As of 8-26-06 the "Classifieds" section will be closed...old system returning!

For the past 4 months or so, we were trying a new Classifieds system here. As much as it was a benefit, many people didn't seem to grasp the extra features or just overlooked how to make the most out of the system.

After reviewing many people's concerns and thoughts about the new system, we have decided that it would be best for if we closed it and went back to the old tried and true Marketplace forums for people to buy and sell items on.

The old Marketplace forums will re-open and the Classifeds system will be closed to new ad entries, however people will still be able to reply to all Classifieds system ads placed for the next 30 days.

Link to Marketplace Forums (http://web.camaross.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=54)

We will be making this change today (8-26-06).

It was worth a shot, and we thank everyone for their constructive crisicism and thoughts.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here.

how do i get to my classified auctions. they ended yesterday and i don't know who won.

Right here:

http://web.camaross.com/classifieds/

thank you sir

Great! The old Marketplace was much easier to deal with and I seemed to get alot more responses when selling something..:thumb:

Great! The old Marketplace was much easier to deal with and I seemed to get alot more responses when selling something..:thumb:
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I'm gonna have to disagree. I really liked the new Classified section compared to the old one that is back. It was MUCH more organized, and easier to find what you were looking for, not to mention easier to add pictures with. For those that complained about it taking too much time to sort through a few categories to find what you were looking for; How much time is it going to take you now that you have to look through 53,000 adds 1 by 1?

Mr. Debbler, is there anyway we could get the New Classified section back? Or were there really that many people on this board that dissagree with me and wanted the OLD style Classified section back? If nothing else is there a chance you could combine both styles so when you post a for sale thread it would go on a mass list, AND an organized section as well?

I'm gonna have to disagree. I really liked the new Classified section compared to the old one that is back.

For those who didn't see it, I am going to post the exact same answer I gave here:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468581


Did you (guys) vote in this poll?
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459822

You (both) are of very few who liked the Classified's system. Most complained that it was too hard to find things because the categories were too broken down, see other threads in (the suggestion) forum.

On top of that...

- Very few people actually used the feedback system even though people cried about not having one for years. :confused:
- Sellers wouldn't click the SOLD link in their listing which ended it, and then asked us to make it so people stopped asking if the item was still for sale. :confused:
- The system didn't completely integrate with the board, and that also made things even more confusing.
- The system allowed people other than members of the board to contact seller via e-mail while still protecting the sellers personal info. This was a neat idea until a Nigerian scammer flooded every seller with e-mail attempts to scam them out of money. People then asked us to make it stop. How can we stop one person from e-mailing someone else? More complaints ensued...directed at US. :confused: Some people were too gullible to not wonder it it was "legit" and others were too stupid to just delete the e-mail. The replies playing the the scammers only let them know people were actually getting their scam spams, and they continued. I hope playing with the scammers was worth it.
- The system also had bugs that made things just not work right in some cases.

I could go on, but I am sure you get the point.

Overall the cons outweighed the pros. We asked everyone for their opinion (link above) and we read every opinion very carefully, both good and bad.

We are still open to suggestion on what we are now using (the original system). We don't have any plans to go back to the Classified's system.

BTW...it is DeBler. :)

I for one am glad of this change. I hope the member feedback section will be brought back too. I had a rotten experience with WINNING an auction, and then having the 19 (or 17) year old seller claim he "didn't know what he was doing" when posting an auction.
Auction style sales only work if there is some way to enforce the completion of sale on a winning bid. An auction the seller (or buyer) can simply back out of isn't an auction, it's a test of market interest.

Lets have the old setup, but we need the section that lets members give details on shady, lowlife, loser dealings so that seller (or buyer) gets run out of this forum to try their BS elsewhere.

Lets have the old setup, but we need the section that lets members give details on shady, lowlife, loser dealings so that seller (or buyer) gets run out of this forum to try their BS elsewhere.

Look closer. (http://web.camaross.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=54)

SWEEET...thanks guys!

personaly I liked the new system. It had a few bugs but I am sure they would have been worked out for everyone. The biggest problem with it was that fact that the traffic on it went to nothing. It just seemed that everyone stopped looing because they couldnt figure out the new system.

It had a lot of great features including feedback but no one was using its features.

I wont mind the old fourms back but I will miss the ability to post a pic

If I could make a suggestion it would be to allow the person who posted something for sale to post a pic. I really liked that feature of the new system but I dont think its possible with this old stuff.

If I could make a suggestion it would be to allow the person who posted something for sale to post a pic. I really liked that feature of the new system but I dont think its possible with this old stuff.

Pic posting is still allowed in the Marketplace forums.

Pic posting is still allowed in the Marketplace forums.


yeah but you have to have a link to an pic hosted somewhere else.

I'm talking about a guy like me who doesn't have a website or anything to host pics. With the old new fourm;) you could attach a pic when you made the post. But the new old fourm;) you have to have a link to a pic hosted elsewhere.

yeah but you have to have a link to an pic hosted somewhere else.

I'm talking about a guy like me who doesn't have a website or anything to host pics. With the old new fourm;) you could attach a pic when you made the post. But the new old fourm;) you have to have a link to a pic hosted elsewhere.

I get it now. But once again, it was a feature that didn't often get used. I would say that it got used 20-30% of the time if that.

There's TONS of free and easy photo hosts out there. Imageshack, Photobucket, etc. that everyone can use. Not to mention free web space (including CZ28 web hosting) as well.

