, ho hum, humdrum, insipid, interminable, irksome, lifeless, monotonous, moth-eaten, platitudinous, plebeian, prosaic, repetitious, routine, spiritless, stale, stereotyped, stodgy, stuffy, stupid, tame, tedious, threadbare, tiresome, tiring, trite, unexciting, unvaried, vapid, wearisome, well-worn, zero.
Perhaps these gentlemen will be able to answer your question further since I agree on most everything they state here:
BARRY WINFIELD
Having visited Holden's operations in Australia, where I drove the Holden Monaro on which this Pontiac is based, I was looking forward with great anticipation to driving a GTO in the States. A sporty rear-drive coupe with a Corvette motor, a manual six-speed, and a sport-tuned suspension sounds like our kind of car. But among the hordes of 10Best vehicles at our disposal that week, the GTO seemed anonymous-looking, with a somewhat sober interior despite the best GM seats anywhere. There's power aplenty, and the exhaust note is great, but real GTO heritage doesn't really extend beyond the V-8's warble.

BROCK YATES
The Pontiac styling department—presuming such an entity exists—has yo-yoed from the sublime to the ridiculous. After decades of festooning their vehicles with grotesque fiberglass stick-ons, they have created a GTO cunningly disguised as a phone-company fleet car. When I first spotted our dishwater-dull, battleship-gray GTO, I thought perhaps a Navy recruiter had stopped by in an attempt to snare a couple of our office interns. Did the dolts at Pontiac even take a peek at the 1964-65 Goats, the first truly vivid and now classic muscle cars? The GTO is a solid-performing Cinderella who lost her shoe before leaving for the party.

CSABA CSERE
Full marks to GM for conjuring up a thoroughly modern Pontiac GTO. A sophisticated chassis with disc brakes, an independent suspension at both ends, and rear-wheel drive is exactly what the 21st century demands. And the LS1 V-8 provides gutsy thrust in the GTO tradition. With the exception of a heavy shifter, all this hardware works well, and the car's $33,000 base price is right. However, the new goat's lines are simple and clean to the point of boredom. Other than beefy wheels and tires, the visuals do nothing to suggest performance and speed. A proper GTO should look butch. This one doesn't.

Like I've said before... If I want luxury then I'll drive something that is luxurious. I'll leave the performance up to my 10 year old junker. Make more sense?
I've never once said the f-body was light. I believe my exact reference (for the third time) is it's the, "boat anchor to the garbage barge."
It performs on par with an LS-1 F-body in a straight line and is probably better in just about every way.
Some clarity is in order. The LS2 garbage barge is running comperable times to the LS1 f-body.
If you're going to call the GTO a garbage barge, perhaps you should look at the offerings from Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. Many of them have curb weights above 4,000 pounds. The Italian cars' weight is comparable to a fourth-gen, actually more in many cases. The SL65 AMG weighs in at 4,564 pounds and according to the MB boards runs ~11.70 @ 125 bone stock. Not bad for an overweight garbage barge.

Now that's just plain silly to compare a $30K car to European luxory and exotic autos and I really don't understand your point. Are you one of those that can actually compare the garbage barge's styling to the above mentioned cars? :lol:
An 11.70 @ 125mph is a HELL of a lot better than a boring garbage barge hopping it's way down the track to anywhere between a 14 to low 13 second pass.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 03:38 AM

The thing you never understood is that I don't care if you like it or not. That's your choice. If people didn't have different opinions, it'd be a boring world. I just care that you represent the facts correctly, which you don't. Losing the insults and making a little sense would be nice too.
Funny you keep saying that yet you have not once supplied anything worthy to counter my argument. Once again I ask you what kind of ET's you ran with your 114mph wonderbarge passes? Your refusal to answer pretty much tells me I'm dead on when it comes to comparing IRS to live axle in straight line performance.
And bragging about beating stockers with your heavily modded car is just plain stupid. You're car runs 14 mph faster than it did in stock form, so what's the point??
The point is watching the faces of the oblivious who think they're jiggidy garbage barge is faster. They don't need to know what's done to my junk! All they need to know is they got beat by a 10 year old POS. It hurts the ego and that makes me giggle.
And there's a big difference between defending your ride against some childish, insult slinging internet dork and having an ego about it.
No there's not. If there were you wouldn't be involved in this thread right now. BTW is it considered "staulking" if you continue to induldge yourself with replies? :think:

Kris93/95Z28

09-19-2006, 05:44 AM

The point is watching the faces of the oblivious who think they're jiggidy garbage barge is faster. They don't need to know what's done to my junk! All they need to know is they got beat by a 10 year old POS. It hurts the ego and that makes me giggle.

SS RRR,
I understand the comments on the looks thing. I'll give you that. Hell, you can't win them all.

But this brings me to the next point: You wouldn't happen to live your life one quarter mile at a time would you? Me and my wife live in a world where a car is used for more than 1/4 mile blasts, and we drive the car for more than 12 seconds at a time, we drive the car where there is uneven pavement, and on hot and cold days, take it on trips, and even drive it in the rain. This is why the GTO is a great car. It is comfortable, and rides well, and is still faster than 99% of the stuff out there. We don't drive WOT every where we go, but should the need arise, the GTO has the guts to beat most everything else out there. Even a few LT1s have seen its tail lights :o

The one thing you keep coming back too is the mine's faster than yours' argument. Sorry, but this is childish, and doesn't help you one bit. I can't agree that simpy based on the fact that your heads, cam, full exhaust, and geared LT1 is faster than a stock GTO, you see them as slow. A car's worth is much more than its straight line ability.

By your mode of thinking, I guess that pretty much all performance cars can/should? be branded as slow by anyone because someone out there has a modified car that can outrun a stock one. There is a low 10 second Civic that runs at the local track. I guess that means all Vettes, Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, Vipers, most all exotics, etc... are slow and junk when compared to a Civic because stock they can't pull the times that this guy does?!?!? :think:

If you want to hate the GTO, hate it for real reasons: looks, ride, handling, acceleration compared to other new cars in its class... Not, my modified car can outrun a stock one. Come on guy, that is a lame argument. Move on. :thumb:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 08:16 AM

SS RRR,
I understand the comments on the looks thing. I'll give you that. Hell, you can't win them all.

But this brings me to the next point: You wouldn't happen to live your life one quarter mile at a time would you?

The one thing you keep coming back too is the mine's faster than yours' argument. Sorry, but this is childish, and doesn't help you one bit. I can't agree that simpy based on the fact that your heads, cam, full exhaust, and geared LT1 is faster than a stock GTO, you see them as slow.
Acceleration wise I see them as inefficient for the engine they have. I am not like the lost 30 to 40somethings who want to achieve the best of both worlds and resort to something mediocre. Once again... like a broken record... if I want luxury I'll drive something luxurious. Hell I just might get to that phase where most GTO buyers are and purchase something MOR. If I do that it better damn well not look like a '94 Geo Prizm!
You may think it's childish if you fit into the demographic as described above.
I guess that pretty much all performance cars can/should be branded as slow by anyone because someone out there has a modified car that can outrun a stock one.
Why... YES! How else should you look at it? I guarandamntee if a stock GTO was faster than my modified LT1 then there'd be hoards of replies regarding your exact comments reversed. If I were to try and counter those statements then I'd be the one being laughed at.
I have seen a low 10 second Civic run at a local track. I guess that means all Vettes, Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, Vipers, etc... are slow and junk when compared to a Civic because stock they are pulling those times?!?!?
Do wha? What cars are pulling what times? Stock "Vettes, Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, Vipers, etc..." are pulling low 10 second passes? :lol: !!!
What planet did you come from? If I see a low 10 second Civic that is streetable then yes I am more impressed for that car then the slower car it's running. I am not brand loyal. Any car I race no matter what make/model is my enemy. Perhaps you miss the point in modifying? I modify my car because I want to be faster and more competitive. With that comes trash talk. If there was no trash talk then the kills section would be obsolete. You do remember what forum you are in, right? :rolleyes:
Come on guy, that is a lame argument. Move on. :thumb:
You are making it a lame argument with these stupid scenarios. Because you insist on replying you should remember at least a portion of what I've stated. I'll make it easy for you and say once again... like a broken record... I never said the GTO was junk. yellavette tried to make that same retarded retort. I merely stated they were as heavy as a garbage barge which equates to them being slow and boring for what they are.
My car suits me just fine for what it is. I don't care that it's 10 years old. It has everything I want and I get satisfaction on running those who have the, "You can't beat me because it's a new car and yours is a pile of 10 y/o poo!" mentality. If anything, that's childish and I run into that attitude all the time. I've seen it on this very thread.

