Got killed by a 5.0

I just raced a 5.0 with slicks and 100 shot with my Z28 T56, I don't feel bad at all.........:D

He's running low 8's at our local 1/8 mile track, I lost by about three cars.

I'm sorry but I have to lock this thread. Rule #1, you CANNOT post that you lost to a Mustang on an Fbody board --- EVER.

i wouldnt feel bad after that either especially since it had slicks buuuuuuuutt you still did lose to a mustang lol :cool:

I'm taking it that he was otherwise stock or close to it?

i loose to 03 cobras all the time.....

then again, i was in the truck

I just raced a 5.0 with slicks and 100 shot with my Z28 T56, I don't feel bad at all.........:D

He's running low 8's at our local 1/8 mile track, I lost by about three cars.

Your car? Your mods?

Schmoke and-a pancake?

If it was a 5.0 its hard to tell what it ACTRULY was, I don't remember the last time I seen a 5.0 that was badass stock. Hell I don't remember the last stock 5.0 I saw. It could of been a 347(?) stroker its hard to tell.

I have to call :bs: camaros cant lose

No guys.......It's a friend of mine. He has all the mod's and now he's shooting 100 to it. The car runs low 8's at our local 1/8 mile track so it's really quick. I'm stock, all but the BFG Drags that I run. I told him to bring all he had so he bolted up the slicks and we raced on a local road. (lucky for him he didn't get caught):rolleyes:
He only beat me by 2 or 3 lenghts so I'm very proud of the old LT1.

I just raced a 5.0 with slicks and 100 shot with my Z28 T56, I don't feel bad at all.........:D

He's running low 8's at our local 1/8 mile track, I lost by about three cars.

mine with a 100 shot you think it would get high 7's lol.

No guys.......It's a friend of mine. He has all the mod's and now he's shooting 100 to it. The car runs low 8's at our local 1/8 mile track so it's really quick. I'm stock, all but the BFG Drags that I run. I told him to bring all he had so he bolted up the slicks and we raced on a local road. (lucky for him he didn't get caught):rolleyes:
He only beat me by 2 or 3 lenghts so I'm very proud of the old LT1.


low low 8's in the 1/8 is only a high 12 1/4 mile car. If I had to spray a 100 shot to run 12's I would kick my ass

It's funny, every time I see or hear of a stang running 12's it is a huge feat it seems? All the mods and 100 shot, I would be depressed if it took that much to crack 12's!

Maybe you should check out the mods Bob Cosby did to run 12's in his '88.;)

Maybe there are exceptions to the rule...;) Bob Cosby, and this is who???

Bob Cosby-NMRA stock eliminator champ back in 2004, moderator at the Corral and regular poster on this board. His '88 back in the day was running well into the 12's in the stock class. It took ridiculously little to make it run 12's.

Very surprising, those cars are dogs stock..............for the most part. I owned one and stock I ran what I thought was a pretty good 14.48 @ 95.5. That really surprises me considering they have a whopping 225hp, at best. He must of made that thing light a he!! and slicked it or something, that is just too rare.

Not to mention Bob really REALLY knows how to drive it and get every last bit of horsepower to stick to the track.

Wow, that's crazy. I just think it's almost against the law of rwhp vs weight vs 1320 ft in 12 sec or something, not that I don't believe it, I just don't understand how one guy driving a car with very little rwhp can change everything known to man about the basic 5.0 that's all! It's just strange when one guy can SMASH the best times most have seen with stock 5.0 (14.0-14.5 and traps of mid 90's ) by so much? I have seen poorly driven cars run crap times then someone who knows how too drive pull 1.0 sec off the time, but the better times are usually the average best times for the cars. Congrats to him. I could barely muster low 14's! ;)

Stock eliminator does not mean bone stock of course, but his supporting mod list was ridiculously little. I myself however have run a free mod AOD 2.73 geared car to 14.5's at 95. My 90 was quite a bit faster when I was through with it.

