97 z28 vs 97 cobra?

My friend wants to race his 1997 mustang cobra (manual and stock except for short shifter and exhausts) against me in my 97 30th anniversary z28 (a4 and stock except for exhaust and manual fan switch). So who has the edge here? I beat a newer roush mustang at the 1/8 mile strip by a few cars, but i dunno if he was just a bad driver...

My friend wants to race his 1997 mustang cobra (manual and stock except for short shifter and exhausts) against me in my 97 30th anniversary z28 (a4 and stock except for exhaust and manual fan switch). So who has the edge here? I beat a newer roush mustang at the 1/8 mile strip by a few cars, but i dunno if he was just a bad driver...

Your friend should already know that rick james never loses! :D

i was gonna buy a cobra like that but it didnt work out 2 years ago, but from what i remember they have 240 hp, so i think lt1s has more power. But again, im not sure.

I checked one time and I think the z28s do the 1/4 a few tenths quicker, but im not sure.

My friend wants to race his 1997 mustang cobra (manual and stock except for short shifter and exhausts) against me in my 97 30th anniversary z28 (a4 and stock except for exhaust and manual fan switch). So who has the edge here? I beat a newer roush mustang at the 1/8 mile strip by a few cars, but i dunno if he was just a bad driver...

Does the corba have full exhaust(ie headers, x or h-pipe, and a catback) or just a catback. Im sure your Z28 would win either way. My brother in law had a manual 1996 Cobra vert with an x-pipe, flowmasters and a few other things and ran a best of 9.2 in the 1/8th. I run a 8.9 in the 1/8th with all the mods in my sig. He sold it before i ever got to race him. So stock vs. stock, I think they run about the same.

Ehh I would say you as long as were assuming equal drivers.

Otherwise, he, or you, could put a real hurting on the one who cant drive.

Drivers race. Friends stock 96 was running 8.8's in the 1/8th when he learned to drive it properly (down from 10.1's) The 97's will put down about 260 or so to the wheels.

yaaa i raced my friends 98. both stock exsept for exaust in my 96 A4. I was also a conv though.

He put about 1.5 cars on my from 45 up to like 120

then from 70 to 110 it was bad.... top end those things got balls. he compleatly raped me. He was also a Manual though.

Dont underestimate those cars.

actually i was wrong, now that I looked at it cobras in 97 have 305 hp, so I think itll be pretty bad ass race.

cobra has the edge on this one. let us know how it goes.

No, it really doesnt.

MM&FF, a predominantly FORD magazine tested two cobras and come out with the following, with a PROFESSIONAL driver.

A 1997 with slicks, gears (3.73's), powershifted, and allowed to cool down between runs Detroit Dragway, by Pete Misisnkey or whatever his name is, and it ran 13.7 at like 103.

And right before that, the same guy got to drive a bone stock (3.23 geared) 97 Cobra that was powershifted, but was on street tires. It did a best of 14.1 @ 100.

If a 97 Z28, that is stock, cant do better than a 14.1, powershifted, it should be thrown off a cliff.

if the cobra was auto, i would say camaro all the way. but the manual cobras run pretty good. JMHO.
hopefully we find out the results

i didnt either, so cobra takes the win on this one

I still think its going to be down to drivers race ... You gotta race this guy and get it over with already, the drama is killing me.

If a 97 Z28, that is stock, cant do better than a 14.1, powershifted, it should be thrown off a cliff.
Please explain to me how he is going to powershift an auto?:p

.....ferd auto's are dogs anyway!

There are no 4R70W Cobras.

If the camaro was a 6spd it would probably win but with it being a auto if the cobra owner can drive the Z is gonna loose.

Haha sorry I missed that he was an auto. Even at that though, if you can launch the auto without issue, it hsould still be down to a dirvers race.

i raced a full exhaust 97 cobra(manual) in my 97 full exhaust/cai formula(auto) and pulled 1.5 cars from 15-60 and let off. im not seein a problem with you beatin one.

I had when I put my exhaust on my car he had all bolt ons and 4.10s I would walk him easy, third gear is there sweet spot on cobras.... and I had 342s... and he got the jump on me....

The thing with those cobras are stock they will run neck and neck with a lt1 but once modding begins the 4v will just flat out romp on the lt1 mod for mod. Cobras peak their hp at 6800 rpms aswell.