P.S. If GM grew a sack and mass produced a 427 GTO then I would be impressed.

izzyz28

09-19-2006, 08:45 AM

Hey, I agree that to most the styling is boring and uninspired, but you know what, not everyone, myself included, wants a flashy car. IMO the GTO looks better than my 95 Z28. I really don't care for the way the front end of the Camaro looks, and the same goes for the nose of the LT1 Firebird. To each his own I guess. It seems like your main argument here is that that the GTO does not make very good use of it's power. It has IRS, it wheelhops, it weighs 400 pounds more than an F-body, it only runs 13's with 400 hp, etc.. Well, as horrible as you think that is, I'd take it in a heartbeat! I don't give a rat's ass if it SHOULD run mid 12's or cut 1.7 60' times. Hell, my Z28 ran 13.0 @ 114 the couple times I sprayed it, I guess it doesn't make very good use of its power either.

P.S.: Quoting magazine editors from C&D or R&T doesn't mean much around here.

97bowtie

09-19-2006, 06:07 PM

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 06:20 PM

Hell, my Z28 ran 13.0 @ 114 the couple times I sprayed it, I guess it doesn't make very good use of its power either.
You are exactly right. That would've been extremely funny to see and if I were a friend of yours who witnessed that run I'd never let you live it down.
P.S.: Quoting magazine editors from C&D or R&T doesn't mean much around here.
Hmmm.... performance reviews are one thing however styling is completely different. Those "magazine editors" have an open ticket to drive the snot out of most every car manufactured in the world. Their asses have been planted in more cars than you have in your 13.0@114 turd bucket. They know a hell of a lot more about styling/refinement than any of us in this thread put together.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 06:28 PM

SS RRR get over it. You own a 10 year old piece of ****, I own a 13 year old piece of ****, a lot of guys on here own pieces of ****. Just because some of us can afford to drive pieces of **** that are faster than your piece of ****, and still have a nice, comfortable, mildly quick car like a GTO to drive everyday doesn't mean you have to hate everyone. Stop being jealous and life will get easier for you.
Ah... the "got to" poor white trash blanket reply. It's as original as your garbage barge piece of ****. ;) However there are flaws in what you state. I don't hate anyone. I hate the car. Again you and yellavette seem to have that ego/car thing all tangled together and have no choice (since you do not know any better) but to personalize your replies.
Funny how the narrow minded always think if an object is hated it is always desired. Perhaps typing from personal experience?

P.S. Did you forget what forum this is?

97bowtie

09-19-2006, 06:31 PM

Ah... the "got to" poor white trash blanket reply. It's as original as your garbage barge piece of ****. ;) However there are flaws in what you state. I don't hate anyone. I hate the car. Again you and yellavette seem to have that ego/car thing all tangled together and have no choice (since you do not know any better) but to personalize your replies.
Funny how the narrow minded always think if an object is hated it is always desired. Perhaps typing from personal experience?

P.S. Did you forget what forum this is?

Not going to argue w/you (anymore than I already have) like a 10-year-old, but if you're not jealous (highly unlikely) then you are just a bitter little guy. Either way, not my problem. :)

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 06:52 PM

Not going to argue w/you (anymore than I already have) like a 10-year-old, but if you're not jealous (highly unlikely) then you are just a bitter little guy. Either way, not my problem. :)
This is what I like about the garbage barge mentality. If you have a differing opinion regarding the garbage barge you are an outcast.
It's very funny to read!
I'd rather not be one of the brand loyal lemmings and attatch myself to the scrote of GM by celebrating mediocrity whenever they spit out something sub par.

97bowtie

09-19-2006, 06:57 PM

This is what I like about the garbage barge mentality. If you have a differing opinion regarding the garbage barge you are an outcast.
It's very funny to read!
I'd rather attatch myself to the scrote of GM by celebrating mediocrity whenever they spit out something sub par.

You're missing the point bro. The fact that you argue and whine because people don't agree that the GTO is a piece of **** makes you an 'outcast' as you call it. Your attitude is the problem, not your opinion. :)

You seem like an alright guy in other forums *shrug*, maybe you just use the kill section to express your alter ego. :P

camzaro28

09-19-2006, 07:01 PM

I B T L

Kris93/95Z28

09-19-2006, 07:46 PM

I merely stated they were as heavy as a garbage barge which equates to them being slow and boring for what they are.
My car suits me just fine for what it is.

Yeah, they are heavy when compared to a 4th gen. But I fail to see how a car that in stock form that is high 12/low 13 second capable is slow? Coming from someone whose car would be lucky to run anything better than a 13.8 stock? Why did you buy the 96 in the first place?

I don't care that it's 10 years old. It has everything I want and I get satisfaction on running those who have the, "You can't beat me because it's a new car and yours is a pile of 10 y/o poo!" mentality. If anything, that's childish and I run into that attitude all the time. I've seen it on this very thread.

Ummm, okay... Back to the the "Look at the big ole chip on my shoulder, he thinks he's better than me, my 10 year old car thing." Frankly, I am not sure anyone gives a sh!t about YOUR car. Like I have stated many times. If you want to hate the GTO, fine, that's your right. All I have asked is that you hate it for real reasons.

i.e. If the GTO is too slow:
What times would you expect it to run in stock form to be fast?

P.S. If GM grew a sack and mass produced a 427 GTO then I would be impressed.

I highly doubt it. :thumb:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 08:15 PM

You're missing the point bro. The fact that you argue and whine because people don't agree that the GTO is a piece of **** makes you an 'outcast' as you call it. Your attitude is the problem, not your opinion. :)

You seem like an alright guy in other forums *shrug*, maybe you just use the kill section to express your alter ego. :P
Oh contrar munfrar.... I have no problem with anyone calling my car whatever it is they desire. I don't care what others think about it. It gives me the satisfaction I need when I drive it maybe once or twice a week. My attitude? So now that I express my opinion on what I think of a garbage barge it is now an attitude problem? :lol:!
You garbage barge owners kill me! :lol:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 08:28 PM

Yeah, they are heavy when compared to a 4th gen. But I fail to see how a car that in stock form that is high 12/low 13 second capable is slow? Coming from someone whose car would be lucky to run anything better than a 13.8 stock? Why did you buy the 96 in the first place?
I actually didn't like the SS the first time I saw it in C&D. My wife and brother-in-law actually talked me into buying it because it was reportedly faster than the regular Z28 and I wanted to stop being bullied by all the Mustangs that were destroying my '85 V6 Camaro. :p
So the plan was to buy the SS (the look grew on me), keep it stock, started a turbo charged project on the '85. That fell through since what I wanted to do was going to be in the neighborhood of $10K (not including chassis and drivetrain) and decided to mod the SS and haven't regretted it for a second. Both my sons love the SS and that gives me enough incentive to keep it. Is that enough of a life story for you? :D
BTW... My SS completely stock w/ BFG Comp T/A's ran a 13.6 @ 102 at its best. There have been reports all along the eastern seaboard of SS's running in the low 13's. But by all means, don't take my word for it. I'm not going to get into the dumb stock/stock/mod/mod argument.
Ummm, okay... Back to the the "Look at the big ole chip on my shoulder, he thinks he's better than me, my 10 year old car thing." Frankly, I am not sure anyone gives a sh!t about YOUR car. Like I have stated many times. If you want to hate the GTO, fine, that's your right. All I have asked is that you hate it for real reasons.

They are "real reasons". Perhaps not for you, but they are for me. I will not be forced to like something based on yours or anyone else’s opinions. It still is a free country? If no one gave a **** about my car then why is everyone posting trying to convince me I'm wrong? :confused:
You'd be surprised of the sudden interest those have in my car once they get beat. :yes:
i.e. If the GTO is too slow:
What times would you expect it to run in stock form to be fast?

P.S. If GM grew a sack and mass produced a 427 GTO then I would be impressed.
I highly doubt it. :thumb:
Which is why I am not impressed.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 08:29 PM

I B T L
As long as people don't get their ego mixed into the car thing and not take it to a personal level then I really don't see where the problem is in having a discussion about performance.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 08:33 PM

P.S.: Quoting magazine editors from C&D or R&T doesn't mean much around here.
I must recant part of my statement regarding the argument of whether or not editors of C&D know anything about performance. Do you have any idea who Brock Yates is? If not, you should do a little research. ;)

izzyz28

09-19-2006, 08:39 PM

Hmmm, there are guys out there running 12's with 102 MPH traps. How come your garbage barge can't run better than mid 13's, at its best? Doesn't sound like a very efficient use of power to me.:confused:

Oh yes, I know who Brock Yates is, and that still doesn't change the fact that styling is purely subjective. There really is no right and wrong when it comes to styling. There can be a concensus, yes, but that's about it. Just because Brock Yates has an opinion doesn't make it fact.