I'm not a computer guy, I'm a car guy. I had a hard time using the new system so I just abandoned it altogether. I'm glad the old system is back.

thank you thank you thank you!

:D

I wasn't too thrilled about the new system, but I'm sure we could've worked it out.

The "old" system is fine by me, though. And thanks for bringing in a feedback section.

Thanks for all the hard work you do Jason! :thumb:

The new classified section rocked. This old system sucks. Much like carburators, they were replaced with new school fuel injection. No new car is made with a carburator for the general public! There is a reason for this. For those of those ignorant people who couldnt figure out the new system, package up your computer and send it back to the manufacturer because you are too damn stupid to use it! God I hate how a few ignorant people wreck a good thing for everyone!
I thought the new system we have been using for the last couple months was absolutley perfect. It was way better than the other sites, and I could find everything very quick. Now it takes a year of looking through everything... very wasteful of time. I doubt I will buy anything off this board anymore, it seems to not want to change with the times. :(

The new classified section rocked. This old system sucks.

Sorry, buddy. Did you make this opinion known when we asked for it here?
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459822
We put a a link to this at the top of the Classifieds for a month, as well as in the Lounge. If you didn't put in your two bits then, why do it now? :confused:

Sorry, buddy. Did you make this opinion known when we asked for it here?
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459822
We put a a link to this at the top of the Classifieds for a month, as well as in the Lounge. If you didn't put in your two bits then, why do it now? :confused:
I honestly never saw it. I dont spend huge amounts of time on here, as life gets in the way of internet time. I usually just get on, go right where I need to, and then im off. It sucks, but I have to in order to get everything done. I wish life would slow down some, but I doubt that will ever happen. Retired people have it made, except for all the pain. LOL.

thanks. reallllly preferred the old forum-based system.

Sorry to see this. The classifieds section was a feature that made this forum better than most others.

If you wanted feedback maybe you should have sent a message to all users asking for it. Those of us who were happy with the system weren't looking around to find a place to post about it. Probably you were hearing complaints from a vocal minority.

Hmm. Looking at the above-referenced poll, 34% of voters asked for the old system back.

55% either loved the classifieds or liked it but wanted a few changes.

Sorry to see this. The classifieds section was a feature that made this forum better than most others.

Who comes to this forum ONLY to buy and sell things?

If you wanted feedback maybe you should have sent a message to all users asking for it. Those of us who were happy with the system weren't looking around to find a place to post about it. Probably you were hearing complaints from a vocal minority.

With a message box at the top of the Classifieds, a sticky thread in the Lounge and a Sticky thread in the Suggestion box, people didn't have to look far.

See the discontinuation message here?
http://web.camaross.com/classifieds/

That is where the link was asking people for their opinion. If they didn't care at the time to offer their input, there is no way they would answer an e-mail.

55% either loved the classifieds or liked it but wanted a few changes.

We were asking people what they thought of the system as it stood at the time. A lot of the changes people wanted were problems that were not fixable. Too many bugs and integartion problems.

Not to mention the facts I mentioned in my previous post that were above and beyond opinion.

And as I also mentioned, we are still open to suggestion on what we are now using (the original system). Sorry, we don't have any plans to go back to the Classified's system.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks :bow:

See the discontonuation message here?
http://web.camaross.com/classifieds/

That is where the link was asking people for their opinion. If they didn't care at the time to offer their input, there is no way they would answer an e-mail.


I am one of the people who you are claiming to know would not have responded. I never saw any of the notices, and I would have responded to an email notification.

There is no "didn't care" involved. There is the simple fact that the more effort required of respondents in any poll, then the larger the bias towards fanatical responses. In this case, you will get an overwhelming bias towards people who hate the system.

Combine this bias with the fact that the poll results were actually overwhelmingly in favor of the classifieds, and you cannot reasonably claim to have made the change because it's what people wanted.


Sorry, we don't have any plans to go back to the Classified's system.

That's fine. It's your site. I'm just pointing out that your claim that it's what the users wanted is probably false, and your statements that people who liked it should have spoken up before and should shut up now is unreasonable.

If you feel that the classifieds was a PITA to administer, that's a good enough reason to change it.

But a lot of people liked it. I saw a few posts on corvetteforum that said - "Hey, why can't we have a classifieds system like on camaroz28?"

Regardless, thanks for making the effort to try something new. In general this site is very well administered, and that's why I hang around here.

I love you guys. I love this place. Man I missed the old setup. Did I ever mention I hated the new setup :D

Regardless, thanks for making the effort to try something new. In general this site is very well administered, and that's why I hang around here.

Sorry that you don't agree with things, buddy. We did our best and will continue to do so. We didn't want to make the change either after the money we spent on it and the BIG amount of time we had into it, but as I mentioned before the overall cons outweighed the pros. I think the biggest issue other than the feedback we received is that it was buggy and only integrated with the board halfway. It had nice features but also left a lot of be desired.

This isnt the first place I've seen make the change and then go back.

Corral.net comes to mind.

Jason, if you're looking for an easy trader rating system, you might want to check theirs out. quite simple and easy to use. works well with the old-style classified system.

Just a friendly FYI. CZ28 ftw!

i liked the classified section better. if i wanted to search for car audio stuff, it was right there. i didn't have to search through tons of engine parts, etc.. to find one or two items.

thhe old parts for sale forum is back. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah..

the "new" classifieds were horrible imo.

:D