^Not until you do something with that ****ty intake manifold though.

Cobra will pull up top...not by much though

FYI....the 96-98 4V Cobra's peak HP was ~6100 rpm, not 6800. However, redline was several hundred rpm above that, so stock shift points with the T45 (stupid low 1st gear, big drop to 2nd) were around 7k,7k, and 6800.

For reference, my 98 went 13.6 @ 104 in showroom stock condition. Very good air, but no traction at all (2.18 60 ft, and horrible 1/2 spinning).

Equally modded....and LT1 will have its hands full with a 96-98 Cobra.

Good read, any news on what happened?

Nope, still haven't got a chance, but i'll let yall know what happens.

I don't see any reason why you wouldn't stomp on him. My car when it had only a blaster coil, and 160* T-stat took a 98 S281 by a fender and I've taken quite a few russtangs when I have a go, just catch him off the line and you got it.

I think you've got him. I raced a manual 98 Cobra with full exhaust, intake, and either 3.73 or 4.10 gears i cant remember for sure, in my 95 A4 Z28 with full exhaust and CAI with stock 3.23's, and from a 40 roll we were pretty much even until about 90 and then I started pulling on him pretty good

FYI....a 98 S281 is a 2V GT motor - much, much different than the 4V Cobra.

ok ok ok this is nuts you all are f body nuts but you tink this is true im telling you he didnt say 03-04 cobra im not saying its impossible but they will tell you a buddy of mine purchased a 97 cobra with 28,000 miles i spanked him by a car and half in my buddys 109,000 mile z28 i beat him 4 times in a row and hes a good drive the specs say that car runs 14's well if thats true they also say the 97 gt runs 14's so how is it a cobra with more hp runs the same times

those cobra's sound sweet with a x or h setup.

ok ok ok this is nuts you all are f body nuts but you tink this is true im telling you he didnt say 03-04 cobra im not saying its impossible but they will tell you a buddy of mine purchased a 97 cobra with 28,000 miles i spanked him by a car and half in my buddys 109,000 mile z28 i beat him 4 times in a row and hes a good drive the specs say that car runs 14's well if thats true they also say the 97 gt runs 14's so how is it a cobra with more hp runs the same times

Huh?

The 97 GT and the 97 Cobra do not run the same times, given equal drivers and equal conditions.

What "specs" are you referring to? Certainly many Cobra's run 14s (mostly low 14s), but are quite capable of running 13s. Some GTs run 14s (mostly high 14s, occasionally mid), but some can't get out of the low 15s. The point is that there is a significant difference between the two.

For reference, my bone stock 98 Cobra went 13.6 @ 104 mph. I'm a decent driver.

97-98 Cobra has a 4v 281ci 305 bhp Motor.......in 99-01 the Cobra got bumped up to 320 bhp

FYI....a 98 S281 is a 2V GT motor - much, much different than the 4V Cobra.

What!!!!....No its not dude.....I just purchased an SS but im a mustang guy...Ive always have had Mustangs, and some of the stuff you guys post is hilarious lol....The 97 Gts with there non-PI motors post High 14s if driven right but most are in the low 15s....the cars only put down 225 bhp and 170-180 rwhp....

Hello. Please tell me then - what motor did the 1998 S281 have? Please post your references.

I generally agree with you on 97 GT ETs - and won't argue the difference between a high 14 and a low 15.

And BTW...I don't consider myself an authority on Saleen's or other specialty Mustangs (not even close), but I have been around the Mustang scene just a bit myself for the last few years.

Bob

What!!!!....No its not dude.....I just purchased an SS but im a mustang guy...Ive always have had Mustangs, and some of the stuff you guys post is hilarious lol....The 97 Gts with there non-PI motors post High 14s if driven right but most are in the low 15s....the cars only put down 225 bhp and 170-180 rwhp....