Kris93/95Z28

09-19-2006, 08:40 PM

Which is why I am not impressed.

You didn't answer the question.

Once again. What would it take for a GTO to be fast? I am talking about horsepower, 1/4 mile times, and trap speeds, not cubic inches. Cubic inches aren't not a determination of how fast a car is.

yellavette

09-19-2006, 09:30 PM

Umm, when did you ask for et's? I never saw that. And quit with the IRS. It makes you sound like an idiot. The only problem I have is tire spin. My best e.t off bottle is a 12.44, which I'm proud of given my my skinny street tires. Now go ahead and rip that apart so you feel better about your car.

Funny you keep saying that yet you have not once supplied anything worthy to counter my argument. Once again I ask you what kind of ET's you ran with your 114mph wonderbarge passes? Your refusal to answer pretty much tells me I'm dead on when it comes to comparing IRS to live axle in straight line performance.

The point is watching the faces of the oblivious who think they're jiggidy garbage barge is faster. They don't need to know what's done to my junk! All they need to know is they got beat by a 10 year old POS. It hurts the ego and that makes me giggle.

No there's not. If there were you wouldn't be involved in this thread right now. BTW is it considered "staulking" if you continue to induldge yourself with replies? :think:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 09:38 PM

Hmmm, there are guys out there running 12's with 102 MPH traps. How come your garbage barge can't run better than mid 13's, at its best? Doesn't sound like a very efficient use of power to me.:confused:
Aww... the ol' reverse psychology trick... I know of no f-body or GTO Garbage Barge that is running 12's at 102mph. Second... the subject keeps being brought up comparing other cars to either the garbage barge or the Camaro. Keep things in focus here. Thirdly.... as stated before. Don't care what you think. You are one to type with that astounding 13sec. pass @ 102mph. You and yellavette should race. Probably would be close!
I think for what I've done to my junker it's been good for me. Get it yet?
Oh yes, I know who Brock Yates is, and that still doesn't change the fact that styling is purely subjective. There really is no right and wrong when it comes to styling. There can be a concensus, yes, but that's about it. Just because Brock Yates has an opinion doesn't make it fact.
Everything is subjective. I'm not stating anything I've said as concrete fact. As stated for the bazillionth time it's my OPINION. I am telling YOU how I feel about the Pontiac GTO GARBAGE BARGE. But I trust the opinion of the experienced long before I'd listen to the average joe. Especially when their experienced opinion agrees w/ mine.

yellavette

09-19-2006, 09:40 PM

yellavette

09-19-2006, 09:47 PM

Since when did my car become a 13 sec. car? 11.89 is a far cry from 13's. You keep talking, but what are you running? Is that what your real problem is? That a car you hate and have all kinds of preconceived (ignorant) notions about is actually faster than your car?

Aww... the ol' reverse psychology trick... I know of no f-body or GTO Garbage Barge that is running 12's at 102mph. Second... the subject keeps being brought up comparing other cars to either the garbage barge or the Camaro. Keep things in focus here. Thirdly.... as stated before. Don't care what you think. You are one to type with that astounding 13sec. pass @ 102mph. You and yellavette should race. Probably would be close!
I think for what I've done to my junker it's been good for me. Get it yet?

Everything is subjective. I'm not stating anything I've said as concrete fact. As stated for the bazillionth time it's my OPINION. I am telling YOU how I feel about the Pontiac GTO GARBAGE BARGE. But I trust the opinion of the experienced long before I'd listen to the average joe. Especially when their experienced opinion agrees w/ mine.

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 09:51 PM

Umm, when did you ask for et's?
So tell me... via PM you said you've ran 114mph through the traps off the bottle but you conveniently did not supply the ET you ran yet you want to crow on about IRS... So what ET did you run w/ that 114mph? What 60'?
I never saw that. And quit with the IRS. It makes you sound like an idiot. The only problem I have is tire spin.
LMMFGDHAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh the humanity! Oh the irony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does any of that "tire spin" sound like:
hophophophophophophophophophophophophophophophopho phop?
:lol:
Yeah the only reason why I don't run 320mph is because I don't have a 6000hp (yes that's flywheel) dragster. :lol:
My best e.t off bottle is a 12.44, which I'm proud of given my my skinny street tires. Now go ahead and rip that apart so you feel better about your car.
Don't be mad! That is a GREAT ET for skinny tires and a slippery uphill track in the middle of winter with the greatest snow storm ever including a nasty head wind. :yes:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 09:56 PM

Are you too dumb to see that you're the one putting down everyone who has a different opinion than you? It's your mentality, not ours. If we don't agree with you that the GTO is an overweight POS because your modded car is faster, you get all worked up. Is every car that fails to break into the 12's stock a POS? Was your car a POS until you modded it? It doesn't even make sense.
That's because you just can't seperate your ego from your car. Where have I put any one person down? As stated this is about cars. Not about the people who drive them. Do you understand or does it need to be signed?
I'm talking trash about cars. From what I understand that is allowed on this forum. If you take it personally that is your problem and you probably should avoid posting. Don't see any post where I'm getting "worked up" as you say. :)
And no I don't think every car that doesn't break into 12's stock is a POS. Once again this discussion is about the GTO. How many times do you need to be reminded of that? :irk:

SS RRR

09-19-2006, 10:01 PM

izzyz28

09-19-2006, 10:02 PM

Aww... the ol' reverse psychology trick... I know of no f-body or GTO Garbage Barge that is running 12's at 102mph. Second... the subject keeps being brought up comparing other cars to either the garbage barge or the Camaro. Keep things in focus here. Thirdly.... as stated before. Don't care what you think. You are one to type with that astounding 13sec. pass @ 102mph. You and yellavette should race. Probably would be close!
I think for what I've done to my junker it's been good for me. Get it yet?

You're the one that has a problem with a 400 HP car running 13's, not me. Also, you're the one running mid 13's @ 102, not me. I'm trapping almost 108 mph and running low 13's(albeit with more power), in the same car you compare the "garbage barge" to, and the same car you yourself own. IMO the fourth gen F-body is also a garbage barge, because after all, any self-respecting car would be running at least mid-12's at that trap speed, right?

Not all of us seem to be quite as concerned as you that our daily drivers squeeze every last bit of ET from the available horsepower. Some things are more important to us, and if that means extra weight, then so be it. Every time I have ran my car at the track it has been at full weight, at least half a tank of gas, my 260 pound ass, and hot off the street. What exactly should a 400 HP, 3,800 pound car run in your opinion? I think 13's are damn good.

HardcoreRM125

09-20-2006, 12:22 AM

Not to make this any worse, but here is some food for thought for both of you:

First off, GM ****ed up calling it the GTO. Alot of people hate them for that reason alone. Its not muscle-car looking, its not muscle car oriented ( Big Engine, Mid Size Car, LRA ) ...

Second, if you take it for what it is, Yea its a neat car. Its a nice overall vehicle, its not too blingy looking, it runs 13's, and its interior ( Other than being ugly ) is very high quality for what you pay for. You get a full size BMW type vehicle, for half the price.

From a muscle car standpoint, it IS too heavy. From performance perspectives, having a 6.0L, 400HP, and trapping at 106 give or take, low 13's ... It is bad for the power. No its not slow. But for the power its making, from a performance standpoint, there are better bang for your buck vehicles.

If you were to build a street/strip car, a GTO is NOT the best choice for it. Now if you want luxery, fast, in a not so muscle-car fashion, then it would be great. It just doesnt fill the muscle-car void like a Camaro does or Trans Am.

And using a muscle car name, on a NON-MUSCLE car gets everyone bitchy about it.