Bone stock 5.0's run mid 14's.You got to remember the last Fox body 5.0 was made 13 years ago. 5 years before there was a LS1 f-body. Its old tech now compared to the new cars now but back in the late 80's early ninties mustangs for the most part were the dominant late model car. Sure GN's and 'vettes were faster out of the box but you hardly ever ran into one of those.
Its was like what the LS1 F body is now.
Bob Cosby's car was set up for class racing. It may have a lot of stock parts and looked stock. But beleive me that car used every trick in the book to run that fast and still fit into the rules. I would'nt call the car "stock" by any means.
I know peole that run in NMRA factory stock. They run $2000 "stock unported gt-40 heads" fully blalanced and blue printed shortblocks, coated pistons and the whole nine yards.But it looks stock to the average guy.And they now run mid 11's at around 115mph .
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'88 Saleen- 310cid,Novi 2000, Dynamic C4
best et- 9.67
best mph- 146.17

'00 tans am- bolt on's and 315mm DR's

Howdy. Just as an FYI, my 88 Coupe first ran a 12.9 back in 1989 with a few bolt-ons, slicks, and 3.73 gears. In 1994, it went 12.52 stock from intake to oil pan (again external bolt-ons, gears, slicks). It made 237 RWHP and weighed ~3150 lbs raceweight at that time. It was my daily driver - legit street car with stereo, heater, power windows, etc. In fact, I'd often drive it to the track pulling a trailer behind it (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/mirpit.jpg) with all must race stuff. :)

I only ran the 88 in NMRA Factory Stock trim for a couple of races in 2003 just before I sold it. By that time, it was MUCH farther from "stock", though it fit the rules of the class.

Howdy. Just as an FYI, my 88 Coupe first ran a 12.9 back in 1989 with a few bolt-ons, slicks, and 3.73 gears. In 1994, it went 12.52 stock from intake to oil pan (again external bolt-ons, gears, slicks). It made 237 RWHP and weighed ~3150 lbs raceweight at that time. It was my daily driver - legit street car with stereo, heater, power windows, etc. In fact, I'd often drive it to the track pulling a trailer behind it (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/mirpit.jpg) with all must race stuff. :)

I only ran the 88 in NMRA Factory Stock trim for a couple of races in 2003 just before I sold it. By that time, it was MUCH farther from "stock", though it fit the rules of the class.
You've got some crazy legit secrets that the majority w/ stock 5.0's know nothing about since those ET's have never been mass produced.

No secrets at all. Everything I did to the car back then is shown on my old webpage (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/chrono.html). Others have done similar things, its just been so long ago that you don't hear about it much anymore.

Bob

No secrets at all. Everything I did to the car back then is shown on my old webpage (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/chrono.html). Others have done similar things, its just been so long ago that you don't hear about it much anymore.

Bob
Didn't hear/see others doing the same back then either... and that's when I was paying attention.

LOL. Ok. I have secrets (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/mmffsp90.jpg). They are the same ones that Tony Defeo had (Cars Illustrated, Spring 88), Al Renkel had (MM&FF, Spring of 97), Ed Hohenberg had, Ben Wiechert had (Ed many years earlier, but he and Ben were in this one (http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/mmffjy97.jpg)), and several others whose names escape me right now. We were all in cahoots to run 12's with bolt-ons and slicks.

Maybe you're weren't paying attention to the right things? And there are still some doing it today (reference the Drag Racing section of the Corral). It is not real common, but it is hardly unheard of, and there is no rocket-science to it.

Tell me...are you having trouble believing the 237 RWHP part, or the 12 second part? Or both?

Bob

Tell me...are you having trouble believing the 237 RWHP part, or the 12 second part? Or both?


Nope. I believe every bit of it. There's no magic to hp/weight ratio.