First off you gotta realize...Just Who Bob is.
Do some research on him and the discussion at hand and you will find the following.
1. Bob knows what he is talking about
2. The S281 is a Saleen and it has a 2V GT Motor in it.
3. Your not as Mustang Savy as you thought you were...lol

Also to revert back to an earlier question from another member...
COBRAs from the first year made to the last one to roll off an assembly line were ALL Manual transmissions. No Auto Cobras were ever made.
That is unless SS02 is gonna tell us otherwise :p

What!!!!....No its not dude.....I just purchased an SS but im a mustang guy...Ive always have had Mustangs, and some of the stuff you guys post is hilarious lol....The 97 Gts with there non-PI motors post High 14s if driven right but most are in the low 15s....the cars only put down 225 bhp and 170-180 rwhp....

Yes, please continue to argue w/ Bob Cosby about Mustangs (especially when you're wrong) and imply he is a Chevy Fanboy. LOL, I haven't seen anyone put their own foot in their mouth this badly in ages.

Hello. Please tell me then - what motor did the 1998 S281 have? Please post your references.

I generally agree with you on 97 GT ETs - and won't argue the difference between a high 14 and a low 15.

And BTW...I don't consider myself an authority on Saleen's or other specialty Mustangs (not even close), but I have been around the Mustang scene just a bit myself for the last few years.

Bob

Sorry Bro...Feel like a dousch....I just realized that you put S281...for some crazy reason I though you were talking about the 98 Cobra and Gt having the same Engine....My bad.....( note to self..Read post over thoroughly before posting)

Dont worry bout it man:cool:

We all make mistakes. It takes a big guy to admit when he is wrong and we respect that.

the driver is 75% of the race. The car itself might be faster then yours, but the guy behind the wheel may not or vise versa. Only way to tell is to run him for fun. Always fun to run a camaro against a mustang....but from my personal experience, i did a run against a guy with a 97 5spd cobra with intake and exhaust, from a 40 roll to 120 and i managed to pull a bumper on him then shut down. They deff. got some nice low end torque

Sorry Bro...Feel like a dousch....I just realized that you put S281...for some crazy reason I though you were talking about the 98 Cobra and Gt having the same Engine....My bad.....( note to self..Read post over thoroughly before posting)

No problem. Thanks for the clarification.

Bob

a good running full exhaust/intake/other goodies LT1 M6 will put out 300rwhp give or take 5rwhp.

what would a 96-98 cobra do the same with those mods?

ps good thread :)

96-97 would definatly be playing catch-up.

A 98 is the 4V motor that, from what Ive seen, respond pretty well to bolt ons. These might give you more than a run for your money.

The Cobra depends heavily on the driver due to the lower torque at launch and the gearing. Driven correctly they can run very well. You have to keep the rpms up and slip the clutch. Best time for a 98 Cobra was Mike Smiths 13.08, 100% stock. In the hands of someone who hasn't had much time behind the wheel or a Cobra with clogged IMRC's and the times will be horrible.

I could have sworn that the 98's got the 4V motor? Maybe im wrong. I just know that the 98's werent slow. My friends Dad had one and it was pretty quick once it builds some RPM's ... Down low if wasnt great though.

96-98 GTs were 225 HP 2V motors.
96-98 Cobras were 305 HP 4V motors.

Bob

My bad then lol. I must have had the pre-96 cars in mind of something.

I know the 4V ones pulled pretty good up top, and they REALLY wind out.

It isn't hard to mix up 94/95 Mustangs with 96-98 Mustangs.

94/95 Mustang GTs had a215 HP 5.0.
94/95 Cobras had a 245 HP 5.0 (main difference was slightly revised heads and intake, but 5.0 Cobras had far more in common with 5.0 GTs than the 4.6 versions do).

Bob

The 4.6 Cobras that were talking about, doesnt the same company that casts Ferrari's blocks, cast theirs?

Them motors had a pretty nifty dual intake runner set-up too from what I remember seeing the one at work at the garage. For what they are, a 4.6 4V motor, they actually make nice low end TQ. They dont feel that far off from the 96 GT my one friend had. Then you hit about 5,000RPM's, and they really start screamin.

Not that we would ever take a customers car past 5,000RPM's or anything ...:D

Neat cars ...

well its been a few months, but we finally get to run one another at the local 1/8 mile track on sat! i should have pics and possibly even a few vids! ill post again on sat or sun

My 96 beats my wife's 97 Cobra in the 1/8....has a couple mph on it too....both are modded about the same.

Okay..........well who had who????

Sorry, I mean THIS saturday, the 27th.