SS RRR

09-20-2006, 12:40 AM

You're the one that has a problem with a 400 HP car running 13's, not me. Also, you're the one running mid 13's @ 102, not me. I'm trapping almost 108 mph and running low 13's(albeit with more power), in the same car you compare the "garbage barge" to, and the same car you yourself own.
Errr.... I was running mid 13's bone stock. Car isn't bone stock anymore. ;)
IMO the fourth gen F-body is also a garbage barge, because after all, any self-respecting car would be running at least mid-12's at that trap speed, right?
What trap speed? 108mph? I would venture to say high 12's.
I agree. As I've stated... like a broken record... the f-body is like, "an anchor to the garbage barge..." meaning it's also heavy. But you still don't get it. This isn't about any other car than the GTO. I whole heartedly agree that there are some slow turd f-body's out there that aren't running the times they should for their mph, but I'll save those arguments for the, "what should I be running with my mph.." type threads if I feel so inclined. Problem is those threads have been and gone and now there's fresh meat to pick on. :D
It's a guaranteed fact a f-body makes more use of its power in straight line performance than the garbage barge thanks to live axle and the ability to beef up the drivetrain if necessary.
Not all of us seem to be quite as concerned as you that our daily drivers squeeze every last bit of ET from the available horsepower. Some things are more important to us, and if that means extra weight, then so be it.
Then the GTO forum is better suited for your needs.
Every time I have ran my car at the track it has been at full weight, at least half a tank of gas, my 260 pound ass, and hot off the street. What exactly should a 400 HP, 3,800 pound car run in your opinion? I think 13's are damn good.
It runs just were it should for a heavy garbage barge with IRS. Does that answer your question? Why is it so hard to understand I'm not impressed that a 400hp car only runs low 13's (and worse for the ls1 garbage barge)?

SS RRR

09-20-2006, 12:46 AM

Not to make this any worse, but here is some food for thought for both of you:

First off, GM ****ed up calling it the GTO. Alot of people hate them for that reason alone. Its not muscle-car looking, its not muscle car oriented ( Big Engine, Mid Size Car, LRA ) ...
I agree.
Second, if you take it for what it is, Yea its a neat car. Its a nice overall vehicle, its not too blingy looking, it runs 13's, and its interior ( Other than being ugly ) is very high quality for what you pay for. You get a full size BMW type vehicle, for half the price.
What kind of BMW? I much prefer the looks of a Bimmer (damn near any of them) than the garbage barge.
From a muscle car standpoint, it IS too heavy. From performance perspectives, having a 6.0L, 400HP, and trapping at 106 give or take, low 13's ... It is bad for the power. No its not slow. But for the power its making, from a performance standpoint, there are better bang for your buck vehicles.

Agreed.
If you were to build a street/strip car, a GTO is NOT the best choice for it. Now if you want luxery, fast, in a not so muscle-car fashion, then it would be great. It just doesnt fill the muscle-car void like a Camaro does or Trans Am. And using a muscle car name, on a NON-MUSCLE car gets everyone bitchy about it.
Once again I agree. There are those as stated above who aren't concerned with that and there lies the problem when they venture into a "TRACK KILLS" forum. :yes:

Kris93/95Z28

09-20-2006, 07:20 AM

You didn't answer the question.

Once again. What would it take for a GTO to be fast? I am talking about horsepower, 1/4 mile times, and trap speeds, not cubic inches. Cubic inches aren't not a determination of how fast a car is.

SS RRR,
I know you read it. So, do you plan on answering the question? :shock:
Let me know. :thumb:

Kris93/95Z28

09-20-2006, 07:29 AM

But for the power its making, from a performance standpoint, there are better bang for your buck vehicles.

This is an honest question. What better bang for the buck vehicles are you thinking about? Could you name a few that come to mind?
Thanks!

SS RRR

09-20-2006, 08:08 AM

SS RRR,
I know you read it. So, do you plan on answering the question? :shock:
Let me know. :thumb:
ugh.........
I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
And now you are trying to modify it in some sort of retarded scheme to think I'll contradict myself. Nice try but it won't work.
I like big cubes. Most anything with a big block or big cubes gets my attention. Therefore if the GTO had the LS7 I would be very happy for the car and would overlook the other flaws.
Once again... like a broken record... I think the GTO runs right where it should for being a garbage barge with IRS. If you can't find an answer to my reply then you do not qualify for this discussion and you will be ejected from this thread.
Now please... if you have anything of substance to add, feel free to post up. For this is the last time I will reply to your retarded question.

Thank you

izzyz28

09-20-2006, 08:23 AM

Hmmm, ok, let me try to sort this out. You agree that the GTO runs right where it should. It has 400 horsepower. It weighs ~3,800 pounds and is considered "heavy". It has IRS and is prone to wheelhop. There are other cars out there with 400 horsepower that make much better use of said power in a straight line. If the GTO weren't so heavy or had quite a bit more power you would be much happier with it, because then it would be a drag racing machine. Is that what you're getting at, or am I missing the point?

camzaro28

09-20-2006, 09:34 AM

id take 05/06 GT over the GTO. runs the same times stock and, mod for mod runs about the same ( talking bolt ons) and looks better doing it.

korrrray34

09-20-2006, 10:03 AM

i would rather have a GTO than a mustang GT. GT did look good about a year ago but now that everybody has one, it does not look special anymore. Plus Ive seen some nice looking GTOs, they do look cool with couple touch-ups, like stripes/scoops/ and the newer stock altezzas. Also , the interior on GTOs look 20 times better than a GT's interior. GT's interior is really cheap looking, kind of like 4th gen f-bodys.

izzyz28

09-20-2006, 11:03 AM

I would also take the GTO over the GT, especially after hearing about the rather poor quality of the GT interior. If going fast were all I cared about, then I would choose neither car. However, at roughly the same price, $25-$30K, I can't think of a single reason besides styling to pick the GT over an 05-06 GTO.

HardcoreRM125

09-20-2006, 12:56 PM

Kris93/95Z28 ~ Better bang for your buck:

Older Z06 Vette
LS1 Vette
SRT4
03/04 Cobra
LS1 F-Body

As stated, the new GT's are comparable, and quite a bit cheaper.

And, while the GTO's interior is really high quality, which I can first hand vouch for, it is not for me. It just doesnt look like it should be fast. It doesnt have that "****-pit" feel that the 93-02 F-Body does. This is a personal preference.

But at any rate, if I was to buy another car, I would look at those before a GTO. Not in that particular order, but ...

korrrray34

09-20-2006, 02:24 PM

the point that most of you guys are missing, GTO is not a rough-riding, plastic interior, loud, badass muscle car. GTO is for older people with money that do not want a powerful cage but want comfort/speed and class.
Ive been to eastern EU last summer and I saw a GTO in a car dealer next to an m3 and an s4. Thats the type of a car GTO was meant to be. Thats why the interior is designed to be "classy" , looking like a TT/s4 kind of an interior.

So comparing a GTO to a neon srt-4 does not make any sense. It would make lot more sense to put cobalt ss in srt 4 comparison, and charger daytona RT in GTOs comparison list.

00Z28SS

09-20-2006, 02:41 PM

Well my Dad can beat up your Dad! :cool:

yellavette

09-20-2006, 02:46 PM

Hardcore, none of those cars are new cars. You can't compare a used car to a new one in a bang for the buck argument. The Srt4 is the only one still being made (it is, right?) and it doesn't compare at all. Low 20's gets you a 14 sec. neon. For $26,800 you can get a GTO that's as much as a second faster and RWD.

SSR, the only thing I want to comment on in your tirades is the fact that think there's no ability to beef up the drivetrain with the GTO!? Wtf are you talking about?? Every part of the drivetrain from the tranny to the axle stubs is upgradable if necessary, although I've heard of more fbodies destroying their 10 bolt than I've heard of problems in the GTO.

Kris93/95Z28 ~ Better bang for your buck:

Older Z06 Vette
LS1 Vette
SRT4
03/04 Cobra
LS1 F-Body

As stated, the new GT's are comparable, and quite a bit cheaper.

And, while the GTO's interior is really high quality, which I can first hand vouch for, it is not for me. It just doesnt look like it should be fast. It doesnt have that "****-pit" feel that the 93-02 F-Body does. This is a personal preference.

But at any rate, if I was to buy another car, I would look at those before a GTO. Not in that particular order, but ...

yellavette

09-20-2006, 02:49 PM

Personal preference is personal preference, but your facts are wrong. They don't run the same times stock. C&D did a head to head between the two, and even though they picked the stang cause it had a much higher "gotta have it factor" cause it was brand new at the time, the GTO killed it in every performance catagory. It was a half second faster, handled better, top end, etc. I've killed 2 GT's in my LS1.

id take 05/06 GT over the GTO. runs the same times stock and, mod for mod runs about the same ( talking bolt ons) and looks better doing it.

korrrray34

09-20-2006, 03:25 PM

yellavette, they dont make the srt4 neons anymore, actually they stopped making neons. The crappiest Dodge model spot is replaced by caliber , I think.
I heard that they will produce a 310 hp srt4 in the next couple of years but it will be called srt 4, not srt4 neon. But its just a rumor.

SS RRR

09-20-2006, 08:44 PM

Personal preference is personal preference, but your facts are wrong.
Everybody's "facts are wrong" othre than yours?
You bought your car used therefore he can absolutely make that argument especially with you!