Pretty much both, I am that is! Not that I am calling you out or anything like that. I just find it really crazy that a little 5.0L can put those numbers to the wheels with minor mods when I think mine D'd at like 195 stock? Then the 12 sec passes are crazy at that weight and power ratio. What where your 60 times and traps? That's really impressive, wish I could of seen it! Later man!
I don't mind being called out on this topic - isn't the first time. :)

I have no idea what my car made stock, as there was no such thing as a chassis dyno in 1988. I suspect it was probably ~195, as yours was. Adding ~40 RWHP in bolt-ons isn't really a big deal for just about any V8. Open up the exhaust, tune it, open up the intake tract a little, decrease parasitic loss. It all adds up, especially the little things.

Incrementals, 60 fts, etc can be found in the link to my old webpage from a few posts ago. Here's my best ever "stock internal" pass:

http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/images/12_52.JPG

And there certainly isn't any magic to it at all. Correct gearing, aggressive driving, good air, and a good track can make a huge difference in both ET and MPH (most especially ET).

Bob

Pretty much both, I am that is! Not that I am calling you out or anything like that. I just find it really crazy that a little 5.0L can put those numbers to the wheels with minor mods when I think mine D'd at like 195 stock? Then the 12 sec passes are crazy at that weight and power ratio. What where your 60 times and traps? That's really impressive, wish I could of seen it! Later man!

Bob Cosby in the Mustang world is one of the names you put in the same class as Evan Smith. People have been seeing too many ragged out 5.0's, burned out AOD cars and 16 year olds who could not drive their way out of a paper bag.
I properly tuned and free modded a kids AOD notch back in 1999 and it went from running 16.2's and 16.3's at 88 with him in it to running 14.5's at 95 with me in it. The car was an oil burning 130,000 mile 2.73 geared POS.

No sweat on my part SS - I enjoy the friendly banter. :) It really is a matter of well-placed mods, hard driving, and good conditions. I used to take pride in running as low an ET as possible with a correspondingly low MPH. Just one of those things. And believe me - there are others that have done similar things or better.

I do 100% agree with you though that the vast majority of "street" 5.0s are running 14's or slower.

BTW....are you USMC or former USMC?

Bob

Those are some great times Bob.Making the most out of your hp is what drag racing is all about. I needed heads,cam and intake for me to run 12.5's in a '89 steeda that I used to own.

Didn't hear/see others doing the same back then either... and that's when I was paying attention.


I'm sorry but, if you were "paying attention" then you must have been part of the slow class - Bob Cosby's "secrets" have been well known and published for quite a bit of time.

As you have pointed out - it's simple power to weight ratio that gets the 'Stangs moving.

I'm sorry but, if you were "paying attention" then you must have been part of the slow class - Bob Cosby's "secrets" have been well known and published for quite a bit of time.

As you have pointed out - it's simple power to weight ratio that gets the 'Stangs moving.
Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think I could've lived another day w/out your late input!
What I mean by "paying attention" is the interweb. I don't ever recall the information being readily available on the web at that point in time. And, believe it or not... I was actually considered "fast" at that point in time. Not no more though!

Your welcome

I don't remember the information on the interweb back then either - but then again - the interweb wasn't readily available to the public back then either so...... we had to rely on magazine articles - Cosby ruled the Ford mags back then.

My 'Stang (an 86) only ran 13.8's back in '91 but it was still "quick"

My how time flies.

Your welcome

I don't remember the information on the interweb back then either - but then again - the interweb wasn't readily available to the public back then either so...... we had to rely on magazine articles - Cosby ruled the Ford mags back then.

My 'Stang (an 86) only ran 13.8's back in '91 but it was still "quick"

My how time flies.
My apologies for being unclear. I meant to say the info was not readily available on the net at the time I was paying attention to the internet some time ago.
Congrats on the high 13's in the early 90's! That's fantastically awesome!

Hi Bob. :)

FWIW, my heavy ass 5.0 ran a blistering 15.2 @ 92ish back in 1995. With gears, exhaust & intake it went 14.7 (woo hoo!)

However, my last trip to the track, it went 7.44 @ 104.X (1/8 mile) in blistering heat/humidity spinning pretty much the whole way. :D

Just gotta say it, Les Claypool is god