Kris93/95Z28

09-20-2006, 09:41 PM

ugh.........
I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
And now you are trying to modify it in some sort of retarded scheme to think I'll contradict myself. Nice try but it won't work.
I like big cubes. Most anything with a big block or big cubes gets my attention. Therefore if the GTO had the LS7 I would be very happy for the car and would overlook the other flaws.
Once again... like a broken record... I think the GTO runs right where it should for being a garbage barge with IRS. If you can't find an answer to my reply then you do not qualify for this discussion and you will be ejected from this thread.
Now please... if you have anything of substance to add, feel free to post up. For this is the last time I will reply to your retarded question.

Thank you

WHEN DID YOU EVER MENTION AN LS7?

So now the statement, "It needs a 427" automatically implies a LS7 is what you're talking about? Wow. I guess I learned something today. :rolleyes:

"Overlook the flaws?" Dude, you drive a decade old F-Body... Would you like to talk about its flaws that us 4th gen F-Body owners have over looked for almost 15 years?

Also, You keep coming back to it how the GTO doesn't posess the qualities that you think it should have. What your expecting can't be delivered at any price point near what its at now. What is the lowest priced car with 500 + horsepower? A Shelby Mustang? I guess those are only $15,000 more than the GTO. A LS7 GTO? What would you sell it for? Would this GTO have the Z06's performance, and still cost $40,000 less :rolleyes:

Let's talk about your car a bit more. A 3700 lb car needs 505 horsepower to be impressive, yet a 3400 lb car with 305 horsepower is enough to get you to open your wallet? Do you understand division enough to compute power to weight ratio? Even a LS1 GTO has a better power to weight ratio than your LT1 did when you bought it. :eek:

This isn't getting anywhere. All I have ever asked is that you us real data to base statements on. Compare it to real factors, i.e. "A new M3 offers this...", etc.

Whether or not the GTO (sans LS7) impresses you really is mute point. You can't afford one, and if you could you'd atleast own a LS1 F-Body by now :p

HardcoreRM125

09-20-2006, 11:33 PM

Now I wouldnt go that far lol ... I could afford a LS1 F-Body but choose to stick with my car. I think my LT1 car is, honestly, one of the best looking cars on the road. Thats why I bought a wrecked LT1 F-Body to fix and drive and not a wrecked LS1 ... If you look at smashed up totaled cars, the two are priced nearly identical ...

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 12:37 AM

WHEN DID YOU EVER MENTION AN LS7?

So now the statement, "It needs a 427" automatically implies a LS7 is what you're talking about? Wow. I guess I learned something today. :rolleyes:
Uh... I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to imply here therefore I cannot rightly respond. Last I checked the Gen III SBC 427 was a LS7? :confused: And the last time I checked the subject was understood this was about the latest abomination GM created to call a GTO? :confused:
"Overlook the flaws?" Dude, you drive a decade old F-Body... Would you like to talk about its flaws that us 4th gen F-Body owners have over looked for almost 15 years?
What would be the point? The 4th gen f-body was significantly cheaper than the garbage barge. Of course my SS was more expensive, but I got a few nice goodies out of it. It'd be interesting to see what the GTO would go for if SLP ever got their dirty hands on it. :rolleyes:
As I've stated over and over and over and over again. I could care less.. My car has power windows, heat, A/C and a nice stereo. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME! If I want more creature comforts I'll drive the family car. How many times do you need to be told this before it finally sinks in?
Also, You keep coming back to it how the GTO doesn't posess the qualities that you think it should have. What your expecting can't be delivered at any price point near what its at now. What is the lowest priced car with 500 + horsepower? A Shelby Mustang? I guess those are only $15,000 more than the GTO. A LS7 GTO? What would you sell it for? Would this GTO have the Z06's performance, and still cost $40,000 less :rolleyes:

I could care less what a LS7 GTO would be priced at. Never said I'd buy one. Just said I'd be impressed w/ GM if they ever grew a sack and dared to be different. And no the GTO would not have Z06 performance. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A GARBAGE BARGE!
Let's talk about your car a bit more. A 3700 lb car needs 505 horsepower to be impressive, yet a 3400 lb car with 305 horsepower is enough to get you to open your wallet?
Let's see... back 10 to 13 years ago what else was available with 275-285hp that was in the low 20's? What else was available 10 years ago with 305hp for around 30K? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING!
Do you understand division enough to compute power to weight ratio? Even a LS1 GTO has a better power to weight ratio than your LT1 did when you bought it. :eek:
Better power to weight ratio... so a LS2 garbage barge with almost 100 more hp than my LT1 runs a couple tenths faster. I wonder which one uses their power more efficiently in straight line? Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. :rolleyes:
This isn't getting anywhere. All I have ever asked is that you us real data to base statements on. Compare it to real factors, i.e. "A new M3 offers this...", etc.
Okay... the LT1 SS offers 13.6 or faster et's factory stock. The LS1 SS offers low 13's to high 12's factory stock. The LS1 garbage barge offers mid to high 13's factory stock. The LS2 garbage barge offers low 13's to high 12's factory stock.
All figures represented are from those owners who can actually drive worth a damn. Are you happy now?
As I've stated... over and over again... like a broken record... I don't care when it comes to stock/stock/mod/mod/price crap. Only crybabies complain about money to mods. If you can't afford to run your car then you shouldn't be running off at the keyboard making all kinds of stock/stock/mod/mod ricer excuses. All what I've stated has been very simple. It is you who and others coming up with these retarded complex arguments trying to convince me to respect something I don't like. You like it? You want one? Good for you. I don't like it. Don't want one. Want to beat them in races. Good for me. It's just elementary, my dear Watson.
Whether or not the GTO (sans LS7) impresses you really is mute point. You can't afford one, and if you could you'd at least own a LS1 F-Body by now :p
oh neat... If I could shell out almost 30K 10 years ago for my junker what makes you think I couldn't afford a garbage barge now?

P.S.
18436572 f0 lyfe!

Kris93/95Z28

09-21-2006, 05:48 AM

What would be the point? The 4th gen f-body was significantly cheaper than the garbage barge.

Calling a car stupid names is an awesome way to get your point across. I'll try it some in this post!

YOU ARE WRONG. The LS1 SS and WS6 cars were just as expensive in 2002 as the GTO is in 2006. Actually, once you start talking about a fully optioned Ram Air convertible the number goes well above the GTO's price which caps around $34,000.

I could care less what a LS7 GTO would be priced at. Never said I'd buy one. Just said I'd be impressed w/ GM if they ever grew a sack and dared to be different. And no the GTO would not have Z06 performance. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A GARBAGE BARGE!

Once again, you're holding the GTO to a standard that your not holding your car to. Did GM dare to be different with the 4th gen?!? The Crapmaro was pretty much the same stinking pile of sh!t from 1982 to 2002. Wow! Notice how A LOT of parts will bolt right in a 3rd gen from a 4th? Ever heard the phrase about putting lipstick of a pig? In this case the motor was the lipstick.

Let's see... back 10 to 13 years ago what else was available with 275-285hp that was in the low 20's? What else was available 10 years ago with 305hp for around 30K? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING!

Let's See. It's 2006, what is available now with 400 horsepower, costs less than the GTO? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING! Don't forget this little economic "thing" called inflation when comparing prices of a new car from 1996 to 2006...

Here is a fun game (This only goes to 2005, so we can't get the actuals):
Go here:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Type in the cost of your car in 1996, and see what it would cost in 2005 dollars. I did it for $25,000 in 1996.
What cost $25000 in 1996 would cost $30345.60 in 2005.

Oh no... That LT1 Crapmaro doesn't seem like such a great deal when you compare apples to apples does it?

Better power to weight ratio... so a LS2 garbage barge with almost 100 more hp than my LT1 runs a couple tenths faster. I wonder which one uses their power more efficiently in straight line? Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. :rolleyes:

The fastest stock F-Body LT1 times are atleast .7 off the fastest LS2 GTO times I have personally seen or heard of. I guess if losing by the better part of a second isn't a lot, then I had the wrong impression of what an ass whipping was made of.

It is you who and others coming up with these retarded complex arguments trying to convince me to respect something I don't like. You like it? You want one? Good for you. I don't like it. Don't want one. Want to beat them in races. Good for me. It's just elementary, my dear Watson.

I never asked you to like one. I never asked you to buy one. I asked you to base your tirades on some real facts, not "I think" so therefore "It is." :thumb:

I guess I will drive the garbage barge to the gym. You have fun today in your Crapmaro. Do try to take the T-Tops off so your mullet can get some wind as you drive your Crapmaro.

You were so right, Name calling adds so much to the conversation, and relly helps drive your point home :rolleyes:

izzyz28

09-21-2006, 08:36 AM

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 04:41 PM

Calling a car stupid names is an awesome way to get your point across. I'll try it some in this post!

YOU ARE WRONG. The LS1 SS and WS6 cars were just as expensive in 2002 as the GTO is in 2006. Actually, once you start talking about a fully optioned Ram Air convertible the number goes well above the GTO's price which caps around $34,000.
Holy hell.... It's unbelievable how you can fabricate your own retarded arguments in some desperate attempt. This is like trying to make a 2nd grader understand.
I AM NOT WRONG. Where did I ever specify I was only talking about SLP cars? Please re-read. Perhaps you'll get it?
Once again, you're holding the GTO to a standard that your not holding your car to. Did GM dare to be different with the 4th gen?!? The Crapmaro was pretty much the same stinking pile of sh!t from 1982 to 2002. Wow! Notice how A LOT of parts will bolt right in a 3rd gen from a 4th? Ever heard the phrase about putting lipstick of a pig? In this case the motor was the lipstick.
LMAO pretty hypocritical considering you owned one and I'm sure are/were happy with it of the time you had it. As I said before. I could care less what you say about the 4th gen. It suits me fine for what it is.
Let's See. It's 2006, what is available now with 400 horsepower, costs less than the GTO? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING! Don't forget this little economic "thing" called inflation when comparing prices of a new car from 1996 to 2006...
That's fantastic. But you still don't get my point. You specifically asked me why I bought my car and I told you why. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's almost laughable how you are reading like a grade schooler.
You want to spend 30K on a garbage barge that doesn't make full use of its power and justify why it doesn't... that's absolutely okay. But you are not in the right forum to do so! LOL
Here is a fun game (This only goes to 2005, so we can't get the actuals):
Go here:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Type in the cost of your car in 1996, and see what it would cost in 2005 dollars. I did it for $25,000 in 1996.

Oh no... That LT1 Crapmaro doesn't seem like such a great deal when you compare apples to apples does it?

Interesting... :rolleyes: This is exactly why I stay away from such retarded arguments like this. I could really care less what you paid for your garbage barge. I've said that all along. These arguments are retarded. Sucks that your f-body was so expensive. Mine window stickered at $23,200. So if I didn't take it to SLP I'm sure I could've picked it up for less than that window stickered price. But really. WHO GIVES A RATS ASS! It's like yellavette... so after you get your ass cracked by a LT1 f-body and after you pick your jaw up off the ground, are you going to whine about how your car was such a swell deal?
AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHHHHAAHHAAHHAHAAA!! !
The fastest stock F-Body LT1 times are atleast .7 off the fastest LS2 GTO times I have personally seen or heard of. I guess if losing by the better part of a second isn't a lot, then I had the wrong impression of what an ass whipping was made of.
So these SS's I've told you about going low 13's along the eastern seaboard that means the GTO is in the mid to low 12's. WOW!!!! LMAO!
I guess what you see or hear should be considered the written word. :rolleyes:
I never asked you to like one. I never asked you to buy one. I asked you to base your tirades on some real facts, not "I think" so therefore "It is." :thumb:
In other words, "You can't have an opinion! You MUST like it because I have one! Sieg Heil!"
LAME! How long is it going to take to convince you that no matter how you try to twist your arguments it will not sway my opinion that the new garbage barge is nothing but a boring TURD!

I guess I will drive the garbage barge to the gym. You have fun today in your Crapmaro. Do try to take the T-Tops off so your mullet can get some wind as you drive your Crapmaro.
My crapmaro is a hard top. You go have a great work out. Remember to keep a full range of motion when lifting so when you bulk up you can still wipe your own ass.
You were so right, Name calling adds so much to the conversation, and relly helps drive your point home :rolleyes:
Awww don't be mad. Just get in your garbage barge and all your troubles will go away... that's until you get destroyed by a LT1 f-body at some point in time.
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe you just don't know how to work on your own car? And you were tired of getting beat by newer mustangs and every LS1 ever created? So you decided to splurge on the garbage barge and now all is right with your world? Sounds about right.

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 04:51 PM

Thanks Kris, you saved me a whole bunch of typing!

Alll right SS RRR, I'll end here for you. Hell, I'll agree with you. here it comes......THE GTO DOES NOT MAKE AS EFFICIENT USE OF ITS 400 HORSEPOWER AS A 4TH-GEN CAMARO DOES WITH IT'S 275 LT1-305 LS-1(way underrated) HORSEPOWER.

Er... if you or no one else cares then why was this even brought up? :rolleyes:
Seems as though this was brought up to because no one has anything else to use to counter my argument. It's my mistake for even indulging. Especially when I said from the very beginning I could care less about price/stock/stock/mod/mod arguments. Let the ricers make those excuses. You bought what you bought therefore you must deal with it when a 10y/o or more f-body cracks your ass.
It's just too bad that nobody but you seems to care. I'll take an inefficient GTO anyday over my rattletrap '95.
And that's absolutely fine! I'M HAPPY FOR YOU! GOOD SHOW ON THE PURCHASE OF YOUR GARBAGE BARGE!
If you are attempting to insinuate my car rattles it doesn't. I ordered it in hard top with that very thought in mind. ;)
Soooo... what else is on all y'all's minds to try and convince me the GTO is the most wonderful garbage barge on the face of the earth? :lol:

BTW... this thread should be locked since NONE of you can stay on topic. This is a TRACK KILLS FORUM. Not a, "THE GARBAGE BARGE IS NEAT AND COST EFFICIENT AND NOT BORING AND IF YOU HURT MY FEELINGS I WILL CONJURE ALL KINDS OF ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND AND THEN I'LL SPEW ON HOW THIS AGAIN IS THE MOST LOVELY AUTOMOBILE EVER CREATED SINCE GOD FARTED IN ITS GENERAL DIRECTION WHEN GM DECIDED TO CREATE IT. IF YOU TELL ME THE GARBAGE BARGE IS BORING I WILL THEN WHINE HOW IT IS SUCH A NEAT CAR TO DRIVE... ON THE STREET... IN A TRACK KILLS FORUM!
:lol:
You all fail.

korrrray34

09-21-2006, 05:15 PM

its extremely hard to beleive that a 10+ year old GM does not rattle. I dont care if its hardtop/no top or whatever. Turn the radio off and youll think there are monkeys screetching in the back.

Kris93/95Z28

09-21-2006, 07:00 PM

LMAO pretty hypocritical considering you owned one and I'm sure are/were happy with it of the time you had it.

The statements were sarcastic.

As I said before. I could care less what you say about the 4th gen. It suits me fine for what it is.

I suits you fine because that is all you can afford.

That's fantastic. But you still don't get my point. You specifically asked me why I bought my car and I told you why. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's almost laughable how you are reading like a grade schooler.
You want to spend 30K on a garbage barge that doesn't make full use of its power and justify why it doesn't... that's absolutely okay. But you are not in the right forum to do so! LOL

blah... more of the same.

Interesting... :rolleyes: This is exactly why I stay away from such retarded arguments like this. I could really care less what you paid for your garbage barge. I've said that all along. These arguments are retarded. Sucks that your f-body was so expensive. Mine window stickered at $23,200. So if I didn't take it to SLP I'm sure I could've picked it up for less than that window stickered price.

You stay away from arguments like this because they involve real factors, and actual numbers, not generalizations that involve no real proof to back up.

But really. WHO GIVES A RATS ASS!

Obviously, YOU do. You keep talking up your car, and using it as the measuring stick.

It's like yellavette... so after you get your ass cracked by a LT1 f-body and after you pick your jaw up off the ground, are you going to whine about how your car was such a swell deal?
AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHHHHAAHHAAHHAHAAA!! !

I honestly could care less if your car is faster. If I was to race a LT1 and lose, it wouldn't be the first time, nor would it be the last. I know a few people personally that own 10 second LT1s. I never said an LT1 couldn't be made fast.

The reason we keep coming bake to your car, is because You keep bringing it up.

So these SS's I've told you about going low 13's along the eastern seaboard that means the GTO is in the mid to low 12's. WOW!!!! LMAO!
I guess what you see or hear should be considered the written word. :rolleyes:

I specifically mentioned an LT1. So, please show me ONE stock LT1, down to the weight and tires, that is running low 13s.

In other words, "You can't have an opinion! You MUST like it because I have one! Sieg Heil!"
LAME! How long is it going to take to convince you that no matter how you try to twist your arguments it will not sway my opinion that the new garbage barge is nothing but a boring TURD!

More of the same, I'm lazy and I will quote myself:
I never asked you to like one. I never asked you to buy one. I asked you to base your tirades on some real facts, not "I think" so therefore "It is."

Awww don't be mad. Just get in your garbage barge and all your troubles will go away... that's until you get destroyed by a LT1 f-body at some point in time.
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Um... Okay?!?!? I really wouldn't care. It wouldn't be the first or last time it would have happened.

I know there will always be someone that owns a faster car. I didn't buy the cars to make 1/4 mile runs. I bought them to be daily driven and still quick enough should the need arise. I guess I am not like you, I don't live my life one 1/4 mile at a time :confused:

Maybe you just don't know how to work on your own car? And you were tired of getting beat by newer mustangs and every LS1 ever created?

Nope. I know how to work on my cars, and spent a lot of time turning a wrench on the 1993 Z28 I owned. I don't do much of it now, because I am not really to interested in making the GTO or Z28 much faster and since there both still covered under warranty I don't really care to do my own maintenance either. That's what I call working smarter, not harder. ;)

So you decided to splurge on the garbage barge and now all is right with your world? Sounds about right.

Nope, that's an incorrect assesment too. My world is fine. Things really are going well. I am 27 and happily married to my wife of 3 years. We travel a lot (In the last year we've spent a week on a cruise, a week in Florida, and we just came back from a week long trip in the US Virgin Islands. Would you like some pictures? ;) ). I have stuck with my New Year's resolution and got below my goal weight of 175 from 205 (I'm currently at 165). Also, we're planning on starting a family early next year.

I have a job I like. We both make more than enough. We have no credit debt. We will have our $150,000 house, and all cars paid for in the next 5 years.

Really, my world is fine. :D A 2004 GTO isn't what makes me smile when I get up :thumb: So, If I was to lose to an LT1 do you really think I would get that bent out of shape? If I cared, don't you think I wouldn't just redirect some cash from the house, cars, or travel to building a badass street machine? ;)

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 07:28 PM

its extremely hard to beleive that a 10+ year old GM does not rattle. I dont care if its hardtop/no top or whatever. Turn the radio off and youll think there are monkeys screetching in the back.
Speak for yourself. Perhaps the reason why mine doesn't rattle is because I've never taken it off any sweet jumps.

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 07:38 PM

Really, my world is fine. :D A 2004 GTO isn't what makes me smile when I get up :thumb: So, If I was to lose to an LT1 do you really think I would get that bent out of shape? If I cared, don't you think I wouldn't just redirect some cash from the house, cars, or travel to building a badass street machine? ;)
LMMFAO!!!
So you have to justify just how wonderful your life is in a track kills forum.
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHHHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHA!! !
There's no ego attached to your car now is there?
You are the best with that no credit car debt and that 150K house in Arkansas. Good for you! I'm happy you're happy! If you're happy driving a garbage barge then I'm happy for you. You have your reasons to praise a garbage barge and I have my reasons why I hate it. It's just that simple.
And please.. I've already been over this ET crap with yellavette. He shot himself in the foot when he supplied a link to some garbage barge ET's and for the mods they had they were running PATHETICALLY SLOW!
That's been the argument all along... IRS SUCKS for straight line and the GTO is shaped like a GARBAGE BARGE and damn near weighs as much. It's a shame you keep drifting off since you have no substance to your counterpoints. No matter what kind of "facts" I would bring up you'd still try to find some estrogen filled way to argue. It's over, Johnny. You and all the garbage barge buddies of this thread still have not convinced me to respect a garbage barge. :)

P.S. A perfect example as to why all of your arguments are completely retarded:
The reason we keep coming bake to your car, is because You keep bringing it up.

Let's talk about your car a bit more.

Kris93/95Z28

09-21-2006, 07:43 PM

LMMFAO!!!
So you have to justify just how wonderful your life is in a track kills forum. AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHHHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHA!! !
There's no ego attached to your car now is there?

Do you forget things this quickly?!?!?! Your memory must be pretty short:
So you decided to splurge on the garbage barge and now all is right with your world? Sounds about right.

If you don't recall, you're the one that just tried to insult me, and act like splurging on a GTO is what made my life peachy. I simply let you know that I could give a damn about the GTO, or another other car even if it is faster.

The rest of your BS post is more of the same, and I won't respond to it. ;)

Eric_96Z

09-21-2006, 08:04 PM

This thread has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read, its worse than little kids arguing.

yellavette

09-21-2006, 09:47 PM

Low 13's on a stock LT1? :bs: I've had four LT1 vettes. 2-300 lbs. lighter than the fbody with the same engine. Still not capable of low 13's.

Holy hell.... It's unbelievable how you can fabricate your own retarded arguments in some desperate attempt. This is like trying to make a 2nd grader understand.
I AM NOT WRONG. Where did I ever specify I was only talking about SLP cars? Please re-read. Perhaps you'll get it?

LMAO pretty hypocritical considering you owned one and I'm sure are/were happy with it of the time you had it. As I said before. I could care less what you say about the 4th gen. It suits me fine for what it is.

That's fantastic. But you still don't get my point. You specifically asked me why I bought my car and I told you why. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's almost laughable how you are reading like a grade schooler.
You want to spend 30K on a garbage barge that doesn't make full use of its power and justify why it doesn't... that's absolutely okay. But you are not in the right forum to do so! LOL

Interesting... :rolleyes: This is exactly why I stay away from such retarded arguments like this. I could really care less what you paid for your garbage barge. I've said that all along. These arguments are retarded. Sucks that your f-body was so expensive. Mine window stickered at $23,200. So if I didn't take it to SLP I'm sure I could've picked it up for less than that window stickered price. But really. WHO GIVES A RATS ASS! It's like yellavette... so after you get your ass cracked by a LT1 f-body and after you pick your jaw up off the ground, are you going to whine about how your car was such a swell deal?
AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHHHHAAHHAAHHAHAAA!! !

So these SS's I've told you about going low 13's along the eastern seaboard that means the GTO is in the mid to low 12's. WOW!!!! LMAO!
I guess what you see or hear should be considered the written word. :rolleyes:

In other words, "You can't have an opinion! You MUST like it because I have one! Sieg Heil!"
LAME! How long is it going to take to convince you that no matter how you try to twist your arguments it will not sway my opinion that the new garbage barge is nothing but a boring TURD!

My crapmaro is a hard top. You go have a great work out. Remember to keep a full range of motion when lifting so when you bulk up you can still wipe your own ass.

Awww don't be mad. Just get in your garbage barge and all your troubles will go away... that's until you get destroyed by a LT1 f-body at some point in time.
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe you just don't know how to work on your own car? And you were tired of getting beat by newer mustangs and every LS1 ever created? So you decided to splurge on the garbage barge and now all is right with your world? Sounds about right.

yellavette

09-21-2006, 09:52 PM

Uh, retard, the links I supplied were STOCK cars, not modded...LOL. Why do you lie? A lot of those cars ran high 12's. If that's pathetically slow, what's that make your 14 second lt1. And if IRS is so terrible, how can I run low 12's off bottle and high 11's on? I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching, but do you really think I could do better than 1.8x's on street tires? Have you ever done better with your LRA setup?

LMMFAO!!!
So you have to justify just how wonderful your life is in a track kills forum.
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHHHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHA!! !
There's no ego attached to your car now is there?
You are the best with that no credit car debt and that 150K house in Arkansas. Good for you! I'm happy you're happy! If you're happy driving a garbage barge then I'm happy for you. You have your reasons to praise a garbage barge and I have my reasons why I hate it. It's just that simple.
And please.. I've already been over this ET crap with yellavette. He shot himself in the foot when he supplied a link to some garbage barge ET's and for the mods they had they were running PATHETICALLY SLOW!
That's been the argument all along... IRS SUCKS for straight line and the GTO is shaped like a GARBAGE BARGE and damn near weighs as much. It's a shame you keep drifting off since you have no substance to your counterpoints. No matter what kind of "facts" I would bring up you'd still try to find some estrogen filled way to argue. It's over, Johnny. You and all the garbage barge buddies of this thread still have not convinced me to respect a garbage barge. :)

P.S. A perfect example as to why all of your arguments are completely retarded:

SS RRR

09-21-2006, 10:31 PM

Uh, retard, the links I supplied were STOCK cars, not modded...LOL. Why do you lie?
O'RLY?
Here's the link you supplied:
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22
Looks like an all out list to me! Why do YOU lie?
You told another member to go to LS2.com and look at those times:
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14617
He did and all of the sudden you change your tune and start in on blabbering on about stock performance. :rolleyes:
Those two links are perfect examples as to how the garbage barge does not make good use of its power.
A lot of those cars ran high 12's.
LS2gto.com there are 9 out of 13 cars in the low 13's. Who's lying again? :rolleyes:
If that's pathetically slow, what's that make your 14 second lt1.
Actually it's a 15 second LT1. Do your homework. :lol:
And if IRS is so terrible, how can I run low 12's off bottle and high 11's on?
Because of the power you have your times are weak and your shat is whackadoo!
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching,
Could you repeat that once again, please?
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching,
Wait... one more time...
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching,
You know.. I'm still not convinced you typed that... please repeat...
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching,
OH NOES!!!! YOU DID NOT SAY THAT! YOU DID............ NOT........ SAY.... THAT!!!
Geezus H. tapdancing tittybouncing cripes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS THREAD AND THE OTHER THREAD WERE ABOUT?
I repeated myself OVER AND OVER AND OVER TELLING YOU HOW WEAK IRS WAS IN STRAIGHT LINE PERFORMANCE AND YOU DID NOTHING BUT DIG YOURSELF IN A HOLE!!!
AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH AHA
What forum is this again? What have these two threads been about? I think you are smart enough to answer those two questions............................. right?
but do you really think I could do better than 1.8x's on street tires? Have you ever done better with your LRA setup?
NOPE... but I can put slicks on my turd and not have to worry about weakass half shafts breaking and hoping like a bunny when I launch and not have to splatter on a thousand excuses as to why my junk didn't run any better. :lol: !!!!!
Thank you yellavette for finally coming out of the closet and admitting what I've been saying all along. You have nothing else to add to this discussion so it'd probably be best for you to excuse yourself now and go sit in your 458rwhp impulse blue (sounds like a girly perfume) garbage barge and think of more excuses as to why you run such pathetic times.

Have a nice day. :)

HardcoreRM125

09-22-2006, 12:18 AM

Krys93/95Z28 ~ I gotta disagree with you on this one :

Once again, you're holding the GTO to a standard that your not holding your car to. Did GM dare to be different with the 4th gen?!? The Crapmaro was pretty much the same stinking pile of sh!t from 1982 to 2002. Wow! Notice how A LOT of parts will bolt right in a 3rd gen from a 4th? Ever heard the phrase about putting lipstick of a pig? In this case the motor was the lipstick.

The camaro was totally revamped in 1993. You'd be suprised how much stuff is NOT interchangable. You also are probably going to be surpised to hear that stinking **** pile third gen was one of the best handling uni-bodies ever built. 3rd gens got a bad rap because they were cheap, and cheap asshoels drive them into the ground. You would **** yourself if you knew the true potential of a 3rd gen in handling. They just never had enough motor behind them to make a name for them selves at the autocross track. And when they did, they came with a ****ty automatic, which, totally blows for auto-X. The few people at the time ( Late 80's early 90's) who caught on, did a manual trans swap, and went autocrossing, pretty much dominated in their classes.

SS RRR

09-22-2006, 01:07 AM

The camaro was totally revamped in 1993. You'd be suprised how much stuff is NOT interchangable. You also are probably going to be surpised to hear that stinking **** pile third gen was one of the best handling uni-bodies ever built. 3rd gens got a bad rap because they were cheap, and cheap asshoels drive them into the ground. You would **** yourself if you knew the true potential of a 3rd gen in handling. They just never had enough motor behind them to make a name for them selves at the autocross track. And when they did, they came with a ****ty automatic, which, totally blows for auto-X. The few people at the time ( Late 80's early 90's) who caught on, did a manual trans swap, and went autocrossing, pretty much dominated in their classes.

Good point... a friend of mine by the name of Mark Young won a handful of national solo II events in a T/A GTA back in the mid and late 90's.

Besides that he really doesn't feel that way. He's just trying to get people all fired up so he doesn't look like such a dufus making such a big deal over this. :lol:

Zeueses 97 RamAir

09-22-2006, 07:38 AM

all idiots idiots 10 pages is warmer and warmer im up 630 just to log on and see where its at. Who cares what the camaro and pontiac and the 3rd gen did new cars are coming out just like missles and airplanes and new starins of the flu:confused:

korrrray34

09-22-2006, 08:37 AM

izzyz28

09-22-2006, 08:47 AM

i read on a GTA site that the 3rd gen body could not handle the 240 hp 5.7l motor with T5 manual tranmission, it sais when they tested, T-tops were popping and some other stuff. So they only offered manual transmission with 305 motors. I dont know if it makes sense or not but thats what they say...

They didn't put the T5 behind the 5.7 because the engine exceeded the torque rating for the transmission. I believe the non-world-class T5's(as would be fitted in the F-body) were rated at only ~300 lb-ft. With more torque(than the 305) and and relatively heavy car, they weren't reliable. That is what I heard anyways. I know I certainly wouldn't want one in my car. I have see relatively stock cars split the case in half with a set of sticky tires and a decent launch.

yellavette

09-22-2006, 09:46 AM

I only gave 2 links EVER. One for stock ls1's and one for stock ls2's. Prove me wrong and link to my post.

Is there anyone else here willing to back up SSR in his belief that 12.44 off bottle and 11.89 on bottle on street tires is pathetic?? Anyone??

SSR, have YOU ever run better times in your car? I've asked you that before, but you avoid the question. We both trap 114 (without NOS). Can you beat 12.44? Seems that with my HUGE weight problem and my HUGE IRS problem, you should have me licked, right? I know you can't touch the 11.89 so I won't ask. But if you haven't beaten 12.44 by a pretty good margin, I think you should think twice about all the b.s you say and STFU!

O'RLY?
Here's the link you supplied:
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22
Looks like an all out list to me! Why do YOU lie?
You told another member to go to LS2.com and look at those times:
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14617
He did and all of the sudden you change your tune and start in on blabbering on about stock performance. :rolleyes:
Those two links are perfect examples as to how the garbage barge does not make good use of its power.

LS2gto.com there are 9 out of 13 cars in the low 13's. Who's lying again? :rolleyes:

Actually it's a 15 second LT1. Do your homework. :lol:

Because of the power you have your times are weak and your shat is whackadoo!

Could you repeat that once again, please?

Wait... one more time...

You know.. I'm still not convinced you typed that... please repeat...

OH NOES!!!! YOU DID NOT SAY THAT! YOU DID............ NOT........ SAY.... THAT!!!
Geezus H. tapdancing tittybouncing cripes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS THREAD AND THE OTHER THREAD WERE ABOUT?
I repeated myself OVER AND OVER AND OVER TELLING YOU HOW WEAK IRS WAS IN STRAIGHT LINE PERFORMANCE AND YOU DID NOTHING BUT DIG YOURSELF IN A HOLE!!!
AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH AHA
What forum is this again? What have these two threads been about? I think you are smart enough to answer those two questions............................. right?

NOPE... but I can put slicks on my turd and not have to worry about weakass half shafts breaking and hoping like a bunny when I launch and not have to splatter on a thousand excuses as to why my junk didn't run any better. :lol: !!!!!
Thank you yellavette for finally coming out of the closet and admitting what I've been saying all along. You have nothing else to add to this discussion so it'd probably be best for you to excuse yourself now and go sit in your 458rwhp impulse blue (sounds like a girly perfume) garbage barge and think of more excuses as to why you run such pathetic times.

Have a nice day. :)

SS RRR

09-22-2006, 02:31 PM

I only gave 2 links EVER. One for stock ls1's and one for stock ls2's. Prove me wrong and link to my post.
Still think it's a high 13 second car at best? SSR, howabout you....still a 14 second land barge??

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14617&highlight=fastest+stock

Not really wanting to find the other link that you allegedly supplied. This is all the proof I need that you've done nothing but flip flop this entire thread and the last.

Thanks
Is there anyone else here willing to back up SSR in his belief that 12.44 off bottle and 11.89 on bottle on street tires is pathetic?? Anyone??
Awww... the cry for help. :lol:
No one cares about this thread, son. Your pleas are futile!
SSR, have YOU ever run better times in your car? I've asked you that before, but you avoid the question. We both trap 114 (without NOS). Can you beat 12.44? Seems that with my HUGE weight problem and my HUGE IRS problem, you should have me licked, right? I know you can't touch the 11.89 so I won't ask. But if you haven't beaten 12.44 by a pretty good margin, I think you should think twice about all the b.s you say and STFU!
Yes I've ran better than a 12.44 @ 114.
You need not reply anymore:
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching...
For the above concurs what I've been saying all along. I appreciate the help. Would you like to repeat that?
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching...
Oh that's beautiful! Thanks again! What's that? You have something else to say?
I'm not saying it's better than LRA for launching...
Ah... you are so generous! Thanks again! Bye-bye! :lol: